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Dateline (AU) Season 2025 Episode 28
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00:00SBS advises that the following program contains content that may distress some viewers.
00:23This is the edge of Israel.
00:30On the Gaza border, a radical settler movement has gathered over the Jewish Sabbath.
00:38Tell me what's going on here.
00:40We are here, as a group of Israel, as a tribe of Israel.
00:46To stay, sit, live and live.
00:50A part of the land of Israel.
00:52She is part of the Natchala movement.
00:56A far-right religious group that views settlement of all Palestinian territories as the divine right of Jewish people.
01:05Her views are extreme.
01:08What about the Palestinians that live there, the Gazans?
01:12People who were
01:19to see how young children are going to be in their homes.
01:25I think that they don't even have all the resources in this relationship.
01:44But at the end of this, Israel, in the vast majority,
01:48I want the war to end only in one way, in the way of cooperation and cooperation.
02:18Since then, more than 67,000 Palestinians have been killed according to Gaza's Health Ministry,
02:34which doesn't differentiate between civilians and combatants.
02:40Though the UN reports, half the dead are women, children and the elderly.
02:47Israel is committing genocide in Gaza, according to the UN Human Rights Council,
02:53various human rights groups and independent experts,
02:57that say deliberate starvation is being used as a method of war, claims Israel rejects.
03:05If we wanted to commit genocide, we would have done it in one afternoon.
03:09Despite mounting international and domestic pressure to end the war in Gaza,
03:16Benjamin Netanyahu's far-right government expanded its offensive.
03:22Israel has no choice but to finish the job and complete the defeat of Hamas.
03:29Two years on from the October 7 attacks, I've come here to find out what Israelis think of the war and why.
03:42Israel has been killed in the West.
03:48Keep going, go. Go Yefay, Yefay, Yefay.
03:50At Herzliah Beach, Australian-Israeli Paul Hakim has brought nippers to the Middle East.
03:56the Middle East.
03:57Born, bred and raised in Australia, you don't get more Aussie than life-saving.
04:05So I thought I'd introduce it to Israel.
04:08We've Israelified it because the kids have been through a hell, a lot of trauma.
04:14We have to be prepared that if a rocket does fire from Gaza or from Lebanon or from Yemen,
04:22we have here at least a minute and a half to get into a bunker.
04:27So what we do is, instead of doing the 100 metre run, we do a 50 metre run, 20 metre swim
04:33in, swim out.
04:34That allows us to get in, to run from here to the toilets there, and the toilets is our
04:41best chance of being in a safe position.
04:44Despite the reality Paul's describing, I'm struck by how normal life appears.
04:52It could be on the Gold Coast, except I know that Gaza is an hour down the road.
05:00These passers-by overhear and come to share what they think of the war.
05:06If we want peace on the other side, it wants war, it wants death, it can inflict death upon
05:11us.
05:12You can't really do much about that.
05:14What do you think about a growing number of experts and organisations, humanitarian organisations,
05:22who say Israel is committing genocide?
05:23They are wrong.
05:24They are telling lies.
05:25They are selling the propaganda, what the Hamas is feeding the news.
05:32Because we are Jews, all the world is against us, it's the same like in the Holocaust.
05:40Can I just ask, what about, what about the children, civilians, children, innocent people
05:48in Gaza?
05:49Do you...
05:50There is no...
05:51There is no innocent people in Gaza.
05:53There is no, I think, innocent people in Gaza.
05:55All my mind is about the hostages.
05:58And the children they killed.
06:03And the women they killed.
06:06They are not people, human beings.
06:10Nazis.
06:11They are Nazis.
06:12They are not people.
06:15You are against us.
06:16You are not...
06:17Don't feel our pains.
06:18It's not good.
06:19OK.
06:21Bye.
06:23Bye-bye.
06:24Bye.
06:25Bye.
06:26These dehumanising views are confronting.
06:32There's a perception here that international media is against Israel and has forgotten October
06:417.
06:42They start so it's not our problem.
07:11for a problem, but we need to
07:14to get rid of Gaza, that's what I think.
07:19When you say, we need to destroy Gaza,
07:23do you mean every single person in Gaza?
07:27No, I'm sure that I want to get rid of the people,
07:31but I don't think that everyone is there.
07:34That's why I say that it's good to get rid of
07:39and that everyone who doesn't want to go to another country,
07:43I'm sure that he can go to another place.
07:47Forced displacement or deportation of civilians
07:51are crimes against humanity under international law.
07:57What have the last two years been like?
08:01Oh, what a question.
08:03Very, very challenging, to say the least.
08:06I don't think anyone has actually got over it.
08:10And the thing is, we're still there.
08:11Until all the hostages are released, we are all locked in.
08:16Don't forget, after October 7, 2023,
08:19it's been two years of trauma upon trauma upon trauma upon trauma.
08:23And it's not like post-trauma.
08:25It's present trauma.
08:26We're still living it.
08:27You understand?
08:28So what do you see on the TV here?
08:30What are you seeing from the war?
08:32OK, the first thing you see is the amount of days
08:37that the hostages are kept under the tunnels.
08:40Israel does not allow foreign media access to Gaza.
08:57More than 200 Palestinian journalists have been killed there,
09:02according to the Committee to Protect Journalists.
09:05For Israeli outlets that are allowed in,
09:11like mainstream Channel 12, focus is on the enemy.
09:22Vision of starving Palestinians is either not shown
09:27or routinely dismissed.
09:31I'd like to tell you, from the stories that I see,
09:34I think that you need to get out of the house.
09:36This is not a very sensitive woman.
09:38No, this is a woman who maybe eats all the food of her daughter.
09:41It's...
09:42And we're going to condemn you.
09:44To condemn.
09:47To condemn.
09:47To understand the national mood, I'm at the Israel Democracy Institute,
09:58an independent research centre home to Israel's most comprehensive database
10:03of public opinion surveys.
10:07Professor Tamar Herman has been analysing public sentiment for 30 years.
10:12What does your polling tell us about Israeli attitudes towards the war in Gaza?
10:18Right now, most Israelis, the majority, would like to put some end to the fighting,
10:26not necessarily to the war in general, in return for the returning of the hostages.
10:32Most Israelis, 79%, gave us the answer that they are not very concerned,
10:37or not at all concerned, of what's happening in Gaza.
10:41And the explanation for that is, first and foremost, the hostages.
10:45Because just before the starvation campaign started, in the foreign media,
10:50we got video clips of starved hostages.
10:55And they looked like Holocaust refugees.
10:59So if this is what they're doing to our hostages, we don't feel for them.
11:05And the fact that on October 7th, many of the civilians in Gaza actually took part in the attack.
11:16A UN investigation found some civilians took part on October 7th.
11:21In the psyche of the average Israeli, all Gazans are potential murderers of Jews and of Israelis.
11:32But surely the general public can distinguish between a Hamas terrorist operative and a child?
11:41No, they can't.
11:42Because the family of the child might have kept the hostages in their homes,
11:51okay, in collaboration with Hamas.
11:55So I'm not saying that they are right.
11:57But I'm trying to explain how do they see it.
12:01The other aspect is, well, it's very simple from the psychological point of view.
12:08If you feel as a victim, it's very difficult to associate yourself with being the perpetrator
12:18of evil on others.
12:20So you'd rather not see it.
12:33I've travelled down to the Kfar Aza Kibbutz, one of the worst hit communities of October 7th.
12:40This house belonged to a young couple.
12:53Although the bodies have been removed, it feels like I've just walked into a fresh crime scene.
13:00Now it's open to tour groups.
13:18I've seen a lot of footage and a lot of the articles and the pictures, but really it's a ceasefire or no ceasefire.
13:27I think Israel needs to finish the chart.
13:33Around the corner, I can see Gaza by day.
13:37This is about as close as Israel allows foreign media to get.
13:47Even from here, you can see it's just rubble.
13:51It strikes me that for many of the Israelis I've spoken to,
13:57debate about how the war is being conducted begins and ends with October 7.
14:14Others view the war as part of a broader context.
14:18Israel's 1948 war of independence is known in Arabic as the Nakba, meaning the catastrophe.
14:27More than 700,000 Palestinians were dispossessed and displaced, though many remained in Israel.
14:37So, Fida, where are we?
14:39We are here in the old country, and in a special way, this street that we are in,
14:45it's the largest street in the Lid.
14:48It's the only one who didn't do it in the Nakba.
14:51The Lid is a separate city, not just separate from Jews and Arabs.
14:55It's because there's Islam and there's Christianity.
14:59Community advocate Fida Shahadeh is among two million Palestinian citizens of Israel,
15:05also known as Arab Israelis.
15:09So, how do you identify as Israeli? Do you feel Israeli?
15:12No, I don't have any feelings that I'm Israeli, especially in the recent events.
15:18I'm doing a civil war in Ghazza, a revolution, and a constant destruction.
15:25So, with these events, you feel that you want to be with your family and your family,
15:31and the Lid, in a special way, there are a lot of families in Ghazza and Lid.
15:38Fida says discrimination against her community has intensified.
15:43After 17, most of the Palestinians in the Middle East didn't speak any words,
15:49because they understand that any post we wrote on Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp,
15:55and Facebook, Instagram.
15:57So, if you talk to me about any word, then you became a rebel for the election,
15:59and a judgment, and a conflict.
16:04So, the decision-making in the US didn't have to come.
16:07It was a place to fear.
16:08According to data obtained under Freedom of Information, more than 600 people have been arrested for speech-related offences under Israel's counter-terrorism laws.
16:22The Ministry of Justice says 240 people have been charged, mostly Arabs.
16:30Even though a third of the city's residents are Palestinian, I only see Israeli flags.
16:37What would happen if you flew a Palestinian flag?
16:45Israel's Justice Ministry says police can remove flags if they feel their display could breach public peace.
16:58As an Israeli citizen, how do you feel about what happened on October 7?
17:06I'm going to ask a lot about the Israeli's studies.
17:09There's a lot of fear for the Israeli's studies.
17:12Because this is the one that we ask about the Israeli's studies.
17:16Finally, I want to ask a solution.
17:18I want to make a solution.
17:19I want to make a solution.
17:20When I say that I want to make a solution for the Palestinian issue, it's a lot of admiration for everything that happens.
17:27I don't want anyone to die or on any side.
17:28I'm someone who loves life.
17:30A small number of Jewish Israelis support the Palestinian cause.
17:45Nice to meet you.
17:47Come in.
17:48Michal and Yarden are friends, neighbours and activists, with a group called Looking the Occupation in the Eye.
17:58There is falafel here.
18:01They call themselves a protective presence for Palestinians facing displacement at the hands of settlers in the West Bank,
18:10part of the occupied Palestinian territories, recognised by Australia as the State of Palestine.
18:17During the week, what do you guys do? Are you students? Do you work?
18:22I work at, like, a boring, high-tech office.
18:26And Michal is a retired IVF embryologist.
18:30As left-wing activists, Yarden and Michal are a minority.
18:35What do people think of you in Israel?
18:39That we're traitors or that we're crazy.
18:43People say, like, you're an Arab lover or, like, a Palestinian lover.
18:47I can't have conversation with people who think that the West Bank should be Israel.
18:54Do you think the war in Gaza has emboldened settlers in the West Bank?
19:00Do you think it's linked?
19:03Yeah.
19:04They have, like, a...
19:07Someone would call it, like, a green light.
19:09Today, Yarden and Michal are heading to a village in the West Bank to act as human shields against settlers.
19:21So it's right here.
19:22So that's the checkpoint?
19:23That's the checkpoint, yeah.
19:24In just an hour's drive from Tel Aviv, we enter the West Bank.
19:29And that's it. You're in the West Bank right now.
19:31Occupied by Israel since the 1967 war, today, more than 700,000 settlers live in the West Bank and East Jerusalem
19:42in state-sanctioned settlements and smaller illegal outposts.
19:48Israel's occupation is considered illegal under international law, though Israel disputes this.
19:55In August, the government approved development plans for another 3,400 homes.
20:02This reality is the end of the state of the Palestinian state.
20:07It's simply because there is no one to know and no one to know.
20:13The UN says nearly 50,000 Palestinians have been displaced here in the last two years.
20:23More than 1,000 have been killed.
20:27Finally, we arrive in Ra's al-Azha, a tiny Palestinian village in the Jordan Valley under Israeli military occupation.
20:36The local Bedouin Palestinians' livestock is their livelihood.
20:43Yarden and Mejel are relieving other activists who've been on the lookout for settlers.
20:53We're in a very tense situation. They're coming in every day, all the time.
20:59So where are they now?
21:00They're coming down from the outpost.
21:04Yarden's just told us that they've got word that the settlers are coming down the hill with a flock of sheep.
21:10So we're going to go along and watch the activists confront the settlers and see what happens.
21:18So you know these guys?
21:22The child is the settler and the around guy is the security officer and the sheriff in town.
21:34Basically we need to just barrier between them and the Palestinians and take pictures and videos.
21:42So the security guy is driving away, Colin.
21:46As the settler and security guard leave, local children emerge.
21:53But minutes later, the settler returns and the kids disappear.
21:57Hello.
21:58Hello.
21:59Do you speak English?
22:00Why are you filming us?
22:01Hello.
22:02Do you speak English?
22:03Why are you filming us?
22:04Hello.
22:05Why are you filming us?
22:06Hello.
22:07Why are you filming us?
22:08Why are you filming us?
22:09Hello.
22:22Why do you bring the sheep down?
22:24Give me.
22:25It's not exactly tense.
22:28There's no weapons.
22:29No one's speaking even.
22:31It's just this standoff of one side documenting another side.
22:38These are the unspoken rules of engagement.
22:42But armed settler security or the army are just a phone call away.
22:47What do we know about this young boy?
22:50How old is he?
22:51I think he's around 15.
22:54He comes here very often.
22:56Everybody knows him.
22:58Why do you think he comes here?
23:00He's told to come here by the owner of the sheep.
23:04He's been used.
23:05He's like a slave.
23:10They tell him what to do and he does it.
23:12He's a young boy.
23:17The activists say a settler movement called Amana is behind what's happening here.
23:34It's sanctioned by the UK and Canada over settler violence.
23:40Dateline sent Amana questions.
23:43It denies involvement.
23:47The Palestinian family that live here worry very soon they'll lose their home.
23:54What is life like here?
24:00Do you see a situation where Israelis and Palestinians can coexist, can live in peace?
24:13No.
24:14No.
24:15No.
24:16No.
24:17No.
24:18No.
24:19No.
24:20No.
24:21No.
24:22No.
24:23No.
24:24No.
24:25No.
24:26No.
24:27No.
24:28No.
24:29I don't have any time.
24:30Nothing.
24:31No.
24:32No.
24:33I mean 75 years, it's not a legitimate attempt.
24:35I mean if they want to catch up or 잘못ate feel international, they just had each other.
24:40Israel is standing to support the release of the hostages. So, Mr. Netanyahu, Israel is standing with us, not with you.
25:10In Tel Aviv, hundreds of thousands of Israelis have, for months, been demanding that their government strike a deal with Hamas to return the remaining hostages from Gaza.
25:33Only 20 are still believed to be alive. One of them is Nimrod Cohen.
25:41Yeah, he was 19 when he was kidnapped. This is a few months before.
25:46Is it hard to look at his photo?
25:49You get used to everything.
25:51Polls suggest a majority of Israelis want the war to end to get the hostages home and say this is more important than defeating Hamas.
26:02We demand a ceasefire, ending the war and getting a hostage deal. The only way my son will be released will come only after a permanent ceasefire, after IDF full withdrawal from Gaza and prisoners exchange.
26:17Do you believe Benjamin Netanyahu is trying to retrieve the hostages and your son?
26:24No. Netanyahu is only working for his personal interests.
26:28What do you mean?
26:29Well, Netanyahu is under criminal trial here in Israel. So, he knows that the only way for him to stay a free man is to stay Prime Minister anyway.
26:39Benjamin Netanyahu is embroiled in a domestic corruption trial.
26:45He's also wanted by the International Criminal Court for war crimes and crimes against humanity.
26:51Charges he's described as an anti-Semitic attempt to deter Israel's right to self-defence.
26:58Israel is standing to support the release of the hostages. So, Mr Netanyahu, Israel is standing with us, not with you.
27:11I'm standing out from the crowd, I spot Yarden, the activist I spent time with in the West Bank.
27:21I also see Paul, who we met at Nipers on the beach.
27:26The most important issue in our country right now is the release of the hostages.
27:31Like, thousands of people are crying out, we want our children back, we want our people back.
27:37We're still locked in October 7. We haven't been released.
27:41So, it's a national trauma.
27:43And even saying that, I think it's not just a national trauma, it's a Jewish people trauma.
27:48This is the mainstream view.
27:51Concerns about suffering in Gaza are the minority.
27:56All these people are dying in pain.
27:58Palestinians, hostages, soldiers.
28:00Fighting for things that they cannot achieve.
28:05Once the hostages are returned, what's next for Israel?
28:10God knows what we can do right now without Gaza is destroyed.
28:15Because we can't go to the status quo occupation days of October 6.
28:21It's not sustainable and we're just going to have more October 7 and more Gaza genocides if we keep on doing that.
28:27We're just going to keep on doing that.
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