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00:00¡Gracias por ver!
00:30...escalation of in-ring violence
00:32What is this? These guys are crazy
00:34It felt so personal
00:37And I think that's why the fans were so involved with it
00:40People didn't know if it was scripted or not
00:43And the more popular it got, the more they had a top the last show
00:47An escalation embodied by the Sandman
00:51You know, got his jeans on, his t-shirt on, his kendo stick, smoking a cigarette, drinking a beer
00:56Fans like, I could be this guy
00:58You might think it is because all you see is a beer drinking, cigarette smoking scumbag
01:04Sandman's character was as organic as it could get
01:07God, I love you, see the room
01:09There's not a whole lot of difference between James Fullington and the Sandman
01:12What can I do that somebody hasn't done?
01:15I can make myself bleed before I get into the ring
01:17Nobody else has done that
01:19Though a hardcore icon, countless injuries and a lawless locker room create no shortage of controversies
01:27Leaving the Sandman with a brutal and complicated legacy
01:31Somebody has got to stop the Sandman
01:34Why fuck with what's going on in the back?
01:36There was the coke ads, there was the pot ads, there was, you know, painkillers
01:39And we got all the alcohol, drugs, pills that you could possibly think of
01:44I don't know if he remembers even half of the stuff that has ever happened
01:48I told my family, I said, tell them the fucking worst
01:52People need to know this
01:54He should have been dead a long time ago
01:57That entrance, let's talk about it for a second
02:10Yeah, alright
02:11For people who have never experienced it, like, what is the Sandman's entrance?
02:16So my music's playing, maybe some days it's 30 seconds, some days it's a minute and a half
02:21But at the one point, it's like, alright, everybody should be clapping your hands at this point
02:25So when I come in, I don't want everybody to see me at one time
02:30I want, like, some people to see me and they'll be like, oh shit, he's over there
02:33And then it works its way around the building
02:36And it might take 10, 15 seconds until everybody actually figures out you're over here
02:41And then at that point, I got him
02:44And it's time to pop a beer
02:46Back in the day, dude, I would drink, like, six beers on the way to the ring
02:50Smash him against my head
02:52I'd be bloody before I even get into the ring
02:54I mean, that's his personality
02:56He's drinking beer, spitting it out
02:59He's pouring beer down your throat
03:01You feel like you're part of it, and you are
03:06If you got a Sandman shirt on, you're definitely getting a beer poured down your throat
03:10You know what I'm saying?
03:11That's the best part of the show
03:13Unless you're wrestling, and if you're wrestling, it sucks
03:15You gotta wait for him to get to the ring
03:16But if you're watching, it's great
03:17You know, because he gives the fans to play wine
03:19He's one of them, you know
03:21It's a great entrance
03:23With those pants and put the do-rag on
03:26It's like the equivalent of, like, getting up and putting a hat on
03:29And, you know, going and doing your errands
03:30Except this guy was putting this shit on
03:32And going out and entertaining hundreds of thousands of people
03:36At this point, I'm having as much fun as they're having
03:39You know what I mean?
03:40Because this is what I want to do
03:42This is what I worked my whole life to be
03:45In this fucking moment right now
03:47You know what I mean?
03:48I want that moment to last forever
03:50You know, I want to live in that moment
03:51It's a party
03:53You know, his entrance is a party
03:55And, you know, once that's over
03:57Then, you know, you gotta see him wrestle
03:59Y'all, I'm the Sandman
04:05What the fuck up?
04:07But do people call you Hack?
04:09Yeah, dude
04:10My parents call me Hack
04:11My kids call me Hack
04:13My granddaughter calls me Poppy Hack
04:15I've had that name since I was five years old
04:17My older brother gave it to me
04:18And so, what's your introduction to professional wrestling?
04:21Oh, dude
04:22It was, like, Saturday afternoon
04:24I watched WWF at one o'clock on Saturdays
04:28It was Conrad
04:29Dude, that's all I ever wanted to be
04:33Was a professional wrestler
04:34And the bloody Sandman pulled through that tape
04:38Let's stick with your upbringing here
04:40You started getting in some trouble with the law a little bit
04:42I was all coked up
04:43And I was drunk
04:44And, um, I burglarized the house
04:47Which is basically the only, like, real, like, crime crime
04:50That I ever did
04:51And my first day in jail
04:53I punched a guard in the face
04:55I got in a fight with a guy over the television
04:57I was watching something
04:58And he went to change it
05:00And then we got in a fight
05:01The guards went to break it up
05:02He ducked
05:03I punched a guard in the face
05:05Broke his glasses
05:07I was lucky
05:07I didn't get charged with assault on a guard
05:10That could have been a couple years
05:11You know what I mean?
05:11But I ended up
05:12Literally going to the hole for six months
05:14I'm glad it happened
05:17Because, you know
05:18It's throwing a rock in a pond
05:20If that ripple's not there
05:21Maybe this ripple's not here
05:22It's just the stupid shit I walk into in my life
05:27I get out of jail
05:31It's, like, 84
05:32And, like, this new club opens up
05:34And, dude, the place holds 2,000 people
05:40It's, like, five stories high
05:42It's, like, the greatest thing ever
05:44So Thursday nights
05:45Was ten bucks all you could drink
05:46So I'm out there
05:48I'm on the dance floor
05:49Some blonde comes up
05:50And starts dancing with me
05:51Graves me by my hand
05:52And starts walking me across the dance floor
05:54I'm, like, all right
05:54Where am I going to go have sex with this chick?
05:58Where is
05:58Because that's exactly what I'm thinking
06:00We end up going up these stairs
06:02We're in this little frickin' office
06:04And I'm, like, why am I going to do this
06:05In this little office?
06:07She goes, take your shirt off
06:08I'm thinking, how am I going to screw her?
06:09She goes, listen
06:10I'm a producer and director for the Chippardales
06:13I want you to be at Chippardales
06:14I was one of those guys
06:16Who wore the black pants
06:17Tight pants
06:18The cuffs and the collar
06:19And I just entertained the women
06:20I don't leave the club
06:22Until 2 o'clock in the morning
06:23You know, you're snorting coke
06:24With the boys
06:25Who's down in the locker room
06:26Because that's just what you did
06:27Back in them days
06:28You know what I mean?
06:29And then I go out
06:30To the after hours club
06:31And then I go to the club
06:32That opened up at 6 a.m
06:34It's just crazy, man
06:36And that was my job
06:37For the next year or so
06:38Until I got fired for soliciting
06:39You got fired for what?
06:41Soliciting
06:42And I got
06:42Because they weren't paying
06:43A lot of money
06:44I had, like, four guys
06:45In on it with me
06:46So it was $100 to do us
06:49There was the Alpine Inn
06:50Down the street
06:50That was $42.50
06:52So it would cost you $100 for us
06:53$42.50 for the Alpine Inn
06:55For however long it took
06:56And that lasted for about six months
06:58Until, I don't know, just one day
07:01There was a couple state troopers
07:02They're like, listen
07:03We can file some charges
07:04Or you can quit
07:06And tell us who your boys are
07:08I said, well, I'm not telling you
07:09My boys are
07:10That's your job to figure that out
07:11But I'll quit
07:12So I was done
07:13He was not the type
07:15That I would have saw myself
07:17Going for, really
07:18He was very, um
07:19I don't know if you want to say
07:21Flamboyant
07:21But something drew me to him
07:24And believe it or not
07:26That night
07:26We sat and talked
07:27And he was just like
07:29I think I could love you
07:31Hey, I work quick
07:33Dude, that's kind of how I've been with
07:36It's like I meet him
07:37And then, like, I'm in
07:38I ended up, actually
07:40A few months later
07:42Finding out I was pregnant
07:43And he said he'd like to get married
07:45Before the child was born
07:47So he wasn't born out of wedlock
07:50Miss Peaches!
07:55My name is Lori Strzelecki
07:58A.K.A. Peaches from ECW
08:00And Sam Manzak's wife
08:02He was in construction at the time
08:05And Joel Goodhart
08:06Opened up a wrestling school
08:08I had to go check it out
08:09And then, next thing you know
08:10Dude, like, three days later
08:12I gave the guy, like, $3,500 bucks
08:14Three months later
08:15I was in the ring
08:15It's not gonna be pretty
08:17There's gonna be blood
08:18There's gonna be broken bones
08:20And it's me and you
08:21When I first saw him
08:22It was probably 1991
08:24He was a surfer
08:25He had white stuff on his nose
08:26He wore a wetsuit
08:27And he carried a surfboard
08:28From South Beach, California
08:30This is the Sandman!
08:34My name's Sabu
08:35I've been wrestling over 30 years
08:36And I participated in ECW
08:38Oh my God!
08:41I remember him
08:42And he came out with Peaches, his wife
08:44I met up with the promoter
08:46And he goes, I got your name
08:47You're gonna be Mr. Sandman
08:48And he looks at my wife
08:49And he goes, you're gonna be Peaches
08:50Peaches!
08:51I used to wear this god-awful wetsuit
08:56That smelled horrible
08:58I'm Kelly
09:00And the Sandman is my dad
09:02And he would come out with my mom
09:04Miss Peaches
09:04And he would come out with his stupid surfboard
09:07That was his very first gimmick
09:09You know, it started out
09:10Doing, like, little gymnasiums
09:12And, like, car dealerships
09:14But it was, like, just a fresh, new company
09:17It was, like, everybody was just getting their bearings
09:20You know, or feeling it out
09:22But he was consistent with it
09:25It was, like, his life's dream
09:26It's my pleasure for being here with all you people
09:29Because if it wasn't for you
09:30I wouldn't have this belt
09:32I was whipped
09:33The gimmick was bad
09:34His ability was not
09:36I mean, he was big
09:37He was good-looking
09:39Very bright
09:39Very athletic
09:40My name is Todd Gordon
09:42I'm the creator and the founder
09:44Of Extreme Championship Wrestling
09:45Well, thank heaven
09:46Here's our commissioner
09:47Here's Todd
09:48Sandman and I have been best friends
09:49Since we first met 30 years ago
09:51When I started my own company
09:53Which was Eastern Championship Wrestling
09:54At the time
09:55Which became Extreme Championship Wrestling
09:57He was one of my first
09:58Grouping of people to use
10:00I've had that belt
10:01I've been there before
10:02And I'll be there again
10:04Sandman now on top of things
10:06Philadelphia's Eastern Championship Wrestling
10:09Was a struggling indie promotion
10:11Until the arrival of Paul Heyman
10:13Transforms the company
10:15Into extreme championship wrestling
10:18He's done it
10:22Paul Heyman was the right guy
10:25Because he's a great mind for the business
10:28How to be a rule breaker
10:30101
10:31Dude, he's the greatest mind ever
10:33In the history of professional wrestling
10:35Creatively, nobody could touch Paul Heyman
10:38Come anywhere close to that
10:41I would not be sitting here right now
10:44If it wasn't for Paul Heyman
10:46Giving me the ball
10:47And let me run
10:48First night, I go in there
10:50Fucking, he sees me at the surfboard
10:52He goes, that's getting broken
10:53Over your head tonight
10:54And then the next thing you know
10:57I forgot my wrestling boots
10:59I'm like, Paul, sorry dude
11:01I forgot my wrestling boots
11:02He goes, I don't give a fuck
11:04I'm like, I don't have to wear wrestling shoes no more
11:07Dude, it was a fucking white bulb
11:12Going off in my head
11:13When Paul Heyman says
11:15Don't give a fuck if they're wearing wrestling boots
11:19I'm like, boom
11:20I'm not even gonna change
11:21I'm gonna wear the clothes
11:23I'm gonna show up to the arena
11:25And dude, I'm gonna be me
11:28I'm just gonna fucking be me out there
11:30And it got to that
11:32It was at that point
11:33I'm like, you're never gonna be able
11:34To walk through this curtain again
11:35Like, you literally cannot enter the ring
11:38Like a normal wrestler
11:40Ever again
11:41Because this is what's expected of you
11:42He will be more hardcore
11:52Than the next Tracing Lords video
11:54And as for me, Paul Heyman
11:56Haven't had a shave in a couple weeks
11:58And don't look like I really care anymore
12:01Upon Paul Heyman's arrival
12:04The Sandman drops his surfer look
12:07Changing with the times
12:09To reinvent himself
12:10With a whole new persona
12:11I was always trying to figure
12:14What hasn't somebody done?
12:16Well, the good time's over
12:17Here comes the Sandman
12:19I'm the guy that's in the bar
12:20Loses game of pool
12:21And once again, I don't fight with you
12:23That was me in my life, dude
12:25That was my regular Friday and Saturday night
12:28You know what I mean?
12:29Like, I was a gimmick by my side
12:31I was born as a gimmick
12:32We got to be ourselves in the dressing room
12:35And ourselves in the ring
12:36The beauty of Paul's intelligence
12:38Is he makes you figure it out
12:40With trial and error
12:42That's how he became the Sandman
12:44Hey, Daddy
12:45My name is Bill Fonzie Alfonso
12:48And I am a 40-year-plus veteran
12:51Of sports entertainment
12:53He's a winner!
12:54He's a winner!
12:56Fuck you, Alex!
12:58He would put things together in his head
13:00That he thought would work in ECW
13:02And they did
13:03Life's a bitch
13:05And then you marry one
13:09He's a typical Philly guy
13:12Like, you go to a bar
13:13You get in a brawl
13:14You know, here's the dude
13:15He was a relatable character
13:17People could kind of identify
13:19With that South Philly vibe
13:21He was your buddy
13:22Who would come off the couch
13:24And just step into the ring
13:25And swing a cane
13:27And drink a beer
13:27My name is Raven
13:29Professional wrestling superstar
13:31But you already know that
13:32For the first time ever
13:34Raven
13:36Goes one-on-one
13:38With the Sandman
13:39You know, every fan says
13:40Oh, I would get in the ring
13:42Sandman with the guillotine legs
13:44But he's the guy
13:45That actually goes and does it
13:47Part of being a good worker
13:48Is knowing how to get
13:49Your character over
13:50And how to keep
13:51Your character over
13:51And he's done that
13:53For, you know
13:5435 years now
13:55So is there trial and error
13:57When you're coming up with stuff?
13:58Well, yeah
13:59And like
13:59Coming through the crowd
14:01I think I came through the crowd
14:02Because me and Missy
14:04Were coming through the crowd
14:05Dude
14:07Me and Missy
14:11We're in fucking Queens
14:15And there's a strip club
14:18Me and Missy
14:19Are over in the strip club
14:21And my music's playing
14:22It's already played once
14:23This whole time
14:23So I wasn't going
14:25Fucking up through the back
14:26You're doing there
14:27I just went through
14:28The front fucking door
14:29Boom
14:31Light bulb
14:31Nobody's come through
14:33The crowd before
14:34Just drinking his beer
14:35Walking through the audience
14:36Meanwhile
14:37He's drunk off his ass
14:38By that
14:38And he's
14:39And he's drinking five
14:40On the way to the ring
14:41We trusted him
14:42Because we knew
14:44He was able to do it
14:46My name is RVD
14:48That stands for
14:49Rob Van Dam
14:51You know
14:55He proved himself
14:56That he was able to
14:58Wrestle
14:58When he was drunk
15:00Watching him
15:01I would get nervous
15:01With his freaking ass
15:03Climbing up on the top rope
15:04And I'm like
15:04Is he really gonna
15:05Attempt this aerial maneuver
15:07Right now
15:08I know I can trust him
15:12Drunk
15:12Anybody drunk
15:13No
15:14Sandman yes
15:15Anybody else
15:16I wouldn't allow it either
15:17But Sandman
15:18You're not drunk
15:19I'm not wrestling you
15:20So how did the
15:22Singapore king
15:23Come to be
15:23So it's a Sunday
15:25Paul's like
15:26Let's go outside
15:26And we're standing
15:27Next to this fucking tree
15:28Paul goes
15:29You know that kid overseas
15:30That got caught
15:31Spray baiting the car
15:32I'm like yeah
15:33Kid Michael Fay
15:34He goes good
15:35You know what I'm talking about
15:36Singapore had sentenced
15:37An 18 year old American
15:39To six strokes
15:40With a bamboo cane
15:41And I said yeah
15:42Dude you ever seen
15:43That fucking cane
15:44That they use
15:44Every shot they hit you with
15:45It makes you bleed
15:46He goes
15:47You're gonna start
15:48Carrying a Singapore cane
15:49To the ring
15:49I'm like Paul
15:50Okay
15:51What am I gonna use
15:52He goes
15:53Rips a branch
15:55Off the fucking tree
15:56Rips all the little
15:58Other branches off
15:59And says
15:59Get some tape
16:00Wrapping around there
16:00That's gonna be
16:01Your Singapore cane
16:02I want you to
16:02Cut a promo with it
16:03The first ever
16:04Singapore canning match
16:07May 14th
16:09Saturday night
16:10ECW
16:10And now
16:12It's the Sandman canning
16:14Ironman Tommy Cairo
16:16Did you hear that?
16:18And then the angle
16:19With Dreamer
16:20Just
16:20What happened there?
16:22It went to 10 lashes
16:23I can't look
16:25It skyrocketed
16:28Both of our careers
16:29He got his ass kicked
16:30But he took it
16:31Like a man
16:32And Philly loves that
16:33Thank you sir
16:34May I have another
16:36And the Sandman
16:38Takes an 11th shot
16:39It's hardcore
16:40Because it's real
16:42And to me
16:43You're pulling something
16:44Out of the inside
16:45Of somebody
16:45That they're feeling
16:47Somehow
16:48What you're doing
16:48In the ring
16:49Hardcore isn't
16:50Violence
16:51To do violence
16:52To me
16:53Like the hardcore
16:53Is violence
16:54For a reason
16:55And then it just
16:56Means more people
16:57And you can see it
16:57In their faces
16:58And you can see
16:59How they react
17:00Sandman wasn't
17:01A wrestler
17:02He was a entertainer
17:04That's what ECW
17:07Was about
17:08Wrestling is entertainment
17:09And you don't have
17:10To do a wrist lock
17:11A wrist watch
17:12A moonsault
17:12To get over
17:13It doesn't have
17:14To be wrestling
17:15I am getting ready
17:16To take you
17:17To a new level
17:19Of extreme
17:20He got better
17:22And better
17:22And knew how
17:23To play the Sandman
17:24And he was just
17:25Acting this part out
17:27Everybody was
17:27Kind of riding
17:28That high
17:29Everyone was like
17:29Man like
17:30They made it
17:31We're in this
17:31Very concentrated
17:32Community
17:33And everybody
17:34Knew who he was
17:35He just dropped
17:36Me off at school
17:37And he's got
17:38Gash marks on his
17:39Head from like
17:40The beer cans
17:41And my teacher's like
17:42Tyler are you alright
17:43I'm Tyler Fullington
17:45And the Sandman
17:46Is my father
17:47Every time
17:48He was home
17:49You know
17:50He made sure
17:50To spend time
17:51With us
17:51Because he knew
17:52He would be
17:53On the road
17:54You know
17:54A lot
17:54And be away
17:55And he wanted
17:56To make sure
17:57That his kids
17:58Were having his time
17:59When he was home
17:59You know
17:59Hurting or not
18:00He would just
18:01Roll out of bed
18:02Throw his pants on
18:03And like
18:03Let's roll
18:04Literally he would say
18:06Let's roll
18:07The older and older
18:08I got
18:09I felt
18:09This is cool and all
18:10But at times
18:11I'd rather
18:12Just have my dad
18:13Sandman's schedule
18:18Becomes even more
18:19Punishing
18:19As ECW
18:21Explodes in popularity
18:22By constantly
18:23Pushing their own
18:24Limits
18:25Paul's show
18:29Was aimed
18:30At adults
18:31The Sandman
18:32Exposes his ex-wife
18:33And so
18:34Storylines
18:35Were adult
18:36The Sandman
18:37Has got a hold
18:38Of his wife
18:39He just
18:40He just pulled up
18:41Her
18:41And woman
18:41Is lashing peaches
18:43Just thought
18:44Like this is
18:44Like the furthest
18:45Thing from pro wrestling
18:47But Paul
18:48Would guide us
18:50The way that
18:50ECW energy
18:51Needed to be
18:52Well I had Nancy
18:54With me too
18:54So that helps
18:55Why thank you
18:56Sandman
18:57And that's just
18:58The beginning
18:58I've been known
18:59To enhance
19:00A few careers
19:01She was so smart
19:03I would be like
19:03Yeah I want to do it
19:04This way
19:04She goes no
19:05We're not doing it
19:06That way
19:06We're doing it
19:07This way
19:07I'm like
19:08Alright
19:08And so
19:12If something happens
19:14Outside of
19:16The wrestling world
19:17They're gonna go with it
19:18And the fans
19:18Are gonna know
19:19About it anyway
19:20Because they were all
19:21What we call
19:22The smart fans
19:24Or the smarts
19:25I walk into the building
19:26And Paul Heyman
19:27Goes to me
19:28I've been talking
19:28To Macaulay Culkin
19:29This is what we're gonna do
19:32We're gonna bring him in
19:33As your kid
19:34I'm like dude
19:34I have a Macaulay Culkin
19:36Sitting right out in my van
19:37He goes great
19:38We'll use Tyler
19:38That's just one of Paul's lies
19:41I had no connection
19:42To Macaulay Culkin at all
19:43That's a lie?
19:44Yeah
19:45Everybody thinks it's real
19:47Of course they do
19:47He can sell you snowballs
19:49In winter
19:49Trust me
19:50I was about six years old
19:51My mom, dad
19:53Came up to me
19:54How would you like to be
19:55Like part of the show
19:56Or
19:56I'm like
19:57Uh
19:58I guess
19:59What am I gonna do?
20:00I just remember
20:01He takes my wife
20:01And then he takes my kid
20:03And then we're off
20:04To the races
20:05The Sandman's wife Lori
20:13Has long been an ECW fixture
20:15As part of her husband's storylines
20:17And now takes center stage
20:19In his latest feud with Raven
20:20You took my child
20:22Tonight
20:23I'm gonna take you Raven
20:25To the extreme
20:27But bringing his son Tyler
20:29Into the mix
20:30Is something the wrestling world
20:32Hasn't seen
20:32And wouldn't expect
20:34Oh dear Lord
20:35I don't even know
20:36How it all began
20:37Inside
20:39This woman's body
20:41Began the constant evolution
20:43Of the Sandman's successor
20:45Sandman and my feud
20:47I would say
20:48Is one of the greatest feuds
20:50In the history of the business
20:51But I'm partial
20:52Because I was in the feud
20:53But I really think that
20:54Everybody knows somebody
20:57Who has a marriage
20:58That got ended in divorce
20:59Where the child is used
21:01As a prop
21:01To gain concessions
21:03All the abuse
21:05The suffering
21:06The emotional alienation
21:08That I took as a child
21:09Is now being inflicted
21:11Upon your son Sandman
21:12And it's the most low down
21:14Dirty and cruel thing
21:15You can do
21:16So I'm like
21:17Oh this is great
21:18The big crux of it was
21:19That Raven and Sandman
21:20Had been feuding
21:21And they wanted to take it
21:22To the next level
21:23So Raven
21:24He quote unquote
21:25Stole Sandman's wife
21:26I've already picked her out
21:28To the whole locker room
21:29Before
21:30But then he stole
21:31Sandman's son Tyler
21:32Which is really controversial
21:33Because we had a kid
21:34Who's like five years old
21:35In the ring
21:36Next thing you know
21:38Here we are
21:39He's got a little
21:40Flannel shirt on
21:41And they just coached him
21:43In the back
21:44A little bit
21:44Just what to say
21:45And you know
21:46Don't you dare
21:48Fucking smile out there
21:49Nothing
21:51I don't want any reaction
21:52From you
21:53On anything
21:54This is where your face is
21:55What do you think
21:57About that kid
21:58That's your face
21:59And that's the way you stay
22:00Look at him
22:01There's the face
22:02Right there
22:02There's the face
22:03That's the face
22:04That always told him
22:05To have more
22:06Money shot
22:07I can close my eyes
22:09And see him
22:10Dress like Raven
22:11It was crazy
22:13I was young
22:14And naive
22:15You know
22:16Me and my mom
22:17Are coming down the aisle
22:18Raven's a bloody mess
22:19He's got barbed iron
22:19In his hair
22:20Or something like that
22:20We just get in front
22:21Raven says
22:22Tyler tell him
22:24Tyler tell him
22:24Daddy you're drunk
22:26Now I worship Raven
22:28I hit the line
22:30And you could hear
22:31Like a somberness
22:33Like almost over the crowd
22:34Like
22:34Ooh
22:36Like
22:36Like that hurt
22:38It wasn't like a cheer
22:39It wasn't like a boo
22:41Like it was like
22:42Oh shit
22:43Like
22:43Damn
22:44I worship Raven
22:46And the whole place
22:47Was like
22:48Oh
22:49Oh my
22:51Quiet
22:53And you don't hear that
22:55In the arena
22:56These people ate it up
22:58They were just like
22:59Holy shit
22:59You just hurt the sandman
23:01Like Raven became
23:02Like Raven became the
23:03The heel's heel
23:04You know
23:05Now you came in
23:06And you stole his family
23:07That shit put asses in seats
23:10Don't do this
23:12Don't do this
23:13Tyler is an amazing actor
23:15Hey you little bastard
23:16Why don't you shut up
23:18The sandman's not even
23:19Your real dad
23:20He never missed a cue
23:23He never missed a spot
23:24Shut up
23:25Shut up kid
23:26We'd be gone
23:27Doing promos
23:28After the show
23:29And I'd be drunk
23:30And I'd screw up a promo
23:31Or I'd forget to give him the line
23:32And he would still
23:33Hit the line anyway
23:34Exactly in the right spot
23:35I mean he was amazing
23:36Hey kid
23:37You know the divorce
23:39Was your daddy's fault
23:39Don't you
23:40I know
23:41I think I know now
23:43More like
23:44Looking back on it
23:45Like
23:46Hey you know
23:46Those guys were
23:47Pretty fucking crazy
23:48You know
23:48Like but
23:49At the time
23:50I was just being a kid
23:51I don't even know
23:52If I was prepared for it
23:54And I'm like
23:54Oh my god
23:55This is really happening
23:56And I'm thinking
23:57This is gonna turn
23:59My life upside down
24:00You know
24:00Cause everything
24:01Had to be separate
24:02Travel separate
24:04Show up separate
24:05Leave separate
24:06It was crazy
24:07We'd be
24:09Leaving the arena
24:10Separate cars
24:11And you have a meeting spot
24:12You pull up to the gas station
24:14And kind of look
24:15Like anybody
24:15With an ECW shirt on
24:17Like
24:17Alright get out
24:18Switch cars
24:18Like get back in the car
24:19You know
24:19Stuff like that
24:20You know
24:21The marks
24:21They're always out
24:23Always looking for you
24:24They know exactly
24:25Who you are
24:26Where you go
24:27And
24:28It's hard
24:28Trying to keep
24:29That whole storyline
24:30Separate
24:31For as long as we did
24:33Me
24:34My dad
24:35My mom
24:36Tyler
24:37We did this all together
24:38They might have been
24:39In the spotlight
24:40But we did this
24:41All together
24:41We're traveling to shows
24:43Constantly every week
24:44You know
24:45That was life
24:46Shit there were times
24:48We'd be driving around
24:49New York
24:49And they would find
24:50This like playground
24:50It's like
24:51Two o'clock in the morning
24:52We were in like
24:53Bumfuck New York
24:54And it was pouring rain
24:55And Raven was like
24:56This is like
24:57The best weather
24:58To like
24:59We gotta shoot this promo
25:00I am their salvation
25:03And at the very end
25:05They cut to me
25:06And I just hit
25:08Quote to Raven
25:09Nevermore
25:10Quote to Raven
25:12Nevermore
25:13I had one line
25:17Cut it
25:18And I guess
25:19I got to go back to sleep
25:20You see
25:21I control the children
25:23I just think
25:24They got away
25:25With doing so much
25:26That other companies
25:28Didn't
25:28And they just
25:29Really pushed
25:31The line
25:31They pushed
25:32Every limit
25:33That they could
25:34This is just
25:35Heartbreaking
25:36I couldn't do it
25:38Mentally anymore
25:39And I didn't want
25:40My kids to be
25:40A part of it anymore
25:41It was too much
25:43The Sandman
25:46And Raven's
25:47Storyline
25:47Proves to be
25:48A massive success
25:49For the company
25:50But their attempt
25:51To take it
25:52To the next level
25:52Could end up
25:54Bringing ECW down
25:55The best way
25:58To describe Raven
25:58Is he's a martyr
25:59For society's dysfunction
26:01And he wants
26:01Everyone to feel
26:02His pain
26:03So I came up
26:04With the idea
26:04Of putting Sandman
26:05Up on a cross
26:06So he could feel
26:06My pain
26:07So I'm like
26:08I can't build a cross
26:09He goes
26:09I'll build it
26:10Idiot face
26:10Dude people don't
26:11Realize that
26:12I used to build
26:13Shit dude
26:13That's what I was
26:14I was fucking
26:15I was a roofer
26:16I was a concrete dude
26:18I was a carpenter
26:19So he built
26:20His own cross
26:21And we had
26:22A thorny crown
26:22We had a barbed wire
26:23Crown to be
26:24The thorny crown
26:25We made sure
26:28We got all
26:28The little touches
26:29On it
26:29So we throw
26:30Sandman out
26:31To the floor
26:31Meet Stevie
26:32Nomeni
26:32And Nova
26:33And we start
26:34Tying him
26:34To the cross
26:35We start
26:36Hoisting it up
26:37And all of a sudden
26:39The place goes
26:40Oh shit
26:41Putting my dad
26:44On a cross
26:45That's the
26:46It's a holy figure
26:47With barbed wire
26:49Wrapped around his head
26:50As if he's
26:51You know
26:52This embodiment
26:52Of Jesus Christ
26:53I wasn't raised
26:57Very religious
26:57Clearly
26:58But somebody
27:00Seeing that
27:01I mean
27:01I was like
27:02What the fuck
27:04Is gonna happen
27:06Now
27:06As the sandman
27:14And Raven
27:15Steal the ECW
27:16Spotlight
27:17Both are looking
27:18To shock the audience
27:20But neither man
27:21Is prepared
27:21For the backstage
27:22Fallout
27:23I'm on the cross
27:25And Stevie's like
27:26This is fucked up
27:27I'm like
27:28Shut the fuck up
27:28This is great Stevie
27:29And then we get
27:30To the fucking
27:30Fucking back
27:31And I'm like
27:32Damn that was
27:32Fucking great guys
27:33And Paulie's like
27:35There's so much
27:36Heat on this
27:36I'm like why
27:37And then everything
27:38Was great
27:38Except fucking
27:39Kurt Angle
27:39Happened to be
27:40In the fucking
27:40Building that night
27:41You know
27:41He's this Olympian
27:42It's his first time
27:43Being around pro wrestling
27:44And shit like that
27:45You have to understand
27:46I'm a Christian
27:47Kid from Pittsburgh
27:49And when I saw it
27:51I was like
27:51Oh my god
27:52It's a crucifixion
27:53I was really upset
27:54And I went to Paul Heyman
27:56And I said
27:56Hey
27:56You can't air this show
27:58With me on
27:58If you do
27:59You're gonna hear
27:59From my attorney
28:00And Paul said
28:01Well I need to know
28:02What's gonna happen
28:03He's the promoter
28:04It's the main event
28:06He's full of shit
28:07That was my last straw
28:09Paul wants to get
28:10This Olympic
28:10Fucking
28:11Champion to come
28:12Work for fucking
28:13ECW
28:13You know what I mean
28:14So Paul's kissing his ass
28:15So they get fucking
28:17Raven to go out
28:18In the pot
28:18I said
28:19That's fucking bullshit
28:20I disagree
28:21Fuck all you dudes
28:22And I just walked away
28:23And so for the people
28:24Who I deeply offended
28:25I apologize
28:26Despite the controversy
28:28Surrounding the crucifixion angle
28:30The scandal doesn't slow
28:32The Sandman's momentum
28:33Dude
28:34Are you kidding me
28:35Me and my man
28:36Scorp
28:36We have the tag team titles
28:38I have the heavyweight title
28:40And he's got
28:41The TV title
28:42When you and your boy
28:43Got all the titles
28:44In the company
28:45Then you know
28:45You're doing something right
28:46Despite the accolades
28:49And championships
28:49Life on the road
28:51And ECW's
28:52Hard-hitting style
28:53Are taking a toll
28:55On the Sandman's body
28:56Oh my god
28:59A lot of injuries
29:00From that hard-hitting style
29:02What are you kidding me
29:02I've broken like 27 bones
29:04Yeah
29:05Broken my neck
29:06This clavicle
29:07Three times
29:08I need a new hip
29:09I need two shoulder surgeries
29:11Dude
29:11A superplex off the top rope
29:13Is a 30 mile an hour car crash
29:15Imagine doing 10 of them
29:16Every day of your life
29:17Forget it
29:18I got operated on
29:21This leg is operated on
29:22That morning
29:23They shaved my meniscus
29:24And flew back to Philly
29:26I came into the ring
29:27I had crutches
29:28You know what I'm saying
29:29You love what you're doing
29:31So much
29:32That you just don't care
29:34I actually was home one night
29:37And I got a call from Todd
29:39And he said
29:40Hax got a concussion
29:41And he can't remember
29:42And I was like
29:43Ah that's a good one
29:44You guys just go have fun
29:46And stop trying to goat me
29:48And he's like
29:49I'm not kidding
29:50He got hit in the head
29:51And he doesn't remember anything
29:53And he's like
29:54I'm dead serious
29:55So I had gone down
29:57And sure enough
29:59There he was
30:01Who won the match?
30:02What did it look like?
30:04I said
30:05I don't know
30:05I wasn't there
30:06Who won the match?
30:07It was relentless
30:09And then that was early on
30:10And there's countless times after that
30:13I was like
30:14You can't keep doing this
30:16You're not going to be able to do things with the kids
30:20You know
30:21They just want to keep on going
30:23That's all they know
30:24You get hurt
30:26You get hurt
30:27So be it
30:28Suck it the fuck up
30:29He would never take a pill
30:33And then it just got to the point
30:35Where you're getting this pain
30:37And well okay
30:39Couple
30:40Leads to a couple more
30:42And your body gets used to it
30:43And a couple more
30:44And then you're drinking
30:45And then you got to go to bed
30:47So you're taking Xanax
30:49And then you got to be up
30:51So you're doing cocaine
30:52It's a vicious cycle
30:55And once you get on it
30:56It's very hard to get off
30:58You know
31:00I knew what was going on
31:01I knew what he kept in his fanny pack
31:03What am I going to say?
31:04I'm a kid
31:05I don't know
31:06I'm 12, 13 years old
31:07Like I don't know what a Xanax is
31:09Or you know
31:09A perk
31:10Or whatever
31:11At the time
31:12Like
31:13Pain medicine
31:14That's all I know
31:15And if
31:15You know
31:16I've got to trust him
31:17Yes
31:17To help my back
31:18Help my neck
31:19You know
31:20All right
31:21You know
31:21Do what you got to do
31:22You work 300 nights a year
31:23Getting body slammed
31:25And you tell me
31:25What you would do
31:26You know
31:27As time went on
31:28Of course they have
31:29The barbed wire
31:30The chairs
31:31The light bulbs
31:32The tacks
31:33So
31:34A couple perks
31:35Some somas
31:36And it just
31:38Progressed
31:40I used to joke back then
31:41If you pass a piss test
31:43You can't work for us
31:44We all got high
31:45We all partied
31:45That's what we did
31:46I remember my first
31:48Bag of pills I found
31:49I knew exactly what it was
31:51I remember my first
31:52Bag of coke that I found
31:53First line of coke I found
31:54The older and older I got
31:56He was taking drugs
31:58And you know
31:59Just going down the wrong path
32:00We used to go
32:02On one month
32:03Every Friday
32:04We'd have three doctors
32:05That we would go see
32:06In Philadelphia
32:07All three doctors
32:08Would give us
32:1090 oxycodone 80s
32:12So you're getting
32:14270 oxycodone 80s
32:17You're getting
32:17300 Percocets
32:20You're getting
32:21300 somas
32:23And everybody would come out
32:25We would call it all
32:25We would get our booty
32:26There was a lot of drugs
32:28That went around
32:29The dressing room
32:29I remember one time
32:31I had a friend
32:32That had brought me
32:32Some mushrooms
32:33And I was looking forward
32:35To trying them
32:36After my match
32:37Came for them later
32:38And my bag was empty
32:40And I was like
32:42Man who ate my mushrooms
32:44And Sandman was like
32:45Oh were those yours
32:47And he ate the whole bag
32:50He should be dead
32:51Sandman should be dead
32:52Raven
32:54Sandman
32:55And I was driving in a car
32:56We're going 200 miles
32:57Raven had got hurt
32:59Like the week before
33:00He had it ruptured
33:02Just sticking out
33:03So they gave him
33:04This highly addictive narcotic
33:07So we have to stop
33:08At a gas station
33:09So I can go to the bathroom
33:11And so I can shoot up
33:12Because I've got to
33:13Get my dose in
33:13I had never shot anything before
33:15But I'd seen TV shows
33:17And shit like that
33:18I'm like dude
33:19What are you doing?
33:19He's like I'm shooting an 80
33:20He goes it's really good
33:22I'm like well damn
33:22I want to try
33:23I'm in
33:24You know
33:25Because I'm a druggie
33:26So I go to shoot
33:27A whole 80
33:28He goes dude
33:28Do not shoot a whole 80
33:30You do not want
33:31I'm like I should have
33:32Five of these things a day
33:33I could shoot an 80
33:34So he shoots up
33:35The same amount too
33:36And we get back in the SUV
33:37And we start driving
33:39Sandman starts going like
33:41He can't breathe right
33:44I said Raven
33:45Sandman's having trouble breathing
33:47He said oh he'll be alright
33:48About five minutes later
33:50I said hey daddy
33:51His lips are turning blue
33:53We're like what?
33:54He's like his lips are turning blue
33:56We're like holy shit
33:57He's ODing
33:58Now we got a problem
34:00He's dying
34:01The Sandman's reckless nature
34:09And persistent drug use
34:10Have landed him on the brink of death
34:12Thank God
34:14They stopped
34:14They called the ambulance
34:16The ambulance came
34:17The adrenaline shot needle
34:18They take me to the hospital
34:23I wake up at like 4 in the morning
34:25I ripped the shit out of my arms
34:27Grabbed my shit out of the hospital
34:28Fucking went into the hotel
34:30Fell asleep
34:30Got up and went to the show
34:31The next day
34:32And shot an Oxycontinating
34:34And loved it
34:34I liked it so much
34:35I'm like dude
34:36I can't do this again
34:37I'll end up fucking
34:38Really actually being dead
34:39Never did it again
34:41I found bills in my mail
34:44That show that he was resuscitated
34:48From shooting up and flatlining
34:50And he never told me
34:52I wasn't telling her
34:53Oh yeah
34:54I OD'd fucking on the road last week
34:56Almost died
34:57Yeah I'm not coming home
34:59With that story
35:00Fucking Sunday afternoon
35:01As the Sandman struggles
35:03With his personal issues
35:04ECW experiences a decline
35:07As its top stars
35:08Leave for bigger
35:09More mainstream promotions
35:11Towards the end of ECW
35:13WCW and WWF
35:15Was picking our talent
35:17They would leave us
35:18And go to WWF
35:19So Sandman got one of those offers
35:22To go to WCW
35:23And make five times the money
35:25He was making in ECW
35:27So why wouldn't he
35:28And all the guys up there
35:29Were huge
35:30Big monster guys
35:32And Sandman was
35:33A big tall kid
35:34But not big muscle bound
35:36But he wanted to get big
35:37But he didn't
35:38Remember he didn't work out
35:39He didn't go to the gym at all
35:40So he ordered
35:41All kind of steroids
35:43Called the gas
35:44So that's the six months
35:46That I was doing
35:46The juice
35:47The steroids
35:48And the growth hormone
35:49And the only reason
35:50Why I did it
35:50Was because
35:51I was going to WCW
35:52And that was the land
35:53Of the freaking giants
35:55What was funny about
35:56When Sam and I went to WCW
35:59Was he got jacked
36:00Like for the first time ever
36:02Of course we had access
36:06To the best gas
36:07On the planet
36:08From Germany
36:10Or whatever
36:10The latest shit
36:11That makes you big
36:12So he was on it
36:14And it affects your thought
36:16It makes you mean
36:17Sometimes it has an effect
36:19On your personality
36:20It turned my dad
36:22Into an abusive
36:24Harmful individual
36:26And my mom
36:27Turned into this
36:28Almost subservient
36:30Meek
36:31Woman
36:32For a little while
36:33Breaking point for me
36:34Was the abuse
36:35So your dad
36:36Was actually like
36:36Getting physically abusive
36:37Yeah
36:38My hair pulled
36:41I had a pillow
36:42Put over my face
36:43Not just
36:45Physically abused
36:46But mental abuse
36:48You're stupid
36:49You know
36:51A bunch of that
36:52And sometimes
36:53The mental stuff
36:54Was harder
36:54Than the
36:55Physical
36:56We were at his house
36:59And we were at the table
37:01And he's being a dick
37:01To his wife
37:02And he poured a beer
37:04On her head
37:05And he wouldn't have done it
37:06Unless he was
37:07All fucking gassed up
37:09And drunk
37:10So
37:11Sam had just got a shipment
37:12$10,000 shipment
37:14Of steroids
37:16And pizzas
37:18Went in the refrigerator
37:19And she fucking
37:20Dumped it
37:21All out
37:22In the front lawn
37:23And he said
37:24Do you realize
37:24You just dumped
37:25$10,000
37:25I was with the shit
37:27And she said
37:27I don't give a fuck
37:28Sam and you're acting
37:29Like a dick
37:29On this shit
37:30I don't care
37:32You know
37:32Because it made him
37:33Angry
37:34Like he was just
37:36Angry
37:37It hurt
37:39As much as I loved him
37:41I hated his guts
37:42You know
37:43Because it was difficult
37:44It was extremely difficult
37:45To see my mom go through
37:46What she had to go through
37:47And like
37:48You love us so much
37:49How could you treat
37:49Somebody you love like that
37:51He's your parent
37:52And you know it's not right
37:53But you don't know
37:54How to help
37:54You know
37:55You don't know what to do
37:56It got harder
37:57And harder
37:58To you know
37:59Trust him
38:00And you know
38:00Want to be around him
38:01I put fucking
38:03Laurie through hell
38:04Now I understand
38:05Like her perspective
38:06You know what I mean
38:07And it was all me
38:08If I could have
38:09My shit together
38:10Then maybe me and her
38:12Would still be together
38:12You know
38:13All I can say is
38:16I stayed in too long
38:18And there's always help
38:22To guide you to where you need to be
38:27My mom took her a while
38:30But she made a decision
38:33And she decided that this is not how she
38:37Wants to live her life anymore
38:39She's got three kids
38:40Well it was all my fault
38:43When I know it
38:44Dude she was like an angel
38:46I was like the devil reincarnated for a little while
38:49Maybe for a long one
38:52In 2001 ECW closes its doors
39:02And two years later
39:03Its assets are sold to Vince McMahon's WWE
39:07Giving the Sandman one last shot in the spotlight
39:10As the brand is relaunched
39:12What's that smell
39:14Sandman's character
39:15Was kind of watered down
39:17You know
39:18No cigarette smoking
39:19No beer
39:20Drinking on the job
39:21What the hell is this
39:23Society had changed
39:25And so he wasn't used as well
39:28As he could have been
39:29There's zombies
39:30That's not the ECW that I know
39:31That's not the ECW that the fans know
39:33A lot of the original ECW fans
39:36Want to forget about that time
39:38Might not be ECW for long
39:41Sandman's time in the WWE
39:43Is brief and unremarkable
39:44And though his wrestling career
39:47Is largely over
39:48His troubles with addiction continue
39:50I got a phone call
39:52Dad just got arrested
39:53He's going to jail
39:55Like I was at work
39:56I'm like for what?
39:59So me and my brother
40:00Packed our shit
40:01Drove up to New York
40:02How am I gonna find
40:04A freaking lawyer
40:05I don't even know what he did
40:06Like I'm in Yonkers New York
40:09I'd watched him wrestle
40:10For how many years
40:11Walked into this courtroom
40:12Looking like he just got
40:13Put through a washing machine
40:14He like physically looked hurt
40:16And I was just like
40:17What happened?
40:1830 Long Island ICDs
40:20That's what happened
40:20All right
40:22Everybody here is thinking
40:24You know what?
40:25This guy's drunk
40:26You're right
40:28Got in the fight
40:30With the owner or something
40:31He threw a bottle at me
40:32Hit me in the head
40:33I chased him into the kitchen
40:35Broke a bunch of shit
40:37In the kitchen
40:37Then the SWAT team came in
40:39Took me away
40:40Basically had to go through
40:42The court system
40:43They finally set his bail
40:45So I remember calling this back
40:46And I'm like listen
40:47I need you to authorize
40:48A $10,000
40:49From ATMs
40:51And just like
40:52Well there's only gonna be
40:53Like a $2,000 limit
40:54For each ATM
40:55And that's just the ATM itself
40:57Like if you're only allowed
40:58To take so much
40:59So here I am bouncing around
41:01Until I got to 10 grand
41:02So I would be on the phone
41:03With them at an ATM
41:04Cause you know
41:06You see these kids
41:07Getting money out of an ATM
41:08They're gonna love ya
41:09Finally we're able to
41:11Give them bail
41:11About like 3, 4
41:13Or something in the morning
41:13I remember walking
41:15Into this like huge
41:16Prison
41:17And like giving them
41:19This money
41:20And like out comes my dad
41:22And I was like
41:23Get the fuck in the fucking car
41:25We're fucking going home
41:26I can't fucking believe
41:27And like of course
41:29Of course
41:30Like this is my life
41:33No kid should have to do that
41:35It was your life
41:36You lived it
41:38But you just
41:39You don't know how horrible
41:40It is until later
41:41Or how horrible
41:44You might have made it
41:45For other people
41:46That you love
41:47Deep down he realizes
41:52He's done a lot of bad
41:54And that maybe this is
41:56His redemption
41:57I would like for him to
42:00Accept what was
42:02Accept what he has
42:04And move on from here
42:07But I think it's gonna be
42:09Kind of cleansing
42:11For all of us
42:12And hopefully himself
42:14To
42:15Just
42:17Let it go
42:19I don't know
42:20I'm an idiot
42:20I
42:21Dude
42:21I've been so self-sabotaging
42:25In my life
42:25It's like
42:26There's been a lot of
42:27Just personal destruction
42:29And now
42:31It hits me a little bit different
42:32Because I'm older
42:33And you think about
42:35The stupid shit
42:36That you've done
42:37That kind of changes everything
42:38You know what I mean
42:39So there's a different perspective
42:40In my head now
42:42I want him to realize
42:43No matter how bad
42:44Things were
42:45At times
42:46Including family life
42:48That where he came from
42:49And what he did
42:50Was a lot of hard work
42:52And you know
42:53Accomplishment
42:54Was it perfect
42:55By any stretch
42:56Of your imagination
42:56No
42:57He's made a lot of mistakes
42:59And nobody wanted to tell you
43:00But he's self-made
43:02And it's okay
43:03It's okay to say that
43:04He lived his life's dream
43:06There always has to be an end
43:08For everyone
43:08There always has to be an end
43:10To what you can do
43:11And you've done it
43:12A lot of people can't say
43:13That they've done that
43:14He can still be the Sandman
43:16He still is the Sandman
43:18There never will be
43:18Another Sandman
43:19I really just wish
43:20That he would understand
43:21That what happened
43:23Happened
43:23And he can move forward
43:26Sandman is an icon
43:30Polster boy for hardcore
43:32People love Sandman
43:35I am the hardcore icon
43:38I mean who else
43:39Is going to drink
43:40Beer
43:40Smoke cigarettes
43:41Swing a cane
43:42Wear sweatpants
43:43To the ring
43:44T-shirt
43:45And get over
43:46What about Sandman
43:48What's his legacy
43:49First person
43:51To do a lot of shit
43:52You know
43:53The first person
43:53To bleed
43:54Before he got in the ring
43:55The first person
43:56To come out of the crowd
43:57You know what I mean
43:58Smoke a cigarette
43:59I am
44:00The king
44:01Of extreme
44:02Smoking
44:05Drinking
44:05Yeah
44:06Cool
44:07Wonder why
44:10I'm fucking
44:10Fucked up with that
44:11I wonder why I'm fucking fucked up with that
44:11You know what what's next
44:15You know what I mean
44:17I know what I mean
44:18You know what I mean
44:19Because I think
44:19You know what I mean
44:20To do a lot of stuff
44:20You know what I mean
44:21And to do something
44:21You know what I mean
44:22You know what I mean
44:24What's happening is
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