00:00Okay, so clearly, as you say, extremely symbolic, this announcement, these announcements, I should say, from these different countries.
00:07And in terms of what it changes, I mean, my understanding is the Palestinians will go from being an entity in the minds of the countries that recognize Palestine as a state,
00:19to being, go from being an entity to a state.
00:22And I'm wondering whether that, therefore, translates into a kind of a diplomatic upgrade.
00:27Is that roughly how you'd see it?
00:30First of all, we shouldn't underestimate of the power of symbols and recognition in international politics.
00:37State recognition creates states.
00:40So in order to be a member in the international community, states must be recognized by the international community.
00:46So these symbolic acts are highly important.
00:50That's first.
00:51The second point I would like to say is what will be the next step?
00:56What are going to be the concrete steps?
00:59Translate that international legitimacy and recognition into the ground.
01:03Today we have this very interesting situation where the state of Palestine has the recognition of the large majority of international community,
01:12has what I would call international sovereignty or external sovereignty, but at the very same time, it doesn't have domestic sovereignty.
01:21It doesn't have control on the land and the people.
01:23So we have an interesting situation where the state has international legitimacy and international recognition,
01:30which means international sovereignty, but at the same time, it lacks domestic sovereignty or domestic control on the people and the territory.
01:37So the biggest challenge now, how we are going to translate that international sovereignty
01:42to domestic sovereignty on the empirical statehood in Palestine.
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