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00:00Субтитры сделал DimaTorzok

00:30Thank you very much for joining us on the Europe Conversation.

00:32Thank you for having me.

00:34Now we have this unprecedented announcement by the European Commission

00:37to suspend trade provisions within the EU-Israel Association Agreement.

00:42Can you tell us a little bit more of the details on this?

00:44Because of course it is unprecedented, but the other question is,

00:47will it pass amongst the member states?

00:49Well, that is always the question.

00:52Remember in July I gave the options to European Council,

00:57and also the foreign ministers on what are the tools to really pressure

01:01the Israeli government to change course?

01:03Because if everybody agrees on the diagnosis,

01:06then the question to us is, what do we do about this?

01:10And then now the proposals are on the table.

01:13One of them is the suspension of the trade part of the Association Agreement.

01:18We have a trade of 42.6 billion euros with Israel in 2024.

01:26So it is a significant amount.

01:29And when it comes to the preferential treatment,

01:31then 37% of that trade really has the preferential treatment.

01:37So definitely this step will have a high cost for Israel.

01:42Now the question you posed is very correct.

01:45Will it pass in the Council?

01:46So just to confirm, 37% of 42 billion is what's on the table?

01:51It's the preferential treatment under this Association Agreement.

01:55So goods coming from Israel will have duties applied to them?

01:58Yes.

01:58Okay.

01:59Well, one of the main countries blocking all of this,

02:01because it's a qualified majority rather than a unanimous vote

02:04on this particular proposal, is Germany.

02:07And it has been consistently for the last two years.

02:11What do you say to the German government if it decides to block this again?

02:14Well, we had very intensive discussions in the Foreign Affairs Council about this.

02:21And my question to all counterparts, because it's not only Germany,

02:25was that if you agree on the diagnosis, that the situation is extremely grave,

02:31the situation is disastrous and untenable,

02:35then the question is, what do we do about this?

02:37If you don't support these measures, then what measures can you support?

02:43Bring alternatives.

02:45At the same time, I mean, Germany has done a step when it comes to halting arms deliveries

02:52to Israel, which is a significant step also from Germany's side.

02:56And considering their public opinion, it has been difficult for them as well.

03:01Well, the announcement today, well, we've seen this Gaza ground offensive.

03:05We've also seen in the last week or so,

03:08the International Association of Genocide Scholars saying that what's happening in Gaza

03:11is a genocide.

03:12The UN Committee saying the same thing.

03:14Of course, Israel will say that this is a response to October 7th,

03:17a Hamas attack, and they're going after Hamas.

03:20But what is your impression of the situation in Gaza?

03:23Well, the Gaza offensive will just bring more destruction, devastation,

03:29and also loss of civilian lives.

03:32We don't see that it has a real result.

03:35I mean, the result has to be ceasefire, agreed by the parties

03:40and release of all hostages.

03:42And therefore, you know, we are also supporting all the efforts in regarding that.

03:49And we know it's for the courts to decide if a genocide is taking place.

03:52But what's your own impression, given these organizations that are coming out

03:55and saying that a genocide is happening

03:58and that the Genocide Convention itself says

04:01that everybody has a positive obligation to prevent genocide?

04:05No, of course, that's why we have been also agreeing with Israel

04:09on the humanitarian understanding,

04:11to really prevent all these atrocities happening,

04:15to really help the people on the ground.

04:17Do you think it might be a genocide?

04:19Well, it doesn't really matter what I think,

04:23because, as you said, accountability comes from the courts

04:26and the international law.

04:29So these institutions have stated that this is the analysis,

04:35and, of course, it's up to the courts to decide

04:37what is the really accountability for that.

04:40OK, you made an agreement with Israel just earlier in the summer

04:43to substantially increase the amount of humanitarian aid,

04:47border crossings and so on,

04:48or crossings to allow more trucks to come in.

04:50But that has not materialized,

04:52not in the way that it was agreed,

04:54because you must be seriously disappointed,

04:56because at one point there was hope

04:58that some people could be saved.

05:00But in actual fact, days after, moments after that agreement was signed,

05:03or it wasn't even signed or was agreed,

05:05and we saw children being killed at humanitarian sites trying to get water.

05:10Yeah.

05:11No, this has been very, very difficult,

05:16as we have been trying to do what we can

05:19to improve the situation on the ground.

05:22Now, the understanding that we had had many elements.

05:25I mean, more trucks getting in.

05:27Before July, it was zero trucks getting in with humanitarian aid.

05:30After that, we had altogether over 2,090-something trucks getting in.

05:37So it's more than zero, but it's not enough.

05:39I agree with you.

05:40Also, the reparation of critical infrastructure,

05:44the water desalination, the water coming into Gaza,

05:48also opening of the border crossings

05:51and the routes of Jordan and Egypt.

05:55So we saw the implementation of that,

05:59but still, I mean, it was not enough.

06:02And at the same time,

06:03the actions of really shooting at the people

06:06in the line of getting humanitarian aid,

06:09I mean, that does not go in the right direction.

06:13And that's why we are trying to put the pressure

06:15on the Israeli government to change the course.

06:17And there was zero trucks coming into Gaza.

06:19I mean, like, literally no food coming in,

06:22no baby formula, no nothing.

06:24Before July.

06:25After that, yes, there was more.

06:27Israel also attacked in Qatar Hamas leaders

06:31amid these hostage negotiations, peace negotiations.

06:35Even Israel's greatest ally, the United States,

06:37has been very critical of that.

06:39I mean, what does that do for the chance of ending the situation?

06:43Well, we see that there is no military solution to that conflict.

06:47Otherwise, it would have been already achieved

06:50if we look at this, what is going on in Gaza.

06:55So we really support all the diplomatic efforts

06:59to achieve ceasefire and also the release of hostages.

07:03Unfortunately, we are not there.

07:06And we've heard from the Spanish Prime Minister, Pedro Sánchez,

07:08that Israel needs to be essentially frozen out

07:10from all sporting and cultural events.

07:12We've seen some countries, the Netherlands, Ireland and so on,

07:16saying that they won't attend the Eurovision

07:17if Israel is allowed to do that.

07:19What's your own opinion about that freezing out of Israel?

07:23A bit like the way South Africa was during the apartheid era.

07:26Well, it's also what should be with the Russian athletes

07:33and has been also the steps that have been taken.

07:37I mean, this is clearly giving the messages

07:39of the international isolation that, you know,

07:43the public of different countries, of those countries,

07:47is not supportive of what the Israeli government is doing.

07:51What I want to really stress is that we also see

07:55the manifestations in Israel.

07:58It's not the Israeli people, but it's the Israeli government

08:01that has taken such actions that are creating also

08:04the situation in our public opinion to go against this.

08:12Do you think that they could be branded,

08:14or there's something anti-Semitic about this approach, though,

08:17to freeze Israelis out?

08:19This is, of course, the accusation on the other side.

08:24And that's why I want to keep the clear distinction

08:27that it's not all the steps that we are also doing

08:31on the European level.

08:32It's not against the Israeli people.

08:35It's to change the pressure the Israeli government

08:39to change course.

08:41Now, from a Ukrainian point of view,

08:43we had those 19 drone incursions into Poland.

08:45We also had one last night over the presidential palace.

08:48And really, the feeling is that Putin is no longer risk-averse

08:52when he's doing things like this.

08:54Yeah.

08:54No, Putin is clearly testing the West, how far he can go.

08:58And now it's up to us what is our response

09:01and how strong that is, how far we let them.

09:04What we have to keep in mind is that Putin also wants

09:08to sow fear inside our societies so that our governments

09:13would refrain from supporting Ukraine because, you know,

09:16saying that, you know, you don't want this war here,

09:19so don't support Ukraine.

09:20Let the Russians have what they want.

09:23But this is a wrong approach because this is exactly

09:26what Russians want, that they will get

09:29and the aggression will pay off.

09:31They will get what they want in Ukraine.

09:33And then we are all in danger.

09:35I think we have to keep that in mind.

09:36But he's also trying to pinpoint the difference in NATO

09:39between the United States approach and the European approach as well.

09:42And that is, that's obviously concerning, is it?

09:44Absolutely.

09:45And that's why our response should be unity,

09:48because he wants to divide us.

09:50That's very clear.

09:51He wants to divide us in the transatlantic relationship,

09:54but also divide us, I mean, in Europe,

09:57because when we are divided, we are weaker.

10:00That's very clear.

10:01So our response should be that we are not letting him do that.

10:04But isn't he right, though?

10:05I mean, the United States hasn't applied any sanctions

10:08in Trump's administration on Russia.

10:10Any sort of the threats against Russia around ceasefires,

10:14around impacts of not having a ceasefire,

10:17they haven't materialized.

10:18Donald Trump has not done anything.

10:19And there's no sign of any security guarantees.

10:22Well, yes.

10:23If we look at the peace efforts that President Trump has done,

10:28I mean, Putin is just mocking all those efforts.

10:30I mean, if you think about the meetings in Alaska,

10:33what happened afterwards is just Putin increased its attacks.

10:37It was the biggest ever aerial attack against Ukraine,

10:41now incursion against Poland.

10:43It should give us all a very clear understanding

10:46what we are up against.

10:48And we are, of course, in contact with our transatlantic partners

10:53to have the unity and cooperate also regarding sanctions.

10:57Because if we want this war to stop,

11:00then we should put the pressure on the one who actually wants war,

11:03which is Russia.

11:04And what if this happens again, more incursions,

11:07especially because the expensive nature of trying to shoot these downs

11:11is massive for Poland and NATO,

11:13these small drones which are inexpensive,

11:15costing a huge amount to defend European territory.

11:18And that's why we have put forward the drone wall idea

11:22so that it doesn't actually cost that much.

11:25You have the sensors so that you can get information

11:29whether drones are coming,

11:30plus you have the interceptor drones,

11:32so the drone wall, so to say,

11:34drone to take down drones.

11:36And that doesn't cost that much.

11:38And we have proposed that.

11:40And I yesterday was in NATO talking to SACUR

11:44also how we can cooperate regarding this

11:48because our interests are very much aligned.

11:51Okay. EU Foreign Policy Chief Kaya Callas,

11:52thank you very much for joining us on the Europe Conversation.

11:55Thank you.

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