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Hindsight can be truly horrifying... Join us as we look back at talk show moments that seemed innocent at the time but now appear deeply unsettling. Our countdown includes Kevin Spacey on Charlie Rose, Ellen's "Be Kind" persona, Michael Jackson with Oprah, and more! Which interview gives you the most chills when viewed through today's lens?
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00:00From there. Right. You need locks on the doors.
00:04Okay, this is sounding kind of dangerous now.
00:07Welcome to WatchMojo, and today we're looking at 10 talk show moments or sit-downs that seemed harmless then, but carry a darker meaning today.
00:14Do you think that by talking now, setting the record straight for yourself, that maybe people will be able to focus more attention on your music?
00:23Kevin Spacey's Interview with Charlie Rose
00:25Charlie Rose
00:26During the height of the hashtag MeToo movement, Brent actor Anthony Rapp spoke up against Kevin Spacey, and it marked the beginning of his downfall.
00:34He's here. He is an Oscar and Tony Award winning actor. He's also the artistic director of the Old Vic Theater in London.
00:41Up until then, Spacey had a polished public image as a two-time Oscar winner, celebrated theater actor, and respected artistic director.
00:48In a 2013 sit-down with Charlie Rose, he discussed playing Frank Underwood on House of Cards.
00:53At the time, it came across as a fascinating deep dive into his craft.
00:57What I think people might enjoy about Francis as a character is that he has no allegiances.
01:03He has no allegiance to party. It's not about Democrats or Republicans or ideology or passion.
01:09It's about opportunity to move forward.
01:12That's what he sees.
01:14But after his 2017 scandal, the interview feels unsettling.
01:17Suddenly, the line between Spacey and the manipulative character he played seems razor thin.
01:22We can't blame anyone who views him the same way they see Frank Underwood.
01:25We can go back and, I think, look through history at great leadership.
01:30And leadership that was strong and powerful and willing to do whatever they had to do in order to get something moving forward that actually benefited people's lives.
01:39Even more chilling, Rose later faced sexual misconduct allegations of his own.
01:42Ellen DeGeneres' Nice Act.
01:44The Ellen DeGeneres Show.
01:45Ellen DeGeneres wasn't just the bubbly host of her show.
01:48She was the very embodiment of kindness and inclusivity.
01:52Since I preach kindness every day, this is a big one for me.
01:54Her be kind mantra defined her brand as she danced with audiences, held surprise giveaways, and closed many episodes with, be kind to one another.
02:02But after her 2020 workplace scandal, that catchphrase feels different.
02:06A BuzzFeed investigation revealed accounts from former staffers who described a toxic workplace culture.
02:11Yeah, y'all heard I was mean.
02:12Everybody heard that I was mean.
02:13Everywhere I go, I know everyone's heard that I'm mean.
02:17We're talking about racism, antagonism, favoritism, and even sexual misconduct by senior executives.
02:22While Ellen wasn't singled out directly, many felt she turned a blind eye.
02:26Now it feels like she was preaching of a kindness that couldn't be extended to her staffers.
02:30That's awful.
02:31I realized I was chasing my employees and terrorizing them.
02:34Lance denies doping on Larry King Live.
02:37Larry King Live.
02:38In 2005, the French sports newspaper, L'Equipe, reported that Lance Armstrong had tested positive for a performance-enhancing substance.
02:45Armstrong immediately went on the defensive, even appearing on Larry King Live that same year to vehemently deny any wrongdoing.
02:51I've said it for seven years.
02:54I've said it for longer than seven years.
02:55I have never doped.
02:56He blasted the newspaper, claiming they were targeting him because he was a winner and reminding viewers of drug tests he had passed.
03:02Almost everyone believed him.
03:04All the while, the famous cyclist was lying through his teeth.
03:07Now, looking back to this interview after Armstrong's 2013 confession, it feels like watching one of the biggest liars in sports history.
03:14Yes or no, did you ever take banned substances to enhance your cycling performance?
03:19Yes.
03:20The confidence with which he deceived millions doesn't just feel bold, it's chilling.
03:24Dr. Phil interviews troubled teens.
03:26Dr. Phil.
03:27Phil McGraw built his brand as TV's go-to psychologist, tackling everything from family drama to teenage problems.
03:33So you never had a fight list?
03:35No.
03:35I don't even start the fights.
03:37Yeah.
03:37Families would appear on the show, and sometimes troubled teens were sent to rehabilitation programs he recommended.
03:42On TV, it looked like tough love with the promise of turning lives around.
03:46I'm going to recommend that these girls be placed outside the home for a period of time right now.
03:57Behind the scenes, it wasn't all that rosy.
04:00Over the years, some treatment centers have faced serious allegations.
04:03Former attendees described the place as traumatizing rather than healing.
04:07Even Rap or Bad Baby spoke up about her terrible experience at Turnabout Ranch in Utah.
04:12In one Florida facility, there have even been cases of missing teens.
04:16So, was Dr. Phil really helping these kids, or just selling TV entertainment packages therapy?
04:20You have to admit, he helped you a lot.
04:24If it wasn't for Dr. Phil...
04:25If it wasn't for Dr. Phil...
04:25Okay, if it wasn't for his money, you can't say it wasn't for him.
04:28Matt Lauer interviews Corey Feldman today.
04:31Matt Lauer's case is one of the most unsettling.
04:33For decades, he was the familiar face for NBC's Today show.
04:37Well, Corey Feldman is on a mission, as he describes it, to clean up Hollywood.
04:41He interviewed many celebrities, including those who spoke up about sexual harassment.
04:45In one interview with Corey Feldman, who promised to expose predators in Hollywood, the tension was obvious.
04:51That was before Lauer's own sexual misconduct issues came to light in 2017.
04:55As I'm sure you can imagine, we are devastated.
04:57Multiple women came forward, with reports ranging from inappropriate behavior in the office to serious violence.
05:03Lauer was fired from NBC almost immediately.
05:05Now, re-watching his interviews, especially the Feldman one, just hits different.
05:10It's almost as if Lauer was on the defensive the whole time, constantly interrupting Feldman.
05:14I'm the one who's trying to come forward and do something about it.
05:17Hold on, please, I'm sorry.
05:18There are thousands of people out there, Matt, who have this information.
05:22Considering his own scandal, it all makes sense now.
05:25R. Kelly denies allegations.
05:27CBS This Morning
05:28After Surviving R. Kelly aired in 2019,
05:30the public's attention snapped back to the long trail of sexual abuse allegations
05:34against Robert Kelly.
05:36I'm very tired of all of the lies.
05:39I've been hearing things and, you know, and seeing things on the blogs.
05:43And, you know, I'm just, I'm just tired.
05:45To defend himself, the singer sat down with Gayle King
05:48in what became one of the most explosive interviews of the decade.
05:51He cried, shouted, and even stood up at some point,
05:54desperately insisting on his innocence.
05:56I'm fighting for my f***ing life!
05:59Y'all killing me with this s***!
06:01At the time, some people probably saw it as over-the-top or an act of desperation.
06:05But after Kelly was convicted of abuse on a large scale in 2021,
06:09the interview feels downright scary.
06:11You're essentially watching a man perform innocence while hiding years of abuse.
06:15That disconnect between his emotional outburst and the horrific truth
06:18is exactly why this is creepy.
06:19My kids is listening to this, all of this nonsense,
06:24and I ain't been to spend no time with them.
06:26This is real.
06:27This is not a lie.
06:29Sean Combs Interviews
06:30Various
06:31The truth is, after P. Diddy's scandal,
06:34many of his old interviews take on a different meaning.
06:36Back then, he charmed viewers with his swagger,
06:38and few paid attention to the deep meaning of what he said.
06:41You're legendary for the parties that you throw.
06:43You throw a great party.
06:44Take his 2002 Conan O'Brien interview,
06:46when he joked about women and locking doors,
06:49and the audience laughed.
06:50Today, with the disturbing allegations against him,
06:52it feels like a red flag in plain sight.
06:55How about his 1999 Entertainment Tonight appearance,
06:57when he bragged that his parties might get him arrested?
07:00You're gonna hear about my parties.
07:01They're gonna be shutting them down.
07:02They're gonna probably be arresting me,
07:03doing all types of crazy things,
07:05just because we want to have a good time.
07:07It sounds more like foreshadowing now.
07:09Even his 2009 Ellen response to domestic abuse feels off
07:12after the Cassie Ventura video leaked.
07:14Now we totally understand why he didn't
07:16outrightly condemn the abusive act.
07:18Get into it.
07:19I'm not gonna do this or do that.
07:20It was a dark time for them,
07:22and I was there more as a support.
07:24That was it.
07:24Nancy Campbell panits.
07:26The Jerry Springer Show.
07:27This American talk show was the very definition of trash TV.
07:32I want them to say, after watching the show,
07:34that they learned something about life
07:36that they didn't know before,
07:38and Jerry didn't get in the way of the telling of that story.
07:42From wild drama and screaming matches
07:44to outright brawls,
07:46a lot of wild stuff happened.
07:47Yet, we didn't expect the Jerry Springer Show
07:49to be linked to murder.
07:50In one episode,
07:51Nancy Campbell panits appeared
07:53in hopes of reuniting with her ex-husband,
07:55Ralph,
07:55only to be cornered into a heated confrontation on live TV.
07:59Nan, what's going on?
08:01Ralph and I are trying to restore our marriage,
08:04and this, uh...
08:05And this trailer trash won't leave us alone.
08:09On the day the episode finally aired,
08:11several weeks later,
08:12Nancy was murdered by Ralph.
08:14It might have been intriguing to watch then,
08:16but now it's just plain dark,
08:17especially as Springer was let off the hook
08:19without any real repercussions.
08:21Jerry Springer,
08:22he just kind of blew it off,
08:23like,
08:23what do I know about it?
08:25How disrespectful can you be?
08:27It's just awful.
08:28Steve Diamond,
08:30The Jeremy Kyle Show.
08:31When 63-year-old Steve Diamond
08:32walked onto The Jeremy Kyle Show stage,
08:35he probably never thought the segment
08:36would break him in the worst way.
08:37Why'd you lie so much?
08:39If I knew the answer to that, Jeremy,
08:41I wouldn't be here.
08:42Hoping to prove he wasn't unfaithful to his partner,
08:44Diamond took a lie detector test,
08:46only for it to declare him a liar.
08:48To make matters worse,
08:49Jeremy didn't take it easy on the poor man.
08:51Just a week after filming,
08:52Diamond took his own life.
08:54ITV's Jeremy Kyle Show
08:55is facing its own crisis
08:57after news that one guest
08:58had been found dead
08:59a week after appearing on the show
09:01in an episode that won't ever air.
09:03It was heartbreaking then,
09:05and even sadder when one thinks
09:06about how things might have turned out
09:08if this domestic issue was kept private.
09:10Perhaps it may have helped
09:11if the show admitted that lie detectors
09:12aren't 100% accurate.
09:14The Jeremy Kyle Show was cancelled
09:15amid the legal fallout.
09:17Listen, I've been cancelled.
09:18Yeah.
09:18In this world,
09:19it seems now that unless you follow
09:21a certain path,
09:22you're labelled.
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09:39Michael Jackson's 1993 interview.
09:41In February 1993,
09:43Michael Jackson sat down with Oprah Winfrey
09:45for a live interview
09:46watched by millions worldwide.
09:47I just wanted to let the world know
09:50that when we agreed to do this interview,
09:53you said that you would be willing
09:55to talk to me about everything
09:56and we haven't discussed
09:57one single question
09:59that's going to be asked here tonight.
10:01He gave a rare look into Neverland Ranch,
10:04presenting himself as childlike
10:05and misunderstood.
10:06Jackson even explained
10:07that the estate was for sick
10:09and disadvantaged children
10:10to enjoy themselves.
10:11But in August of that same year,
10:13Jackson faced his first
10:14sexual abuse allegation.
10:15That I have information
10:17that this investigation
10:18that started in August
10:19wasn't the first investigation
10:21involving alleged misconduct
10:23by Mr. Jackson.
10:24I'm not going to go any further than that.
10:26What was once a look into his world
10:27now looks like a prelude to his scandals.
10:29When the 2003 documentary
10:31Living with Michael Jackson aired
10:33and he admitted to letting kids share his bed,
10:35the image of Neverland grew darker.
10:37I'd found this easily
10:38the most disturbing moment
10:40of the past eight months.
10:42Even now,
10:42the King of Pop's reputation
10:44remains stained by those allegations.
10:45Which is the most disturbing
10:47talk show moment of them all?
10:48Let us know in the comments section.
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