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The Hack Season 1 Episode 5
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00:00You cannot be taking phone calls from a protected witness.
00:04From today, you will have no further contact with Gary Eden whatsoever.
00:08Max, we've got them on the rack. You sent all the whole thing is covered up again.
00:11You've got them on the rack. With what?
00:13The Murdochs agreed to pay Cliff at more than a million pounds.
00:16Our biggest gun was spiked.
00:22Our liberal conservative government will take Britain in a historic new direction.
00:26A direction of hope and unity, conviction and common purpose.
00:32I'm delighted to be standing here with the new Deputy Prime Minister.
00:36And I would like now to invite him to speak to us on what I think is a remarkable and very welcome day.
00:44Thank you, David. We've just been through an election campaign and now we have a coalition.
00:51Until today, we were rivals and now we're colleagues.
00:54This is unusual.
00:55And that will cost you all that work going to someone else's byline.
01:00I'm finding it a little bit hard to get my head around.
01:03Look.
01:05BBC are playing it on repeat.
01:06I watched it 15 times. It was sickening the first time.
01:09Andy Coulson now sits at the right-hand side of God as a direct link between Number 10 and Murdoch.
01:15I don't like that whisper chain. We need our...
01:18Our own coalition.
01:19We need allies.
01:20We have allies. I'm assembling a huge team of lawyers. People are working together.
01:24We need allies in the press.
01:26Yeah, I think I've tried. Nobody will touch it.
01:29Well, they won't on Fleet Street, but I've always thought a lot of Glen Campbell. I think Panorama will bite.
01:39No, no, no. The BBC won't risk a battle with Murdoch.
01:41And then there's Dispatches, maybe, and internationally, Bill Keller.
01:46You can't think the New York Times is going to be involved.
01:48Murdoch's hold on the Wall Street Journal is galling to Bill. I think he could...
01:53Well, I've got resources, of course, but...
01:57Well, then they won't share back. TV hacks, man. The New York Times.
02:01This will always be your story, Nick.
02:05No, it's bigger than that.
02:07Me.
02:07Oh, I can't make friends at school. Why not a pen pal? I get it.
02:14Yeah.
02:18Yeah, I get it. It's a good idea.
02:20It's a necessary idea.
02:25Forgot.
02:27So, Nick Gavis and the Guardian are losing the exclusive, but winning the war.
02:33Steve?
02:34Yeah.
02:34I'm aware that it has taken a few years to get to this point.
03:00And many of us are eager to draw these pre-trial hearings to a close.
03:06But I'm afraid a new matter has arisen that requires our attention.
03:11Last night, an application was made by the Council for the Defendants
03:15as regards a possible irregularity in the conduct of this investigation
03:19in relation to the prosecution witness, Mr. Gary Eaton.
03:23In order to resolve this, it is my view that we must spend some time hearing evidence directly
03:30from DCS David Cook and the officers in his team, which will begin on Monday.
03:38These rules are ridiculous.
03:45They are tight on this one.
03:46No conferring my colleagues.
03:48I mean, I'll work with these officers day in, day out.
03:50They don't want you to prepare, basically.
03:52It's known as an ambush defense.
03:53And they want me to tell them everything about Gary Eaton.
03:56But the suspects are sitting right there.
03:58If the judge does decide to lose Gary Eaton's evidence, it would be a significant setback.
04:04Oh, losing Gary Eaton would be a fucking disaster.
04:09So we do what the judge tells us to.
04:12All you have to do is answer the questions.
04:14Dave will be fine.
04:16He's good in the spotlight.
04:17And while you sit in the spotlight, boy scout behavior.
04:21Day in, day out.
04:22Agreed?
04:23The defense could put you under surveillance.
04:25They could track your car, your phone.
04:26They'd love nothing more than to catch you out.
04:31These men have been under arrest for over a year.
04:34This is a fucking farce.
04:35Nothing to do with truth.
04:36Nothing to do with justice.
04:40We do the best we can within the system we've got.
04:42What do you call three Pulitzer Prize winners sitting in a row?
04:56A murder?
04:57An ambush?
04:58An armada?
04:59Do you really call them help?
05:02This is, uh, quite something.
05:04It's remarkable journalism, Nick.
05:08And it says they're doing it in America, too?
05:10Uh, a few suspected names.
05:12Nothing firm at all in there.
05:14You've no one on record from News of the World?
05:17No.
05:18But plenty off the record.
05:20Am I right?
05:21She's trying to get you to reveal who your Mr. Apolo is.
05:24Oh, I see.
05:25You think he's a news international insider.
05:26Interesting.
05:28Um, but no, not sharing.
05:30And frankly, even if I wanted to, he's disappeared.
05:33Do you have an angle, the newspaper?
05:37You know, Bill's instincts were, uh, royal family, Murdoch's, press intrusion.
05:42In that order?
05:42We'll find our way.
05:44It's important no one can say that we colluded with you or we're babyfed just to stand your
05:48story up.
05:49You're not here to stand my story up.
05:50I wasn't saying that.
05:51The idea is we further each other's stories.
05:53Anything new we get, we know you're the keeper of the flame.
05:57We'll bring you in.
06:00You might say likewise, but I've given you all I have.
06:02I don't know when this started either.
06:28Um, you might get a call from the New York Times in the next two days.
06:48New York Times?
06:49Fancy.
06:50They're getting involved.
06:51We're giving them what we have.
06:54Two newspapers are better than one.
06:55You know, Nick, when I look at the kids who come round for playdates, I instinctively
07:00know who are good at sharing and who aren't.
07:04And you...
07:04Alan thinks this is a good idea.
07:05I think it's a good idea.
07:06Well, you weren't very good at sharing at all.
07:08Why?
07:09I'm not done.
07:11They'll do their thing.
07:14It actually makes it easier to pursue.
07:17Now, I was actually quite good at football as a kid, so that's what I would have done.
07:21I had your playdate.
07:21I'd have found a ball and kicked it.
07:23I didn't care about toys.
07:23Anyway, I have an idea.
07:25So, Harry Evans wrote in his memoir about a plane crash.
07:29I don't know Harry Evans.
07:31Editor of the Sunday Times from 1967 to 81.
07:34Newspaper legend.
07:35Doesn't that mean he worked for Murdoch?
07:36Oh, that he didn't get on.
07:37Murdoch fired him.
07:39Eventually.
07:39Actually, first he promoted and gave him editorship of the Times, but that's not...
07:41And he's the hero in this story.
07:43I haven't told the story.
07:44Well, your eyes imply he's the hero.
07:45So, DC-10 in Paris, passenger jet.
07:48There was clearly a problem with the manufacture of the plane, but Harry couldn't print.
07:52Without evidence?
07:53Exactly.
07:53So, Harry got his reporters to intervene, linked the bereaved families with highly effective
07:58lawyers in the US, because the US courts were more likely to order McDonnell Douglas to
08:03disclose internal paperwork.
08:05My plan is to do the same.
08:06Haven't we already tried that with Max Clifford?
08:08No, no.
08:09Then you involved me in your case very kindly.
08:12Now I'm going to recruit for you.
08:14So, they bribed Max.
08:17They won't be able to stop an army of people.
08:20If I can get a list of the hat, he encouraged me to come forward.
08:23We can flood the courts.
08:24I can't see you as a footballer.
08:30Fuck off.
08:31Look, Andy Coulson created a culture at the News of the World.
08:34To prove he did so, we need to get as many of his top journalists implicated as possible.
08:38Mulcair's notes had Clive Goodman's name written at the top's court record.
08:42So, we can find the other editors who commissioned him.
08:47Come on.
08:48Time to get nuclear, don't you think?
08:51The inevitable dig followed.
08:54I had to identify, with the help of my furry friend, every celebrity politician and sports
08:59style they'd gone after.
09:01High ranking to low ranking.
09:02The illustrious, the audacious.
09:04And then, I had to persuade those people to fight like MP Tessa Jowell.
09:10Yes, I have been spoken to by the police.
09:12All the dirt they had on your ex-husband came from hacking.
09:15And ruined my marriage, I am aware.
09:17I'd like to publish an article about your experiences.
09:20And I'd like you to consider pursuing it further in court.
09:23I have good lawyer recommendations.
09:24But that would mean staring it up.
09:26We've struggled enough.
09:28Please, leave it alone.
09:30I had proof that Charles Clark had been hacked.
09:32I told a friend who knew him to tell him.
09:35My friend said, he's not willing to engage.
09:37With Charlotte's help, I identified a dozen law firms who specialized in representing celebrities.
09:41I contacted all of them.
09:44I wish I could tell you their names.
09:46I'm getting nothing.
09:47Nothing?
09:48They're busy.
09:49They're worried about reviving an embarrassing story.
09:52They can't afford it.
09:53But mostly...
09:54Mostly, they're frightened.
09:59I've heard rumors about Nicole Kidman.
10:02Hello, Charlotte.
10:03Nice to meet you.
10:04A charming lawyer.
10:06How nice.
10:07Nicole's lawyer is John Kelly.
10:11Have you met John Kelly?
10:13No.
10:14She wasn't warned by the police.
10:16And no.
10:17She won't be meeting with you.
10:19Or any other journalist.
10:21Mr. Kelly, this is worth pursuing.
10:23For Nicole, for all your clients.
10:24It's still a no, I'm afraid.
10:26A hard no.
10:28Her trustees say no.
10:30Mark Thompson came about because two of his clients, one of whom was Big Brother's Jade Goody, had been hacked.
10:35Jade had died of cancer.
10:37They're not interested in pursuing a case.
10:39Perhaps I could talk to them.
10:40Because you're more persuasive than me.
10:42I get it.
10:43You're desperate.
10:46There is another...
10:48Someone.
10:49I can't give you her name.
10:50We called her AZP.
10:52She's very angry.
10:54They've ruined her life.
10:55She's leaning into all this.
10:57I'd love to.
10:58Yeah, of course you fucking would.
11:00And if she's brave enough to talk more, then you'll hear more.
11:02But until then...
11:03They're just also scared.
11:05They are profoundly scared.
11:20Mr. Cook, do you accept that a number of rules were broken with regard to Gary Eaton?
11:26I do.
11:27And the issue for the judge to decide on is the spirit in which these rules were broken.
11:33Were they broken in bad faith, or was it done transparently and in the interests of justice?
11:38Those are the two sides that we are litigating at the moment.
11:42You understand that?
11:43Yes, I do.
11:44Let us begin with your initial meeting with Mr. Eaton.
11:50It's been suggested that you led the witness during this conversation.
11:54I think it's important for me to say that I never wanted to meet with Mr. Eaton in the first place.
11:59He insisted he would only speak with me, so I went along.
12:04And the job is to find out if he was valid.
12:06And to do that, you have to ask some probing questions.
12:09Give me the name of the brothers.
12:14That's hardly a probing question, is it, Mr. Cook?
12:18He wasn't interested in any brothers at all, was he?
12:22You gave him the brothers.
12:24I gave him the brothers.
12:25I did not give him the name of the brothers.
12:27You were aware at that first meeting of how important it was to preserve the integrity of the process?
12:34And that's what I thought we were doing.
12:35It was all recorded.
12:36And we all have the transcripts here before us, but that wasn't my question.
12:42It was a simple question.
12:47Let's try another.
12:48Sir, do you accept that by having direct phone conversations with a witness, you were breaching the sterile corridor system?
12:56Yes, I do, but I would say that this was a particularly difficult set of circumstances.
13:01It wasn't difficult at all.
13:03All you had to do was say to this man,
13:04I'm sorry, the rules are I'm not allowed to have direct contact with you.
13:08You have your own witness protection handler.
13:11They can sort out any problems you may have, but from now on, you must not ring me.
13:15And if you do, my phone will bar you.
13:17And that is what I did on several occasions.
13:19Did you ever bar Gary Eaton from calling your phone?
13:25It's not always possible on every type of phone.
13:29Are you saying that it's not possible from a metropolitan police phone?
13:38It's a terribly simple question.
13:41He changed his number. I didn't know his number.
13:47I'd like to turn now to the issue of your note-taking.
13:51My lord, between August the 23rd and the 16th of September 2006,
13:57not one of Mr. Cook's numerous telephone calls to Eaton appears on the schedule.
14:03Mr. Cook, do you mind telling us how it is that between the 23rd of August and the 16th of September,
14:09you managed to make so many calls without recording any of them?
14:12From memory, the vast majority, if not all, were to do with Mr. Eaton's welfare, his domestics, stuff like that, nuisance stuff.
14:21But you accept, do you not, that the court has no way of knowing what was said during these calls?
14:28I accept that.
14:29My lord, do you mind if I sit down or suffer from vertigo?
14:32Please.
14:33Let us look at tab number nine.
14:38We can see top line that the debrief begins on the 1st of August.
14:44We can see that it's followed the next day by a call which is 15 minutes long.
14:49That one is logged.
14:51Then on the 28th of August, there's a 9-minute call which is not logged.
14:56Then on the 1st of September, Eaton suddenly changes his story.
14:59He says for the first time that he was at the scene of the murder.
15:04What are you suggesting?
15:05I'm suggesting that that may not be a coincidence, Mr. Cook.
15:10I suppose you're going to deny it and say that it is just a coincidence?
15:14You're going to deny that during these unlogged calls, you were feeding Mr. Eaton his story?
15:20Why would I do that?
15:21This case has been causing the Metropolitan Police untold embarrassment for over two decades.
15:27You were desperate to nail someone.
15:28Of course, if you think you have somebody who may be an eyewitness, you embrace them with both arms.
15:34But you allowed this dishonest, mentally ill man to run riot over your investigation.
15:39Not only that, but you manipulated him because he was easily manipulable
15:43and because he was your one way of bringing this case back to life
15:47and ending your career with a real coup.
15:51Isn't that what has gone on here, Mr. Cook?
15:54You could know before the
16:24If you haven't changed your ways
16:32No chance
16:34Thanks
16:35Can you still win?
16:38Now that we lost Gary Eaton the entire case
16:40Rest on two witnesses
16:42Lindsay Wright
16:43Jimmy Cook's ex-girlfriend
16:45Who was basically a fucking nightmare
16:46And James Ward
16:49Our original super grass
16:51Was erratic at best
16:53Nine days they kept me in that stand
16:57And day one
16:59They really thought I could win
17:00Hoped
17:02No I remember hope
17:04Oh sorry they did that to you
17:08You deserve it
17:10Yeah I can be I did
17:11So over you
17:15Can you um
17:17Win
17:18Journalism isn't about
17:22Winning or losing
17:23It's about the gradual erosion of
17:25Self worth
17:26Alan's given the story to
17:29Panorama and the New York Times
17:31And he's probably right
17:32Because I can't get anyone
17:33To go to court
17:34Which means we can't
17:35I
17:37I thought
17:38I had a way
17:39To get to Mulcair's notes
17:41I thought I was finally getting somewhere
17:42But
17:42Like everything
17:44I try
17:45What about Jonathan Rees
17:48Surely he's just as bad as Mulcair
17:51He's on trial
17:53Have you ever noticed
17:53We raided his house
17:55A few years ago
17:56We found invoices
17:58On his desk
17:58Rees to Alex Marinchuk
18:00And the news of the world
18:02When Rees went to prison
18:03For conspiring
18:03To prepare the course of justice
18:05Came out
18:06And went right back
18:08Into the employee
18:08News of the world
18:09Well, under Coulson
18:11Was the editor
18:11Under Coulson
18:14News of the world
18:15Employed a convicted criminal
18:16Now this fell in your lap, okay
18:20You can't court me
18:23You can't name race
18:25But you can use this
18:27To nail them
18:28This could get you
18:31In serious trouble
18:31I'm already in serious trouble
18:35So you're calling
18:45Jonathan Rees Mr. Ray
18:47I think it's my best pseudonym yet
18:49Can't name him
18:50Till after the Mulcair trial
18:52It's very tenuous legally
18:54Even to hide him
18:54Under a pseudonym
18:55His lawyers can claim
18:56Contempt of court
18:57Coulson being in government
18:58Is a contempt
18:59It's a good story
19:00It doesn't stand up
19:01My source is solid
19:02Jonathan Rees
19:03Was in prison, Falk
19:05Inspiring to pervert
19:06The course of justice
19:07And then is the world
19:10Re-hired him
19:10After he was released
19:11From prison
19:12While Coulson was editor
19:13Feels a good one
19:15We'll need to give
19:16Coulson a right of reply
19:17Oh
19:17This is the most
19:18Archaic practice
19:19Giving people quotes
19:21In articles against them
19:22It's just
19:22Free advertising space
19:24For their lives
19:25I think it's necessary
19:26If we publish his
19:27Right of reply
19:28We'll be misleading our readers
19:29Whatever the fight
19:30I think it's better
19:31To stick to established
19:32Journalist practice
19:33Don't you?
19:33What would you know
19:34About journalism?
19:34You're a lawyer
19:35Nick
19:35Could you maybe talk to her
19:37With a bit more respect?
19:38Oh fuck off
19:39With respect
19:39Nick
19:40Sorry
19:40Sorry
19:41Sorry
19:41Rufus
19:42Sorry Jill
19:42I know how vital you are
19:44To all this
19:44Just
19:44Busy time
19:46Busy head
19:46I'll
19:47Alert some people
19:50Go backstage
19:51Yes
19:51I know this
19:52I know this will spread
19:53The other newspapers
19:55They can't ignore this
19:56It has to
19:56Jill
19:58If he gets the quote
20:00From Coulson
20:01I think we can argue
20:02Public interest
20:02I agree
20:03Thank you
20:04This is good
20:05Whoever your source is
20:10This is good
20:12Would it surprise you to know
20:33It didn't spread
20:34All the other newspapers
20:37Ignored the Mr. A story
20:39You'll get them next time
20:45The trouble with next time
20:53The trouble with
20:57You'll get them next time
20:59I don't have it next time
21:01You stupid child
21:02Nicholas
21:04Nicholas
21:04Don't be dramatic
21:05Nicholas
21:06Let's get a washcloth
21:09For that blush
21:09I don't have it next time
21:12Hi Nick Davis
21:22Nick
21:23It's Joe Becker
21:24New York Times
21:25Oh
21:26Yeah
21:27I
21:27It's now
21:29Not a good time
21:29No it's fine
21:31How can I help
21:32We're going to publish
21:33Great
21:35What
21:35Sean Hoare
21:37Is going on the record
21:38He's a genuine insider
21:39Oh more than that
21:41He's Coulson's friend
21:41They worked the
21:43Celebrity Bizarre column
21:44That Coulson made his name on
21:45What did he say
21:46Well he talked about Coulson
21:48A lot
21:49I had a good relationship
21:50With him as it goes
21:51Yeah I'm not good to
21:53What the fuck I wanted
21:54As nice I came in
21:55With a good story
21:56The brief was
21:59I don't
22:02Give a fuck
22:04News of the world
22:05News of the world meeting
22:05So I'm more fun
22:06Than Guardian
22:06You're not wrong
22:08But I asked him
22:10Did he know
22:11What's going on
22:12Coulson
22:13New York Times
22:14Over here on this side
22:15Yes
22:17Oh
22:17Why
22:19We want to investigate
22:20Whether an ethical line
22:21Has been crossed
22:22At least
22:23I'm not the Guardian
22:24You don't think
22:26The Guardian are valid
22:27I think the Guardian
22:28Are being beautiful beings
22:29Gazing down from their
22:30Mighty high horses
22:31Surprise fucks
22:33You know but the thing
22:34About you you see
22:35Is that you
22:35You're foreign
22:38Someone like you
22:40I personally
22:47Played voicemail recordings
22:50To the bastard
22:51When we worked together
22:52At the sun
22:53And the screws
22:54You played recordings
22:56To Coulson
22:57Sean
22:58Is that on the record
23:01I want a New York Mets top
23:17I'm sorry
23:18I want a New York Mets top
23:20And then it's on the record
23:22Okay
23:24Yeah
23:27Sure
23:28Great
23:30So what do you say
23:33We go completely crazy
23:35And have another orange juice
23:36Thank you
23:38This is very good
23:56I don't think
23:58They made clear
23:59The link with Coulson
24:00It's good journalism
24:02But it's not
24:02I love an intimate party
24:03Nick
24:04But it is nice
24:05Don't you think
24:06To have at least
24:07Some other people
24:08Who want to be there
24:09This is the New York Times
24:11It's going to be a lot harder
24:12To fight us both
24:13This matters
24:15It was an extremely good piece
24:22It
24:22The way
24:23It was extremely good
24:25And what happened next
24:26Alan was right
24:28It made everybody
24:29Braver
24:30Celebrities began to look up
24:32For instance
24:32Charlotte Harris
24:33Began to get somewhere
24:34With a client
24:35Football agent
24:35Sky Andrew
24:36They offered him
24:37200,000 pounds a year
24:39And 1.2 million pounds
24:40In free advertising
24:41For a charity
24:42If you drop his case
24:43And?
24:43He said no
24:44People were willing to fight
24:46Most unusual people
24:48Hi Nick Davis
24:49Max Mosley
24:50I'm a fan of your work
24:52Then Max Mosley
24:53Did something
24:54Extraordinary
24:55To be clear
24:56We didn't meet
24:57At the Guardian
24:57But this setting will do
24:58I'd like to back
24:59Financially
25:00Anyone wishing to bring
25:02A case against
25:02The news of the world
25:03Indemnify them
25:05Against costs
25:06And damages
25:07Max that could be millions
25:08I'm guessing you saw it
25:11Nazi sex orgy
25:13Photos
25:15Of me
25:15It was not Nazi
25:18It was consenting
25:19But they didn't care
25:20I sued
25:22I got a small reward
25:24I survived
25:25My son
25:27Didn't
25:29A heroine overdosed
25:32One year after
25:33The story was published
25:34I'm sorry
25:37They can attack us
25:40When our children
25:42Are damaged
25:42But are you sure
25:45That this is what
25:46You want to spend
25:47Your fortune on?
25:49You underestimate
25:50My fortune
25:51Mr. Davis
25:52And my anger
25:54The world
25:56Started to unfurl
25:58Before us
25:58The strategy
26:00Started to work
26:01Allies were
26:02Not exactly everywhere
26:05But
26:05Gathering
26:07And then
26:08The game changed
26:09Mark Thompson
26:10Got in touch
26:11His client
26:11AZP
26:12Do you remember AZP?
26:13Well
26:13Apparently she loved
26:14The New York Times piece
26:16And the Mr. A story
26:17And she wanted to meet
26:18Oh and
26:19AZP
26:21She is
26:21Sienna Miller
26:22Meet Nick Davis
26:24Pleasure to meet you
26:25Yes
26:26Actor
26:27Tabloid magnet
26:28I'll raise card
26:30He knows it's coming
26:32Everyone's been whispering
26:33To her to stop
26:34All of Hollywood
26:36Some roles
26:37Are being withdrawn
26:38Others are being promised
26:41If she just lets it go
26:42You've decided to keep fighting
26:44They've also
26:46Said
26:47They've told me
26:48That there is more
26:49Muck on me
26:50They'd use
26:50Which is
26:51I mean
26:52Probably true
26:53But I mean
26:54How can they print
26:55Anything worse?
26:56All the papers
26:56Are after her
26:57Can I ask
26:59Sienna
27:00Can I ask
27:01What happened?
27:04I
27:04I can't go
27:05Into the
27:06Details
27:07And I really
27:08Don't want to pry
27:08But what have
27:09What were they
27:11Digging for?
27:13Um
27:13Seemingly
27:18Um
27:18Anything
27:19About me
27:20Is
27:21Interesting
27:22The
27:22Restaurants I go to
27:24What
27:25What I wear
27:26People
27:26People I meet
27:27But
27:29It seems
27:30Their
27:31Attention
27:32Was particularly
27:33Grabbed by
27:34I
27:35Um
27:35I got
27:38Uh
27:39I got pregnant
27:41And
27:42Um
27:43I had a decision
27:44To make
27:46You understand?
27:49And
27:50At that time
27:52When you're
27:53When you're
27:54Dealing with that
27:54You need people
27:56That you can trust
27:57And I didn't
27:58I didn't trust
27:59Anyone
27:59I thought that
28:00They were all
28:01Selling stories
28:02About me
28:02Because they knew
28:03Everything
28:04And I couldn't
28:07Work out why
28:08I couldn't work out
28:08Why
28:09Anything I told
28:10My friends
28:11Or family
28:12Was being leaked
28:14I thought
28:15I mean
28:16I
28:16I started to
28:18Um
28:19Yeah
28:21Mm
28:23I
28:25Uh
28:26The number
28:30Of people
28:30That I trusted
28:31Grew smaller and smaller
28:32Until there was almost
28:33No one at all
28:35I didn't know
28:37Which way was up
28:37Not anymore
28:38I
28:38I drank too much
28:39Did all the wrong things
28:40Damaged my career
28:42Damaged myself
28:43And they
28:45Feasted on it
28:46Was this Mulcair
28:47We don't know
28:49We don't know
28:50Who was doing what
28:51All we know
28:52Is the results of it
28:53The thing that I was most
28:55Um
28:56Sorry about
28:59Was that I
28:59Um
29:00I damaged my family
29:04Once it was all
29:08Um
29:08I only basically
29:16Told my mum
29:17Yeah
29:20Then they still found out
29:23And they published
29:26And I thought it was her
29:27But the things I said to her
29:32You know
29:32Must have been horrible
29:38But I'm a celebrity
29:41I chose all this
29:43It's not their fault
29:44It's in the
29:44Public interest
29:46Mm
29:46We're taking this
29:48All the way
29:49Good
29:50Mm
29:52Thank you
29:54We're gonna have to
29:59Disclose this
29:59I'm afraid we've no choice
30:01But
30:03I ain't done nothing
30:04Lindsay
30:04Your entire search
30:06Issues here
30:06And see what you searched
30:08And when you searched it
30:09But
30:10I'm allowed to be curious
30:12Aren't I
30:13Not against a lot
30:14To be curious
30:15Look
30:15You're accusing
30:17Jimmy Cook
30:18Of over 30
30:20Separate murders
30:21And each time you change
30:24And each time you change a statement
30:24And say you remember
30:25A new murder
30:26It comes off the back
30:27Of an internet search
30:28And how to commit
30:29That particular type of murder
30:30Disclosing this means
30:32That we can no longer
30:33Put you forward
30:34As a witness of truth
30:35And I'm afraid
30:38Lindsay
30:38I'm afraid we lost
30:40The only other witness
30:42Who had evidence
30:43On Jimmy
30:43See your statement
30:45That was all the prosecution
30:49Had to go on
30:49James
30:50Frederick
30:51William
30:52Cook
30:53Stand
30:54Please
30:54I direct
30:57A verdict
30:58Of not
30:59Guilty
30:59In respect
31:00Of count
31:01One
31:01And you are now
31:03Free to go
31:04No, no, no, no, no
31:09What if he
31:11Oh, shit
31:12I'm now number one target
31:14You know that
31:15How could you let this happen?
31:18How could you let this happen?
31:22Oh
31:23Take sugar
31:35Uh, just half
31:37And a splash of milk
31:39Thanks
31:40So, how long you been here then?
31:47We've done it a while ago
31:48I know, I just haven't had time to
31:52There's a sofa coming
31:55Thanks
31:56Yeah, I was actually
31:59Pretty choked when I heard
32:01You and Jackie
32:03Always seem
32:03Solid
32:04Yeah
32:07I heard you and Vicky
32:10Come on
32:10That's great
32:11We invited you to the wedding
32:12But you never RSVP'd
32:14Did you?
32:18I'm so sorry
32:19It's just that
32:20I've been busy
32:22Frantic
32:23Work
32:24Life
32:25Yeah, mate
32:26It's what you get for having friends who are coppers
32:28They disappear on you for years on end
32:31So still, pals
32:33But that's not why you're here
32:38You want something
32:40Alan Rusbridger and the Guardian have been in touch with us at Panorama
32:43It's the hacking stuff
32:45But there's also this story on Jonathan Rees that they've been pushing
32:48I know you've been on Daniel Morgan
32:50So, Rees is your bag, right?
32:55Look, I'm sorry
32:56We can talk about other things
32:57And take my BBC hat off
33:00Genuinely
33:01Wanted to see you
33:02How are you?
33:07No
33:07Coping
33:10Well, that's strange
33:13A house without kids
33:16Pretty quiet
33:18I think I need to get better
33:23Filling in the time
33:24We should be aiming for a coalition of lawyers
33:32Coalition?
33:33I mean, government now
33:34I have other friendly lawyers with very high-profile clients
33:36Yeah, I do actually know who you're talking to
33:37Sky Andrew case
33:38Progressing under your watch
33:39Is still not accepting their terms
33:41No
33:41Max Mosley has promised to financially back
33:43Any client who comes forward
33:45Surely we can encourage them
33:46All to come forward now
33:47Nick, breathe
33:47Okay
33:49You are constantly swaying between
33:52Utter despair
33:54And this
33:54It's exhausting
33:55The law takes time
33:58We are building something
33:59Let it fucking build
34:01Stop worrying about the New York Times
34:03Getting there before you
34:03This is your case
34:04Not worried about the New York Times
34:05I don't have Sienna Miller as a client
34:08You don't have Sean Hall in your pocket
34:10But we are all working together
34:12Stop doing that thing with your hands
34:13I have another one for you
34:16A former politician
34:17Apparently he's had sight of Mulcair's notebook
34:21I've been reluctant to share him
34:23Because
34:23I think he's tricky
34:26But
34:26You want everyone
34:28What I'm interested in is in Mulcair's notebook
34:32I'm no interest in what it shows
34:34That there'll be a name
34:35At the top corner of the notes
34:36Which is the name of someone
34:38At the News of the World
34:39Have you read
34:40What the Guardian has written about me
34:43About this case
34:44Tommy Sheridan
34:45A defamation case
34:46Which became a perjury case
34:47A process of disclosure on which
34:49Allowed him access to Mulcair
34:51And to his paperwork
34:52And he's right
34:55The Guardian
34:56Haven't been kind about him
34:57What I'm looking to do
34:58Is to build a case
34:59Against
35:00Andy Coulson
35:01And the culture
35:02At the News of the World
35:03That the hacking was endemic
35:04Yes
35:04There's a name
35:05No you can't see it
35:06And you certainly can't print it
35:08I don't trust
35:09Journalists
35:10Nick
35:11Not anymore
35:12Okay
35:13The name is important
35:14Because
35:15It undermines
35:16The one rogue reporter argument
35:18Which Coulson keeps hiding behind
35:19The more editors and senior journalists
35:22We can implicate
35:23The more we show them lying
35:24Greg Miscue
35:33Greg Miscue
35:36You sure?
35:37I didn't tell you
35:38You're not printed
35:40Greg Miscue was news editor
35:41Later assistant editor
35:43He's retired now
35:44But he reported directly to Coulson
35:45I know who Greg Miscue is Nick
35:47Do you know how significant this is?
35:48This could blow the lid off
35:49This has to be off the record
35:51Do I understand that you're
36:00Representing yourself in Coulson?
36:02Yes
36:02What if I was to help you?
36:05Go on
36:06There's very little
36:07I know a lot about
36:08But this issue is one of them
36:09I can feed you questions
36:11Help with your research
36:12All for nothing
36:13For the name of the notebook
36:14That name is Dynamite
36:15Greg Miscue is Dynamite
36:17And you can print it
36:18Because it's been stated in court
36:20And have an idea
36:21Who you should call as a witness
36:22Go on
36:24Andy Coulson
36:26You're a traitor
36:30Start by asking him about Greg Miscue
36:35He'll deny any knowledge
36:36Mr. Coulson
36:38These are the written notes
36:40These are the written notes
36:40Of the former News of the World employee
36:42Glenn Mulcair
36:43Contractor
36:44Not employee
36:46Mr. Coulson
36:47Do you recognize the name
36:48In the top left hand corner
36:50Of the page?
36:50It says Greg
36:52This is the big one
36:53Do you think that name
36:56Refers to the former
36:57Assistant editor
36:58Greg Miscue?
36:59No
37:00Not to my knowledge
37:01No
37:01Do you have any knowledge
37:02Of Greg Miscue
37:04Ordering Glenn Mulcair
37:05To hack Tommy Sheridan's phone?
37:07Are you telling me
37:08That you never ordered
37:09Or were unaware
37:10Of Greg Miscue
37:11Ordering Mr. Mulcair
37:13To tap my phone?
37:14No
37:14I had absolutely
37:16No knowledge of it
37:17And I
37:17I certainly didn't
37:18Instruct anyone
37:19To do anything of the type
37:21Interesting
37:21Because
37:22Sean Hall
37:24In the New York Times
37:25Stated
37:26That he played you
37:27Hacked
37:28Voicemails
37:29I remain confident
37:30There is no evidence
37:31To support Mr. Hall's accusations
37:32That's my position
37:33Do you have any comment
37:34On why Mr. Hall
37:35Would have made those accusations?
37:37You should ask Mr. Hall
37:38How bad was the culture
37:39In your newspaper?
37:40I don't accept
37:41There was
37:42Any culture
37:43Of phone hacking
37:44At the news of the world
37:45There was
37:45One unfortunate case
37:48Involving Clive Cookman
37:49And
37:49No one
37:50Was more sorry about it
37:52Than me
37:52And that's why
37:54I resigned
37:55Tommy Sheridan
37:57We got
37:59Miscue's name out there
38:00It wasn't enough
38:01But we're rattling
38:02Coulson's cage
38:03Well let's see
38:05If this sends him
38:05Over the edge
38:06This was lodged
38:08In the High Court
38:08This morning
38:09Worth mentioning
38:10In real life
38:10He made me go
38:11To the courthouse
38:12To pick this up myself
38:12Possibly no word
38:15Mentioning
38:15Mulcair
38:16Blagged her phone number
38:17I changed my phone
38:19Twice
38:19And somehow
38:20They always got it
38:21It wasn't just her phone
38:23They were inside of
38:23They targeted
38:24Sienna's mother
38:25Her boyfriend
38:26His assistant
38:27Her publicist
38:28We analysed
38:29My itemised phone bills
38:30And then we used them
38:31To force the police
38:33To hand over calls
38:34Made by Mulcair
38:34The police were sitting
38:36On this information
38:36For four years
38:37I'll remind you
38:38John Yates
38:39Four years
38:41And then we linked them
38:43To the news of the world
38:45Stories
38:45There was a name
38:47That appeared
38:47In the top corner
38:48Of Glenn's notes
38:49A name we hadn't had before
38:51A name
38:52That could change everything
38:53Tell me the name
38:54Ian Edmondson
38:58Ian Edmondson
39:00You reported directly
39:01To Coulson
39:01Ian Edmondson
39:02Is the current news editor
39:03Of the news of the world
39:04That is a culture
39:24A culture Coulson
39:25Has created
39:26John Survive
39:28Just heard
39:35Good work
39:36Night
39:36Sheridan
40:03Oh Nick
40:04We couldn't get through
40:05To you
40:05So
40:05Well I don't know
40:07Is it the kids?
40:08No
40:08No no
40:09It's about your father
40:12God I'm so sorry Nick
40:15Yeah Graham
40:38We found two crates
40:40In an old DPS office
40:41A cleaner
40:43Found them
40:43Sold evidence
40:45On James Ward
40:45But we told the judge
40:51We declared
40:52Everything
40:53One more
40:53I'm sorry
40:55How about it?
41:02Now this is the end
41:03Right?
41:05Do you want
41:05The official answer
41:06Or the honest answer?
41:09We don't survive this
41:10I don't understand
41:14How can they accuse us
41:17Of withholding evidence
41:18When you didn't even know
41:19That the crisis
41:20It was a disused
41:22Police building
41:23Nothing to do
41:24With your team
41:25Right?
41:25Yeah
41:25The office was locked
41:28For years
41:28Nobody knew anything
41:29About it
41:30But even if we
41:33Could make the case
41:34That we weren't
41:34Withholding the files
41:35The contents
41:38The details
41:40About James Ward
41:41They didn't
41:42Originally disclose
41:43To us
41:43If we'd have
41:45Had the files
41:45Earlier
41:47We may have been able
41:48To deal with it
41:49But
41:49All of it together
41:52It's
41:52Years and years
41:55And years
41:56Gone
41:56All because
41:59Someone left some files
42:00In the wrong room
42:01It's like everyone forgot
42:06All the people
42:08In that court
42:09This was supposed
42:12To be about Daniel
42:13Hi
42:35I really loved him
42:45Yeah
42:46I know
42:47He was
42:47Flowning
42:48He was complicated
42:52But I really loved him
42:53The Lord is my shepherd
42:57I shall not want
42:58He makes me lie down
43:00In green pastures
43:01He leads me
43:03Beside still waters
43:04He restores my soul
43:06He leads me
43:08In right paths
43:09For his name's sake
43:10Even though I walk
43:12Through the darkest valley
43:13I fear no evil
43:15For you are with me
43:17Your rod
43:18And your staff
43:19They comfort me
43:20You prepare a table
43:22Before me
43:22In the presence
43:24Of my enemies
43:24Surely
43:26Goodness and mercy
43:27Shall follow me
43:28All the days
43:30Of my life
43:30And I shall dwell
43:32In the house
43:33Of the Lord
43:33My whole life
43:35Long
43:35Hi
43:45On the 14th of January
43:532011
43:54Rebecca Brooks
43:55Asked her secretary
43:56To find somewhere
43:57Discreet for her
43:58To meet Andy Coulson
43:59She did so
44:01The next day
44:02At 7.45am
44:03At the Hawken Hotel
44:04In Belgravia
44:05We don't know
44:06What Brooks said
44:07To Coulson
44:08During that meeting
44:08But we do know
44:09That on the 21st of January
44:11Andy Coulson
44:12Resigned
44:13He said
44:15Unfortunately
44:16Continued coverage
44:17Of events
44:17Connected to my old job
44:19At the News of the World
44:20Has made it difficult
44:21For me
44:22To give the 110%
44:23Needed in this role
44:24I stand by what I said
44:26About those events
44:27But when a spokesman
44:29Needs a spokesman
44:30It's time to move on
44:32Thank you
44:33This is the end
44:49Of a long
44:50As I am sure
44:51Everyone associated
44:52With this case
44:53Will agree
44:53Exhausting road
44:55In all the years
44:57That I have been a judge
44:58I have never come across
45:00A case
45:00In which there have been
45:01So many issues
45:03Or such complex issues
45:04To be resolved
45:05Before a trial
45:07Could even get underway
45:08The family will
45:10Inevitably
45:11Be disappointed
45:13By the outcome
45:14But they
45:15I think
45:15Should be commended
45:17On the dignity
45:19With which they have
45:20Faced these proceedings
45:22Mr. Rees
45:24Mr. Fillory
45:25Mr. Glenn Vian
45:27Mr. Gary Vian
45:29Please stand
45:30You are free to go
45:37Verdicts of not guilty
45:40Have been entered
45:41In all of your cases
45:43Thank you
45:46All
45:47Court rise
45:52Your dad
46:00He was a nice man
46:03You didn't know him
46:05You made him sound nice
46:08And
46:14To Andy Coulson
46:17May he disappear
46:19And never come back
46:21I may as well tell you
46:25We're reporting it
46:26Tomorrow
46:27Burdock's going for full control
46:31Of B-Sky B
46:32I did hear it was possible
46:36If he gets that
46:38He'll be able to leverage
46:39A serious amount of debt
46:40By more
46:42By bigger
46:42Talking
46:44World domination
46:46Why are you telling me this
46:48To remind you
46:52It's not over
46:52Remind me that they cut
46:55Coulson loose
46:56To save
46:57And their B-Sky B-B
46:58It's all
47:00It's all a false victory
47:02Not false at all
47:03Dissection
47:04Dissection
47:04Is a slow process
47:06We tackle them
47:07One limb at a time
47:10And eventually
47:11They run out of limbs
47:12Don't they?
47:18I'm tired
47:19I want to go home
47:21Agreed
47:21We rest
47:23We lick our wounds
47:24We take stock
47:26No, I don't
47:27I don't think
47:32I think on this story
47:33I think you need to find
47:34Someone to take over
47:35Sometimes you need to know
47:38When to stop
47:39It's time to stop
47:44I need to stop
47:45I'm sorry
47:49I don't think
48:19And I thought
48:22A bit of fresh air
48:23Might be in order
48:24No, I'm fine
48:25Well, you're not
48:26I'm alright
48:28No, you're not, mate
48:30Someone I want you to meet
48:33He helped me
48:35I think he can help you
48:38Get showered
48:40Get dressed
48:40Not leaving till you do it
48:41I'm serious
48:45Okay
48:49Okay
48:50I'm sorry
49:21I know a lot about you, DCS Cook.
49:32I appreciate you coming all this way.
49:34It's no problem.
49:36I'm interested to hear more about what's happened to you.
49:38I think I might be able to help.
49:51I think I might be able to help.
50:21I think I might be able to help.
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