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00:00President Trump announcing he plans to launch a TrumpRx website.
00:05It's where Americans can purchase prescription medications at a heavily discounted rate
00:10without having to go through insurance.
00:12Are you looking for prescription drugs?
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00:22At TrumpRx, we know drugs.
00:24I said, well, let's see how we say that.
00:28I said, I'm minifin.
00:31Using an advanced mathematical formula, TrumpRx guarantees the lowest priced drugs.
00:37We are going to be reducing drug prices by a thousand percent, by 900, 600, 500, 1200.
00:45Let's just say it's a lot.
00:47But most importantly, Trump drugs are safe.
00:49Because at TrumpRx, all drugs are thoroughly tested by our own in-house drug expert.
00:54Donald Trump Jr. is on cocaine.
00:57It's the Late Show with Stephen Colbert.
01:02Tonight, Shut Down and Dirt.
01:06Plus, Stephen welcomes Lady Gaga.
01:13Featuring Lewis Kato and the Late Show Band.
01:18And now, live on tape from the Ed Sullivan Theatre in New York City, it's Stephen Colbert!
01:26Thank you!
01:32Thank you very much.
01:33Thank you very much.
01:35Hello.
01:37Thank you!
01:38Welcome, welcome, friends, Romans, countrymen, to The Late Show.
01:55I'm your host, Stephen Colbert.
01:56Ladies and gentlemen, as I speak, as I speak, we are on day two of the government shutdown.
02:05There's no end in sight.
02:06Services are closed.
02:07Federal workers are going without pay.
02:09Things are so rough, Uncle Sam is already selling feet pics.
02:15Those little piggies.
02:17Now, pretty good.
02:19Yeah.
02:20Give them a 4.3 on WikiFeet.
02:22Wow.
02:23Wow.
02:24Donald Trump, of course, has tried every possible option to end the shutdown.
02:29He's blamed Democrats.
02:32Not only...
02:34Not only, but also, not only is Trump not trying to negotiate an end to the shutdown,
02:41he's now using it as a way to squash things he doesn't like, touting his shutdown as an
02:48unprecedented opportunity to cut more Democratic priorities.
02:52Yes.
02:53Yeah.
02:53Yeah.
02:53No, it's not a shutdown.
02:56It's a shut-portunity.
02:58You know what they say?
03:00When God closes a food inspection program, he opens a listeria eyebreak.
03:05What words to that effect?
03:08What words to that effect?
03:10Listeria eyebreak.
03:13Now, this isn't the first government shutdown.
03:16This has happened many times before, even since we've been doing this show.
03:19There's a process that you follow.
03:21When a shutdown starts, people are what's called furloughed, okay?
03:25They don't come to work.
03:26They're not paid.
03:27But when the shutdown's over, everyone gets their job back, often with back pay.
03:31But now, Trump is threatening to use this excuse to fire a whole bunch more people from the
03:38federal government, posting, Republicans must use this opportunity of Democrat forced
03:45closure to clear out Deadwood.
03:48And I'm told, is this true?
03:50I'm told we have a response from the Deadwood.
03:52Morning.
03:53Best time of day to go, f*** yourself.
03:57Yeah.
03:59That's true.
04:00That's true.
04:00Best part of waking up.
04:03F*** it in your cup.
04:09Keep in mind, my friends, Republicans control all three branches of government, including
04:14both chambers of Congress.
04:15But somehow, somehow, none of this is their fault.
04:19The Democrats should know that they put the White House and the president in this position.
04:24And if they don't want further harm on their constituents back home, then they need to reopen
04:29the government.
04:30It's very simple.
04:31Pass the clean continuing resolution.
04:33And all of this goes away.
04:35Wow.
04:36That is weirdly threatening.
04:39Can we see that from another angle?
04:42Pass the clean continuing resolution.
04:44And all of this goes away.
04:46I got it.
04:56I still got it.
04:58I still got it.
05:03Not AI.
05:06Ted Cruz also weighed in to say how fun he thinks
05:09it is that only Democrats would be affected.
05:12President Trump is going to use that as an opportunity not to tell people you're furloughed
05:19for a few days, but instead to send pink slips and to get rid of left-wing bureaucrats who
05:25are imposing left-wing priorities that are contrary to President Trump's priorities.
05:31Yes, we need to get rid of people who are contrary to President Trump's priorities.
05:36And what are those priorities again, Ted?
05:39Let's stop attacking pedophiles.
05:42Okay.
05:43Okay.
05:46I thought that's what the...
05:47I think that's...
05:49That fits.
05:50That fits.
05:51Oh, I'm sorry, Ted.
05:52One more thing.
05:53No more beardos.
05:55The Trump administration is using this shutdown really to punish anyone who didn't vote for
06:02him.
06:03They're cutting funding for federal projects in 16 states, all of which voted for Kamala
06:08Harris in last year's election.
06:09For instance, here in New York, they froze $18 billion in federal funds for New York City's
06:15mass transit system.
06:17You think you can scare New Yorkers?
06:20Really?
06:25You think...
06:26Come on, man.
06:27You think...
06:28And you think you can scare New Yorkers by making the subways worse?
06:33I once saw a man on the F train crack open and eat an entire aluminum tray of chicken
06:40alfredo.
06:41It was 7 a.m.
06:43Nobody blinked.
06:45They've also...
06:46They've also frozen $8 billion in climate projects across 16 blue and purple states.
06:54Oh, so just the blue and purple states.
06:56That's good, because if we know anything about climate, it doesn't cross state lines.
07:00You ever see a tornado go through the Holland Tunnel?
07:03No.
07:04Case closed.
07:05Wait.
07:06Hold on.
07:07Hold on one second.
07:08Million-dollar movie idea.
07:10Tornado goes through Holland Tunnel.
07:13Finds love, question mark?
07:16Title, tunnel twister.
07:18Call Mark Wahlberg.
07:19Could you get this to Wahlberg?
07:22Just send Wahlberg the phone.
07:24Just send him the phone.
07:25Or Donnie.
07:26Either one.
07:27CBS.
07:28Now, folks, in case you're wondering just how one-sided all of this retribution is,
07:33the Office of Management and Budget has not publicly announced cuts that affected a state
07:38that backed Trump in 2024.
07:40Well, that is good news.
07:42Look, that is good news for federal projects in red states.
07:45Like North Dakota's Ronald Reagan oiled field and memorial whorehouse.
07:50You know their slogan, drill, baby, drill.
07:53That's also from Deadwood.
07:57I think that's in Deadwood, too.
08:00The sticking point of the shutdown negotiations has been healthcare.
08:03The Democrats want to restore some of the Affordable Care Act benefits the Republicans
08:07cut earlier this year in the big, beautiful bill.
08:10Or, as the Republicans describe it...
08:12They want to give taxpayer-bumped healthcare benefits to illegal aliens.
08:16We won't agree to restore healthcare to illegal aliens.
08:20The Democrats are demanding free healthcare for illegal aliens.
08:22The Democrats, their whole argument is,
08:24we are going to shut down the government unless you give a trillion dollars for medical benefits
08:29for illegal aliens.
08:30No, it's not their argument, Beardo.
08:33It's not...
08:36No one's proposing that.
08:39That's...
08:44That's not true, right, TV peoples?
08:47That is not true.
08:49Illegal immigrants are not eligible for federal healthcare programs.
08:52Undocumented immigrants cannot sign up for the Affordable Care Act coverage.
08:57To be clear, this is not true.
08:59Undocumented immigrants are banned from federally funded healthcare programs.
09:04Yeah, and if you're just gonna completely make up stupid fear-marguring arguments,
09:09at least make them fun.
09:11Ladies and gentlemen, Democrats are spending trillions of dollars so they can Jurassic Park your children.
09:17It's shocking.
09:18They're gonna trap your child in amber, suck out the baby blood, and then turn your child into little T-Rexes.
09:26The worst part is...
09:28The worst part, ladies and gentlemen...
09:30They'll never be able to hug you.
09:33��ster...
09:42Acting.
09:43Not A.I.
09:44Trump, he's so desperate to tell a lie, the Democrats want to throw a medical money party at the undocumented,
09:55THAT HE HAS SPENT THE PAST FEW DAYS POSTING A.I. GENERATED RACIST MEMES
10:00DEPICTING HOUSE MINORITY LEADER HAKIM JEFFRIES WEARING A SOMBRERO
10:04AND A MUSTACHE. THIS IS HOW...
10:10THIS IS NOW OUR LEVEL OF POLITICAL DISCOURSE.
10:13THIS IS WORSE THAN THE LINCOLN DOUGLAS DEBATES WHEN ABE SAID,
10:17HERE'S A DRAWING I DID OF MR. DOUGLAS EATING HORSE DROPPINGS.
10:20DON'T VOTE FOR POOPY DOUG.
10:23NO. THEY DON'T TEACH YOU THAT IN SCHOOL.
10:28NOW, THE WHITE HOUSE HAS GOT A LOT OF BLOWBACK FOR SUCH INFANTILE BIGOTRY,
10:32BUT AT LEAST J.D. VANCE DID THE RIGHT THING AND DOUBLED DOWN.
10:35IS IT HELPFUL TO POST PICTURES OF LEADER JEFFRIES IN A SOMBRERO
10:39IF YOU'RE TRYING TO HAVE GOOD-FAITH TALKS WITH HIM?
10:41OH, I THINK IT'S FUNNY. THE PRESIDENT'S JOKING,
10:44AND WE'RE HAVING A GOOD TIME. I'LL TELL HAKIM JEFFRIES RIGHT NOW,
10:47I MAKE THIS SOLEMN PROMISE TO YOU THAT IF YOU HELP US RE-OPEN THE GOVERNMENT,
10:51THE SOMBRERO MEMES WILL STOP.
10:53OKAY. OKAY. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT.
10:56IF THAT'S HOW WE'RE DOING IT, J.D., THEN WE HERE AT THE LATE SHOW ALSO ENJOY HUMOR.
11:00WE'VE CREATED OUR OWN FUNNY GOOD TIME ANIMATION BASED ON SOMETHING THAT ISN'T REAL
11:05TO HELP END THE SHUTDOWN. ENJOY.
11:15WE'RE JOKING. WE'RE JOKING.
11:21WE'RE HAVING A GOOD TIME. COME ON. IT'S A JOKE.
11:28WE'RE HAVING A GOOD TIME. IT'S... IT'S FUNNY.
11:33AND I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, HERE'S THE DEAL.
11:35IF YOU RESIGN AS VP, I WON'T KEEP SHOWING THAT EVERY CHANCE I GET.
11:40AND... AND... AND...
11:45I DEFINITELY WON'T PUT IT ON ALL OF OUR SOCIALS SO PEOPLE CAN SHARE IT,
11:50AND MAYBE ROLL OUT A LOOP DURING THEIR HOLIDAY PARTIES THIS YEAR.
11:55TRUMP IS NOT THE ONLY POLITICIAN TURNING TO HIGH TECH THESE DAYS.
11:59SO IS FORMER NEW YORK GOVERNOR AND MAYORAL CANDIDATE ANDREW CUOMO,
12:03WHO JUST RELEASED THIS AI-GENERATED AD.
12:06I'M ANDREW CUOMO, AND I COULD PRETEND TO DO A LOT OF JOBS.
12:11BUT I KNOW WHAT I KNOW, AND I KNOW WHAT I DON'T KNOW.
12:14AND I DO KNOW HOW TO MAKE GOVERNMENT WORK.
12:17THERE ARE A LOT OF JOBS I CAN'T DO.
12:20BUT I'M READY TO BE YOUR MAYOR ON DAY ONE.
12:23WOW, I GOTTA SAY, IT IS REALLY BRAVE TO MAKE YOUR CAMPAIGN MESSAGE,
12:27ANDREW CUOMO WOULD SUCK AT MOST THINGS.
12:30WE GOT A GREAT SHOW FOR YOU TONIGHT.
12:33I'LL BE TALKING TO LADY GAGA.
12:36STICK AROUND.
12:38STICK AROUND.
12:40STICK AROUND.
12:41STICK AROUND.
12:42STICK AROUND.
12:43STICK AROUND.
12:46STICK AROUND.
12:49Oh, my goodness.
13:04Give it up for Luis Cato and the Late Show Band.
13:07The greatest band on TV right there.
13:10Bar none.
13:12Come on, man.
13:13Bar none.
13:14Come on, man.
13:15You guys, anybody over there, we're about to go on.
13:18We're about to go on a very brief fall break.
13:20Anybody over there got any big plans for the fall?
13:22Anybody?
13:23I'm going to Mexico.
13:24You're going to Mexico?
13:25Yeah.
13:26Is this for work or for play?
13:28For a wedding.
13:29Oh, for?
13:30Okay.
13:31Is it for your wedding?
13:32No.
13:33All right.
13:34Just checking, because I didn't get you anything.
13:37Oh, that's fantastic.
13:39Yeah.
13:40Do not try to bring CBD into Mexico.
13:44Oh.
13:45It is legal here in the United States.
13:47Yeah.
13:48Not legal in Mexico.
13:49Oh.
13:50I did not know that.
13:52Oh, my.
13:54Funny story that I will never tell in front of a judge.
13:59Okay.
14:01All right.
14:02Folks, a few weeks ago, I had the rare opportunity to sit down with Lady Gaga,
14:09the pop superstar slash fashion icon slash LBGTQ advocate slash movie star, who has sold over
14:17170 million records and won 14 Grammys.
14:21Now, right now, Gaga is on a sold-out tour, playing the world's most famous venues, including the Ed Sullivan Theater for our 10th anniversary.
14:29Saw your face in my eye.
14:30Saw your face in my eye.
14:31And a picture right up inside.
14:32It was cold in the eye.
14:33Summertime, we were happy just to be alive.
14:34Can I vanish into you?
14:35Can I vanish into you?
14:36Can I vanish into you?
14:41Can I vanish into you?
15:06The next morning, Lady Gaga met me in Greenwich Village at the Bitter End, the storied venue where Stephanie
15:12Germanotta first performed as Lady Gaga, and coincidentally, where I also first performed as Lady Gaga.
15:19.
15:26.
15:30.
15:33.
15:38Took me forever to teach her that choreography.
15:40.
15:41We sat down to discuss her art, her career, and her newfound happiness.
15:45Thanks so much for being here.
15:47I am so happy to be here.
15:49It's my pleasure.
15:50Before we begin, do you prefer I call you Lady Gaga or Stephanie?
15:54That's a good question.
15:56Well, what do you think of yourself as?
15:58Like, if somebody wakes you up, slaps you across the face in the middle of the night, and says, what's your name?
16:01Stephanie.
16:02Stephanie.
16:03Yeah.
16:04Okay.
16:05I always feel weird saying that, because I'm like, what do you want to call me?
16:08Well.
16:09Because I feel like sometimes I make people uncomfortable, and I'm like, call me Stephanie.
16:12They're like, whoa.
16:13Is there a difference between Stephanie and Lady Gaga?
16:15Yeah.
16:16Okay.
16:17Well, yes.
16:18Yes.
16:19Sort of.
16:20Yes.
16:21Is it a stylistic difference, or is it an amplification of who Stephanie is?
16:25I would say that Stephanie is like me, the artist, the creator, and Lady Gaga is my creation.
16:39Your creation, that you get to ride around it.
16:42Yes.
16:43And I get to wear her out.
16:45What does it do for your art to have a persona to inhabit as a performer, and does that ever get in the way of something else you want to do?
16:54I would say that creating Lady Gaga was a way for me to become something that I felt I didn't already have inside of me.
17:07It was sort of like the star I always wanted to be.
17:12And I knew that I had musical talent, and I had things I wanted to say, but I was just deeply insecure my whole childhood.
17:22So I, like, created this other thing to give me wings.
17:30And it was also kind of born after some really tough experiences in New York.
17:36Like, professional experiences?
17:37Yeah.
17:38And personal.
17:39It was so hard that I, like, I changed my name.
17:42And it was like a new beginning.
17:45But I created something that felt exciting and artistic and creative and imaginative, but also safer than, I think, the way I felt.
17:59Why safer? Because Gaga was the one who was pursuing and experiencing fame and not Stephanie?
18:07I think it was kind of like this thing where I could safely leave behind all the hard stuff that I went through and inhabit, like, a new persona of someone that was really strong and resilient and tough that you wouldn't want to mess with.
18:23Also, Lady has status.
18:25Yeah, a lady does have status. And also manners.
18:28Yes.
18:29Yeah.
18:30Right. And Gaga doesn't.
18:32And how old were you when you become Gaga?
18:34Nineteen.
18:35That's really early to know that you need that.
18:37Yeah, well, it was really early that some messed up things happened.
18:41So is Gaga in some way like a, um, this sounds pejorative, but it's not.
18:46Is it protect, is it a creative armor that allowed you to walk back onto what you perceived as a hostile territory, but with ownership?
18:54That is a beautiful way of saying it, actually.
18:57Yeah, it was kind of like a way that I could feel safe. Um, because I felt like, I think about, I thought if I made it weird and creative, it wouldn't be sexy to anyone.
19:13Mmm.
19:14And then I felt as a woman protected in a very male dominated industry that, um, was hard to navigate.
19:22Could you write a biography of Gaga that's entirely different than yours?
19:26No.
19:27No.
19:28So it's not a separate background. There's not a separate backstory to Gaga that exists that we don't know about.
19:33No, I think we share a backstory.
19:35Yeah, it's kind of like we share a soul. It's so weird to talk about myself this way.
19:39Exactly.
19:40Is there any way in which you disagree with Lady Gaga? That Stephanie disagrees with Lady Gaga?
19:44Yes. Now.
19:45Okay.
19:46Yeah.
19:47I just feel like she can put her, her sword down.
19:51You know?
19:52What?
19:53She still has the sword up and you like, she can put it down?
19:55I just feel like she's always fighting.
19:57Oh, wow.
19:58You know?
19:59Yeah.
20:00There's always like something tough.
20:01But I, I think in a way that is what this tour has been about.
20:05It's this kind of battle between intensity and, um, you know, what it means to be the jockey and the horse.
20:14You're known for your iconic looks. And I'm wondering whether you think I could pull off any of them.
20:21This is, I think this is, do you think I could do the dark bangs?
20:29I really, it's the, it's the brows. It's the eyebrows.
20:32It's the brows?
20:33Well, it's the, it's the, you've got the bleached eyebrows and I thought maybe.
20:36This is excellent.
20:37I really like this look.
20:39It's not bad.
20:40It's pretty great.
20:41It's not a bad look.
20:42Why not?
20:43Yes.
20:45When in Rome.
20:46Oh.
20:47Here's another one.
20:48Here's another one.
20:49Oh.
20:50You know.
20:53It's a nice casual accessory.
20:54Thank you so much.
20:56It's really, bleached eyebrows really do make people uncomfortable, don't they?
20:58It does.
20:59I apologize.
21:01When we come back, Stephanie talks about her earliest performances as Gaga.
21:13Hey, welcome back.
21:14Welcome back to all the little monsters watching tonight.
21:26We now return to my interview with Lady Gaga.
21:28We're here at the Bitter End in Manhattan and I understand this place has a special meaning to you.
21:33Very special.
21:35I think the first time I performed here I was 14.
21:39Just, was it with a band, you and the piano?
21:41I was by myself.
21:42I just, I just played it.
21:44I believe it, it's that piano that's right there.
21:47They tuned it for me.
21:48I remember, I couldn't believe they did that for me.
21:51Do you remember what your set was?
21:53It was all original songs that I had written.
21:58I think I did about maybe eight to ten songs.
22:02What night of the week?
22:03I thought it was like a Tuesday.
22:05Yeah.
22:06Because there was just no way they were going to give me a Friday or a Saturday.
22:09Sure.
22:10But I performed here until I was, I don't know, I guess I was at least 17 I was still playing here.
22:19I have, um, my, my mom kept these.
22:27They're flyers.
22:28Wow.
22:29That, uh, I made.
22:30I used to go to the copy shop and make those.
22:34Oh, that's great.
22:36When I became Lady Gaga, uh, people would then come see the show and they would, if they liked it, they would leave their name and their email and their number.
22:46And that's actually a very important piece of paper that has some people on it.
22:50You still physically have this?
22:51Yeah, I do.
22:52My mom said that she kept this pen.
22:54This is the clipboard and the pen from the background.
22:56Sure, it's got the...
22:57Sorry, we took the clipboard.
22:58And then here is the same clipboard I drew like a, like a hit list of who I wanted to talk to.
23:06Wow.
23:07And it's Island Def Jam.
23:08Universal.
23:09And, uh, UK Universal.
23:11And then I, there's little flowers and hearts and...
23:15And how long before this happened for you?
23:17Between this piece of paper and you talking to those people?
23:19Um, I'd say a couple years.
23:22And then, uh, this is when my, I signed my first record deal.
23:26Oh my God.
23:30So what are you, all of you?
23:31I was 19, I believe.
23:33Yeah, I was 19.
23:34That's a very Cyndi Lauper kind of pose you got there.
23:37You know, thank you.
23:38It was, this was with Island Def Jam and I got dropped, uh, a few months later.
23:43Oh, wow.
23:44But that was my first record deal.
23:45Wow.
23:46Well, what's that?
23:47So, so, that excitement right there and a couple months later you get dropped.
23:49Do they say why?
23:50I just think at the time they just didn't totally get it, but, um...
23:54But then how do you feel?
23:55So what, where are you with, if you got this excitement there and then a few months later you get dropped?
23:59It was one of the hardest things that ever happened.
24:04I mean, it was a very crazy experience.
24:07A lot was happening at once.
24:09Yeah, it was really hard.
24:11How far are we from where you grew up?
24:13I grew up uptown.
24:14We're quite a ways away from there.
24:16West side?
24:17Upper west side.
24:18Upper west side.
24:19Okay.
24:20But I moved when I was 17 to about 20 blocks from here, just on the east side.
24:27For non-New Yorkers, can you compare the vibe of the Lower East Side and the Upper West Side?
24:34Very different.
24:35Very different vibes.
24:37The Upper West Side will always be a special place in my heart because it's where I grew up.
24:42But I just, you know, I didn't really, like, fit in at school.
24:47And when I moved to the Lower East Side here, I just, like, found my people.
24:53And when I would come here to play, this was, like, the most joyous and the most, like, warmth that I ever felt.
25:03Because I would walk in and it was like an instant family.
25:07And when you build community like that with people, you start to believe you've got something.
25:13And you feel held by them, you know?
25:16And that was very powerful.
25:19I'm very humbled sitting here with you, you know?
25:23Because it's, like, this is where it just all started.
25:28And my love of music and my love of community, my love of musicians, my love of writing songs and producing, like, it's as old as this carpet.
25:40All right, Mets or Yankees?
25:42Yankees.
25:43Yankees.
25:44Yankees, okay.
25:45Knicks or Nets or Liberty?
25:46Knicks.
25:47Knicks.
25:48Best corner of New York City?
25:5172nd Street, Grace Papaya.
25:54Best slice?
25:56Grace.
25:57Worst subway line?
25:59I think it's the L.
26:01The L?
26:02Why does it take so long?
26:05The L takes forever.
26:07Forever I spent on the L.
26:09Bagel order.
26:11Okay.
26:12Okay.
26:13So there's, like, two bagel orders.
26:15Okay.
26:16Because there's the TBB, there's the toasted butter bagel, just, like, easy walk-in TBB.
26:22Sure, sure.
26:23Or, like, lox, cream cheese, tomato, salt and pepper.
26:28All right.
26:29I dare you to rank the Burroughs.
26:32No one's going to be upset.
26:34Not a chance.
26:35No one will be insulted.
26:36This is a trap.
26:37Just start with Staten Island.
26:38That's it.
26:39That's a trap.
26:40Forget it.
26:41When we return, Lady Gaga talks about performing to 2.5 million people in Brazil.
26:47Stick around.
26:48Welcome back, everybody!
27:02And now the next chapter of the Stephen Colbert, Lady Gaga interview.
27:11Which one is me and which one is her?
27:12Keep watching to find out.
27:13Your debut album, The Fame, came out in 2008.
27:16Yeah.
27:17It's hard to overstate what a splashy debut that was.
27:20Did you have any idea what you were getting yourself into at the ripe old age of 21?
27:24No.
27:25No.
27:26No, no.
27:27What was most shocking about it?
27:29The music industry was, like, very, very challenging.
27:35And I don't mean just, like, the process of trying to get discovered.
27:42It was the system was very daunting.
27:48And it felt really scary.
27:51But it was tough.
27:52And at this point, you're already a Lady Gaga.
27:55So, you've had experiences that led you to create, as we said, this creative armor that
28:00empowered you.
28:01That's right.
28:02So, I was really tough.
28:04I mean, I white-knuckled my way through a very long period of my career.
28:10I just had my head down and I just worked and worked and worked all the time.
28:16And I just did what I had to do to have my music be heard by an audience.
28:24I would say that I sort of had this reckoning with myself that the real battle that I was
28:31going through was with me and not with being famous.
28:35Who won?
28:36I mean, I think, ultimately, I'm okay.
28:40I'm doing good now.
28:42But fame was, like, a huge challenge for me.
28:47But I think, also, the duality of being Stephanie and being Lady Gaga was the bigger challenge.
28:53And, like, figuring out how to integrate those two things, like, psychologically, for me,
29:00was, that was, like, my big forever work.
29:04You're currently on tour in support of your latest album, Mayhem.
29:08In May, you even broke a record for the highest attended concert in Rio by a female artist.
29:13And the top five most attended concerts of all time with 2.5 million people.
29:20What changes or doesn't change about a show of this size versus when you play places like The Bitter End?
29:29Like, what did you learn here that's applicable to 2.5 million people?
29:34When you open your mouth to sing a song, it is your job to reach right into the heart of the audience.
29:45Whether there is 20 people that you begged to come so that you could play at The Bitter End, or if it's millions of people.
29:56My job is the same. And I've always known that, I think.
30:02That's always why I wanted to make music was to, I think, to connect to people.
30:07And what a special moment that was. Never could have prepared myself for that feeling.
30:15But I'll tell you something. I remember being just as nervous for the performance in Brazil as I was the first time I sat at that piano.
30:23And I was just, I used to just, you know, I was not a performer that usually sang flat.
30:30If I was off, I was sharp, because I was so anxious.
30:36Yeah, I never, I mean, the minute I got on stage and I saw all those people, I was like, over, I thought I was going to pass out. I was overcome.
30:44I interviewed Bruce Springsteen about his biography, which is very beautiful.
30:48And one of the things he talks about, and we talked about on the show, was what he calls the magic trick.
30:53And that there's a magic trick that happens with the audience. And there's a moment of transcendent connection.
31:00And he goes, it can happen in various parts of any concert. But it's a successful moment for him. And that's his goal.
31:08Do the songs, yes. But the trick, the magic trick is the goal.
31:12Yes.
31:13Do you have a similar moment of feeling where you know, okay, I am performing for 2.5 million people, but I know that I can reach out and touch the shoulder of the person in the last row?
31:26Yes, I think that I'm always striving for that moment. And you know, it's funny you bring up Bruce, because I think Bruce, in a way, like, taught me about that moment from his music and from my father.
31:42Because listening to Bruce, especially his live recordings, you know, he had this way of putting himself and you just so close together.
31:55I just, I felt like I knew him. I remember the first time I met him, I was so, I couldn't believe he came to my show.
32:02And I was so overcome with emotion, because I felt like I knew him. And I felt like he had narrated my childhood, my life. I felt like I understood my father, because of Bruce's music, because my dad grew up in Jersey.
32:20That magic trick that magic trick that he's talking about. I think what he's trying to say is like, we've all got this like goal of the soul when we're on stage.
32:31And it's it's it's it's to touch somebody and hopefully move them and move them in whatever way they need.
32:41You know, it's not for me to decide what somebody in the audience needs for me. It's just, I think, for me to try to offer it.
32:49When we come back, Lady Gaga talks about her recent engagement.
33:03Hey, everybody.
33:05And now the thrilling conclusion of what historians are already calling my interview with Lady Gaga.
33:12There's a theory that artists have to suffer in order to create great art. And it's one of the aspects of human experiences.
33:18Therefore, there's a way to connect with other people, since life itself can be a form of suffering for many people.
33:24You seem like you're in a very good place right now. And is a happy artist as productive as the one who is what would be perceived of as tortured?
33:35Without a doubt. I mean, I think.
33:38So it's not a burden you have to care. You don't have to carry trauma in order to.
33:42No.
33:43To speak to it.
33:44No, no, no. I but I understand why people feel this way. This is an age old tale of this, this tortured artist suffering for their art.
33:55I think my long time friend, Sarah Tano and makeup artist today, she said to me, she said, you know, when I see you, I see how much love has changed your life.
34:11Well, how much of the good place you're in right now has to do with your recent engagement to Michael Polanski? What has this man done for you?
34:21I mean, he's my best friend in the whole world. I mean, what can you say about your best friend?
34:27How'd you guys meet?
34:28We met through my mom.
34:30Oh, that's nice.
34:31Yeah, my mom met him. And she said, I think I met your husband. He just blew me away from the minute that I met him. And he, he always, I think, really saw me. And I think I always really saw him. And I felt that right away. And it was very powerful. It was something that I don't think I'd ever felt with anyone before, especially at that time in my life.
35:00And he's just like incredibly brilliant and sweet and kind. And he just like fights for me every day. And it, I think I felt for a long time like I was navigating this thing on my own and it was hard. And it's, it's not anymore. And I'm, I'm very lucky. I feel really grateful.
35:28How did he propose?
35:29We went rock climbing. We were in Utah. And after we got back, he proposed to me. And it was the happiest day of my life.
35:41I see the engagement ring. Wow. Thank you. Was this the rock you were climbing?
35:45No, but actually he proposed to me with a blade of grass and, um, tied into a ring.
35:54Uh, he made it into a ring and, uh, and then we made a song about it.
35:58Well, that's what people may not know is that he's not just your romantic partner and your husband to be, and doesn't just support your career. He's a creative partner.
36:06Yes.
36:07As well. Um, executive producer on mayhem and pair of you co-wrote songs.
36:12Yes.
36:13On that. Did that make you nervous at all to, to work with your loved one? I mean, my wife, Evie and I, I, we always wanted to do something together, but I was always very nervous because what if we didn't like it? What, what do you do then? What if it wasn't a good, you know, professional?
36:26What if it's not good?
36:27Because not every personal relationship is a professional relationship.
36:30That's true.
36:31Does it make you nervous at all?
36:32No, because it was, it was just so, um, natural and he, he has so much to offer as, um, like a poet, as a writer, as, um, a creative thinker.
36:51And when we're working together, he also like, he can push me in ways that I can't push myself. I'm sure you've experienced this with your wife, but they know things about you.
37:01She can give me notes other people do not get.
37:03Yeah. They know, they know things about you that you maybe don't always want to admit in your work.
37:10And, you know, he'll say like, is that really what you mean? Or do you mean this? Or, you know, is, is this really how you feel about that? Or I thought that that made you angry. That didn't make you feel happy.
37:24And like, it's kind of like someone that's able to help you confront things and go deeper.
37:32In 2018, I had the pleasure of gushing at you about your performance, uh, in A Star Is Born. And that was your film debut.
37:42Since then, you've continued to act. You've just popped up in the series Wednesday. And is that something you want to continue to pursue? Would you like to do Broadway?
37:52I, I would like to do many things. Yeah. I mean, I, all of these things are open. But I, what I really want is to be a mom. That's my, that's my next starring role, I hope.
38:03Good luck. Thank you.
38:04Well, you're already a mother monster. That is true.
38:07Is it still the little monsters? Yeah. Your fans still have a relationship?
38:10Well, whatever they want me to call them. Okay. Little monsters, monsters.
38:13Is there a Lady Gaga action figure? Probably.
38:17That, but that's it. It's like, um, at this stage in my life, I don't feel like a product anymore. And, um, what a change that has been. And I think that mayhem was me circling back. This album was me circling back to all of the music that I fell in love with.
38:41With my production style, my songwriting, my love of this like dark poetry and celebrating that it's mine. And I, I'm making it, you know, for me.
38:58And, um, and then I can feel empowered as a, as a woman in music, um, with a, with a beautiful partner that has my back every day. Um, being empowered as a woman in music is something that took me nearly 20 years to experience.
39:19And, um, um, I'm, I just feel so grateful to, to, to, to still be here. And I'm so aware with that piano so close to us, how, how long it took and, and what it took.
39:36Thanks so much for talking to me today. Thank you so much. It's always lovely. Thank you. Thank you for having me. And I just love you so much. And I'm just so happy to have had this talk with you today.
39:48Lady Gaga's latest album Mayhem is out now and you can catch her live on the Mayhem Ball Tour. Thank you again, Stephanie. We'll be right back.
40:18That's it for the Late Show. Good night.
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