Hustlers Gamblers Crooks Season 2 Episode 3

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00:00The gentleman at the bar winds up pushing my boss.

00:03I saw Ray.

00:05I went over there and I started smashing this guy.

00:10My boss came to me and said,

00:12what the f*** did you just do, kid?

00:14What I didn't know was that guy was my boss's boss

00:17because you f***ed up.

00:18One wrong move and your body could be found

00:20in the trunk of a car.

00:23I stole almost $400,000

00:26from the dirty company that I worked for.

00:30As soon as I seen those cherries behind me,

00:32I took off.

00:33There was only one thing left to do,

00:35to jump out the car.

00:40When it came to cocaine,

00:41I owned the nightclub scene.

00:45If you're not going to give me a raise,

00:47I'm going to take my own raise.

00:53I'd escaped the police so many times,

00:55they nicknamed me Spider-Man.

00:56I was selling out of the pizzeria.

01:00You're either coming in for a pizza

01:02or you're coming in there for cocaine

01:03or you're coming in there for both.

01:14My name is Rick Koenig,

01:15and I sold over a half a million dollars worth of cocaine

01:18with my father out of our family's pizzeria.

01:20My father owned Rick's Pizza.

01:28My father's name is Rick also.

01:30He's senior, I'm junior.

01:31In the 70s and 80s,

01:33you wouldn't buy a pizza off of a German person

01:35or an Irish person.

01:36You had to be Italian.

01:38But my last name, Koenig,

01:40it's a German last name.

01:42So he would tell me,

01:43if anybody asks you what your last name is, kid,

01:45you tell them, pizzeria.

01:47You see the name Rick's Pizza, P-I-Z-Z-A.

01:55My father would work 80 to 100 hours a week.

01:59Growing up, I rarely saw my father.

02:01I mean, basically he wasn't around.

02:03He worked six days a week.

02:05When Sunday came, I was attached to his hip.

02:08He was my Superman.

02:09He was the definition of a real man.

02:11He was a provider.

02:12But as a kid, I miss my father a lot.

02:17Anytime I got into trouble,

02:19I had to work at the pizzeria for free.

02:22From the time I got in there until I left,

02:25he had me doing something.

02:26My father put me to work, man.

02:32Strictly takeout.

02:33But he did have tables in there for, you know,

02:35the wise guys that would come in.

02:36I had more uncles than anybody probably in the country,

02:40in the world.

02:40But obviously, they were not my biological uncles.

02:44It was just like, you know, Uncle Vito, Uncle Ralph,

02:46Uncle Dominic.

02:47And they were connecting.

02:51These guys were coming out in designer Italian suits,

02:55the best shoes, the Rolex watches.

02:58Everybody had a Cadillac or a Lincoln brand new.

03:02I mean, you're talking about Hollywood status.

03:04They were celebrities.

03:06You know, they were treated like kings.

03:08And, I mean, you know, you're a kid.

03:10And these are my uncles.

03:12I was going to make something out of my life.

03:14I was driven to that lifestyle, you know, growing up.

03:17I didn't have to watch The Godfather.

03:19I was living it.

03:20And there was just always a constant flow of action

03:24coming through the pizzeria.

03:27My father was a loan shark,

03:28so he would lend out money to individuals.

03:31He had somebody that was an enforcer

03:33that would collect money from those individuals

03:35that owed money.

03:36And his enforcer ran security at a lot of the nightclubs.

03:40He knew my reputation.

03:41He knew that I could fight.

03:42I could handle my own.

03:45So at the age of 18,

03:46he gave me an opportunity to work as a bouncer

03:48at one of the nightclubs in Philadelphia,

03:51which was owned by a mobster.

03:54Your life is on the line every single night

03:56that you're working at facilities

03:58that are run by the mob.

03:59In the late 80s, early 90s,

04:01it was warfare.

04:03You had people that were fighting for territory,

04:05and there were a lot of casualties.

04:08If anybody came close to my boss,

04:11I had to jump in.

04:12My eyes were always on him

04:14because you never knew what was going to happen.

04:16There was a few incidents where I had to step in,

04:18and I was very fortunate that I'm alive.

04:25Anybody that was going to get close to my boss

04:27was going to feel it.

04:28And I saw him getting into an altercation

04:30with this gentleman at the bar,

04:32and the gentleman at the bar winds up pushing my boss.

04:37I saw Ray.

04:38I went over there and I started smashing this guy,

04:41and I'm talking about smashing him.

04:42I'm dragging him out, and at that time,

04:51my boss came to me and said,

04:53what the f*** did you just do, kid?

04:55I said, what do you mean, what did I just do?

04:56I said, I'm doing my job.

04:58I'm protecting you.

04:58He goes, not him.

04:59What I didn't know was that guy was my boss's boss.

05:04He's allowed to push me.

05:05He's allowed to spit on me.

05:06He can call my mother a whore because you're f***ed up.

05:09I got snuck out the back door,

05:11and I never went back to that establishment to work.

05:16I needed a new way to make money.

05:18Every night that I was working in the nightclub,

05:21there was thousands of dollars of cocaine

05:23going through that club.

05:25I saw an opportunity to make a lot more money

05:28than just being a bouncer.

05:33I was fortunate and unfortunate, I guess,

05:36to have the connections to make that start happening.

05:39My workout partner was an enforcer

05:42for a drug kingpin at a Camden,

05:44so that was my in right there.

05:46So obviously, I went to this individual,

05:47and then I started to comp half ounce,

05:50an ounce, two ounces of cocaine.

05:54With cutting it, stomping on it,

05:56I could quadruple my money easily.

05:58I started to sell it out to the other clubs.

06:01Sometimes it was the same club every single night.

06:03Sometimes it was different.

06:04I went to the strip clubs.

06:06You know what I mean?

06:06I had dancers hustling my product,

06:09and that was every single night, seven days a week.

06:12But that's all I did was hustle.

06:14In the average week,

06:15I was making anywhere from $10,000 to $20,000

06:17easily in small bags, 20s and 40s.

06:21When it came to cocaine,

06:23I owned the Philadelphia South Jersey nightclub scene.

06:27But while my business was booming,

06:32my dad's business was struggling.

06:36My father owning the pizzerias,

06:38you know, there was a code of ethics

06:40where another pizzeria wouldn't open up

06:42at least 15 miles to the next.

06:45Okay, now you have these chains

06:46like Domino's, Pizza Hut, Papa John's.

06:50They would open up right next door to you

06:51across the street.

06:52The business my dad worked his whole life for

06:55was going out of business.

06:57My father got rid of the townhouse that he had,

07:01and we moved right upstairs from the pizzeria.

07:04We needed money, and we needed it fast.

07:07I wanted to help my father out.

07:09I had a relative that approached me

07:12and said, hey, listen,

07:13I'm able to get massive amounts of cocaine

07:16that hasn't been seen in decades

07:19at a very, very low price,

07:22if you're interested.

07:24And I jumped on it.

07:26My family member's job

07:27was to incinerate cocaine

07:29that was seized by law enforcement.

07:31The cocaine that I was buying off of him

07:33was seized probably 20 years previous,

07:36and this was prime stuff.

07:38And he's selling it back to me

07:40for a fraction of the price.

07:41I actually had a guy who was a made man,

07:44and his uncle did a bump of the **** that I had.

07:47And he said, you know what?

07:48I could swear this is mine

07:49because it's just as good

07:51or better than what I had back in the 70s.

07:55I learned from my uncles early

07:57that if you were going to run an illegal business,

07:59you needed a front.

08:01Rick's Pizza was the perfect front

08:03in all-cash business.

08:06So I convinced my dad

08:08the quickest way to save our pizzeria

08:10was to team up, sell cocaine,

08:13and that's what we did.

08:16They would call in,

08:17and they would ask, you know,

08:18if they wanted half pepperoni.

08:20That meant they wanted a half ounce.

08:23They said all pepperoni.

08:25That was a full ounce.

08:26They said quarter.

08:28That means that was a quarter ounce.

08:29Okay?

08:30And that's what I put in those pizza boxes,

08:32and that's what they were leaving with.

08:35So it became a system that I used

08:37that worked out great.

08:39I mean, people were coming in

08:41for one or two different reasons.

08:42You're either coming in for a pizza,

08:44or you're coming in there for cocaine,

08:45or you're coming in there for both.

08:48And we never confused the two.

08:49So no one actually got a pizza

08:51and left with some cocaine

08:52that wasn't supposed to have it.

08:53At 19, I'm making over 50 grand a week,

09:04and I'm like the guys

09:05that I worshipped when I was a kid.

09:07I'm buying that designer Italian suit.

09:10I'm buying that Rolex.

09:11I'm going to Atlantic City.

09:13You know, we got bottles of Dom Perignon

09:15with straws in it walking around nightclubs

09:17like it's New Jack City.

09:19I'm making the money,

09:20and I'm spending it at the same time.

09:23Whoa!

09:29My old man wasn't about to flash.

09:30He was about to catch.

09:31He knew how to save money.

09:33He knew where to hide money.

09:35I did not have a problem with him

09:37keeping track of everything that was going on.

09:39I mean, my father was breaking up the bricks.

09:42Some of the was like as hard as rocks.

09:45I used to tell him, wear a mask.

09:47He said to me he was wondering

09:48why he was getting dizzy.

09:50All right, well, no, Sherlock.

09:51You're breathing in the coke, all right?

09:55Working side by side with my father

09:57was probably my fondest memories.

09:59Everything was working out great.

10:01I mean, life was good.

10:04One day that I finished my shift,

10:06I went to the supermarket,

10:07and as soon as I pulled into the driveway,

10:10I looked upstairs where the kitchen was,

10:13and there was a door that was open.

10:17And I have OCD.

10:19And I'm like, why is that door open?

10:22Which then, at that point in time,

10:24I knew something was going on.

10:25What went through my head at that moment is,

10:27the party's over.

10:33As soon as I opened up my car door,

10:36it came on me.

10:38I heard voices say,

10:40hit the ground now!

10:42Sure enough, I hit the ground,

10:45and as I peeked up,

10:46I saw about five guns pointed at my head,

10:49and they met business.

10:50You're at 25.

10:51What's going on tonight?

10:53My father and I had a language.

10:55We had to look.

10:56My father looked straight through me

10:59and said, do not say a word.

11:02First thing that went through my head

11:03was somebody ratted us out.

11:08My father had a friend, Larry,

11:10and Larry always rubbed me the wrong way.

11:12He asked too many questions.

11:15So sure enough,

11:16the guy that I felt uncomfortable with

11:18was the guy that set us up.

11:20Larry wore a wire and snitched us out.

11:23And they went ransacking

11:26the whole apartment upstairs,

11:27went down to the pizzeria,

11:29tearing it apart.

11:30They knew there was supposed to be

11:32some drugs there,

11:33and they didn't find it,

11:35and they were pissed.

11:36I felt extremely guilty

11:38on the way to jail.

11:45Everything that my father worked for

11:47his whole life

11:48was destroyed right in front of him.

11:50It broke my heart.

11:53My father and I needed money for bail,

11:58and we needed money for our attorney.

12:00So we're now in the county jail.

12:02My father says, well, listen,

12:03I don't know what they took,

12:05but we have a bunch of money

12:07in this one spot.

12:09You got to make a phone call,

12:11and you got to get somebody

12:11to break in there and get it.

12:13The only person I knew

12:14at that point in time

12:15that I could trust

12:16was my ex-girlfriend,

12:18because she goes,

12:18you're a piece of shit.

12:19And she goes, but I love your father.

12:22So for your father, yes.

12:24For you, fuck you.

12:28She waits till it's dark,

12:29and then she smashes

12:30the back window.

12:33She went to the back room.

12:35She had to open up

12:36the floorboards.

12:37My father had an underground safe.

12:39When she opened up the safe,

12:42she wanted to f*** herself.

12:44She never saw that much money

12:45in her life.

12:47There was over $100,000 in cash.

12:49That money that she found

12:51was strictly meant for the attorney.

12:53If we didn't have that money

12:54hidden in the pizzeria,

12:56we would have been f***ed.

12:57We would have been in jail

12:58for a lot longer.

12:59They called us with a scale.

13:01They called us with cutting agents.

13:02Our charges was possession,

13:05the intent to distribute

13:06and manufacture.

13:07My father and I were both

13:09sentenced to 20 years in prison.

13:13Selling coke out of the pizzeria

13:15with my dad was the glory days.

13:17But again, the number one rule

13:19to selling drugs is

13:21don't do the crime

13:22if you can't do the time.

13:25Ultimately, I wound up

13:27serving my five years.

13:29My father served seven years.

13:31We served our prison terms

13:33side by side,

13:34which was kind of cool.

13:37At that time,

13:38we were the only father and son team

13:40to ever go through

13:41the penitentiaries together.

13:43Even in a bad situation,

13:45we turned it into a good situation.

13:48We did our time.

13:49Our time didn't do us.

13:51And it might sound weird,

13:54but we basically enjoyed

13:55every day we had together.

13:57And I guess in one way,

13:58we were forced to become close.

14:00My name is Marcy Marie,

14:06and I stole almost $400,000

14:09from the dirty company

14:10that I worked for.

14:17I'm from Texas.

14:19My parents are self-proclaimed hippies.

14:22Growing up,

14:23they taught me to question everything,

14:26question things politically.

14:28They gave me kind of this disrupter

14:31kind of attitude.

14:33I met Josh when I was in the 10th grade,

14:36and by the 11th grade,

14:38I was pregnant with my son.

14:42We were too young.

14:43We were too young.

14:44What were we...

14:45We don't know.

14:46I don't know what we were doing.

14:48I ended up getting pregnant again.

14:50By the time I was 20,

14:51I had three babies.

14:52But also,

14:54we knew that we had grown apart,

14:55that we had grown up,

14:56and we weren't in love anymore,

14:57and we were toxic for each other.

15:00We were fighting in front of the kids.

15:03So I get the kids,

15:05and I go to visit my aunt.

15:06By the time I got home,

15:08he had moved out,

15:09and he took his paycheck with him.

15:13And I didn't know what I was going to do.

15:15I had been completely financially dependent

15:20on my husband,

15:21and now I'm 24 years old.

15:24I'm getting a divorce.

15:25I have three children.

15:26I have never had a real job.

15:28So I applied everywhere.

15:31The company that hired me

15:33was a bleach manufacturing company.

15:37The goal of this company

15:38was never about selling bleach

15:40or selling any kind of product.

15:42It was about selling the company.

15:44They wanted somebody

15:45to buy out the company

15:46for much more money

15:47than they bought it for.

15:49These were big-time entrepreneurs

15:52that would buy out companies

15:54and undersell their competitors

15:56to make lots of money,

15:58no matter the damage

15:59that it caused anyone else.

16:01They're really trying to screw over

16:03other manufacturing plants.

16:05They had two goals.

16:07One would be the competitor

16:08goes out of business,

16:09or the second, the competitor.

16:11They would end up

16:13getting so desperate

16:14they would buy out our company.

16:19So the company that I worked for

16:21was not making any money.

16:22We were losing money

16:23so that they can undersell

16:26the competitors.

16:27And part of my job duties

16:29was to call the big boss,

16:30the money man,

16:31and say,

16:32hey, we need a deposit

16:33because the power bill was due

16:35and I'm not going to be able

16:36and I'm not going to be able

16:36to pay this out.

16:38He would just wire over

16:40$40,000 or $60,000 or whatever.

16:44He'd just wire it

16:44from his personal account

16:46for us to cover expenses.

16:47But he wanted the books

16:49to look like the bleach plant

16:50was making money.

16:52One time when I called

16:54and I asked,

16:54hey, we need a wire,

16:56he said,

16:56okay, well,

16:57mark it as this in the book.

16:59He wanted me to act like

17:02that was an accounts receivable

17:04instead of him

17:04making a wire deposit.

17:06So I'm changing up

17:08the way things look

17:10in our books

17:11instead of it looking like

17:12the owner gave us

17:14this big amount of money.

17:15It looked like someone

17:16paid us for a bleach order.

17:20My boss asked me

17:22to cook the books.

17:24At that point,

17:25I didn't think it was illegal,

17:26but I felt it was morally wrong.

17:28But what am I going to do, quit?

17:30No, absolutely not.

17:31I couldn't quit my job.

17:33I felt trapped.

17:34The potential for me

17:35finding another job,

17:36even at that salary,

17:38was very limited.

17:39I knew I needed a job

17:41to cover my expenses,

17:43my children's expenses.

17:46So in the end,

17:47I did it.

17:48I did what I was told to do

17:49and I changed transactions

17:51in the books

17:52and made it look like

17:53the company was a lot

17:54more successful than it was.

17:59Making $12 or $13 an hour,

18:01I was still struggling.

18:04I was still having to

18:05borrow rent money

18:07to make a car payment

18:08so they didn't come

18:09pick up my vehicle

18:10or default on my electricity.

18:12I remember my power

18:13getting cut off

18:14so that I could pay my rent.

18:18It was like a juggling act

18:19all the time.

18:20I was making $12 or $13 an hour

18:25and doing this

18:26maybe illegal thing

18:28and I did ask for a raise

18:30and do you know that

18:31these wealthy men

18:34gave me a $0.50 an hour raise

18:38and I felt like

18:39that was a slap in the face.

18:42Any little bit of respect

18:44I had for these guys

18:45at that point,

18:46it went out the window.

18:47I knew I deserved this money.

18:49I earned this money.

18:51If you're not going to

18:51give me a raise,

18:52I'm going to take my own raise.

18:58I was dealt a bad hand

19:00and I was going to have

19:01to change my look.

19:02The first time

19:08that I actually took money,

19:10I was broke.

19:11I didn't have money

19:12for anything.

19:13Like there was zero,

19:15maybe even negative

19:15in my bank account.

19:18I had been watching

19:19these wire transactions

19:21take place.

19:23I saw how easy

19:24it would be

19:25to make it happen

19:26and I thought

19:27if I just had

19:28a couple hundred dollars

19:30to get me through

19:31the week

19:32and I remember thinking

19:33I could just do it

19:34right here

19:35and I did it.

19:39It was as simple

19:40as clicking a button

19:41and stealing

19:44some of their dirty money.

19:46I didn't want it

19:47just like wired

19:48into my account.

19:49I felt like

19:50I would get caught

19:51easily doing that.

19:52The majority

19:53of our transactions

19:54are to and from businesses

19:56so my mind

19:57immediately went

19:58to a business account.

20:00All you need to do

20:01to set up

20:02a business account

20:03is to have

20:04a tax ID number

20:05and so I searched online

20:08and I looked for

20:09businesses that had

20:10closed in our state.

20:12I looked up

20:13their tax ID numbers

20:14and I opened an account

20:15with one of those businesses

20:17and then I opened up

20:19the company's bank account

20:21and I wire transferred

20:23$200

20:24to this fake

20:26business account

20:27and it worked

20:28and it was smooth

20:29and it was easy

20:30and then I withdrew

20:32the money

20:32and I remember

20:34thinking

20:34this kind of saved me

20:36for this week.

20:38I had convinced

20:39myself internally

20:41that that was like

20:42a bonus

20:42that I deserved

20:43because of the work

20:44that I was doing

20:45and so the next time

20:47when rent payment

20:48was due

20:49and I was like

20:50$400 shy

20:51how do I get

20:52this rent payment

20:53and I just repeated it.

20:57It kind of snowballed

20:59really fast

21:00like once you start

21:00kind of getting

21:01that fast money

21:02and that adrenaline

21:03and you want

21:04that feeling again

21:05and you do it

21:06again and again

21:07it becomes addictive.

21:10I've been working

21:11for that company

21:12for a little over a year

21:14and I meet this man

21:16and we fall in love.

21:20We end up getting married

21:21and having two children

21:23back to back.

21:25So now I felt

21:26even more under pressure.

21:27Now I have five kids.

21:29Now I have a husband

21:30who doesn't have a clue

21:32what I'm doing

21:32and is trying to build

21:35his own business.

21:36He's not making any money.

21:37I'm completely responsible

21:39for all the finances.

21:41There was absolutely no way

21:43I could have just stopped.

21:44taking money.

21:46By the third year

21:47I was getting

21:48several thousand dollars

21:50a month.

21:51I was probably tripling

21:52my income

21:53with stolen money.

21:55I paid a truck off

21:57so that I didn't have

21:58a car payment.

21:59My kids are dressing better.

22:00I'm dressing better.

22:02We're going on

22:02family vacations

22:03which I never thought

22:04we would be able

22:05to afford before.

22:06It felt great

22:09to be able to give

22:10my kids things

22:11but I was lying

22:12to the people

22:13that I cared about

22:14the most.

22:15You know,

22:15my mom,

22:16my dad.

22:18Not just my bosses

22:20at work

22:20that I didn't care

22:21about that much,

22:22right?

22:22but I was literally

22:24lying to everybody

22:26and I felt guilty

22:27and shameful

22:29and scared.

22:36So like the number

22:37one rule

22:38when you're moving

22:39money in this way

22:40and keeping this fraud

22:41up

22:42is you have to keep

22:43the money moving.

22:44if that money stops

22:46it throws up

22:47a red flag to the bank

22:48and it's game over.

22:49So you transfer money

22:50back and forth

22:51to make it look

22:52as business as usual

22:53the same as every day.

22:56I woke up

22:56one Friday morning

22:57like a normal work day

22:59and the entire state

23:01of Texas

23:01is covered in ice.

23:03I went on my phone

23:05to check the bank accounts

23:06and the storm

23:07had knocked

23:08the Wi-Fi out.

23:09When it's icy

23:10the whole state

23:11shuts down.

23:12The schools were closed

23:13businesses were

23:14closed

23:15and I know

23:16I need to get to work

23:17so that I can get

23:18on my works

23:20bank account

23:21and move the money around.

23:23I start telling my husband

23:24I have to get to work

23:25it's my work day

23:26I have to go to the office

23:27we have important

23:28things happening

23:29and he's telling me

23:30nothing is happening

23:31everything is closed.

23:33I had a choice to make

23:35I could have

23:36told my husband

23:38if I don't do this

23:39I'm going to prison

23:40and if I did that

23:42it might incriminate him.

23:44so I decided

23:46to just

23:47ride it out

23:47and I just

23:49thought about it

23:50all weekend

23:51and worried over it

23:52meanwhile

23:53trying to act normal

23:54around my family

23:55and then

23:57my boss

23:58the general manager

23:59of the plant

23:59called me

24:00on the weekend

24:01which wasn't

24:02that unusual

24:02but this time

24:05he called

24:05to tell me

24:06that our big bosses

24:08are going to be

24:08flying in

24:09and we would have

24:10a meeting

24:10that Monday morning

24:12I was panicked

24:15I was anxious

24:16like I had

24:18fleeting thoughts

24:19of like running

24:20going on the run

24:21or trying to escape

24:22this

24:23but how do you

24:23go on the run

24:24with all these kids

24:25I knew that

24:27I had to go

24:28into work

24:29on Monday

24:29I walked

24:33into my office

24:34and the big boss

24:36the money man

24:37he was in my office

24:38sitting in my chair

24:39my heart was racing

24:42and so I just

24:44sit across

24:45from him

24:46I was scared

24:48my palms

24:49were sweaty

24:50and he opens

24:52this folder

24:53and lays

24:54all these papers

24:55out

24:55I look down

24:58at the papers

24:58and it's

24:59all of my

25:00transactions

25:00I know immediately

25:02what it is

25:02and he just says

25:05what is all

25:06of this

25:06I looked at him

25:08in the eye

25:09and I said

25:10I think that you

25:11already know

25:11what all of this is

25:13and there was

25:14just this

25:15this like

25:15second

25:16of silence

25:17and I'm just

25:18waiting

25:19the door opens

25:22and it's two

25:23police detectives

25:24the detective

25:27he just said

25:28hey we want

25:28to question you

25:29can you come

25:30with us

25:31and I went

25:33with him

25:34he took me

25:38to a typical

25:39interrogation room

25:41I mean it looked

25:42like an interrogation

25:43room that you see

25:44on law and order

25:45and I just thought

25:46how did my life

25:48get here

25:49it felt like

25:50it was overnight

25:51even though

25:52it was a number

25:52of years

25:53so I admitted

25:55to everything

25:56I couldn't hold

25:57it in anymore

25:57and frankly

25:58it felt good

25:59to let it all out

26:00when the detective

26:03said that I was

26:04under arrest

26:04my immediate thought

26:05was who's going

26:06to get the kids

26:07from school

26:08but they put me

26:09in handcuffs

26:10and take me

26:10to the jail

26:11so I took

26:13$367,000

26:15from the company

26:16I worked for

26:17they charged me

26:20with theft

26:21over $200,000

26:22I pled guilty

26:25you know

26:26I was

26:26I was guilty

26:27the district

26:29attorney's office

26:30they brought

26:30an offer

26:31and I'm still

26:32hoping like

26:33maybe probation

26:34I don't know

26:35like maybe probation

26:36and I have to

26:37pay the money

26:38back

26:38and instead

26:39my first offer

26:40was 40 years

26:42the reality

26:45of that number

26:47it just came

26:48crashing down

26:49on me

26:49I thought

26:51I was going

26:51to die

26:51right then

26:52my lawyer said

26:57if you sign

26:58for this

26:58you know

26:59I said

27:00there's no way

27:01I'm signing

27:0240 years

27:03of my life away

27:04absolutely not

27:06ultimately

27:08I was sentenced

27:09to 20 years

27:10I got to see

27:13parole

27:13at 2 years

27:15at 3 years

27:164 years

27:165 years

27:17and I kept

27:21getting denied

27:22for parole

27:22for the same

27:23reason

27:24which is

27:24significant

27:25monetary loss

27:26so it was

27:28like

27:28you took

27:29this money

27:30there's nothing

27:31you can do

27:31about it now

27:32but we're just

27:33going to keep

27:33denying your parole

27:34when you play

27:37with other

27:38people's money

27:38you are playing

27:40with your life

27:41my name is

27:46Charles Honecki

27:47and I was involved

27:48in over 500

27:48robberies

27:49some of these

27:50jobs were

27:50hundreds of

27:51thousands of

27:51dollars

27:51others

27:52were millions

27:53and escaped

27:55the police

27:55so many times

27:56by scaling

27:57over fences

27:58hopping on top

27:59of buildings

27:59he nicknamed

28:00me Spider-Man

28:01I grew up

28:09in a rough

28:10part of Chicago

28:11where making

28:11money illegally

28:12was normal

28:13my mom and dad

28:14were separated

28:15my dad was

28:16in and out of jail

28:17in prison

28:17my parents

28:18didn't have much

28:19growing up

28:19we grew up

28:20we grew up

28:20on food stamps

28:21and government

28:21assistance

28:21to me

28:23money was power

28:24money was able

28:25to get you

28:25things that you

28:25needed

28:26there weren't

28:27many opportunities

28:28for me to go

28:28to work

28:29and earn money

28:29so I had to

28:30get out there

28:30and take it

28:31from stealing

28:32hood ornaments

28:33then he evolved

28:36to stealing

28:36bikes

28:37you know

28:39when I was in

28:39school I used

28:40to have the

28:40teachers coming

28:41up to me

28:41talking about

28:42Chucky

28:42you got parts

28:43for an 87

28:44Schwinn

28:44because I had

28:45like a whole

28:46bicycle ring

28:46everybody know

28:47me

28:47I would take

28:48anything that

28:48wasn't bolted

28:49down

28:49if it was

28:50bolted down

28:50I'd cut that

28:51bolt off

28:52so crime

28:55for me

28:56just started

28:57evolving

28:57when I was

28:5814

28:58I started

28:59stealing cars

29:00I could make

29:02a couple hundred

29:02dollars

29:03or a couple

29:03thousand

29:04one day

29:05I took a

29:05stolen car

29:06to my

29:06girlfriend's

29:07house

29:07and all

29:13of a sudden

29:13I seen the

29:14police all

29:14around me

29:15as soon

29:18as I seen

29:18those cherries

29:19behind me

29:19I took

29:19off

29:20like a

29:20bat out

29:21of hell

29:21like I

29:21always did

29:22they was on

29:36me

29:36I'm going

29:3685 miles

29:37per hour

29:38and they're

29:38right behind

29:39me

29:39I'm turning

29:42sharp

29:42I'm going

29:42around cars

29:43hitting through

29:44the alleys

29:44just trying

29:45to lose

29:46that

29:46they were

29:48hitting every

29:48turn with

29:49me

29:49I could not

29:49get them

29:50off my

29:50tail

29:50there was

29:51only one

29:52thing left

29:52to do

29:52and it

29:53was to

29:53jump out

29:54the car

29:54we call

29:55it a

29:55jump out

29:56before I

29:58jumped out

29:58that car

29:59the feeling

30:00I have

30:00is that

30:00heart just

30:01pounding

30:01it's like

30:02jumping into

30:02a cold

30:03water

30:03you just

30:04gotta go

30:05for it

30:05that car

30:10is moving

30:10forward

30:11there's no

30:11driver

30:11the police

30:12gotta

30:13concentrate

30:13stopping

30:14that car

30:14first thing

30:18in a police

30:19chase

30:19is you gotta

30:20know

30:20your surroundings

30:21you gotta

30:21know where

30:21to hide

30:22or run

30:23I see

30:24this fence

30:24and I look

30:27up

30:28and there's

30:28barbed wire

30:29one thing

30:31about me

30:32is I was

30:32always limber

30:33I threw

30:34myself right

30:34over that

30:35barbed wire

30:35and I landed

30:36on my feet

30:37and I only

30:37got a little

30:38cut on my

30:38wrist for

30:39it was

30:42time to

30:42go

30:42I hear

30:45this cop

30:45trying to

30:46jump the

30:46fence

30:46behind me

30:47I can

30:47hear the

30:47whole

30:47fence

30:48rattling

30:48they're

30:48calling me

30:49vulgarities

30:49they stop

30:50yada yada

30:51like nah

30:52read the

30:52back of

30:53my

30:53Nikes

30:53and what

30:58I do

30:58I cut

30:59through

30:59the

30:59gameway

30:59a

31:00gameway

31:00is a

31:01section

31:01of two

31:01buildings

31:02that

31:02connect

31:02the street

31:03and the

31:03alley

31:04in the

31:04city

31:04of

31:04Chicago

31:05when I

31:06see a

31:06gameway

31:07I see

31:07an

31:07opportunity

31:08sometimes

31:08not to

31:09just go

31:09through

31:09but to

31:10go up

31:11so when

31:11I decide

31:12to climb

31:12up I

31:12put my

31:13back

31:13against

31:13the

31:13wall

31:14and I

31:14put my

31:14feet up

31:15against

31:15the

31:15other

31:15side

31:16and

31:16maneuver

31:17with my

31:17arms

31:17and just

31:17continue

31:18to

31:18climb

31:18scaling up

31:20the

31:20wall

31:20like

31:20Spider-Man

31:21I get

31:27to the

31:27rooftop

31:27and I

31:28heard the

31:28police

31:28come

31:29closer

31:29and I

31:30can see

31:30the

31:30lights

31:30starting

31:31to

31:31come

31:31so I

31:33look

31:33around

31:33and I

31:34see that

31:34the only

31:34way

31:35to get

31:35away

31:36and out

31:36was to

31:37get that

31:37next

31:37building

31:38and jump

31:38it

31:38I'm

31:40standing

31:40at the

31:40edge

31:41of the

31:41building

31:41and I

31:42see that

31:42it's about

31:42six feet

31:43to the

31:44other side

31:44looking at

31:45that six

31:45feet

31:46it looked

31:46like six

31:47yards

31:47I gave

31:50myself a

31:51running

31:51start

31:51and I

31:52got to

31:52the edge

31:52of the

31:52building

31:52and I

31:53jumped

31:53I felt

31:57like I

31:58was in

31:58slow motion

31:59like I

31:59could fly

32:00just like

32:00Michael

32:01Jordan

32:01bang

32:03and I

32:04landed

32:05I

32:05made

32:05it

32:05to

32:05the

32:06other

32:06side

32:06the

32:14cops

32:14couldn't

32:14believe

32:15it

32:15they

32:15were like

32:16look at

32:16this

32:16kid

32:16jumping

32:17from

32:17building

32:17to

32:17building

32:18sometimes

32:19it's

32:19funny

32:20when you

32:20look back

32:21and you

32:21see them

32:21like

32:22forget

32:23about

32:23that

32:23you

32:24see

32:24the

32:24look

32:24on

32:24their

32:25faces

32:25like

32:25it's

32:25too

32:26much

32:26for

32:26them

32:26that's

32:27why

32:27they

32:27call

32:27me

32:28spider

32:28man

32:28I

32:35had

32:36become

32:36the

32:36ultimate

32:37escape

32:37artist

32:38running

32:39from

32:39the

32:39cops

32:40was

32:40like

32:40my

32:40superpower

32:41I

32:47was

32:47known

32:47as

32:47all

32:47these

32:48negative

32:48things

32:49in

32:49society's

32:50eyes

32:50a

32:50burglar

32:51robber

32:52a

32:53gunner

32:53in

32:55the

32:55neighborhood

32:56and

32:56actually

32:56you

32:56were

32:57like

32:57a

32:57star

32:57I

32:57took

32:58pride

32:58in

32:58these

32:58things

32:59yeah

32:59that's

33:00me

33:00that's

33:01me

33:01that's

33:01right

33:01I

33:02did

33:02that

33:02I

33:05evolved

33:05from a

33:05petty

33:06criminal

33:06into a

33:07professional

33:07robber

33:08and I

33:08was

33:09the

33:09best

33:09in

33:09the

33:09business

33:10on

33:13average

33:14every month

33:15when I

33:15was a

33:15career

33:15criminal

33:16I

33:17was

33:17making

33:17at least

33:17$25,000

33:18a

33:19month

33:19as

33:21I

33:21grew

33:21older

33:22I

33:22developed

33:22into

33:23more

33:23organized

33:24crime

33:24and I

33:26developed

33:27a whole

33:27trustworthy

33:27team

33:28some of

33:30these

33:30individuals

33:31I

33:31associate

33:31with

33:32were

33:32masterminds

33:33they were

33:33geniuses

33:34in what

33:34they did

33:34by the

33:35time

33:35those

33:35big

33:36heights

33:36started

33:36getting

33:36perfected

33:37and more

33:38organized

33:38I was

33:39making

33:39hundreds

33:39of thousands

33:40of dollars

33:40we

33:41we

33:41always

33:42had

33:42licks

33:42in

33:43Chicago

33:43a

33:44lick

33:44is

33:45pretty

33:45much

33:45a

33:45criminal

33:46job

33:46opening

33:47it's

33:47a

33:47plan

33:47it's

33:48an

33:48idea

33:48it's

33:48a

33:48tip

33:49whether

33:49it's

33:50robbing

33:50this

33:50place

33:50this

33:51place

33:51one

33:54big

33:54thing

33:54in

33:54Chicago

33:55to this

33:55day

33:56is

33:56freight

33:57trains

33:57the freight

33:57industry

33:58there's

33:59millions

33:59and millions

34:00of dollars

34:00going

34:00through

34:01Chicago

34:01every

34:02single

34:02day

34:02on

34:03these

34:03trains

34:04we

34:04had

34:05guys

34:05on the

34:05inside

34:06giving

34:06us

34:06information

34:07all

34:07the

34:07time

34:07we

34:07had

34:10almost

34:11a

34:11million

34:11dollars

34:12it was

34:12only

34:12going

34:12to be

34:13there

34:13for

34:13a

34:13few

34:13hours

34:14and we

34:14had

34:14to make

34:15time

34:15in the

34:16middle of

34:16night

34:16to make

34:17this

34:17happen

34:17it was

34:21one of the

34:21biggest

34:21robberies

34:22in my

34:22life

34:22for this

34:23job we

34:23had about

34:24seven

34:24guys

34:24we had

34:25around

34:25three

34:25trucks

34:26with us

34:26we had

34:27around

34:27five

34:27vans

34:28this

34:28wasn't a

34:29robbery

34:29this was

34:30a

34:30heist

34:30I'm

34:30talking

34:30about

34:30we

34:30were

34:31there

34:31to

34:31take

34:31it

34:31all

34:31as

34:39soon

34:40as

34:40we

34:40get

34:40out

34:40that

34:40car

34:40the

34:41first

34:41instinct

34:41is to

34:42get in

34:42there

34:42get the

34:43product

34:43and keep

34:43it

34:44moving

34:44we get

34:44up to

34:44the

34:45freight train

34:45they got

34:45a basic

34:46lock

34:46on there

34:46and I

34:47got cut

34:48right through

34:48it like

34:48it was

34:48nothing

34:49bam

34:49soon as we

34:51open up

34:51that freight

34:52train

34:52it's

34:52stacked

34:53and filled

34:54with electronics

34:55to me it

34:55looks like

34:56brand new

34:56gold bars

34:57we gotta

34:58get it

34:58and we gotta

34:59start moving

34:59it asap

35:00there's no

35:00time to

35:00waste

35:01we're unloading

35:03unloading

35:03and then

35:04I see the

35:05headlights

35:05coming

35:05I just

35:11started running

35:11I didn't even

35:12know where I was

35:12going and running

35:13at that point

35:13because I didn't

35:14know the area

35:15that well

35:15when you're running

35:18for your life

35:19you ain't running

35:19for track

35:20you're running

35:20for your freedom

35:21and you feel it

35:22differently

35:22in your heart

35:23and in your legs

35:25this was game

35:26on

35:26I would say

35:33anger is my

35:33most comfortable

35:34feeling

35:34and I always

35:35had anger

35:36issues

35:36it just

35:39worked very

35:39well with

35:40martial arts

35:41so I started

35:42my journey

35:43in martial arts

35:44at the age

35:44of four

35:45my folks

35:47enrolled me

35:48in my very

35:48first martial

35:49art class

35:49and my instructor

35:50broke my nose

35:51the very first

35:52class

35:52the seventh

35:54was a different

35:55era

35:56and believe it

35:58or not

35:59that's when

35:59I fell in love

36:00with it

36:00I remember

36:01coming back

36:02the next day

36:02black eyes

36:03nose was jacked

36:05up

36:05and my instructor

36:06looked at me

36:06and he says

36:07you're back

36:07again

36:08I said

36:09you're never

36:09going to get

36:10rid of me

36:10I love fighting

36:11and to this day

36:12I still love it

36:13I'm 56 years

36:14of age right now

36:15and I still

36:16got a lot

36:16of fight in me

36:24I'm looking

36:25around

36:26that adrenaline

36:27is still going

36:27and I didn't

36:28know where to go

36:29I look over

36:30and I see

36:31this drain

36:31is ditching

36:32the cut

36:32and I knew

36:33I had to get

36:33in there

36:34because that

36:34was the only

36:34place to go

36:35hear the chatter

36:50from the police

36:51I know they're

36:52looking for me

36:52they're looking

36:53everywhere

36:53as soon as I see

36:55that light

36:56starting to come

36:56inside the tunnel

36:57I had no choice

36:58but to lay down

36:59I submerged

37:00my whole head

37:01into the water

37:02and held my breath

37:04for as long

37:04as I can

37:05I felt

37:07the dirtiness

37:08of the water

37:08but I felt

37:09disgusting

37:09I felt stuff

37:10crawling on me

37:11and I wound up

37:12standing there

37:13for around

37:13two hours

37:14that night

37:14it was one

37:16of the longest

37:17nights of my life

37:18it was

37:20it was a disgusting

37:21getaway

37:21but I got away

37:22because you don't

37:23care what you

37:24have on your clothes

37:24you don't care

37:25if you're bleeding

37:25you don't care

37:26if you're dirty

37:27because it all

37:28beats

37:28going to jail

37:30I've committed

37:31over 500 robberies

37:33but never been

37:34caught and agged

37:35nor even a fingerprint

37:36at the scene

37:37not once

37:39just because

37:40they can't catch you

37:41with what you're doing

37:42that doesn't mean

37:43they're going to

37:43let you go

37:44the police

37:44I definitely

37:46had a target

37:46on my back

37:47my whole life

37:47and they were

37:48mad at me

37:49for getting away

37:49with so many things

37:50I had no idea

37:51that this time

37:52my luck had run out

37:54I remember it vividly

37:57like it was yesterday

37:57that day I heard

37:59that knock on the door

38:00and you always know

38:00a police knock

38:01as soon as you hear

38:04that knock

38:05like it's the police

38:06the first thing you

38:06want to do

38:06is kind of look

38:07out the window

38:08a little bit

38:08when I looked

38:09out the window

38:10all I seen

38:10was police cars

38:11and even officers

38:12standing outside

38:12there must have

38:13been at least

38:1315 to 20 police

38:15outside the front

38:15as soon as I seen them

38:17my first instinct

38:18is to run

38:18out the back

38:19when I take

38:20the first look

38:20out the back

38:21there must have

38:21been another

38:2228, 30 police

38:23outside the back

38:23with the dogs

38:24at that point

38:26there ain't nowhere

38:27left to run

38:28the cops are telling

38:30me to open up

38:30the door

38:31I told them

38:31I ain't open up

38:32nothing

38:32I told them

38:33that they gotta

38:33come in and get me

38:34and legally

38:34they couldn't

38:35come in and get me

38:36yet

38:36because at that point

38:37they didn't have

38:38the warrant

38:38to come into the house

38:39I just took that

38:44time

38:44to enjoy my last

38:46bits of freedom

38:46at that point

38:49once they got

38:50that warrant

38:50after waiting

38:51there a couple

38:51hours

38:52you know

38:52they just busted

38:53right in

38:53I just like

38:54hey come on

38:54let's go

38:55I'm ready

38:55they cuffed me

39:01they take me

39:01to the station

39:02they hit me

39:02with a case

39:03of residential

39:03burglary

39:04regular burglary

39:05a theft case

39:07and some drugs

39:08and like Chicago

39:09is they throw

39:09a bunch of

39:10charges at the wall

39:11until something

39:11sticks

39:12at first I was

39:13looking at 30

39:14to 50 years

39:15for all these

39:16charges

39:16but eventually

39:17I was sentenced

39:18to 8 years

39:18in prison

39:19there'll be

39:21no escaping

39:21this time

39:22now I counsel

39:31people that have

39:32addiction issues

39:33relationship issues

39:34and I did a 360

39:36it's my duty

39:38to help people

39:38better themselves

39:39physically

39:40mentally

39:41emotionally

39:42we're all

39:43placed on this

39:44earth

39:44to make each

39:45other better

39:46not worse

39:46about 10 years

39:49after being released

39:50from prison

39:50I lost my father

39:51I knew he was

39:56proud of me

39:57he was proud

39:58of the man

39:58I became

39:59what I was

40:00doing

40:00and without him

40:02even saying

40:03that he loved

40:03me

40:03I know

40:04once and for

40:05all

40:05he did love

40:06me

40:06after 10 years

40:14I finally got

40:15to come home

40:15getting out

40:17of prison

40:17is like

40:18the best

40:19and the scariest

40:20day of my life

40:22when I went

40:23to prison

40:24I left

40:25two babies

40:26and diapers

40:26and three

40:27in middle school

40:28and I came home

40:30to two in middle school

40:31and three adults

40:33one of my sons

40:34was married

40:35and I had become

40:35a grandmother

40:36he had two boys

40:37of his own

40:38life had gone on

40:40without me

40:41my actions

40:42caused this

40:43ripple effect

40:44of hurt

40:45and trauma

40:46throughout my family

40:47and I had to own up

40:49to that

40:49but no matter what

40:51the love

40:52has still

40:52always been there

40:54so now I do

40:59motivational speaking

41:00at conferences

41:01all over the country

41:02at my old prison

41:03where I once did time

41:04at the old Joliet prison

41:05now I give tours there

41:06I did around 13 years

41:08in prison altogether

41:10but I deserve

41:11to be there

41:11I should be

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