00:00You felt your trust was broken with Vince multiple times this season,
00:04but you still wanted to work with him up until your eviction.
00:09What made you feel like you could keep working together?
00:12And how do you look back on your relationship now?
00:15Uh, yeah.
00:17Uh, let me see.
00:18Yeah, Vinny, uh, quite, quite the character there, huh?
00:22Uh, yeah, our relationship was, um, was pretty complicated.
00:26I felt like he was definitely someone that I would, you know, hang out with in everyday life.
00:31So that made it easy to, uh, just kind of connect with him, uh, personally, uh, game wise, uh, you know, looking back on it,
00:43he really never did anything for my game aside from keep me off the block.
00:48Cause he always kind of like, you know, backstabbed me and, and, uh, you know, would consistently lie to me.
00:54Um, but, uh, you know, I, I, I've said it before that he, uh, it felt like we had that big brother, little brother relationship.
01:03And, um, you know, it was one of those things where I never really wanted to turn my back on him, uh, more so once the jury phase started
01:11and, uh, Rachel was eliminated immediately, uh, that was very bad for my game because I did want to stay true to that final two
01:20and, and, and see how far we could go, uh, together.
01:23Uh, I wasn't under any delusions.
01:25I didn't think we, uh, Rachel and I, excuse me, would make it to the end together.
01:30Was it possible?
01:31Yes.
01:31But I did not think that would happen.
01:33I felt like she was a much larger target than me in the jury phase, um, or would be.
01:39And, uh, and my, my strategy at that point was, you know, whoever takes Rachel out,
01:44she probably will hold a grudge against, and, uh, I wanted to make a final two with that person, uh,
01:50knowing that she would advocate for me, uh, to win.
01:54Uh, so, uh, I, I can't, I can't remember what the initial question was, but, um, but yeah, I was,
02:01I was very, very faithful to, to Vince and I, had, I got the opportunity, uh, since Rachel had left the game,
02:08I would have probably wanted to take him to the final two just because of the sibling-esque relationship.
02:14You also had quite a complex dynamic with Rachel, consistently at odds, yet trying to work together.
02:23What's your perspective on your relationship, and how far did you plan on taking her in your game
02:28before the white locust twist happened?
02:31Uh, how far did I plan on taking her?
02:34Uh, well, I mean, to be honest, it was more how far we planned on taking each other,
02:37because, uh, that would have been an incredible feat to accomplish, in my opinion, because, um,
02:42outside of each other, uh, the people we were working with were, uh, well, the perception was,
02:47at least, that they were on opposite sides of the house.
02:50So, I felt like us getting to the end was, uh, would have been, together, would have been a very,
02:56uh, crazy accomplishment.
02:59Uh, but, you know, if, if I could, could write it a certain way,
03:03her and I would have been sitting in those final two chairs together, uh, with, you know,
03:07my, my, uh, resume being so undeniable that I would win.
03:12But, you know, who knows?
03:13Because she was obviously a large target the entirety of the game,
03:16and for her to be sitting in the final two chairs would have been a tremendous feat.
03:19So, she very well could have, uh, won in that scenario.
03:22So, um, but yeah, we had a complex relationship and, um, you know, but, but at the basis of that,
03:28we, we really did trust each other.
03:31Uh, you know, she never gave me a reason not to.
03:33If I ever didn't trust her, it was because of other people kind of getting in my head saying,
03:39you know, you can't trust her, you can't trust her.
03:41And, um, that was something that I kind of learned on my journey there was, uh,
03:47I had a couple of rules that I had, had kind of built in my little mental big brother notebook
03:53there.
03:53And one of the rules was, you know, when people give you information, uh, receive that information
03:59through their lens.
04:01And, uh, so obviously, you know, they are trying to do me a service by telling me not to trust
04:06her because they don't trust her, but that doesn't, just because she may be lying to them
04:10doesn't mean she's lying to me.
04:11And, um, I, I truly believe she never lied to me.
04:14And for that reason, uh, I, I would have taken her to the end or we would have taken
04:19each other to the end.
04:19I, I like to believe if we could.
04:22In the beginning of the game, you got into multiple confrontations with Jimmy at one point
04:27telling everyone you would pick them off one by one.
04:31What was your purpose behind these comments and how do you think that affected the way
04:36that you played moving forward?
04:38Oh man, this, this is embarrassing.
04:41You ready for this one?
04:42Um, so, uh, so me doing that, you know, I, at that point in the game, uh, what was that?
04:49That was the, that was picking the players for the veto competition.
04:53I believe was when I said I would pick everybody off one by one.
04:58At that point I had built what I thought was good relationships with about five or six other
05:03people.
05:03You know, there was no like alliance or anything set in stone, but there was kind of a, um,
05:08unspoken, which, you know, if I, if I were to play again, make sure it's a spoken agreement,
05:14but it was a, kind of like an unspoken agreement that would all work together.
05:17And when I made those comments about picking everybody off one by one, that was actually
05:21intentional to make my target larger to, to, to, uh, kind of take any sort of, uh, aim away
05:29from the people that I would be working with, uh, only later to find out that, uh, as soon
05:34as I said those comments, they also thought I was coming after them as well.
05:38Uh, so they were targeting me too.
05:39So that was a huge backfire.
05:42Um, you know, luckily I was able to dig myself out of that hole and, uh, I guess made for
05:47a decent story, I guess.
05:49But, uh, yeah, I wouldn't do that again.
05:51Looking back on your time in the house, what's move you either regret making or not making
05:59the most?
06:01Well, uh, if, yeah, if I could go back, I would probably do a couple of things differently.
06:07One of those things being, you know, obviously maybe not trusting Vince so much.
06:11Uh, so, you know, it's hard to, to, to use the word regret because that's just in my nature.
06:16Um, but I would not like, if I could, could, could go back and do it again, I would not
06:23trust, uh, so easily.
06:26You know, I know that's in my nature, but that's something I got to iron out of me.
06:29Uh, if, if I would ever, you know, come back and play again, or even if I, you know, uh,
06:35just, just in life in general, maybe, Hey, you know, if this game is kind of a microcosm
06:40for life, maybe I shouldn't be so trusting with everyone in general.
06:42Finally, give me your rapid fire thoughts on each of the remaining house guests, starting
06:49with Ashley.
06:51Ashley, I would say smart would be the way that I would describe her, believe it or not.
06:57Uh, I, well, wow.
06:58I say, believe it or not, because I know we didn't know we always kind of butted heads
07:02as well.
07:02Uh, not for any other reason, but, uh, yeah, she was very good at hiding her intellect and,
07:07uh, you know, it was very prominent how, how well she did that, uh, when there was few
07:12people in the house and I was forced to speak to her more often.
07:14Uh, so I would, I would say smart for Ashley.
07:18Ava.
07:19Uh, for Ava, I would say, you know, lovable, uh, creative, uh, you know, hanging out with
07:26Ava was always, is always a joy.
07:28And, um, you know, she, she has this way about just making you feel good about yourself.
07:34Morgan.
07:35Uh, I would say joy, you know, she, Morgan's someone that, uh, you know, when you, when you
07:40hang out with her, uh, you always, you always laugh.
07:44So, you know, there, there's always a, uh, a sense of joy, you know, when you, when you
07:49hang out with Morgan.
07:50And finally, Vince.
07:53Uh, Vince, you know, I, I guess I got to go with, uh, with liar on that one.
07:58Uh, but, but he's, you know, he, he's a great person, personally love the guy.
08:02So I have nothing bad to say about him personally, but dang, in this game, liar for sure.
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