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The Election Commission has released the final revised voter list for Bihar's upcoming assembly elections, following a Special Intensive Revision (SIR).
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00:00Hello and welcome. I'm Sorrel Mayrothra Kapoor. You are watching 5 Live. Over the next one hour, we'll bring you stories that demand your time, your attention, stories that should ignite you. And also, since this is 5 Live, at 5.30 every day, we bring you stories to inspire your healthiest, happiest lives. Stop scrolling. Let's get started. Let's tell you what's lined up on the program today.
00:25First up, we've got Vijay breaking his silence on the Karoor Stampede, justifying that he left Karoor to de-escalate the situation. He also says that he never faced something as painful. He has now asked the Chief Minister to target him and not his people.
00:41Then we've looked at multiple arrests in the Vijay Stampede deaths. Now, TVK, Netaz and Functionary arrested. The content creators have been held for insightful posts.
00:57And EPS now saying that the arbitrary arrests have been made in this case to hide Stalin's failure.
01:05The other big story we are breaking here on 5 Live. Election Commission has released voter list for the special intensive revision in Bihar.
01:16The SIR, as we keep calling it here on India Today. Final electoral rolls have been published.
01:21EC says voters can check their details in the voter list through the given link. What exactly is the link? We'll take you through that on the show.
01:29And then there is India's biggest terror fight let down. Shatamaram reveals how UPA terror in action.
01:37The former HM has admitted that UPA buckled under global pressure.
01:42Mantri Rajiju has attacked now Congress's 2611 kid glove approach, saying the contrast that we now face compared to Operation Sindhur under Bodhi.
01:52There's also the exclusive scoop that we've got for you in the molester Baba probe.
01:58Sleazy Swami's debauchery out in the open. Baba took a selfie with the air hostess.
02:05Stored snaps. Baba also took a screenshot of the girls' DPs.
02:10No remorse. He continues to go on with his brazen lies.
02:14The tariff fights, meanwhile, have turned filmy.
02:20India, now Indian movies, Bollywood faces 100% Trump tariff.
02:26The diaspora to pay more for Desi flicks.
02:29And also box office revenue set to be taking a hit with that.
02:35The news also coming in of Prime Minister Modi backing Trump's new Gaza plan,
02:39describing the 20-point proposal as a viable pathway to long-term and sustainable peace in the region.
02:47Hopes for all concerned parties to come together behind Trump's initiative.
02:53Meanwhile, let's tell you what's happening in Pakistan.
02:55Civil unrest has gripped Pakistan-occupied Kashmir.
02:58Thousands have taken to the streets in Muzaffarabad, in Mirpur, in Kottli and Neelam Valley,
03:05demanding abolishment of 12 refugee seats in the Assembly.
03:11Meanwhile, in Canada, let's tell you what's happening there.
03:14Ugly racism has peaked in Canada.
03:17Deeply racist anti-India posts, where the Indian national spots have turned into offensive images.
03:25This woman that you see on your screen right now was caught on camera abusing Indian Canadians.
03:31All this while Mahatma Gandhi's statue was vandalised in London,
03:36disturbing graffiti on Gandhi's statue in London.
03:41Indian High Commission has condemned it and also raised the complaint.
03:54Let's take you through some more news updates coming in this time on SIR.
03:58The election commission has now released the revised voter list of poll-bound Bihar
04:04after conducting the special intensive revision.
04:08The number of voters in the final voter list of Patna's district has actually not decreased,
04:14but increased by 1.63 lakhs compared to the draft voter list.
04:21The draft voter list released on August 1st, 2025, that's today,
04:26showed a total of 4.65 lakhs voters in Patna district.
04:32And now the total number of voters there is 4.81.
04:36It has gone up.
04:38Now, special intensive revision, or SIR, as we keep calling it.
04:43The process has obviously faced criticism from opposition parties.
04:46EC had dismissed the opposition claims of biased approach towards any political party.
04:51But how are we to take in account these numbers?
04:55How are we to assign and sort of ascertain what this really means?
05:00Because the number hasn't gone down.
05:02It was supposed to be a deletion process, a revision process.
05:04It has actually gone up.
05:06Of course, we're looking only at the Patna district and not all of Bihar as of now.
05:11Let's take this forward with my colleague Sneha, joining us now from the newsroom.
05:16Sneha, quite amazing, no?
05:17That we all thought that numbers will be excluded.
05:20That's what the political parties kept saying.
05:22But the number has actually gone up.
05:24How are we to make sense of this?
05:26Well, yes, Sonal.
05:27First of all, I'll just take you through what the Election Commission of India has said
05:31as far as the voter list here is concerned.
05:33Their advice, you know, this is the URL where you can check it up.
05:36Wherever your name is, if at all it has been deleted or not.
05:40But this is how you go about it.
05:42So voters.eci.gov.in is the URL.
05:47This is the URL that has been given out by the Election Commission of India.
05:50So this is how you go about checking if your name is there in the list or not.
05:54And remember, it is, of course, only for the state of Bihar.
05:58Controversial as this drive really was.
06:00It's limited to Bihar as of now.
06:02So once again, let our viewers just get a sense of this URL.
06:06It's voters.eci.gov.in.
06:09Search your name in the draft roll.
06:11This is how you go about doing it.
06:12So you select a state.
06:14The only option that drops down is Bihar because it's only Bihar.
06:17Epic number, of course, in that car that you have, the CAPTCHA.
06:20And then you submit it.
06:21For those others, in fact, interested or who want to go about doing this, essentially,
06:26they can do it in a different way as well.
06:29I'll try and get a sense of that too at this point in time.
06:33But this is one way you can, in fact, select the district and then get an idea of whether
06:38your name is there in this entire list or not.
06:41So this is the suggestion really in that sense from the Election Commission of India.
06:45This entire issue, the SIR revision drive has caused so much controversy, just so much
06:51heartburn.
06:51And of course, we're expecting it to move forward.
06:54If it does, if there are no legal hurdles also in that sense, there will be similar roles
06:57for, in fact, different other states moving forward.
07:03All right.
07:04Sneha there, taking us through how exactly you can check if your name has finally been
07:10revised and put into that, if you vote in Patna district, that is.
07:14But like we said, this is not just about Patna.
07:16It's about all of Bihar, which is going to poll soon.
07:19Let's also take this forward with my colleague Rohit Singh, joining us live from Patna.
07:23And Aishwarya Paliwal, joining us from New Delhi.
07:26Rohit, to you first.
07:28Too early to say perhaps, but are political parties saying anything about this just yet?
07:35How are we to look at this revised list at the moment?
07:43Well, Sonal, let me give you a small clarification as far as the Patna list is concerned, because
07:48what we know is that when the draft list was published on 1st of August, almost 4 lakh names
07:55were deleted.
07:56So out of that 4 lakh names that were deleted, then came the claims and objection period.
08:02And now after that claim and objection period is also over.
08:04And now that the final list is out, we are seeing that there has been an addition of 1
08:09lakh 63,000.
08:11It means that out of 4 lakh whose names were deleted, only 1 lakh 63,000 have been again
08:16added to the voter list.
08:18It means that there is almost 2 and a half lakh voters whose names have been deleted in Patna.
08:24So that is the case.
08:26And so names have been deleted.
08:28It's not that names have not been deleted.
08:30And as far as on the 1st of August, the draft voter list was published.
08:35Across Bihar, 65 lakhs voters' names were deleted.
08:40And now we are expecting that after the claims and objection period was also over.
08:44And now that the final list has also come out, there is a likelihood that there could be some
08:49names that may have been added back.
08:51So that figure of 65 lakhs name deletion is likely to come down.
08:56But as far as the overall list of voters is concerned, in the Lok Sabha election, there
09:02were 7.94 crores voters in Bihar.
09:05But that number is very certainly likely to come down for the Bihar Assembly elections.
09:11Back to you.
09:12Got it.
09:13Rohit, so what you're saying is that this is now the final list.
09:16No more revisions will be allowed on this one.
09:19If you've not made the cut to this lid, that means you cannot vote in this Bihar election.
09:23Is that clear?
09:28That is not exactly the case, Sonal.
09:30Because still the election commission has given some time period for the voters whose
09:35name are still not able, they are not able to find in the final voter list.
09:39They have at least 10 days more time to file, to submit their application for registration
09:44as a fresh voter.
09:46So there is a, it cannot be said that whose names are not in the final list, they will
09:51not be able to vote in the elections.
09:5410 days is the grace period, you can say, that has been provided to voters who wants to
09:59be enrolled as a fresh voter.
10:02They can do that in the next 10 days.
10:04Got it.
10:05And Rohit, is this entire exercise happening only online?
10:09I wanted to, I wonder how many people in Bihar will have access to internet to go and check
10:13and ensure that their name is there or fight for it.
10:16Like, is there any other way to do it apart from the website that Sneha just showed us?
10:20Well, see Snohan, rather than the voters going out and trying to find out now the responsibility
10:30and the onus is basically on the booth level agents of the political parties, because this
10:35list has been now released assembly-wise.
10:38So now the booth level agents of the political parties, they will have to go through it, all
10:42the lists, they have to scrutinize, and then they have to find out whose names have been
10:46deleted, whose names have been added, and they will make the voters also know about this,
10:51that the voters whose names have been deleted.
10:54So basically the onus lies on the booth level agents of the political parties to find out
11:00that how many voters in a particular assembly have been enrolled, whose names figuring in
11:05the final list, and how many names deleted from that.
11:09Got it.
11:10Thanks Rohit for all those clarifications over there.
11:12Ashwarya is also with us.
11:13Ashwarya, the chaos of a Bihar election has begun even before the elections have.
11:18Like I said, one wonders how many people will have access to tech, how many people will,
11:24you know, in our day-to-day life and voting percentage is anyway so low, how many people will
11:28go and check and recheck and fight to actually make that vote count.
11:33Any idea on how, I mean, for all reasons now, clearly the political parties, the opposition
11:38at least is not going to be very happy about it.
11:44Well, let me tell you what the opposition will do, Sonal.
11:47The opposition now will make sure that each and every BLA now goes to each and every household,
11:51and they bring this draft, they bring this role along with them, they check the names of
11:55all those that have not been done.
11:57And as our colleague Rohit was also pointing out, the next 15 days are very, very crucial.
12:01Just in case you do not find your name on the list, there is a provision through which
12:04you can upload your documents and you can give it to the Election Commission.
12:08The CEO of Bihar also is now personally being told by the Election Commission of India to
12:12make sure that just in case you do get these kind of requests, you need to speed up the
12:16process.
12:17And there are chances that we could see some names further being added.
12:20Let me tell you, the last SIR in the state of Bihar was done 22 years ago.
12:24And that's the reason why we are seeing such huge numbers.
12:26A lot of people who have shifted, they have two voting ID cards.
12:30It's not something that they have done because they want to vote at two places, but it just
12:34happened.
12:35A lot of people are dead.
12:36So that kind of thorough revision was something that was not being done.
12:39And this is just the big thing, Sonal, let me tell you.
12:41We will see the SIR taking place across the country.
12:44In the state of Assam, in the state of Tamil Nadu, those are the next states where we will
12:47see the SIR process taking place.
12:49For the opposition, the BLAs now will have to hit the ground running soon.
12:53All right.
12:54We leave it there for the moment.
12:55Thank you, Aishwarya and Rohit, for joining us with the very latest on that story.
12:59Only the list, the final list for Patna district is out yet.
13:04We'll have to see how it sort of expands all across Bihar.
13:0710 days notice period if you have not made the cut just yet.
13:11Also getting more updates on the Vijay's stampede story coming in from Tamil Nadu.
13:25Now, remember, just a while ago, we saw Vijay's emotional statement come out.
13:28We reported about it.
13:30And now a response has come.
13:32Tamil Nadu government has issued a counter to TVK saying that Vijay's claims on rally
13:36when you are actually false, saying that government has now countered the whole situation, saying
13:42not prepared for crowd charge made by Vijay and his party.
13:48Let's try and understand this a little bit in detail with Anagha joining us live.
13:53Now, Anagha, make sense of these claims and counterclaims that we are hearing from both sides now.
13:58In fact, firstly, the IAS officer Amudha is now giving explanations as to why this particular
14:08Belu Charmi road was allotted because there were a lot of claims that this particular road
14:13was not really a good choice of venue and that the administration deliberately gave a narrow
14:18and constricted road while declining TVK's earlier claims of a better road and that was
14:24Lighthouse Roundtana.
14:25So, it looks like the IAS officer has given an explanation.
14:29I am just going to read that out for you.
14:31In fact, she says that they first gave seven locations out of which the 26th location was
14:36allotted for the leader of opposition Nerepadi Parani Swami last week when he had his campaign.
14:42It was at the exact same spot where around 10,000 people came.
14:46This particular rally went around really well.
14:48There was no chaos, no stampede and ADMK's political rally at the same venue went fine.
14:54And that seems to have been the thinking behind why they gave TVK's the same spot.
15:00In fact, they also said that TVK had initially asked for a Lighthouse Roundtana but there
15:05was a petrol bunk that was very close.
15:07There was a petrol bunk and a water body, a canal that was very close to the location that
15:11TVK had asked for.
15:12And that's why the police had declined giving permission for this particular road.
15:17That's the Lighthouse Roundtana.
15:18And instead, they gave permission at Beluchami Road which they say was big enough.
15:24In fact, another claim against the ruling administration is that the authority could not gauge the crowd
15:31but the letter they gave and that seems to have been the reason why there was a stampede.
15:36For that, the administration has given an explanation as to the TVK.
15:40It was the TVK first who mentioned in their letter that only 10,000 people would gather.
15:45But instead, 20,000 plus people gathered which made it all the more difficult for crowd management.
15:51Got it.
15:52Clearly, Natal Asif's heard on the story just here.
15:54Thank you so much for joining us with the very latest updates on the story.
16:01All right, let's move on from that and bring you some more news.
16:04Did you know that every hour in India, three people are murdered, three women or girls are raped
16:13and nearly 10 people fall victim to cybercrimes?
16:18We're talking online scams, threats and even harassment.
16:21These aren't just numbers.
16:23This is the reality and it's crystal clear in the Crime Records Bureau report.
16:29The Crime in India 2023 report.
16:32Remember, they run late.
16:33They're only calculating two years behind as of now.
16:35So you can only imagine what the numbers would be like at the moment.
16:39It's finally released the National Crime Records Bureau after months of delay.
16:43And the report, considered the most comprehensive snapshot of India's law in order situation,
16:49does more than just tally cases.
16:52It mirrors how cybercrime is rewriting the meaning of safety in the digital age.
16:57In 2023, according to the report, cybercrime cases jumped 31% to over 86,000.
17:06That's nearly 10 cases every hour.
17:08The highest cybercrime case, nearly 22,000 in the year, were reported from the state of Karnataka,
17:16followed by Telangana, where just weeks ago, a 76-year-old retired doctor died of heart attack,
17:22remember, after being the victim of digital arrest.
17:24We had covered that story right here on Five Live.
17:26Now, the NCRB also says better reporting and easier FIR access have led to increase in the case numbers.
17:34But make no mistake, cybercrime in India is exploding,
17:39and the rapid rise of digital offences underscores the latest and the biggest challenge for India's law in order,
17:45which is largely just playing catch-up, never ahead of the curve.
17:49Now, as per the NCRB report, cybercrime is the fastest-growing category of crime in India,
17:55and this number will, should shock you.
17:59Nearly 70% of the cases of cyber fraud are the ones in which click, scam and gone.
18:07All your life savings are vanished in seconds.
18:11But it's also not just money.
18:14Thousands of other cases are of online sexual exploitation.
18:18Stolen intimate photos, blackmail, fake job offers and online stalking too.
18:23Crimes that leave victims financially trapped, emotionally scarred, and threats that haunt them 24-7.
18:30A lot of them don't even get reported.
18:32Remember, these are just the official figures.
18:34The digital world has become a new battleground.
18:38But the laws and police can't keep up.
18:40Because online, criminals are faster, smarter, harder to catch.
18:45So, NCRB's latest report there isn't just data, it's a warning sign.
18:50And cybercrime is no longer just a threat, it's a fast-growing crime in India.
18:54We constantly keep telling you here that you've got to stay alert,
18:59you've got to stay sceptical of anything that is too good to be true.
19:02And most of all, do not stay silent.
19:06Talk about it, report it.
19:08If you have nothing to be scared of, trust the authorities that they will try and get to the bottom of it.
19:14Well, those are the figures right now.
19:15But let's quickly cut across to our expert on the story.
19:19Jitin Jain is with us, he's a cyber security expert.
19:22Jitin and I have spoken for years now, talking about cyber security.
19:27For years, we've been talking about it as the biggest sort of scam that faces us,
19:32it's the biggest problem that we face online.
19:34It impacts everybody.
19:36Doesn't matter the gender, doesn't matter the size of your bank account,
19:40doesn't even matter which city you are from.
19:42It's sort of everywhere.
19:44Doesn't matter if you're a banker, doesn't matter if you're a politician,
19:47doesn't matter even if you're a journalist.
19:49It really is getting after anybody and everybody.
19:53So Jitin, as we look at these numbers, what is your initial understanding?
19:58One thing is very, very clear, that most, the highest growth in any kind of crime in India has come in cyber crime.
20:07But the minute I say that figure, the police is going to say that's only because reporting has gone up.
20:12This is exactly what happened post-Nirbhya on rape cases.
20:15When they said now people are talking more about it, so please don't blame us.
20:19It's just that people are reporting more.
20:21That's why the statistic has gone up.
20:22This is the play of numbers.
20:24Do you agree?
20:24Yes, I agree because you see the rise in the number of reported cases should be welcome
20:31because you would have seen in last decade or so, you know, first until up to 2013-14,
20:36police officials were hesitant to, you know, receive any cyber cases.
20:40A, because they did not, they lack the capacity to investigate.
20:43They have no idea how to seize and, you know, do the forensic devices,
20:47how to carry out investigations, forget about prosecution,
20:49or even then, you know, accused being sent to behind bars.
20:54So, you know, with the large training modules which have been imparted to police personnel across India,
21:01you now see in the last four or five years that, especially in cities like Mumbai, Delhi,
21:06or, you know, and southern states like Karnataka and Hyderabad,
21:09police have become more tech-savvy.
21:10They are more inclined to register cases.
21:12They try and investigate even if they're not able to prosecute.
21:14But they do try and investigate and recover your money.
21:17But the problem is, see, you know, this whole digitalization of our society and economy
21:22post-COVID has become a double-esport.
21:25On one hand, you know, Jandhan accounts, you know, Aadhaar card, Aadhaar email, KYCs,
21:31you know, the largest penetration of mobile phones at any society which is in India,
21:35availability of high-speed internet has, you know, given such, you know, great pleasures to our society.
21:39We can do remote education.
21:41We can, you know, do all these subsidy applications online.
21:44I mean, corruption has gone down, transparency for tenders, everything has, you know,
21:48the public service delivery has essentially gone in 100% automated online mode.
21:53But what has happened with more and more people logging in on the online devices for the first time in their lives,
21:59especially senior citizens, people living in remote areas who may have wealth but may not have cyber hygiene education,
22:06they are falling prey to scams every day.
22:09Now, there are three kinds of scams.
22:10The 92% of 94% of any kind of cybercrime which is reported is financial frauds, OTP frauds, you know.
22:1870% actually according to NCRB, but I understand what you're saying.
22:21Yeah.
22:22Yeah, the record data is always, you know, 10% of what the actual crimes are.
22:25Yeah, yeah.
22:26And they are the people who are able to report.
22:28You know, we are talking about the people who do not even know where the police station is.
22:31So, in my, you know, the studies we have spoken to, almost around 94-95% cases are of financial frauds.
22:38Of those 95%, 94% do not find any, you know, final conclusion because you are not able to prosecute or find that, you know, accused.
22:48So, only 1% remains solved and out of that 1% there is actually any prosecution and punishment.
22:56So, this is the figure.
22:57Now, 94% sonal, you will be shocked to know, 87-88% are scams which are less than 5,000 rupees.
23:05Now, when you scam a person, you know, for a rich man like, you know, some people use corn 1 or 2 lakhs, it is just a setback in his life or a loss.
23:13When you steal 5,000 rupees from a poor farmer in a village, you know, there is so many sacrifices.
23:20You are not stealing money, you are stealing dreams, future.
23:23And they are the people who do not even know how to write a complaint, forget about filing an FIR.
23:27They do not know how to lodge a complaint in 1930.
23:29These people are, so, and they don't report.
23:32They just lose the entire trust in the digital ecosystem, the dignity and their lifetime savings.
23:38But Jitin, I have last few minutes, so I want to ask you this.
23:41You know, on one hand, when we look at, when we look at this, the most important here is, bit here is that we now have, when you call someone, they tell you about fraud par mat phel ye.
23:51You have connections now, Airtel for example, which is coming out and say that we will call it a scam alert.
23:57You have banks who are now saying we have enrolled people and we will not allow all of this.
24:01But none of this is really working.
24:02We are always doing catch up.
24:04All of this works for rich people, not for 3,000 rupees poor farmer who is losing.
24:07So, this is one second, obviously, if you look at 1930 helpline, 22 lakh complaints, tell me how many people are manning that helpline.
24:14Not even 1,000.
24:16That's the problem too.
24:18Society is young.
24:19You are falling for this clickbait, this extortion scam.
24:21You randomly get a call from beautiful girls, you know, exposing you to nudity.
24:25And then they take photos or screenshot of you in an intimate position or, you know, in a new position.
24:29Then they blackmail you.
24:30Now, blackmail does not end with money.
24:33It carries on as a perpetual extortion because you are then scared to report because you want to save image and society, family and friends.
24:41So, the bigger and more dangerous the scam, there is less likelihood of it getting reported.
24:46And people commit suicides.
24:48People end up giving life savings.
24:49I have known people in friends and family circle who have given lots of rupees because somebody sitting in Pakistan conned them into some digital arrest, you know, this digital fake courier scams.
25:00And then extortion and this digital arrest scams are now on the rise.
25:04And they are very, very dangerous because they wipe you off your entire dignity life savings.
25:08And I think we as a society are completely struggling to catch hold of these people who are operating out of our country.
25:14So, I think we need to spend heavily, heavily on digital cyber education for our society.
25:19We need to empower our police at a public scale.
25:24Yes, we should.
25:25And I think what's required also is the fact that we can't let everybody fend for themselves because this is not a problem that can be tackled by individuals.
25:32Maybe next India to the Conflict should also be on cyber, should have a module on cyber like you do on health and wellness.
25:37Very good idea.
25:38I will take it up with the management.
25:39And I think that's a great one.
25:40We should do an entire conclave only on cyber fraud and cyber crime.
25:44On that lovely sort of advice that we've got from Jitun, let's show you another flip side of digital extortion.
25:50In this new age of digital extortion, companies are also bearing the brunt.
25:54From beer and cars to clothes and flights also.
25:57Yes, I'm still talking about cyber attacks and sort of accelerating at an unprecedented pace that they are.
26:03They're hitting the biggest names in business.
26:06Not just in money, but in consumer trust as well.
26:10Don't believe me?
26:11Well, look at this report and then you will.
26:13Japanese beer giant Asahi has been forced to halt production at multiple plants after a cyber attack crippled its systems.
26:29From beer to whiskey to soft drinks, the company's order processing, shipping and even call centres are down.
26:40With no clarity on when operations can resume.
26:43It's the latest in a growing wave.
26:49Earlier this month, Britain's biggest car maker, Jaguar Land Rover, shut down all three factories after a cyber breach.
26:56The Tata-owned luxury automaker, which makes about 1,000 cars a day, has been losing nearly £50 million a week as suppliers struggle and thousands of staff remain idle.
27:10Retail giants have not been spared either.
27:14Marks and Spencer, one of Britain's most recognized names, reported losses of around £300 million after a damaging cyber attack earlier this year.
27:24From retailers to airlines, cybercriminals are striking high-profile targets across sectors, disrupting operations and shaking consumer confidence.
27:37Think of it like a digital break-in.
27:40Instead of a burglar entering your house, it's someone getting into a company's network.
27:45The attacks can range from phishing emails, trying to trick someone into revealing passwords, or to ransomware attacks that lock up all the files on a computer system until a payment is made.
28:00Security experts warn the threat is global, costing over $20 billion a day.
28:06Attacks aren't just locking up files, they are stealing sensitive data and using it for extortion.
28:12More and more we're seeing this disturbing trend where they're shutting down operations by deleting or otherwise getting into our applications.
28:24And so it's not just ransomware, but it's extortion where they use that access, the locked up files, the information that they've stolen, and they hold that above us and they say,
28:35hey, if you don't pay us, we're going to leak your sensitive private information, and we're not going to get out of your network, and we're not going to let you unlock these files.
28:48For businesses, the risks go beyond downtime.
28:51Disrupted sales, damaged customer trust, regulatory penalties, and shareholder lawsuits all add up.
28:58Hackers are getting in because of simple mistakes where companies simply aren't locking the front door or, you know, closing the windows.
29:08And what I mean by that is remote access, right?
29:11We all set up remote access to facilitate our employees to come in and connect from home while they're on the road, etc.
29:18Too often, companies aren't securing this, which is creating that entry point for the attackers.
29:28And now, attackers are arming themselves with artificial intelligence, from deepfake videos to faster phishing campaigns.
29:37The good news here is that we're also seeing a sea change on the defense side, where there is technology that's bringing in AI capability that's allowing defenders to see the signal and the noise.
29:51So, to look at more information and have better visibility across the network, but see the threat in real time and take action faster.
30:02From beer and cars to clothes and flights, cyber attacks are accelerating at an unprecedented pace, hitting the biggest names in business.
30:16A new age of digital extortion, where the cost is counted not just in money, but in consumer trust.
30:23Bureau Report, Business Today TV.
30:31Welcome back.
30:33It's health o'clock.
30:35And today's new story pic is really going to be very fascinating, I'm sure for a lot of you.
30:40Ozempic is now in India.
30:43Ozempic, the global blockbuster and one of the biggest names of drugs, forget just weight loss,
30:49drugs has officially now got the green lights to enter the Indian market.
30:55India's drug regulators, the CDSEO, has approved it, but not for weight loss.
31:00That's a headline, remember.
31:01Instead, the approval is for type 2 diabetes and also for reducing the risk of serious heart problems and even kidney damage.
31:11Now, that's a first for India.
31:12Also, remember, India already has similar drugs with the same molecule available in the market.
31:19There is Vigovi, mainly for weight loss, and there is Manjaro, which treats both diabetes and obesity.
31:26Now, interestingly, Vigovi and Ozempic come from the same pharma company, Novo Nordisk.
31:32So, what's the difference?
31:34Why two drugs with the same molecule?
31:35Well, both contain semaglutide, right?
31:38And the same active ingredient that helps lower the blood sugar and as a side effect of it, it also brings down your weight.
31:45But Vigovi uses a higher dose.
31:48That's a simplified way of saying that it's been approved in higher dosages here in India and approved for weight loss.
31:55Ozempic, on the other hand, is a lower dose.
31:57Means approved for lower doses, targeted at type 2 diabetes.
32:01Now, with this approval, Novo Nordisk now has two injectable semaglutide drugs in India, plus their oral semaglutide pill as well.
32:10That's already available in India since January of 2022.
32:14The launch of this, remember, this is just an approval.
32:17That means it's not out in the market just yet.
32:19The launch will happen soon.
32:21But with this, we have another drug now.
32:24Another treatment option available for millions of Indians managing diabetes and its long-term complications.
32:32But how are you and I to sort of see this news?
32:34We've now done multiple stories on GLP-1 drugs and what they do.
32:38But let's try and take this Ozempic story forward with Dr. Rajesh Rajput joining us.
32:43He's the Director for Endocrinology and Diabetes at the Medanta Gurgaon.
32:48Dr. Rajput, thank you so much for your time.
32:50The confusion about so many drugs which have practically the same molecule, practically the same composition, sometimes from the same pharma company as well, but come under different names and is for different use.
33:06Can you simplify this for our audiences, please?
33:10Right.
33:10So, thank you very much for inviting me.
33:14Now, to understand and simplify this confusion which you are asking, we have to just go back into the history.
33:21Now, see, semaglutide as a molecule initially was researched in a clinical trial program which is known as SUSTAIN program.
33:31Now, based on SUSTAIN program where the dosage of semaglutide used is 0.25 milligram, 0.5 milligram and 1 milligram, the drug got approval from US FDA for treatment of type 2 diabetes irrespective of your BMI.
33:49See, here, BMI is not here, irrespective of your BMI, in 2017.
33:55So, it is 2017 when OSMPIC got approval for type 2 diabetes by US FDA.
34:02Got it.
34:02But then as the drug was researched, it was found that it also results, the usage also results in large number of weight loss, good degree of weight loss.
34:13So, the research continues and for weight loss, there is a clinical trial program which is known as STEP Clinical Trial Program.
34:20I was part of STEP Clinical Trial Program from India and based on STEP 1 Clinical Trial Program, in 2021, in a dose of 1.7 and 2.4 milligram, the drug got approval from US FDA for management of obesity.
34:42That is those people who are having BMI more than 30 or more than 27 with one or the other comorbidities like hypertension, dyslipidemia and diabetes.
34:54So, frankly, two clinical trial programs were done at different parts in the history.
35:00The drug for diabetes was launched in 2017, drug for obesity was launched in 2021 by US FDA approvals.
35:09And then to avoid this confusion and to keep the things simplified because the indication for use is different.
35:18So, in US regulatory, there are two names.
35:21Yeah, you are basically saying that Hyundai and Toyota, the engine is the same, it is just under two different brands.
35:28So, Maruti and Toyota, not Hyundai, Maruti and Toyota.
35:32Maruti and Toyota, thank you so much for correcting me and my auto knowledge over there.
35:36So, Maruti and Toyota have both the same engine but come under different brand names, it is basically that.
35:43So, people now have to, I think another news point out of this which has perhaps been missed out in other reports has been that this is perhaps for the first time,
35:52the drug controller has mentioned heart and kidney issues as to be used for a GLP-1 drug.
36:00That's happened for the first time?
36:01No, no, already the drug has approval from USFD.
36:05Again, it is based on Sustain 6 program and flow trial clinical program.
36:10Now, you know, in these two important trials, patient of type 2 diabetes who have established cardiovascular disease or in flow trial,
36:19patients of type 2 diabetes with established chronic kidney disease were studied.
36:24And when semaglutide ozampic in a dose of 0.25, 0.5 and 1 milligram is used, the results are very promising.
36:32In Sustain program, the three-point MACE, MACE stands for Major Adverse Cardiovascular Event, it is reduced by around 26%.
36:43And the NNT, that is number needed to treat, is only 45, which means you need to treat 45 patients for two years to prevent one MACE event.
36:53Similarly, in flow trial, the benefit is by 24%, which means if patients who are given ozampic, they have reduced risk of progression to ESRD,
37:07that is end-stage renal disease or requirement for dialysis or reduction of EGFR by more than 50% of CV death.
37:16So, these are very hard end-points. So, the drug has got benefit and that's why the regulators have given approval.
37:24Got it. Dr. Rajput, last question then. If somebody who is looking at treating diabetes with GLP-1, how much does the brand really matter?
37:34How much should they be thinking, should I go for ozampic, should I go for Vigovi, should I go for, you know, Manjaro?
37:40So, see, as a doctor, it is our duty to choose a brand is not important. For us, what is important is a drug, the molecule.
37:51Now, we are going to choose a molecule based on evidence which has been generated with that molecule.
38:00So, say for example, I will simplify this. I will see a patient of type 2 diabetes who has already suffered myocardial infarction, which means heart attack.
38:08Now, patient is also having diabetes. Now, I have to choose a drug. Then, based on that data, I am going to choose ozampic based on data.
38:19Similarly, based on flow clinical trial, if patient is having an EGFR of less than 60, presence of micro or macro LB minuria, type 2 diabetes,
38:28and patient is already receiving standard of care for management of CKD and diabetes, then probably it's time.
38:35We should also add ozampic in those patients because of the hard endpoints, benefits which has been shown with ozampic in these trials.
38:44So, it is duty of the doctor actually to find out who is the right patient for which molecule and even within the same molecule, which name or which brand.
38:54That's right. And I think the key takeaway for anybody watching is that please don't self-prescribe.
39:01Please go to an endocrinologist if you are curious about this and you want to understand more.
39:06Please do not ask your dermats for aesthetically wanting to take GLP-1.
39:10Please don't ask your dentist. Please don't ask anybody else. They don't know.
39:14Ask your endocrinologist. That's very important. We leave it there for the moment.
39:17Thank you so much, Dr. Shukla, for joining us.
39:19Thank you. Thank you.
39:23All right. Moving on to some more health news. Worrying one coming in this time.
39:27Mysterious death of 14 children in just 30 days.
39:31This isn't making headlines yet, but it should.
39:34In the past one month, 14 children under the age of 15 have died after being admitted to hospitals in Nagpur, Maharashtra, and in Chindwara, Madhya Pradesh.
39:43The cause? Still unclear. The doctors are calling it acute encephalitis syndrome, AES, a diagnosis,
39:50often used when the brain suddenly becomes inflamed or stops functioning, without any confirmed trigger.
39:56Now, here's what we know about this so far.
39:58Now, these children arrived with high fever and quickly deteriorated, some within 24 hours.
40:04Most went into acute renal failure, producing no urine.
40:08Several required dialysis and ventilator support. Six of the deaths were from paralysis and from Parasea Block in Chindwara,
40:16which is now being treated as a high alert zone.
40:20And all the children between 3 and 10 years old were the ones who were found to be infected by it.
40:26CSF and blood tests have ruled out any known bacterial or any viral infection as well.
40:32And as of now, the NIV, that's National Institute of Virology in Pune,
40:37and the NCDC, that's the National Center for Disease Control,
40:40have sent teams to that hotspot area to investigate and see what exactly is going on.
40:46Surveillance is being stepped up in rural Vidharb and nearby districts as well,
40:50admitted to also in Nagpur's hospital in similar condition.
40:53Doctors have begun classifying some of the newer cases as acute sort of encephalothopathy
41:00and rather than classical encephalitis in this case and subtle but more important difference
41:05that affects how these children are treated.
41:08But here's what we don't know.
41:11No exact cause has been identified.
41:14No known pathogen, no toxin known or any environment trigger that has been confirmed.
41:19Whether this is a new infection agent or poisoning or some environmental sort of, you know,
41:25environmental cause that's also under investigation.
41:29Why this is happening now?
41:31Why it's affecting, you know, otherwise healthy young children?
41:34We don't know.
41:35Whether there are any milder or undetected cases in the community?
41:38We don't know.
41:39Whether this is contained or if this could spread to other districts or states?
41:43We don't know.
41:44So a lot of unanswered questions and people are losing kids.
41:48Young kids are dying.
41:50Like I said, 14 kids in just 30 days.
41:53That's a worrying, worrying number.
41:55Let's cut across to Dr. Nihar Parikh now joining us.
41:57He's a pediatrician and director for Cheers Child Care.
42:00Dr. Parikh, very, very worrying news.
42:02You know, encephalitis, I thought that was largely a UP problem.
42:06I've reported from Gorakhpur for years to understand how it goes.
42:10It's a terrible, terrible disease.
42:13It generally spread across UP and Bihar.
42:15But in this area, we hadn't heard of this.
42:17What is your basic understanding of what's going on?
42:21So the understanding is still, we know what is causing the, we know the symptoms of the disease.
42:29But we don't know what is causing the disease.
42:32We don't know whether it's a viral.
42:33We don't know if it's a bacterial.
42:35We don't know if it's infectious or non-infectious.
42:38Non-infectious comes into the category of an autoimmune phenomena where a child's body recovers from an infection.
42:44But the body fights an infection much more aggressively than it should.
42:48And then technically starts hammering different blood vessels of the different parts of the body, causing multi-organ involvement, starting with the brain, kidneys and everything.
42:58So because what I read also and found out also that the blood, the tests that they did, the blood cultures, draining the fluid of the spine, checking for infections, has come clear for bacterial and viral.
43:11So still, we don't have evidence whether it's an infective pathology or a non-infective pathology, which goes in the favor of an autoimmune.
43:19But what is important and a takeaway message for all parents is that the minute the child has fever, if there are rashes followed by fever, if there is lethargy, giddiness, drowsiness, persistent vomiting, where the child is not able to retain,
43:35they should not sit at home and keeping in mind, keeping in mind this AES-like picture, they should show their pediatrician immediately because the most important thing is the diagnosis of AES in time and getting the right medication to reduce the pressure in the brain.
43:51Yes. Dr. Parikh, because this disease is now localized, it's happening in similar areas spread across the border.
44:02Doesn't that tell us about the kind of infection it could be?
44:06So again, it goes in two favors because, you know, this can be a viral or a bacterial and we have not pinpointed.
44:12Plus, National Institute of Virology is already on it.
44:15So soon we should find the cause, which is extremely important, but it's otherwise next possible to find out whether it is a post-infection phenomena,
44:26like a random infection causing this as a complication or the actual infection causing it.
44:31But isolating it, finding the cause of it, pinning it down to a bacterial or viral is of the key and the most important next step,
44:41which the people have reached there, the team, the task force is there and we should have an answer in the next 24 to 14 hours.
44:48And we'll keep a tap on those answers as well, just because the story is not happening in Delhi and Mumbai doesn't mean we shouldn't be worried about it.
44:53We should care about every child, Encephalitis largely does not, it's not a rich man's problem, largely said, but we should still keep an eye for it.
45:01Thank you, Dr. Parikh, for joining us with all those details.
45:06No problem.
45:06All right, with that, we've come towards the end, but this is Ashtumi, India is lighting up with colour, devotion and the dance
45:15as Durga Puja celebrations take centre stage today from the spectacular pandals and ideal immersion that honour the feminine divinity.
45:23We leave you with the sights and sounds of one of India's grandest festive season and it's just getting started.
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