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Senate President Pro Tempore Panfilo “Ping” Lacson on Thursday, Sept. 11, said the qualification of contractors Cezarah "Sarah" and Pacifico "Curlee" Discaya as possible state witnesses remains uncertain due to inconsistencies in their testimonies and their decision to retract statements before the House of Representatives. (Video courtesy of Senate of the Philippines)

READ: https://mb.com.ph/2025/09/11/lacson-discayas-credibility-testimonies-in-question-for-witness-protection-bid

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00:00Do you have a recommendation for the witness protection program for this case?
00:07Well, one-one, declined by SOJ.
00:11He said that one condition is restitution.
00:16So, they were talking about the basis for the President of the Senate.
00:22He didn't have the recommendation.
00:26In the first place, he didn't update it.
00:30Kasi nag-recommend doon, yung dating Senate Blue Ribbon Chairman.
00:34Dapat yun, i-update.
00:35Kung i-affirm ko yun, ako yung magbabalidate, ako yung magpipirma bilang new chairman.
00:42Outdated na yun eh.
00:45Pero dahil nga nagkausap sila ni, nasabi sa akin ni Senate President,
00:50na nagkausap sila ni Secretary Boying Rimulya.
00:54At yun nga, hindi rin papalusutin.
00:56So, anong use na i-endorse mo pa yun?
00:58Diba?
00:59Pero sa tingin niyo, qualified hindi?
01:01Yung mag-asawang diskaya sa...
01:03Eh, kasi nag-retrack sila eh.
01:04Pagdating sa house, iba naman ang sinasabi.
01:06So, how can you...
01:08How can they qualify kung hindi definite yung kanilang testimonya?
01:12Pag nasa house, iba sinasabi.
01:14Pag naandito, iba.
01:15So, anyway, titignan natin, baka dumating yung punto na pag naandito sila, mag-tell all, i-evaluate natin.
01:24Hindi ko sinasabi, definitely, pwede natin i-endorse sila sa Witness Protection Program.
01:29Pero kung parang opportunistic lang yung kanilang pakay para sila'y malibre sa kaso, at saka hindi namin call yun eh.
01:44Call yun ang...
01:44At saka kung susundan natin yung proseso, unahin na muna natin yung magkaroon sila muna ng legislative immunity.
01:52Matetest natin yung kanilang credibility as a possible state witness.
01:57Could depend sa kanilang testimonya.
01:59Kasi kung merong magpa-fact check sa inyo, magagaling kayo mag-fact check, at merong kulang at merong silang inumit sa kanilang testimonya,
02:08pwede hindi sila pumasa as a state witness.
02:11Kasi ang isang ano dyan, of course, pwede silang pumasok, possible, pero hindi tayo sigurado.
02:18Those are not the most guilty.
02:21Second, yung materiality ng kanilang testimonya na kayang i-corroborate ng independent evidence.
02:30Yun yung mga patakaran eh.
02:32So kung meron silang kinatago, papayagan ba natin para lang maligtas yung sarili nila?
02:38Eh ang laki rin ang kanilang dapat pananagutan, di ba?
02:42Mm-hmm.
02:43You
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