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00:30Vince McMahon and the World Wrestling Federation
00:32have been indicted on charges of providing
00:34steroids to WWF entertainers.
00:36Everybody was on steroids. That's what
00:38they were marketing. We did whatever it took
00:40to give what the people wanted to see.
00:41We're going to be in a better position and make more
00:44money. And Vince McMahon was aware of it.
00:46Everybody was. The boys need
00:47their candy. Did he ever say,
00:50well, I gotta put an end to this?
00:51No! The law changed.
00:53Prior to that time, using or possessing
00:56anabolic steroids was as
00:58legal as taking an aspirin.
00:59Authorities sought a high-profile
01:01case to make clear they would prosecute
01:04steroid users
01:05and pushers. They were a
01:07flashing red light to prosecutors wanting to make
01:09an example out of things. They could have taken the whole
01:11company down. If convicted, McMahon faces
01:13eight years in prison and half a million
01:15dollars in fines.
01:17With two trials looming, those
01:19involved found themselves tangled
01:21in a world of surveillance and
01:23paranoia. You don't know when you
01:25get out of your car. There's someone going to come
01:27and then who knows what.
01:29WWF head
01:30Vince McMahon
01:31faced down a parade of superstar
01:33witnesses who held his fate
01:35in their hands.
01:36If it was an overt agreement,
01:38I can get you steroids,
01:40that's Vince McMahon being a drunk dealer to his top star.
01:42I wanted to expose it
01:43for all it was worth.
01:45The federal government came to take down the pro wrestling
01:48business. Little did they know
01:49they had a deal with Jerry McDivitt,
01:52the Vince McMahon, who promptly
01:53kicked their ass.
01:55You have no idea what I'm going to do to you.
01:57I mean, I am going to crush you
01:58like a bug.
02:15That's my office here.
02:18This was the headline the day he was
02:19indicted up in New York.
02:21You can see Vince there.
02:22That's me doing the cross-examination
02:24of the jury.
02:26I'm Jerry McDivitt.
02:27I'm a lawyer and I've represented
02:28the WWE for
02:29approximately 30 years.
02:32Jerry McDivitt, you are the attorney
02:33for the WWE.
02:34A very, very famous face
02:36lately, I must say.
02:37Ranging from the Chris Benoit
02:39situation.
02:41We're not going to speculate
02:42on it here on television,
02:44the soundbite atmosphere of television.
02:45To the unfortunate case
02:47of Owen's death.
02:48Who died last night
02:49in a tragic accident.
02:51Those 30 years
02:52of what you go through
02:53in all of those episodes
02:55together
02:55to try to get to the other side
02:57and keep going,
02:58that's what forms
02:59those kind of bonds.
03:00That's a picture of Vince
03:01of my wedding.
03:03Jerry is one of the most
03:05intelligent men I've ever met.
03:08His intellect is scary.
03:10If I found myself
03:11into heinous situations,
03:14if I hook a crook,
03:15I needed the best lawyer
03:16that money can buy,
03:18I would reach out
03:20to Jerry McDivitt
03:21to save my ass.
03:23He's an intimidating figure.
03:24He's tall.
03:25He's thrash and fearless
03:27in the way that
03:28I saw him in trial
03:29and a valuable figure
03:31to Vince McMahon
03:31over the years.
03:33My name's Wade Keller.
03:34I'm the editor
03:34of the Pro Wrestling Torch newsletter
03:36and I was on site
03:37for the entire
03:38Vince McMahon steroid trial.
03:40Vincent K. McMahon
03:41is obviously
03:42the most well-known promoter
03:43for the past 35 years.
03:44It is my distinct privilege
03:47to present to you
03:49Hulk Hogan!
03:53As far as like
03:54Vince McMahon's success
03:55and everything like that,
03:56you take Hulk Hogan
03:56out of the picture,
03:57Vince McMahon would not be
03:58anywhere near as successful.
04:00My name is Dave Meltzer
04:01and I'm the editor
04:02of the Wrestling Observer
04:03newsletter
04:04and I've been writing
04:04about wrestling
04:05for a lot of years.
04:0649 years.
04:0750 years.
04:0850 years.
04:09Hogan, you know,
04:10he was one of the biggest stars
04:11in the history of wrestling
04:12and wrestling exploded
04:13on his back in the late 80s.
04:15He was the all-American hero.
04:16You gotta say your prayers
04:17and you gotta eat your vitamins.
04:18At that time,
04:19what the fans were responding to
04:20were cool-looking guys
04:22with these great physiques.
04:24They were just getting bigger
04:26and bigger and bigger
04:27and it was becoming
04:28more of a vehicle
04:29to sell merchandise
04:30than anything else.
04:32My name is John Arezzi.
04:33I'm a wrestling historian
04:34going back 30 years
04:36to my original radio show
04:37called Pro Wrestling Spotlight.
04:39Pro Wrestling became
04:41more cartoonish
04:42with these big monsters
04:44that were being given names
04:46like the Ultimate Warrior,
04:48the Warlord.
04:49He's the biggest two-man.
04:50Look at the size of these guys.
04:52We could have had a football team
04:53and nothing would even touch us.
04:56My name's Terry Schepensky.
04:58I wrestled in the WWF
04:59as the Warlord.
05:01I was also one half
05:02of the tag team powers of pain.
05:04John, they're huge.
05:05There are estimates
05:08that 90% of the wrestlers
05:11in that time period
05:12were all on steroids.
05:15In the late 1980s,
05:16steroid use was legal
05:18if the drugs were prescribed
05:19by a personal physician
05:21for the treatment
05:22of an injury or disease.
05:24And WWF wrestlers
05:26had unlimited access
05:27thanks to a willing accomplice.
05:30Do you know who
05:30Dr. George Zaharian is?
05:32Oh, yeah.
05:33Dr. George Zaharian
05:34was the ringside physician
05:36for the Pennsylvania
05:38State Athletic Commission.
05:40And he was assigned
05:41to ringside
05:42at all of the wrestling matches
05:43in Allentown, Pennsylvania
05:45for their TV tapings.
05:47The doctor is right there
05:48at his side.
05:49George Zaharian was
05:50a fan of the wrestlers.
05:53And they put him on the show.
05:54We had some darn good wrestlers
05:56coming out here
05:57really getting abused.
05:59As the state's representative,
06:00Dr. Zaharian
06:01is responsible
06:02for examining each wrestler
06:04to ensure they are
06:05healthy enough to perform.
06:06As he was doing
06:07the blood pressure
06:07and everything else,
06:08after he was done,
06:08he always had this
06:09big doctor bag.
06:10And he would open it up
06:12afterwards,
06:12and it'd be filled
06:13with steroids.
06:16And he would say,
06:17is there anything
06:18you would like?
06:19And if it isn't there,
06:20I can get it for you.
06:21And I can send it to you.
06:23He set up shop,
06:25every taping,
06:25and the guys lined up
06:26to purchase their candy.
06:28They're candy.
06:30Valiant,
06:30Tylenol 3,
06:32Percocet,
06:32Percodan,
06:33Somas,
06:35pain pills,
06:36steroids.
06:38My name is Brian Blair.
06:40I'm known as B. Brian Blair.
06:41Half of the killer Bs.
06:42And we said,
06:43Hulkster,
06:43you know,
06:44we need a little pump on.
06:45He said,
06:45yeah, man,
06:45you could use a little bit
06:46of a little bit more muscle
06:47in those wings there.
06:48And he said,
06:49People do not understand
06:50the pressure that you're under.
06:53Look the best you can
06:54to keep your spot
06:55in the business.
06:55It was high pressure.
06:57For over a decade,
06:59steroids were an open secret
07:00in wrestling.
07:01In the late 80s,
07:02despite athletes
07:03being exposed as cheaters,
07:05stripped of his gold medal
07:06for testing positive
07:07to using anabolic steroids.
07:09Steroid abuse
07:10was becoming
07:10a political lightning rod.
07:14There was a lot of hysteria
07:16about steroids
07:17back in that era.
07:19It always sort of portrayed it
07:20that the athletes
07:22who were using
07:22that were somehow
07:23misusing a drug
07:24that was made
07:26for some other purpose.
07:28Steroids is,
07:29as far as I can tell,
07:30the only drug
07:31that was ever made
07:32in this country's history
07:33for which
07:34the drug manufacturers
07:36were not required
07:37to give dosage,
07:39duration,
07:40and adverse effects
07:41for the purpose
07:42it was made,
07:43which was
07:44athletic enhancement.
07:46There's a lot of good,
07:47truthful reasons
07:48to tell people
07:49what damages
07:50can be done
07:51by taking these drugs
07:52that you don't need
07:53to lie to them about.
07:54Just tell them the truth.
07:55But the government
07:56never did that.
07:57The federal congress
07:58was reacting
07:58to some of this hysteria
08:00by the Anabolic Control Act
08:02in 1990,
08:03which made it,
08:04for the first time,
08:04a controlled substance.
08:05This means that
08:06trafficking in steroids
08:07will be treated
08:08in much the same manner
08:09as trafficking in cocaine
08:11or methamphetamines.
08:13With a new law
08:14in place
08:14to curtail steroid dealing,
08:16particularly to teen athletes,
08:18the FBI targets
08:20weightlifting coach
08:21Bill Dunn,
08:22who quickly agrees
08:23to hand over
08:24his supplier,
08:25Dr. Zahorian.
08:26Dunn had been,
08:27I gather,
08:28caught with a large
08:29amount of steroids,
08:31flipped,
08:31became a government witness,
08:33agreed to wear a wire.
08:34I think they made
08:35some controlled purchases
08:36with him
08:37where they sent him in
08:38and had him mic'd up
08:39and recorded it.
08:41I want to get
08:41a large order,
08:43but I need some...
08:45Can you tell me
08:46what you need
08:46because, you know,
08:47it's like I told you,
08:48cash and carry.
08:49You know,
08:49if I have it,
08:50you got it,
08:50you pay.
08:51He didn't sound
08:52like a doctor.
08:53He was talking about
08:54that Dunn was going
08:55to give steroids to kids.
08:56You're selling steroids
08:57to somebody
08:58with knowledge
08:59that they're going
09:00to deliver them to kids.
09:01You're not functioning
09:02as a doctor anymore.
09:04As authorities
09:04build their case
09:05against Dr. Zahorian,
09:07a federal official
09:08mentions the investigation
09:10to a colleague
09:11who has ties
09:12to the WWF.
09:13The news reaches
09:14the desk
09:15of Vince McMahon's
09:16wife, Linda,
09:17who commands
09:17the company
09:18distance itself
09:19from Dr. Zahorian.
09:21Yeah, the internal
09:21memos were,
09:22we don't want
09:22this guy
09:22at our shows anymore
09:23and we need
09:25to be really cautious
09:25because the landscape
09:26has changed right now.
09:28They used that tape
09:29of Zahorian
09:30to then get a search warrant.
09:32On the wall
09:33of his office,
09:34they saw that famous
09:35picture of him
09:37standing there
09:37with Hulk on one side
09:39and Vince on the other side
09:41and thought,
09:41oh, what do we have here?
09:43As authorities
09:44probe Dr. Zahorian's
09:46drug-dealing enterprise,
09:48a trail of evidence
09:49leads them straight
09:50to the doorsteps
09:51of WWF wrestlers.
09:53I got a knock
09:54on my front door.
09:56He introduced himself
09:57to me and says
09:58he's an FBI agent
09:59and started explaining
10:01to me
10:02that I had gotten
10:03three FedEx packages
10:04from Dr. Zahorian
10:06and they knew
10:09everything that was
10:09in the package.
10:10They would go
10:11right into
10:12the mail center.
10:15They'd ask for
10:16any packages
10:16sent out of
10:18Dr. Zahorian's office.
10:20Then they would
10:20open,
10:21they would film
10:22so they had
10:23all the evidence
10:24was put back in
10:25as if it were
10:26not touched.
10:29You would open it
10:29and never in your
10:30wildest dreams
10:31think that the FBI
10:32was looking at it
10:33at the FedEx mail center
10:34and had pictures
10:35of everything
10:36that came to your doorstep.
10:38He said,
10:39you can come testify
10:40and in exchange
10:42we won't prosecute you.
10:45I said,
10:46fair enough.
10:47I just sat down
10:48on my table
10:49and I said,
10:50wow,
10:51I can't believe
10:53this is actually happening.
10:54The wrestler said
10:55that when they
10:56couldn't see
10:57Dr. Zahorian
10:57personally,
10:59he sent them steroids
11:00by Federal Express.
11:02Records show
11:02several Federal Express
11:04shipments
11:04from Dr. Zahorian
11:06to Terry Bolle,
11:07better known
11:08to his fans
11:09as Hulk Hogan.
11:11Five wrestlers
11:12are set to testify
11:13against Dr. Zahorian,
11:15including Hulk Hogan,
11:17whose appearance
11:18could spell disaster
11:19for him,
11:20Vince McMahon,
11:21and the entire
11:22wrestling world.
11:30Seeking to avoid
11:31the publicity
11:32linking him
11:33to steroid use,
11:34lawyer Jerry McDivitt
11:36is enlisted
11:36to get Hogan
11:37excused from testifying.
11:39Hulk was riding high.
11:41He had been on the cover
11:42of Sports Illustrated.
11:43He was as big
11:44in that time period
11:45as Michael Jordan
11:46was in basketball.
11:48They wanted to have
11:49a big high-profile trial
11:50at that time
11:51to sort of get it
11:52out there
11:53that the law
11:53is different now
11:54with respect to steroids.
11:56And I think that
11:56had a lot to do
11:57with why they
11:58brought WWE people in.
12:00It was pretty obvious
12:01that they were
12:02going to get a conviction
12:03on the 10 counts
12:04that involved Bill Dunn.
12:05And at the same token,
12:07none of the wrestlers
12:07had done anything wrong.
12:08The fact that Piper
12:09was there and not Hogan
12:11at the Zaharian trial
12:12is one of these mysteries.
12:13It's like,
12:14why were some guys
12:15forced to go?
12:16Why were some guys
12:18given a pass?
12:19He was a little bit unique
12:20from the other people
12:21because Terry had
12:22what I regarded to be
12:24a doctor-patient relationship
12:26with Dr. Zaharian.
12:27He had consulted
12:28with Dr. Zaharian
12:29about various medical issues
12:31involving him and his wife
12:33and having children.
12:35So I decided
12:36that I would present
12:37an argument to the judge
12:38that the government
12:39had no compelling reason
12:40to do this
12:41because it would compromise
12:42his medical privacy rights
12:44to have to get on
12:44a witness stand
12:45and explain
12:45why he did what he did
12:47and it would just serve
12:48to victimize somebody
12:49who had not committed
12:50any crime.
12:51He was dismissed
12:52from testifying
12:53because it might be
12:54injurious to his career.
12:56Well, it should be
12:57injurious to his career
12:59if he was on drugs,
13:00if his whole persona
13:01was say your prayers
13:02and take your vitamins, kids.
13:04My name is Phil Mushnick.
13:06I'm a sports columnist
13:07with the New York Post
13:08and in the 1980s
13:10I began to write
13:10about the drug scandals
13:12within the
13:13World Wrestling Federation.
13:14How do you get
13:15dismissed from testifying
13:16because it might hurt you
13:18to tell the truth?
13:20A person in the media
13:20called me up and said
13:21Ronald Reagan
13:22had to testify
13:23in Oliver North's case
13:24despite his not wanting
13:25to testify.
13:26How did Hulk Hogan
13:27get out of testifying?
13:28And I remember
13:29my answer was
13:29well, maybe Reagan
13:31had the wrong lawyer.
13:32After just three hours
13:35of deliberation,
13:36the jury finds
13:37Dr. Zahorian
13:38guilty of selling
13:40steroids to wrestlers
13:41who were not
13:42his legitimate patients.
13:44But despite
13:45the disgraced doctor
13:46taking the fall,
13:48Vince McMahon
13:48and the WWF
13:49do not emerge unscathed.
13:52On the last day,
13:53the lawyer for Zahorian
13:55goes,
13:57Vince McMahon
13:57and Hulk Hogan
13:58bought their steroids
13:59from Zahorian.
13:59Now, that's when
14:00they both had to go
14:01to the media
14:01and say something.
14:03I promise
14:03that the World
14:04Wrestling Federation
14:05will be the standard
14:07bearer for drug-free
14:08sports and entertainment.
14:10Today, Vince McMahon,
14:12head of the World
14:12Wrestling Federation,
14:13held a press conference
14:14announcing that
14:15the Federation
14:15will be enacting
14:16a drug-testing policy
14:18that will include
14:19testing for steroids.
14:20At the press conference
14:21at the Plaza Hotel
14:22in 1991
14:22when Vince announced
14:23his steroid policy,
14:25by chance
14:26or by design,
14:27the same night,
14:29Hulk Hogan
14:29is appearing
14:30on Arsenio Hall.
14:31Did you ever
14:32discuss with Terry
14:33his appearance
14:34on Arsenio?
14:35Yes, but I can't
14:36tell you what
14:37the discussion was
14:38because I was privileged.
14:40Your name came up
14:42recently when a doctor
14:44got himself into trouble.
14:45This is going to be
14:46a tough thing
14:47because if he goes out
14:47on TV and tells the truth,
14:49it's like his image
14:50is going to be shot.
14:51So basically,
14:52what I'd like to do
14:53is, with all due respect,
14:54inform you
14:55and everybody else
14:56that's misinformed
14:57by the newspapers.
14:59So he weaseled
15:00his way down
15:01to something
15:01that sounded
15:02less offensive
15:02but still,
15:03to his mind,
15:04felt like an admission
15:05of something.
15:06On three different occasions,
15:07I had the same type
15:08of muscle injuries.
15:09That is the extent
15:10of Hulk Hogan's
15:11steroid use.
15:12And it's like,
15:12I took steroids
15:13three times
15:14back in 1983.
15:16I tore my bicep.
15:16I used it for rehab.
15:18And then it was just like,
15:19oh my God.
15:20It was just a complete,
15:21utter lie.
15:21I'm not a steroid abuser
15:23and I do not use steroids.
15:26Vince did not want
15:27Hogan to say
15:27what he said.
15:28Certainly Vince
15:28told me that.
15:29You know,
15:29he said,
15:30I told Hogan
15:30to tell the truth
15:31and he didn't tell
15:32the complete truth.
15:33If you train,
15:33say your prayers,
15:34eat your vitamins
15:35and believe in yourself,
15:36just like I have done,
15:37brother,
15:37you can have everything
15:38you want out of life
15:39and I'm not ashamed
15:40of anything I've done.
15:41What he said
15:41did not pass
15:42the public sniff test
15:43and everybody thought,
15:45okay, that guy's a liar.
15:46He's covering something up.
15:47Okay, we'll take a commercial
15:47and come right back.
15:49After Hogan's appearance
15:51on Arsenio Hall,
15:52McMahon was called
15:53to answer
15:54for a range
15:54of scandalous allegations
15:56on the Phil Donahue show.
15:58This bright audience
16:00knows damn well
16:01that steroids were used.
16:02I think Vince McMahon
16:03didn't like me.
16:05Something that happened
16:06on the Phil Donahue show
16:07where I caught him
16:09in a lie, basically.
16:10I mean,
16:10we're on the panel
16:11and I said,
16:13Vince,
16:13didn't you say
16:15in published reports
16:15that you were devastated
16:17when you found out
16:17that Hulk Hogan lied
16:18on Arsenio Hall?
16:20I wasn't devastated.
16:21And he looked at me
16:22because I never said
16:22I was devastated
16:23and Dave Meltzer said,
16:25oh, yes, you did.
16:25You told me.
16:26That was the word
16:27you used to mean.
16:27It wasn't.
16:27Well, all right.
16:32I'm just sitting here
16:32going like,
16:33you told me this.
16:35I'm not going to sit here
16:35and say nothing
16:36when that's the exact word
16:37you used.
16:38And then he gave me
16:39and he gave me a look.
16:39Like, if looks could kill,
16:41I wouldn't be around anymore.
16:45The day of the Donahue show,
16:47something really,
16:48really scary happened.
16:51I had an apartment
16:52on Long Island.
16:53There was a knock
16:54on the door.
16:55I wasn't there.
16:56My mom,
16:57who used to live with me,
16:59she opened the door up
17:00and there were two gentlemen
17:01standing there
17:02and they asked
17:02if John Arezzi lived there.
17:04And my mom said,
17:05yeah, my son lives here.
17:07Please tell your son
17:08he lives in a dangerous neighborhood.
17:10And I was like,
17:11what was that all about?
17:13You know?
17:14That's sort of part
17:15of the problem
17:15with these guys.
17:16They have vivid imaginations.
17:17They say these things
17:18and nobody would care enough
17:20about a John Arezzi
17:21to send black-suited guys
17:23to the house.
17:24That's the kind of fables
17:25that they tell
17:26that sort of give themselves
17:27an importance
17:27that they don't have.
17:30And what happened was
17:32Phil Mushnick started
17:33writing these hit pieces.
17:35And it just seems
17:36as though they're all
17:37ganging up on us
17:38all at one time.
17:39And said he was worse
17:41than Hannibal Lecter.
17:42You're going to call him
17:42something like that
17:43because people did something
17:46that was legal to do
17:47when they did it.
17:48McDivitt's tactics
17:49going after journalists
17:50are, you know,
17:51right out of central casting
17:52from old courtroom dramas.
17:54He perceived it was wrong
17:56that Hulk Hogan
17:56had been excused
17:58from testifying
17:59and called out for,
18:01in one of his writings,
18:02another federal investigation
18:04of the WWE.
18:05And the Eastern District
18:07prosecutors read that
18:08and took up his call
18:10for another investigation.
18:11He's flattering me.
18:13I had no idea
18:14I had this kind of muscle.
18:16And I was actually up
18:18at the WWE's headquarters.
18:20We got the first
18:20of what became
18:21seven or eight
18:22grand jury subpoenas
18:24issued from the
18:25Eastern District of New York
18:26that commenced
18:28the investigation.
18:29I think it was
18:30on April 2nd of 1992.
18:33I remember talking
18:35about it with Vince
18:35and he asked me
18:36to represent them in it.
18:38And you just kind of know
18:40in this business
18:41certain things,
18:42you know,
18:42the minute you get
18:43the subpoena
18:44what the result's
18:46going to be.
18:47This is not going to be
18:48an investigation
18:49where they're going
18:50to look into something
18:51and then say,
18:52okay, nothing there.
18:53This is a witch hunt.
18:55The grand jury investigation
19:03would allow prosecutors
19:04to assemble evidence
19:06and gather witnesses
19:07for an eventual indictment.
19:09Under a cloud of suspicion,
19:11McMahon and his legal team
19:13brace for the inevitable.
19:14They're going to find
19:15something to throw
19:16at the wall
19:16and see if they can
19:17get you to a plea bargain
19:18or something or whatever.
19:19So hunker down.
19:20For the next 18 months,
19:22it was sort of the feeling
19:23of being stalked.
19:24Because you know
19:25somebody is following
19:27you around,
19:28looking at everything
19:28you do,
19:29and that they are eventually
19:30going to try to harm you.
19:31And there's no limit
19:33to how long the government
19:34can go on to do that to you.
19:36And so when I started
19:37teaching myself
19:38everything I could learn
19:40about steroids,
19:41all you can do
19:41is prepare for what you know
19:43is going to come.
19:45With a grand jury investigation
19:47in full swing,
19:48the WWF's woes
19:49become tabloid fodder.
19:52I was told by McMahon
19:54that I was an FBI informant.
19:56Well, I think, you know,
19:57they leak various things
19:59to the media
20:00so that the media
20:01writes a story
20:01that what I call
20:03further demonizes
20:04the target,
20:05builds public support
20:06for the prosecution
20:07in exchange
20:08that they have
20:09inside sources
20:10of the investigation
20:11and things of that nature.
20:13They all, of course,
20:14deny it
20:15that any of that stuff
20:16goes on,
20:16but you know, it does.
20:17I was an FBI informant.
20:20What I wrote,
20:21they'd read
20:21and then they acted on it.
20:23So I guess I informed them
20:25as well as every other reader
20:27of that column.
20:30You've got to understand,
20:31leading up to that trial,
20:33McMahon's not just
20:34taking me sitting down.
20:36He's got me trailed.
20:38He's got a group
20:39called Fairfax Partners,
20:41former FBI agents,
20:43who are looking for anything
20:44they can get on me.
20:45I actually ran into
20:47one of these guys.
20:48I found out who he was.
20:50He was investigating me.
20:51And we're laughing
20:52and we're drinking.
20:53And we're getting along great.
20:55He says to me,
20:56listen,
20:57I know you're a good guy,
20:59but this is my job.
21:00I said,
21:00that's a lousy job.
21:02And I told him,
21:03I said,
21:04I smoked a lot of pot
21:05in college.
21:06Go with it.
21:07Go with it.
21:08Take me down.
21:09And he was laughing.
21:10He's laughing.
21:11As prosecutors,
21:13subpoena witnesses,
21:14media reports indicate
21:15that McMahon's limo driver,
21:17James Stewart,
21:18is prepared to testify
21:20that McMahon ordered him
21:21to deliver a shipment
21:23of steroids
21:23to Hulk Hogan.
21:25Why do you think
21:26they didn't call him
21:26as a witness
21:27in Vince's trial?
21:29Probably because
21:30he had brought a lawsuit
21:31against the WWE
21:33for some,
21:34I can't even remember
21:35what reason he conjured up.
21:37And when I took
21:39his deposition,
21:40I caught him
21:41dead to rights
21:42perjuring himself
21:43and I don't think
21:44he'd want to put
21:44on a witness stand
21:45somebody who had admitted
21:46to committing perjury
21:47and other proceedings.
21:49In the midst
21:49of the federal investigation,
21:51the WWF initiates
21:53a dramatic overhaul
21:54of the types of physiques
21:55it features on television.
21:57Because of the steroid scandal,
21:58Vince McMahon
21:59couldn't keep Hogan around.
22:01It's like a slap
22:02in the hawkster's face, baby!
22:03Hogan was the star
22:04of the show.
22:06It had been for years
22:06and years and years.
22:07But it was coming time
22:09that Vince wanted
22:10to get younger.
22:11Vince McMahon
22:11is probably thinking,
22:12do I want
22:13a diminished,
22:14thinner Hulk Hogan
22:15as my centerpiece,
22:16advertising to my audience
22:17how important steroids
22:18were to his look.
22:19So Vince McMahon
22:20had to shift his focus
22:21to smaller wrestlers
22:22who were more athletic.
22:23Despite the WWF
22:25veering away
22:25from excessively
22:26muscular body types
22:28and Hulk Hogan
22:29departing the company,
22:30in November of 1993,
22:33the hammer finally drops.
22:35We were in New York,
22:36walked in the restaurant,
22:37all the news was on.
22:39McMahon indicted
22:40and whatnot.
22:40The indictment says
22:41that McMahon
22:42and a doctor
22:43conspired to distribute
22:45steroids to the wrestlers
22:46to enhance their size
22:47and muscle development.
22:49Everybody in the restaurant
22:50was saying things like,
22:52go get him, Vinny!
22:53You know,
22:53they were cheering for him.
22:56We were kind of celebrating
22:57that he got indicted
22:58because now we get a chance
23:00to put an end
23:00to this thing.
23:01You know,
23:02after 18 months
23:02of getting blood to death
23:03in the media
23:04and all the accusations,
23:06please,
23:06just give me a chance
23:07to go in a courtroom
23:08and kick their butt
23:09because that's the only way
23:10this is going to end.
23:11If convicted,
23:12McMahon faces
23:12eight years in prison
23:13and half a million dollars
23:15in fines.
23:16That whole trial
23:17was like a circus.
23:18There were wrestling fans there.
23:20There were newsletter writers there.
23:22Vince's family
23:23that would show up
23:24every day
23:24in the courtroom.
23:25Stephanie and Shane,
23:27they were not confident.
23:28They were scared
23:28and they loved their dad
23:30and they wanted to protect
23:31the family empire
23:32at that point also.
23:33And then Vince shows up
23:35wearing this neck brace
23:36and, you know,
23:36everyone is kind of
23:37laughing at it.
23:39People are like,
23:40you've got to be kidding me.
23:42You're actually playing
23:43on the jury for sympathy
23:44in a neck brace?
23:45Vince McMahon
23:46was the baby face
23:47to this audience,
23:48which was funny to me
23:49because it's like
23:49cheering for, like,
23:50the guy on trial.
23:52Here we go.
23:53It's a wrestling angle.
23:55I know there was
23:55a lot of speculation
23:56that that was for sympathy.
23:58When it wasn't,
23:58it was very real.
23:59It actually had neck surgery.
24:00He knew he was going
24:02to have to be
24:02at that trial
24:03and scheduled it
24:04so that he would
24:05have that done then
24:06so he wouldn't have
24:07to be on TV
24:08with a neck brace on.
24:09So that's why
24:09it was set for that time.
24:11The prosecution team,
24:13led by Sean O'Shea,
24:15have a lineup
24:16of WWF superstar witnesses
24:18set to testify,
24:20including the Ultimate Warrior
24:21and Hulk Hogan.
24:23Jerry McDivitt's
24:24prior representation
24:25of Hogan
24:26at the Zahorian trial
24:28is regarded as
24:29a conflict of interest,
24:31forcing McMahon's team
24:33to bring in reinforcements.
24:35Laura had been
24:36a former prosecutor,
24:37very well regarded,
24:38so I said,
24:39this is what we'll do.
24:40I will represent WWE.
24:43Laura will represent
24:43Vince personally
24:44and will rely on
24:46Laura's cross-examination
24:47of Hogan.
24:48They couldn't then
24:49use my prior representation
24:50to knock me out of the case.
24:52And that also gave us
24:54the advantage
24:54of having double openings,
24:56double closings,
24:58two people doing
24:59cross-examinations
25:00and whatnot.
25:02They sent me a subpoena
25:04and said,
25:04we'd like you to
25:05be at the trial
25:05on this day.
25:06The best thing I did
25:07was just tell the truth.
25:09Vince never came to me
25:10face to face
25:11and said,
25:11Terry,
25:11if you don't take steroids,
25:13you don't have a job.
25:15Apparently you said
25:15on the stand
25:16you never bought
25:16from Zahorian
25:17because his prices
25:18were too high.
25:19It's true.
25:20His prices were like
25:21four times
25:22what I could get it for.
25:23And it was like
25:23emblematic of their case.
25:24They had so many people
25:25who came in and said,
25:26yes, I use steroids.
25:27I used steroids
25:28before I ever came
25:29to the WWE
25:29and I didn't buy them
25:31from Dr. Zahorian
25:32and you're left there
25:33sitting and scratching
25:33your head thinking
25:34why are they even here?
25:35The whole thing to me
25:36was just a big witch hunt.
25:38They just wanted
25:39to go after Vince
25:40for something.
25:41Other wrestlers
25:41describe steroid regimens
25:43that they began
25:44long before coming
25:45to the WWF,
25:47but that changed
25:48under McMahon's direction
25:49when the law shifted
25:51in 1990
25:52until one
25:54finally delivers
25:55what looks like
25:56a knockout punch.
26:03I came out here
26:07for one reason.
26:11When Kevin Wacholtz,
26:12the wrestler Nails,
26:13gave testimony,
26:14his story was that
26:15Vince McMahon told him,
26:16we need you
26:17to get on steroids.
26:18And then we showed
26:19the jury a picture
26:19of how he performed,
26:20which was in his orange outfit
26:22that covered his body.
26:23So he wasn't a performer
26:24like an ultimate warrior
26:26or somebody
26:26whose body you actually saw.
26:29So why McMahon
26:29would want him
26:30to be on steroids
26:30in the midst of a controversy
26:31that can hurt his company
26:33and when an outfit
26:34won't reveal any muscles
26:35really seems questionable
26:37or lacking credibility.
26:39At the end,
26:39she was like,
26:40do you have any animosity
26:40towards Vince McMahon?
26:41And he goes, no.
26:43And she just goes,
26:44he doesn't know
26:44what the word animosity means.
26:46And then she goes,
26:46do you hate Vince McMahon?
26:47He goes, yes.
26:48I think the whole thing
26:49is weak.
26:50Do you believe
26:50that he's essentially innocent?
26:52I think he took
26:53professional wrestling
26:54to a level of success
26:55and he made a lot of enemies.
26:57After a string of disappointments
26:59for prosecutors,
27:00desperate to convince
27:01the jury McMahon
27:02conspired with Dr. Zahorian,
27:04they bring in Zahorian
27:05directly from his prison cell
27:07to testify against McMahon.
27:10And during his direct examination,
27:12Dr. Zahorian kept vaguely
27:13referring to some letter
27:15he had written,
27:15which we didn't have a copy of.
27:17And finally,
27:18the judge ordered them
27:19to turn over any letters
27:21that they had received
27:21from Dr. Zahorian.
27:22And it's all in the midst
27:23of the trial.
27:24And this document gets
27:25turned over
27:26while Zahorian's
27:27on the witness stand.
27:28And so I'm reading it
27:29and I was stunned.
27:31Dated May 19, 1993.
27:34Dear Mr. O'Shea,
27:36as you know,
27:37I recently testified
27:38before the federal grand jury.
27:40My testimony was required
27:41by you pursuant to subpoena,
27:43but I nonetheless consented
27:44and agreed to cooperate.
27:46As a result,
27:48I was transported
27:49by the federal marshals
27:50in handcuffs,
27:52waist chains,
27:53and leg chains
27:54and detained
27:55at various prisons
27:56for a period of 44 days
27:57under conditions
27:59more appropriate
28:00for violent
28:00maximum security inmates.
28:02They take him
28:04for 44 days
28:06on this tour
28:07of these various
28:08solitary confinement
28:10and whatnot.
28:10And he has no idea
28:11what's happening to me.
28:13What is this about?
28:14Nobody tells him anything.
28:17He arrives
28:17in the Eastern District
28:18of New York
28:19and he's taken
28:20into the grand jury
28:21without any preparation
28:22at all.
28:23And they ask him,
28:24well, we've been told
28:25about some conversation
28:26you supposedly had
28:28with Vince McMahon
28:29about steroids.
28:31Can you tell us
28:32about that?
28:34And his answer was,
28:35I don't know
28:36what you're talking about.
28:37And they take him
28:38out of the room.
28:40After he's taken
28:41out of the room,
28:41he's put in
28:42these other hell holes
28:44in New York,
28:45solitary confinement.
28:46And I remember
28:47reading that
28:48to the jury
28:49and thinking like,
28:50this is the kind
28:51of stuff that gets
28:52done in America
28:53to get somebody?
28:55After that,
28:56they bring him back
28:57in the grand jury room
28:58and before they do,
28:59they tell him,
29:00we have this tape
29:01recording of you
29:02with Bill Dunn,
29:03you were indicating
29:04that you were willing
29:05to sell steroids
29:07to kids,
29:08which you haven't
29:08been charged with yet.
29:09And so they ask
29:10the same question,
29:11did you have
29:12a conversation
29:12with Vince?
29:13And so then all of a sudden,
29:15yeah, I did have
29:16a conversation with Vince.
29:17While on the stand,
29:19Dr. Zahorian recounts
29:21a meeting with McMahon
29:22where he disclosed
29:23that he was selling
29:24drugs to his wrestlers,
29:26but McMahon
29:26never told him to stop.
29:28And that sole conversation
29:30then becomes
29:31the only basis
29:32for charging Vince
29:34was having some conspiracy
29:35of any kind
29:36with Dr. Zahorian.
29:38Nothing in that conversation,
29:40of course,
29:40has anything to do
29:40with defrauding the FDA
29:42or anything like it.
29:43When questioned
29:44by prosecutors,
29:45Dr. Zahorian
29:46denied his treatment
29:48was malicious
29:48or influenced
29:50his testimony.
29:53Pretrial interactions
29:54with witnesses
29:55were apparently
29:55not only limited
29:56to prosecutors.
29:58Vince McMahon's
29:59personal assistant,
30:00Emily Feinberg,
30:01had intimate knowledge
30:03of his own steroid use
30:04and records
30:05of financial transactions
30:07between McMahon
30:08and Zahorian
30:10that could shatter
30:11his defense.
30:12I remember watching
30:13Laura Bavetti
30:14cross-examine
30:15Emily Feinberg
30:16and it's like,
30:16she has ESP,
30:18she knows every answer
30:19and she's got her comeback
30:19on every answer.
30:20Like, immediately.
30:22And I never thought
30:23anything about it
30:23until that story
30:24in The Village Voice
30:25came up.
30:25Marty Bergman
30:26was the secret husband
30:28of Laura Bavetti.
30:30Her husband
30:30was talking to me
30:32as like another reporter
30:33discussing the trial
30:34before the trial.
30:35And he calls me
30:36and he's representing himself
30:38as representing
30:4060 Minutes.
30:43And I go,
30:43yeah.
30:44Tell me about McMahon.
30:45What do you know
30:47that you haven't written
30:48that we can get into?
30:51I said,
30:51I don't know
30:51what I know
30:52I've written.
30:53and if I knew
30:54something else
30:55I'd write it
30:55and I wouldn't tell you.
30:57I remember calling
30:58my wife's cousin
31:00who's an entertainment lawyer
31:01and I said,
31:02I heard from
31:03one of 60 Minutes'
31:05producers today
31:06and he said,
31:08what's the name?
31:09He says,
31:09well,
31:09he's not a producer,
31:11that's his brother.
31:12He said,
31:12he's not a producer?
31:14He said,
31:15no.
31:15I read that he told
31:17Emily Feinberg
31:18that he was going to
31:19get like book deals
31:20and things like this.
31:22He was pumping her
31:23for info
31:23and Laura's there
31:25with every rebuff
31:26right there.
31:26It's like she knew
31:27everything.
31:28It was unbelievable.
31:29I knew Marty.
31:30He was a good guy.
31:32I like Marty.
31:32He was Mr. New York
31:33as far as I was concerned.
31:35And if there had been
31:36anything that he had done
31:37that constituted
31:38witness tampering,
31:39they would have brought it out
31:40when she was on
31:41the witness stand
31:42and there was nothing
31:42like that.
31:43Vince McMahon himself
31:45addressed the allegations
31:46shortly after
31:48they appeared in print.
31:49I wish to state
31:50that my heart goes out
31:51to my attorney,
31:52Laura Bavetti,
31:53and her husband,
31:53Marty Bergman.
31:55These same yellow journalists
31:57who had to eat crow
31:57for telling lies
31:59are once again
32:00incestuously
32:01joining forces,
32:03trying to drum up support
32:04for their own
32:04personal agenda,
32:06trying to manufacture
32:07some reason
32:08to save face,
32:10attempting to perpetuate
32:11some theory
32:12of witness tampering.
32:13Gentlemen,
32:15is that the best
32:16you can do?
32:18The establishing
32:19a venue,
32:20a legal requirement
32:21that cases are brought
32:22in the area
32:23where the alleged crimes
32:24occurred,
32:25becomes a key point
32:26in the trial.
32:28Although Dr. Zahorian
32:29sold steroids
32:30in Pennsylvania,
32:32the charges against
32:33Vince and the WWF
32:34were brought
32:35by the Eastern District
32:37of New York.
32:38Prosecutors need
32:39to demonstrate
32:40that some steroid
32:41distribution happened
32:42in the Eastern District.
32:44The thing I can't understand
32:46is why the government
32:47indicted
32:48McMahon
32:49on Long Island
32:51when all the paper trails
32:54were right there
32:55in his backyard
32:56in Stamford, Connecticut.
32:57I thought that was folly.
33:00They principally
33:02tried to use her
33:03to establish venue
33:04by suggesting
33:06that she had
33:07taken some steroids
33:09and delivered them
33:10to Hulk Hogan
33:11through a driver.
33:13And so they
33:14got her up
33:15on the witness stand
33:16to say,
33:16well,
33:16I think they were delivered,
33:18you know,
33:18to Madison Square Garden
33:20or Nassau Coliseum
33:22and whatnot.
33:23So we had to
33:24dissect that testimony
33:26by showing,
33:27okay,
33:28here's the date
33:28you received the steroids.
33:30Here's the agent's reports
33:31for when the WWE
33:33performed at Nassau Coliseum.
33:35There's no match
33:36between the two.
33:37How in the world
33:37would you have delivered
33:38anything to Hulk Hogan
33:40at Nassau Coliseum
33:42when he wasn't even there
33:43in those dates?
33:43That was like
33:44one of the counts
33:45that Vince was being
33:45indicted on
33:46and that charge
33:47was thrown out.
33:48It's like,
33:49why was that charge
33:50there in the first place?
33:51The witness
33:52who could do
33:53the most damage
33:53would be Hulk Hogan
33:54who had recently signed
33:56with McMahon's rival
33:57WCW.
34:00Hogan is granted
34:00immunity for anything
34:02he would reveal
34:03on the stand
34:03about how he got
34:05his steroids
34:05from Dr. Zahorian
34:06while working
34:08for McMahon.
34:09There was no doubt
34:10that all of this
34:11steroid scandal stuff
34:13caused a rift
34:14between Hogan
34:15and McMahon
34:16and there were
34:18expectations
34:19that Hogan
34:20was going to go in there
34:21and kind of buried
34:22Vince.
34:30When Hogan came
34:30in the courtroom
34:31Hulk Hogan
34:35testifying
34:36could seal the deal
34:37for the prosecution
34:38and send Vince
34:38to prison for years.
34:40He is the person
34:41the prosecution said
34:42bought drugs
34:43from Vince McMahon.
34:44and what are you
34:44going to do
34:45when Hulkamania
34:46destroys you?
34:49It was very dramatic.
34:50I felt sorry
34:51that he was going
34:52to get drugged
34:52through it again.
34:53Hulk Hogan is finally here.
34:54What is he going to say?
34:56I know what was
34:56on the line there
34:57and the problem was
34:58the thing
34:59Hogan framed it
35:08to the shock
35:08of the prosecutors
35:09and to people
35:11gasping in the
35:12courtroom quietly.
35:13We were gym buddies.
35:14We were friends.
35:15Sometimes I had
35:16extra chariots
35:16I gave them to Vince.
35:17Sometimes Vince
35:17had extra chariots
35:18he gave them to me.
35:19That doesn't make
35:19him a drug dealer.
35:20I mean he was
35:21the big dog
35:21and when he walks
35:23in and says
35:23it doesn't have
35:25anything to do
35:25with the conspiracy
35:26there goes their case.
35:30He kind of just
35:30like exonerated
35:32Vince for any
35:32implication of
35:33his involvement
35:34at all
35:34which to this day
35:36is kind of
35:37something you
35:37wonder about.
35:43Having watched it
35:46I felt Hogan's
35:47testimony was
35:48very beneficial
35:49to Vince.
35:50Vince didn't
35:50see it that way.
35:51Vince was furious
35:52Hogan testified
35:52against him.
35:54Yeah I think
35:54they didn't want
35:55any part of each
35:56other towards
35:57the end.
35:57It was kind of
35:57like you go
35:58your way
35:59I go my way
36:00and nice
36:02knowing you pal.
36:03McMahon spokesman
36:04says Hulk Hogan
36:05body slammed
36:05the prosecution.
36:09Why didn't you
36:10have Vince
36:11testify?
36:12I mean
36:12what would he
36:13say?
36:14There was no
36:15evidence against
36:16Vince other than
36:16that silly
36:18conversation I told
36:19you to talk
36:19for Zalorian
36:20trotted out
36:20after he went
36:21through his
36:2144 days of
36:22traveling through
36:24solitary confinement
36:25and jails
36:25but there was
36:26nothing even
36:27about that
36:27conversation
36:28even if it
36:29occurred
36:30that was
36:31incriminating.
36:33Sean O'Shane's
36:34closing argument
36:35went from
36:36reserved
36:37to
36:38explosive
36:39and bombastic
36:40and it was
36:41a flurry
36:42of language
36:43that painted
36:44Vince McMahon
36:45in a villainous
36:46way.
36:47He goes
36:47you know
36:48who has no
36:48respect for
36:49wrestling?
36:50Vince McMahon
36:50it was like
36:52an amazing
36:52pro wrestling
36:53promo.
36:54Corporate drug
36:55dealers and
36:55all this just
36:56horribly inflammatory
36:58terms that most
36:59judges wouldn't let
37:00a prosecutor get
37:01away with doing
37:02because they don't
37:02have anything to
37:03do with the
37:04facts and they're
37:04just trying to
37:05prejudice the jury.
37:06And he starts
37:10talking about how
37:11it was the
37:11hundreds of
37:12millions of
37:12dollars that
37:13Vince McMahon
37:13made off of
37:14these steroids
37:15off of these
37:16guys.
37:16I mean he did
37:17a great speech.
37:19O'Shane I think
37:20at that point
37:20framed it as
37:22you need to
37:22take down
37:23Vince McMahon
37:23because he's
37:25treating wrestlers
37:26as slabs of meat
37:27to make money
37:28and gain power
37:29and fame and
37:30this was nefarious
37:31and intentional
37:32and he knew
37:32what he was doing.
37:34I went out
37:35in the hall
37:36and Stephanie
37:36was out in
37:37the hallway
37:37and she was
37:39a young girl
37:40then and she
37:41was crying.
37:53And I always
37:58really liked
38:00Stephanie and
38:02she was very
38:03upset at the
38:04things he was
38:05saying about
38:05her father
38:05and I just
38:07remember saying
38:08to her
38:08Steph
38:08you haven't
38:10heard me yet
38:10just wait.
38:14This case is
38:15all sizzle
38:16no steak
38:16all icing
38:17no cake.
38:18Whenever we
38:19were doing our
38:19research and I
38:20was plumbing
38:20the FDA files
38:22I came across
38:24these documents
38:25for a drug
38:25called Anivar
38:26which is a
38:26very powerful
38:27steroid
38:28and it was a
38:29memo where
38:30the FDA was
38:31meeting with
38:32the manufacturer
38:32telling them
38:33that Anivar
38:34was not safe
38:35for human
38:36consumption
38:36and that it
38:37had to be
38:38removed from
38:38the market.
38:39This drug
38:40has been given
38:41to many of
38:42these men
38:42who are coming
38:43in here to
38:43testify in
38:45this case.
38:46It demonstrates
38:47how inept they
38:48were in
38:50regulation when
38:50your internal
38:51memos say
38:53that you have
38:54determined that
38:55Anivar is unfit
38:56for human
38:57consumption and
38:57should be removed
38:58from the market
38:59and you know
39:00they didn't do
39:00that.
39:02The jurors
39:02passed a note
39:03to the judge
39:04saying we want
39:05to know whether
39:06what Mr. McDivitt
39:07is saying is
39:07true or not.
39:09Did they not
39:10remove Anivar
39:10from the market?
39:12And we go to
39:12the sidebar and
39:13O'Shea is
39:14don't tell them
39:15judge don't
39:15tell them
39:16I'm going tell
39:16them the truth
39:17tell them the
39:19truth.
39:19And so eventually
39:20the judge tells
39:21him no it
39:21wasn't removed
39:22from the market.
39:23I thought at
39:24that point the
39:25jury really gets
39:26it.
39:26They understand
39:27hypocrisy.
39:28this whole
39:28prosecution for
39:29them to be
39:30coming in here
39:30saying these
39:31men were some
39:32part of some
39:33plan to defraud
39:34the government
39:35agency that's
39:35supposed to be
39:36protecting them
39:37when the government
39:37agency that's
39:38supposed to be
39:39protecting them
39:39failed them
39:40completely.
39:41When it came
39:41down to closing
39:42arguments he
39:43really honed in
39:43on the idea of
39:44the unfairness of
39:45the system but it
39:46was part of a
39:47theme in his
39:47closing argument of
39:48the government is
39:49coming after this
39:50family business
39:51over flimsy
39:53arguments that
39:53you've watched
39:54fall apart before
39:55your very eyes
39:55the last three
39:56weeks.
39:57You know maybe
39:57I'm an optimist
39:58but I didn't
39:59spend one minute
40:00of my time
40:01thinking about
40:01losing.
40:01When the jury's
40:09coming in you
40:10don't only feel
40:11your heart you
40:12hear it beating.
40:14I could hear
40:15Linda's heart
40:16beating.
40:18She was sitting
40:18right next to me
40:19and so it's a
40:20very intense
40:21moment.
40:22In the criminal
40:23context there's so
40:24much more at stake
40:25than money.
40:26It's your liberty,
40:27it's your life,
40:28the survival of the
40:29company, it's
40:29everything.
40:30In federal court
40:32it's in the high
40:3390s percentage of
40:34cases that are
40:35indicted that are
40:36either resolved by
40:37a guilty verdict
40:39or plea bargain.
40:40It's an extremely
40:42low percentage like
40:43two to five percent
40:45that ever go to
40:46trial and where
40:48there's an acquittal
40:48and you can probably
40:50count on one hand
40:52where the defendant
40:54is acquitted without
40:55calling a single
40:55witness.
40:56There's no more
40:57for lack of a
40:59better word
41:00ballsy move than
41:02not to call a
41:02witness and you
41:05know it's one of
41:06those strategies
41:07that if it's
41:08successful and it
41:09works everybody
41:11says oh what a
41:11brave lawyer.
41:12They didn't even
41:13call a witness.
41:14But if it doesn't
41:15work and they get a
41:16conviction and they
41:16say can you believe
41:17that idiot he didn't
41:18call a single witness
41:19to defend the guy.
41:20You know I mean
41:20that's one of those
41:21you make your
41:22judgment and you'll
41:24be judged on it.
41:25They took the
41:27verdict first against
41:29Vince.
41:30They said not guilty.
41:32Meanwhile I'm
41:33sitting there you
41:34know representing
41:34WWE thinking what's
41:36the verdict on
41:36Emmy and I'm hoping
41:37don't tell me you
41:38made some compromise
41:40verdict where you're
41:40going to let Vince
41:41off but you'll find
41:42the company guilty
41:43or something that
41:44would be terrible.
41:46And when it was
41:47not guilty it was
41:50almost like you know
41:51Hulk Hogan I just
41:52want to match at
41:53Madison Square Garden
41:54and it was like
41:55people just popped.
41:58This one is my
41:59favorite one up here.
42:01The jury announced
42:02his verdict.
42:03That's Linda and me
42:04and Vince Hogan.
42:05And what I always
42:06thought was
42:06interesting is the
42:07hands clapping because
42:08that is what happened.
42:09The jury verdict was
42:11very popular.
42:12And they really were
42:13relying on the jury to
42:15see conspiracy as an
42:18overreach by the
42:19prosecution.
42:20That's what it
42:20boiled down to with the
42:21jury and that's what I
42:21think they deliberated
42:22over.
42:23I'm sure that he
42:24will make it out to
42:26be one of his great
42:26triumphs in his vision
42:27of history.
42:28But all the testimony
42:29was that all the guys
42:31were on steroids.
42:32You just didn't get
42:33convicted for being part
42:34of a conspiracy.
42:35But were you built on
42:36the steroids?
42:37You know were all
42:38those guys on steroids?
42:39100% they were.
42:41If anything all the
42:42testimony in that case
42:43proved what everyone
42:44assumed to begin with
42:45anyway.
42:45When Vince McMahon
42:46was exonerated from
42:48this he became even a
42:51more larger than life
42:52personality.
42:53Stay tuned.
42:54This is what we say
42:54in the World Wrestling
42:55Federation and it could
42:56very well be that the
42:57hunters are soon will be
42:59the hunted.
43:00What does that mean
43:01Vince?
43:02Stay tuned Rosanna.
43:05He dodged a big
43:07bullet.
43:10We have this
43:11celebration back at the
43:13hotel we were at.
43:14We're sitting there
43:15after I don't know
43:16probably too many
43:16cocktails that night
43:17is a verdict.
43:19And I said to him
43:20Vince you can take
43:22that neck brace off
43:23now.
43:23Kind of kidding him
43:24you know.
43:24He does.
43:26He takes it off
43:26and starts waving.
43:28But then he put it
43:29back on right
43:30afterwards.
43:31I don't want you to
43:33think there was
43:33nothing wrong with
43:34his neck because
43:34there was.
43:35It was kind of a
43:36funny moment.
43:39How would you
43:40describe you and
43:41Vince's bond?
43:43Unbreakable.
43:44When you represent
43:46somebody in an
43:47ordeal like this
43:48and you stay in the
43:49trenches with them
43:50and you don't blink
43:52and you fight like
43:54hell for them.
43:55The loyalties you
43:56have to each other
43:57they're lifelong.
43:58There's no bond that
43:59would ever break that.
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