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00:30En 1999, porn filmmaker Rob Black combined his passion for violent deathmatches and the spirit of his provocative adult films to realize his dream promotion, Extreme Pro Wrestling.
00:44XPW was a labor of love for Rob. He wanted it to work.
00:48Hold on!
00:48In order to become America's top hardcore wrestling outfit, XPW celebrated those who performed increasingly dangerous stunts.
01:00But then you want to come right there and put a gun in somebody's mouth and blow the back of their brains out.
01:05I outdid you.
01:06But that's who it would take you.
01:08Rob Black had no appreciation for wrestling because he had no f***ing clue about wrestling.
01:13Rob always thought of himself as like a mafia guy.
01:15Can't leave. You know, no one leaves the family.
01:17When the violence in the ring bleeds out into real life, Rob Black's command over a legion of young wrestlers begins to crumble as mounting legal bills force his wrestling and porn empires to implode.
01:32I don't remember the pain of it because I was going into shock.
01:35It got real dark after that.
01:37Dumbasses. Like, what were we thinking?
01:40We weren't.
01:41Rob knew just how to push.
01:43He said, how far can I go?
01:45We're known for all the taboo stuff that everyone said you can't do, and we do it.
01:50And he just pushed a little too far.
01:51Tongue, my sweaty balls.
02:07They're big.
02:09They're not hairy.
02:11They're smooth.
02:13But they're sweaty.
02:15Are you surprised that Rob doesn't want to be a part of this episode?
02:18Honestly, I think it's a no-win situation for him.
02:22I really do.
02:23It's probably better that he doesn't say anything, you know?
02:27But he's the type of guy where he wouldn't want to be part of somebody else's production and somebody else's project.
02:32If you can't hold court and you're just going to sit in a chair and get asked questions, that's just not Rob.
02:37So, for people who don't know, who is Rob Black?
02:40Uh-huh.
02:45Okay, I'm ready.
02:46I'm Jessica Darlin.
02:49I was part of XPW for about two years.
02:52Look at that!
02:53And I was also Extreme Associates contract girl for almost four.
02:59Rob Black is someone, you love him or you hate him.
03:03I can do whatever I want!
03:05I own this f***ing company and you don't!
03:08Rob Black is, in wrestling terms, the ultimate heel.
03:12He is a wrestling owner, promoter, and he had been in the adult film business his whole life.
03:19Kick your arms back, see your f***ing tits, because I'm going to go in with the camera.
03:23He was doing stuff like today would be the norm.
03:27Gaping buttholes and pissing and puking and really wild sex.
03:32He was doing it when no one else did.
03:33And that's who we were, we wanted to be the bad boys.
03:37I do what I want, because I'm the owner's wife.
03:40Lizzie was an adult film actress, and she came to Extreme, started dating Rob.
03:48What are you doing?
03:49Kyle, you don't say enough to me.
03:51You just, you just...
03:52You said ask you what you're doing.
03:53No, no, no, I'm going to ask you what you're doing.
03:55Oh, sorry.
03:56She became his girlfriend and she was done with the business, you know.
03:58She didn't perform.
04:00Like, she directed and produced, and she was part of porn, but she was on the other side of it.
04:05It's me.
04:05In addition to his penchant for subversive pornography, Rob Black is enamored with the underworld of hardcore wrestling
04:13and eventually strikes a working relationship with Extreme Championship Wrestling's revolutionary founder, Paul Heyman.
04:21ECW was a big party.
04:22New Jack serenading angels.
04:25We had fun.
04:26We got hot.
04:27We did drugs.
04:28We had a ball.
04:31I am New Jack, the original gangster.
04:33What Paul E. brought to the table was a group of guys that did our thing, and we had a good time doing it.
04:40It's a challenger!
04:43What I remember about the Rob Black-Paul Heyman relationship was Rob wanted to bring ECW to the West Coast,
04:51and there was arrangements to do that.
04:54I'm David Marquez.
04:55I was the producer and director of the XPW television show.
04:59Welcome to another edition of XPW TV.
05:02But when ECW got their network deal, it was kind of, why do we need Rob?
05:07So that all went out the window.
05:09Rob was extremely upset about that, and to spite ECW, that's how you get XPW.
05:15Because me and WCW have a common hatred, and that's for that son of a bitch, Paul Heyman, back on the East Coast.
05:23That's what set Rob Black off, where I'm going to make this better than ECW.
05:28No, I'm going to do this in spite of you.
05:30I'm Joey Chaos, the rock superstar of XPW, and the owner of Santino Brothers Wrestling in Los Angeles, California.
05:37Yeah!
05:39I wasn't a huge wrestling fan growing up.
05:42I was a huge fan of my Uncle Supreme.
05:45He is like a godfather of deathmatch wrestling, and that is his legacy.
05:53He's the one that loves professional wrestling.
05:56I just tagged along because I love my uncle.
06:01I remember my Uncle Supreme telling me,
06:03Hey, so you know that there's this porno wrestling happening.
06:07Porno wrestling?
06:08Is it going to be wrestling or porn?
06:10What is it?
06:12I walked in the office, and I believe Rob just looked at me and said,
06:17I now own a wrestling company, and you're now going to ballet.
06:23So it was a crazy dynamic.
06:26You would have girls having sex in the office doing scenes.
06:28We also had the ring in the back.
06:31So guys going around, they would be wrestling,
06:34but girls with no clothes on would come all over them.
06:37It was definitely an eye-opener working in there.
06:39My name is Sylvia Munoz on the wrestling circuit.
06:42I'm Jez Belromo, but at XPW, I was the merch girl or the extreme bitch.
06:47It was almost a joy to see people in clothes.
06:49That was more of a turn-on than seeing all the tits-ass dicks.
06:52And, you know, then you had, like, one of the porn guys there,
06:55and he's sitting there, and he's talking to you,
06:56and he's like, Hey, so how's your wrestling scene?
06:59And how's this?
07:00And how's that?
07:00And I'm just like, What are you doing?
07:02He's like, Oh, I'm just getting ready for a scene.
07:04You know, got to stay hard.
07:05And it was just that casual.
07:06I remember walking in and going to training.
07:09This chick was in the pool eating chicken
07:12while the guy was peeing on her, and they're filming it.
07:14And I'm like, What is this shit?
07:16I guess there was people that wanted to see it
07:18because it was funding XPW.
07:20I remember leaving my desk, going into the cafeteria,
07:26and there being a woman dressed up as the Statue of Liberty,
07:29and three guys with presidential masks on partaking in the filming of a scene on the lunch table.
07:38My name is Mike Hartsfield, and I'm a former live event producer for Extreme Pro Wrestling.
07:44And a lot of us would work our nine-hour day and then stay another six or seven or eight hours.
07:51There were nights I slept in the ring.
07:53In order to get paid for wrestling, I had to edit porn.
07:59Not that I was against it.
08:01It's just that the subject matter was so offensive at times.
08:05Here I am, an Emmy Award-winning news guy, editing fossil ****.
08:14I think a lot of the Extreme Girls saw me as like a...
08:18I hate to use this analogy, but like as a new puppy or something like that.
08:22And it was awesome.
08:23It was awesome.
08:26My name is William Welch, and in XPW, my gimmick was the Messiah.
08:30The first Battle Royal I ever was part of,
08:33Why Trash Johnny Webb gave me the chair shot,
08:35and I took it square in the head, didn't put my hands up.
08:38I was told that Rob liked the fact that I didn't put my hands up.
08:42I mean, it looked like an ECW chair shot.
08:45And as he walks by me, he goes,
08:47What's up, Jesus?
08:48Like, I went, What?
08:51I was going to be called the Savior or the Messiah.
08:54And between the two, I could care less,
08:57because I think they both stink.
08:58But it's way better than Jesus.
09:01The Messiah has returned.
09:03At the time, I was working at a steakhouse.
09:11And I'd show up to work with gig marks on my head from bleeding.
09:15And they would send me home.
09:16Like, you can't be around customers looking like that.
09:20It looks like something out of a horror movie.
09:23Messiah was the big dog in XPW.
09:26He held two belts at one time, you know?
09:28You know I got my guardian angel.
09:31Messiah, baby!
09:33Mr. XPW.
09:36I think it was drinking the Kool-Aid that Rob was serving.
09:41Whether it's brainwashing or whatever the case is, and we were brainwashed.
09:45I mean, there wasn't one guy on that roster who didn't bust their ass for that company.
09:50I mean, some of the things I've seen, I don't know why they would do it.
09:57But they did it.
09:59On the long run, it was really, really f***ing stupid to do a lot of those dumb things that we did.
10:05My name is Luke Hawks.
10:08In XPW, I went by Alter Boy Luke.
10:11I did a 450 off the balcony.
10:14Threw a table with thumbtacks with Supreme on it.
10:16450!
10:17Why?
10:18The thumbtacks had actually broke off into my hand.
10:21I had to use pliers to pull the thumbtacks out.
10:24It was always, okay, now what can you do next?
10:27How can you top it?
10:30We wanted to do this fire spot.
10:32So, we sent a ring crew guy to get some lighter fluid.
10:36And it turns out he got charcoal fluid.
10:39Which is oil-based.
10:40Regular lighter fluid, it's alcohol-based, so it burns up quick.
10:43And it starts pulling up on this table, and they put the flame, and it just, and it goes out.
10:49We know what the image should look like, and it's not happening.
10:52It's not, so she keeps doing it.
10:54Then we get this good flame, and they go for the spot.
10:57Since there was so much fluid, his shirt got soaked.
11:05It was horrible.
11:07It was absolutely horrible.
11:10He was running around the ring, screaming.
11:12I don't blame him.
11:13And I saw Chaos pinning Supreme and lifting up, and part of Supreme's skin is on Chaos.
11:21And it was just, it was pretty traumatic.
11:25I went straight to the hospital.
11:27And I remember going upstairs to go see my Uncle Supreme, all wrapped up.
11:32And I remember him saying, damn, that was a good match.
11:36That's fucked, fucked it up.
11:37Like, that was, like, his response.
11:40The roster's willingness to sacrifice themselves on a nightly basis, along with tantalizing appearances of crossover porn stars, made XPW an instant hit with local fans.
11:52In response, ECW stages their first ever live show in Los Angeles.
11:57In wave 2000!
11:59Rob Black always had this, I'm a mafio mentality.
12:03So in his mind, ECW's coming into our territory.
12:07Because you're in our backyard.
12:08Why?
12:09Why, Paul Heyman?
12:10They're coming to, like, kind of shut us up.
12:12In retaliation, Rob Black orders his ring crew to distribute XPW flyers at the event, and has his top talent sit ringside to attempt a disrupting presence.
12:23Rob Black, he can get you to go to war for him.
12:25100%.
12:26He had that ability to get you and say, f***, dude, we're going to f***ing die for you.
12:30We'll die right here at heatwave for you, brother.
12:32Like, let's do it.
12:33Die for the cause.
12:35Sitting there in the front row, and then the main event comes on.
12:39So I turn to the hard camp, and I throw the X symbol, like, this is it.
12:46Security just mobs us.
12:48Just grab my neck, like, with the gorilla paws.
12:52We're getting thrown out of this building.
12:56They close the doors, and it's quiet.
13:02There's all this ruckus, and it's just quiet.
13:07And we're like, where is everybody?
13:09Meanwhile, on the other side of the arena, the XPW ring crew is not so lucky.
13:14And we beat the f*** out of them.
13:17I had just had surgery on my leg.
13:19So I hit somebody in the face with a crush.
13:22The guy came up, he was like, New Jack, we don't want no trouble.
13:24And I was like, f*** Jack, what happened?
13:25You don't go after the Supreme, you don't go after Messiah, you don't go after Kick-Ass.
13:30You go after a couple of the 140-pound ring crew guys.
13:34That's what you do, because your company and you are a piece of s***.
13:39And us and XPW are going to flush you, the piece of s***, right down the toilet.
13:46I straight up told Joey, I straight up told him, this was stupid.
13:49And in the back of my mind, I'm also thinking, Rob Black was supposed to be here.
13:55Where is he?
14:02In April 2001, financial ruin forces ECW to fold, allowing rival promoter Rob Black to welcome their top talent into XPW's growing empire of extreme.
14:15Everything that Rob Black said, like, happened.
14:16You know, to be honest with you, to his credit, like, I'm going to bring in Sabu, I'm going to bring in Shane Douglas.
14:23And we were like, yeah, right.
14:24And then he'd bring this guy in, and we were like, Jesus, this is, this is real.
14:28Wait for f*** sake, we got Terry Funk, I mean, we were big.
14:31Terry Funk's got that.
14:32Oh no!
14:33We made it.
14:34Do you remember how he explained his vision for what XPW was going to be?
14:38It was going to be ECW on steroids.
14:41That's what he said.
14:43Wait a minute.
14:45But I laughed at it, I said, let's do it.
14:47I'm Sabu.
14:49After I left ECW, Rob Black called me up, then I go out there and I find out it's a half a porn company.
14:54Sabu is here in XPW, ladies and gentlemen.
14:58It's Sabu!
14:59You know, and then he got like Candido, Cronus, and Nujek.
15:04What you consider a wrestling ring, I consider a killing fear.
15:08And a few other guys.
15:09So it's starting to look like a rejected ECW.
15:14Did Paul E or any of your other ECW guys give you s*** for doing this XPW stuff?
15:18What they gonna say to me?
15:19I ain't gonna f*** about Paul E or no f***ing body, you know what I mean?
15:25I ain't gonna f*** about the mother f***ing.
15:26I was getting to make you money.
15:28I got to eat.
15:30And guess the point?
15:30Well, what we have here is our warehouse, which houses all of our dirty, filthy pornography.
15:44He was like, Jack, get whatever you want.
15:46I was driving to Portland around, going out to get my porn, and I was s*** with boxing on him.
15:54I swear to God, I had over a thousand DVDs.
16:01Despite the demise of his main competitor, Rob continues to escalate the violence in XPW to disturbing new extremes.
16:10There was a show where I was wrestling Supreme and Angel.
16:14Down goes Supreme!
16:16And I put my hand up in the chair, smacked me, and it looks brutal.
16:19Like, he kills me with the chair.
16:23As soon as we get to the back dressing room, Rob Black's in the back, and he's going,
16:28This is f***ing XPW!
16:31We don't put our f***ing hands up!
16:33We don't do it!
16:34And, like, he's, like, yelling at me.
16:36And I'm going, Wait, did I do something wrong?
16:38Because I was always taught, you know, to put my hand up for a chair shot.
16:43Don't stick your neck out.
16:44So Jerry Lynn pulls me aside.
16:46He goes, Don't listen to a thing, he says.
16:48He has no clue what he's talking about.
16:49You did it right.
16:50You protected yourself.
16:51It looked great.
16:52What I didn't know was behind the scenes that Rob, the next show, was going to have me handcuffed
16:58and crucified, basically, chained up like this with my arms out.
17:01And he told Supreme that, as payback, he had to hit me several times across the head unprotected
17:09with the chair.
17:11And I had no idea it was coming.
17:13Oh, my goodness!
17:16And next thing you know, one shot turns to two, two shots turn to three.
17:27Oh, my goodness!
17:28Probably cracking my skull.
17:30Well, I didn't go to the doctor because I didn't have health insurance, but I have a really
17:32big indention from those chair shots in my skull.
17:34Come on, let me back up!
17:36We won't have none of it!
17:37So I remember they were like, you're very bad concussed.
17:40You can't go to sleep.
17:41You got to sit up.
17:42And sitting in a hotel room after, just miserable.
17:45My head's pounding.
17:45I'm throwing up.
17:46I kind of have no idea where I'm at.
17:48I'm wondering if I'm going to die.
17:49And this is all because of some goddamn idiot who knows nothing about wrestling, thinks
17:52I needed to pay for putting my hand up on a chair shot.
17:56With mounting injuries and a waning interest in performing for bloodthirsty crowds, the
18:02Messiah is forced to reconsider his future in the company.
18:06I just went to Rob.
18:07I had the belts with me, and I went, I'm done.
18:10Like, I'm done.
18:11My body's beat up.
18:12He just looked at me, and he went, okay, if you're done, I'm done.
18:17I'm like, wait, what?
18:18He goes, if you don't want to do this anymore, I don't want to do this anymore.
18:21It's that simple.
18:22I'm finished.
18:24And I know he would never have stopped doing XPW because I left.
18:28I know that never would have happened.
18:30Honestly, I got played.
18:33That's what happened.
18:34I remember talking to Lizzy about it, and Lizzy essentially said, that's what he does.
18:38Lizzy said he's done that to me, too.
18:41Even when it came to, like, Lizzy, Lizzy Borden and I.
18:45Lizzy said, Rob wants me to flirt with guys.
18:47I was like, why?
18:49I don't know.
18:49He just likes it.
18:51You know, I think Rob liked having the hot girlfriend.
18:53I think he looked really cute.
18:55Keep your top on, though.
18:56I'm trying, hon.
18:57You can't have her, but, you know, she's flirting with you, but it doesn't mean she wants you.
19:03It's good.
19:04And Rob, you know, Rob was getting, like, you know, BJs, like, every other day.
19:10You know, he'd tell the girl that was doing it that he's filming it for another title, Cocksmokers.
19:15That was the other one.
19:16I know she would get jealous of some of the girls that, you know, were rumored to have been with Rob.
19:21Whenever they had an argument, she would just show up at my house.
19:25And I think I got caught in the crosshairs of something that was going on between Lizzy and Rob.
19:33And I was used as, like, a chess piece.
19:38How beautiful you are.
19:40Well, but I have to go south of here.
19:41Don't.
19:42Please don't.
19:42Let's see your boobies.
19:45You want, what, you want me to do a f***ing carnal?
19:49Spooky.
19:49I'm going to do a movie.
19:50Maybe not.
19:51I want to do a movie.
19:54Oh, really?
19:55So?
19:57Who can I do it with?
19:59No one.
20:03I think when it came to me, she just, it just, things got taken too far.
20:12It just got taken too far.
20:15That was the story I remember hearing, that the Messiah and Lizzy Borden had something going on.
20:20And then I remember Supreme, we would always just say, no.
20:23No way.
20:24No way.
20:24He wouldn't, he wouldn't mess this up.
20:26Like, this, we all love this wrestling thing.
20:28We're all trying to make a go at it.
20:30So what happened?
20:30Uh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
20:33Unfortunately, yeah, Lizzy and I ended up hooking up.
20:36You know, and I knew it was bad news as soon as it happened.
20:39I figured Rod didn't care who f***ed his girl.
20:41You know, but he said, as long as it's on film, he don't care.
20:44It's behind his back, he cares.
20:46And I don't let him.
20:49So he wanted to kill him.
20:50When wrestler the Messiah fails to show for an XPW event, rumors of his affair with Lizzy Borden begin to circulate.
21:03There was a house show we were going to do in our warehouse.
21:07And from what I understand, Sabu showed up and the Messiah didn't.
21:13I didn't tell Supreme or Chaos or any of those guys what was going on.
21:17Those would have been the guys I would have told.
21:19How did it come out?
21:19Uh, it just come out, Rob.
21:22Rob, uh, Rob found out.
21:24And they go, well, yeah, it comes out like, hey, yeah, he was f***ing the boss's wife.
21:27And we were, our jaw dropped.
21:29Like, really?
21:30Why would he mess up this XPW thing, man?
21:33Like, why would he do that?
21:35Like, f***, he f***ed up.
21:37I slept with Billy, too.
21:41They got around all of them.
21:44Rob Black and Lizzy Borden's relationship survives the affair, but the Messiah is promptly exiled from XPW.
21:55And so the Messiah was written out of the company through a bizarre storyline that happened with an apparition out in the warehouse.
22:04Messiah, you can't go.
22:05I need you tonight.
22:08Everything is on the line.
22:09What are you thinking?
22:11What are you thinking?
22:13The Messiah has come.
22:17And gone.
22:21He went to heaven.
22:22That was when they explained to him to go away.
22:24Another lame hit, you know, for the company.
22:27This ain't funny.
22:29You've got to, I don't know what the f*** I'm doing, man.
22:35I had a conversation with Rob where he basically just threatened me on the phone and essentially was like, give me a countdown.
22:41Three days.
22:43You got three days to live.
22:45You know, this is what I'm going to do for you, Billy.
22:48I'm going to buy you a plane ticket to Michigan and you get out of California.
22:50And I'm not running.
22:53That's the exact words I told him.
22:54I'm not running.
22:56With the loss of one of XPW's biggest attractions, Rob Black looks to stage his most ambitious spectacle yet with a high stakes match between New Jack and Vic Grimes.
23:07Unbeknownst to Grimes, New Jack aims to retaliate against him for a fractured skull he suffered in a previous match two years earlier.
23:16See here, I can get away with murder.
23:20Murder.
23:21I mean real murder.
23:24And that's what I'm getting ready to do.
23:26Whose idea was it to do that scaffold match?
23:29Rob Black.
23:31He told me he's a jack who's going to do a scaffold match.
23:34The loser gets thrown off.
23:35I'm going to flip a coin.
23:36I said, Rob, you can flip a coin all day long.
23:40Vic is getting thrown off my scaffold.
23:42I said, I'm not taking that bump.
23:44Big head.
23:45All right.
23:47Listen to me.
23:49Changing the stipulations a little bit, all right?
23:51We need to spice this shit up.
23:55The freefall event was a colossal undertaking, to say the least.
24:00Everyone was under the assumption this scaffolding was going to be used for cameramen, including the building.
24:05If I had gone about the insurance the normal way a lot of companies do, it probably would have been pretty difficult.
24:12So to bypass a lot of that, I would just make up the insurance waivers on my computer.
24:18I remember finding an old insurance certificate that they had used prior, and I scanned it, and I whited out some certain things, and then I just typed up who needed coverage.
24:30I faxed them the certificate that I made, and I got a call saying, just got the insurance.
24:37We're good to go on the show.
24:39So, wait a minute.
24:41There wasn't actually insurance for the event?
24:44Yeah.
24:45Look at this.
24:46Crimes.
24:47Crimes are starting.
24:48And yes, yes, they're both going up.
24:50You know, and that damn thing looked rickety.
24:52It's not meant to have two big guys up there bumping and fighting.
24:56I remember seeing the thing, and it's kind of shifting back and forth, and I'm just like, holy shit.
25:00And the crowd went, oh, oh, and I could see the scaffolding swaying.
25:06What the hell is going to happen?
25:08And just watching everything going on, just crossing my fingers.
25:13Please, God, please have mercy on their souls.
25:15And I hear the crowd gasping, and I look up, and New Jack's got a stun gun.
25:20Oh, look at this.
25:21I could not believe it, and I was just like, it's going to be over soon.
25:25It's going to be over soon.
25:26No, please, no.
25:27I'll never forget just, like, the look on Vic's face when he was just coming down, and it just looked like pure terror.
25:37It was really an intense moment, but as he turned over, his legs hit the ring ropes and flipped him back into the ring.
25:46If it had hit his butt, he would have slid out onto the concrete.
25:50His bitch ass would have hit the goddamn floor.
25:53It's flattered like a f***ing egg.
25:57That was a little f***ing dangerous, and a little, like, there is a God, and he just saved his ass.
26:05Vic Grimes is going to need medical attention, please.
26:08Let's clear the building.
26:10What was the reaction from Rob Black?
26:12Oh, he was like, Jack, that was great.
26:13I loved it.
26:14That was great.
26:14Thank you.
26:15Here's the bonus.
26:16So he paid me.
26:17So I did my last show, which was with Vic Grimes.
26:26Once I got him, I felt like mission accomplished.
26:30I was done.
26:32So I left.
26:33With New Jack's departure, Rob Black loses another big star.
26:44To make matters worse, the Messiah publicly admits to his affair with Lizzie Borden, boasting about it at a show in Southern California.
26:52I was told by people at the Extreme Associate's office that Rob was keeping tabs on me, that he knew and was aware of everything I was doing.
27:01I then started getting very resentful.
27:05F*** you!
27:06F*** all that!
27:09F*** all that!
27:10F*** all that!
27:12And I know in Rob's mind, you weren't supposed to hear about me ever again.
27:16In my mind, I'm stuffing it down Rob's throat.
27:18And I was happy to do it.
27:20I hate that f***!
27:22That f***!
27:23Capsucker!
27:24The whole entire place started chanting, you have to Lizzie.
27:27F*** you!
27:28What?
27:29Lizzie!
27:30Me being in my 23-year-old frame of mind, I yelled, uh...
27:37And she f***ing loved it!
27:42Wasn't the most smartest thing I've ever done.
27:44Because up to that point, I'd always just denied it.
27:49But I remember saying like, man, Billy, like, hey, just let it go, bro.
27:52Like, let it go.
27:53Like, he fired you.
27:55You f***ed the boss's wife.
27:57Like, you guys are even.
27:58Just let it go.
27:59If you're going to tell me I can't do something, you're going to threaten me.
28:03I'm going to prove to you that I can do it.
28:04I'm going to show you that I'm not scared of you.
28:06No, no, where's it anymore?
28:08I'm not talking about that bad f***!
28:10With the Messiah's outspoken bravado and XPW's diminishing attendance, Rob Black's frustration intensifies.
28:19XPW had put on a show.
28:21I purposely sit up in a nosebleed section.
28:24The match wasn't very good.
28:26The crowd started throwing like around a beach ball and chanting beach ball.
28:30You know, the beach ball would get snatched.
28:32And, you know, the crowd would go, oh!
28:33The crowd was not being receptive.
28:36I guess Rob found out I was there.
28:39And I was told he threw a temper tantrum backstage.
28:43My phone rings.
28:44It's Dynamite D.
28:45Hey, you need to leave.
28:48Wait, why do I need to leave?
28:49Rob is p***ed off.
28:52And he's yelling at all of us because you're here.
28:57I hung up the phone and we left.
29:01I mean, we left.
29:02That was it.
29:03I just got home from work.
29:11I just bought a Nintendo GameCube, so I was going to play some video games.
29:14The front door opens.
29:16And these two guys walk in.
29:19I immediately assumed they were with my roommate.
29:22So I didn't think anything of it.
29:23I even said, hey, what's up?
29:25I can see the reflection off the TV of the two guys.
29:29I see the one guy lock the door.
29:30And then I see both of them going, uh, you get him.
29:35No, you get him.
29:36And, uh, I have turned like this to then confront them, and then, boom, they just jumped on me.
29:42One of them got me in a chokehold, but I knew he didn't have it in right.
29:50So I get choked out all the time, and I knew what a chokehold felt like.
29:56One of them got my hand down, and the other one had clippers.
30:01And, uh, got it around my thumb, and then snapped it, and the thumb popped right off.
30:11Then they went to my other hand, and I kept it in a fist.
30:14So they couldn't get it, and they started pounding on my hand to open up my fist.
30:17And I wouldn't do it.
30:20We had, uh, like a little fish tank, and busted it over my head.
30:24They were trying, I think, to knock me out.
30:29I was able to get to the door.
30:33Without having my thumb, it was like I was waving at the lock.
30:37So they got me, pulled me back in.
30:44They just got on top of me and started, like, you know, punching me in the face or punching me anywhere.
30:50By this point, both of them are gassed out and tired.
30:58One of them threw a punch at me.
31:00I got him in an arm bar and just wrenched on it, and he screamed.
31:10When he screamed, I let go, made it to the door, was able to unlock the door at that point.
31:17And the door just flew open, and they both ran out.
31:24Got a cup of ice, and then began to try to search for my thumb.
31:31But it was hard to find anything.
31:34And I couldn't locate it, and then I think I just passed out.
31:44While the Messiah was fighting off home invaders, his XPW colleagues were unaware his life was in serious danger.
31:52On this particular night, GQ Money and I were going to film a segment for XPW TV.
31:58And then all of a sudden, there's a knock on the door.
32:02Go open the door.
32:03It's Rob Black.
32:05What the fuck is Rob Black doing here?
32:07Like, Rob Black has never been here.
32:09Like, why is he here?
32:10And he was not the Rob Black that we need.
32:15He kind of just sat on the couch.
32:16So I was like, why are you here?
32:18Why are you here?
32:20I had no clue.
32:21I woke up the next morning.
32:22Barely said two black guys came into his house, and there was a fight.
32:27To this day, I don't know if they were after to kill him or what they were after to do.
32:30But a lot of us were just in shock and awe.
32:33And, you know, it's like, and then the rumors started flying, the speculation.
32:37I remember how I first saw it.
32:38It was on America's Most Wanted.
32:40And I remember I was sitting with my husband, and I go, holy shit, that's Messiah.
32:47Oh, my God, they cut off his thumb.
32:48What's going on?
32:49What's going on?
32:50But who would want the Messiah hurt for real?
32:54To answer that, cops have been delving into the secretive and sometimes sleazy subculture of indie wrestling.
33:01And I remember looking at my husband and going, fuck, we all know who did this.
33:06We all know who's behind it.
33:08But fuck, we can't do nothing.
33:09And I can't prove it.
33:11What's going on?
33:12What's happening?
33:13Is that true?
33:14Really?
33:14Rob Black has something to do with it?
33:16No, come on.
33:17And I actually asked Rob about it one day.
33:20Okay, message Sunday, 1.09 a.m.
33:23Hey, I'm too, Jack.
33:25I heard what happened to the Messiah, right?
33:27And don't forget, like, you know, the whole world.
33:31Oh, man, did you do that?
33:33And he was like, oh, no, Jack, I had nothing to do with that.
33:36You know, the speculation, I don't know who did it.
33:38I know that Billy had said there was two black guys, you know, that physically did it.
33:42After this had happened, I remember Rob Black saying, watch out who you hang out with.
33:48You might get your arm chopped off.
33:51What did that mean?
33:52Be careful who you hang in the route with.
33:54You know what I mean?
33:54Because he was pissed that we were still friends with Messiah.
33:57Oh, yeah, 100%.
33:58He was pissed that we weren't like, fuck that guy.
34:00You know what I mean?
34:01I actually ended up leaving, I would say, within a couple weeks to a month after that.
34:05It wasn't fun when people were going, one thumb up, or trying to shake your hand and going
34:11like that instead of the normal, and, you know, and laughing about it.
34:15There's no proof, and this is just one girl talking.
34:17The biggest thing I could do, in my opinion, was to go back doing what I love, which was wrestling.
34:40And that's what I did.
34:42And everybody in this arena did a good one, because this is no f***ing work.
34:48I have no f***ing thumb, and I don't give a s***, because I can still open a mirror,
34:54still play f***ing video games, and still run a f***ing telegram to anybody I f***ing want to.
35:00With no evidence linking Rob Black to the assault on the Messiah, he is never charged.
35:06However, he and Lizzie begin to draw the attention of federal authorities for posturing in the media
35:12about pushing legal boundaries with their latest adult films.
35:15A girl being kidnapped, being forced to have sex, being butchered at the end, and spit on.
35:23She's being degraded.
35:24We're known for all the taboo stuff that everyone said you can't do, and we do it, and we sell it,
35:29and people are entertained, because people are bored with the other stuff.
35:32They were doing such extreme stuff, and I wasn't into it, and it wasn't where I wanted to go.
35:41And so I finally just said, you know, hey, Rob, this is, you know, this is where it ends.
35:46I watch Nightline all the time.
35:48This is Nightline.
35:49And just on random day, Rob's a guest of Ted Koppel.
35:55He was trying to justify the lewd acts that were in these videos against freedom of speech.
36:01And John Ashcroft, the attorney general of the United States at that point, was coming after him.
36:07We're not drug dealers or murderers, you know.
36:11We make movies.
36:13Rob always wanted to be like Hugh Hefner or Larry Flint.
36:16We make movies, just like Hollywood makes movies, just like, uh...
36:21Well, no, they're not just like Hollywood makes movies.
36:24In your movies, women are brutally raped.
36:26They're actually beat up.
36:28I'm fighting for your First Amendment rights.
36:31And he wasn't.
36:32He was fighting for himself.
36:34Zachari, quote, issued a challenge to Attorney General Ashcroft,
36:38and said that Ashcroft, quote, could not do anything about his films.
36:42And I'm at home, and I'm like, you're challenging John Ashcroft?
36:47You're challenging the United States government?
36:49Like, why would you do that?
36:51Why would anyone do that?
36:53There was a time when there was a meeting in Rob's office.
36:56Rob stood up from his desk and said, hey, when we get raided by the feds,
37:01everyone report to Kevin.
37:02That's who's going to get information.
37:05That's who you need to speak to.
37:06When we get raided by the feds, it wasn't if, it was when.
37:13I remember the morning of the postal raid at Extreme Associates.
37:19We figured out what was going on, because everyone was wearing
37:22the United States Postal Service, kind of like the CIA or FBI jackets
37:25you see in movies and television.
37:28And we put two and two together and figured out that the government
37:31somehow, someway, figured out how to get robbed.
37:36How can you go on network television and challenge the government?
37:42Like, who does that?
37:43And he did.
37:45And he got popped for it.
37:52They had to go after me first, because I had the biggest model.
37:55You can't start a war on pornography unless you go after the person
38:00that is defying you the most.
38:03Right here is the federal five.
38:06These are the five tapes that could put me in jail forever.
38:10I was really interested on where it was going to go,
38:14because I thought that's a brilliant question.
38:17Like, who in government is going to decide what's decent or indecent
38:21between two paid actors?
38:23But, I mean, it was like, Rob knew what he was doing,
38:26and he knew that legally you cannot have someone sit there
38:28and say, f*** my 13-year-old ass.
38:30You can't do it.
38:31But he didn't care.
38:33The funny thing about my business is I don't force it on anybody.
38:37The only people that are going to be forced to watch my movies
38:40are the 12 people that sit in that jury.
38:43Facing multiple charges for violating federal obscenity statutes,
38:48Rob Black and Lizzie Borden face 50 years in prison
38:51and millions in fines.
38:53The legal battle quickly consumes all of Rob Black's resources,
38:58spelling the end of XPW.
38:59There were times when there would just be a month of talent check bouncing,
39:05and there would be 20 people in the lobby pissed off,
39:08and literally everyone with a check in their hand.
39:12XPW will be starting in just a few minutes,
39:15so please grab your seats and get ready to get extreme!
39:20It killed the whole business because all the lawyer fees,
39:26and you can't produce movies,
39:29you can't pay wrestlers, you can't pay actors, you can't pay actresses.
39:32I think he ultimately thought that the adult industry would,
39:36you know, come to his support,
39:38and they saw through his BS.
39:41He should have known it then, but he definitely knows it now.
39:43Dude, the government, they got more money,
39:46they got more lawyers, and they got more time.
39:50These charges were getting dropped and dropped and dropped,
39:54and one finally stuck.
39:57Unable to mount a costly defense,
39:59Rob and Lizzie opt to plead guilty
40:01to a single charge of conspiracy to distribute obscene materials.
40:06I believe he got a year and a day, if I'm not mistaken.
40:09I remember when I heard that Rob and Lizzie were thrown in jail.
40:12I kind of feel bad for Lizzie because it's like,
40:15you know, she wasn't the most innocent, sweet thing in the world either,
40:18but I think she went down just because her name was on the title.
40:22I thought he got what he deserved,
40:23not because of what happened to me,
40:25but to go on TV and ask the government,
40:30yeah, yeah, come, come at me, do it.
40:33Just the ego, the absolute ego.
40:38After serving his time,
40:40Rob Black leaves the world of wrestling behind,
40:43and his relationship with Lizzie would also come to an end.
40:47You know, I've asked myself over the years,
40:49it's been almost 20 years,
40:50and I've asked myself,
40:51if I could do it again, would I?
40:54F*** yeah.
40:55Yes, every part of it, even the bad times, I would.
40:59Yes, of course I'd go back.
41:01Because we had something incredibly special there.
41:05I mean, it wasn't just the wrestlers,
41:07and it wasn't just Rob Black,
41:08it was a combination of everything that made the magic.
41:12Everybody wanted the show to succeed.
41:15Now I'm in Hollywood, now I'm living my dream,
41:18and I have the greatest job in the world,
41:20and that might not have happened if I wasn't an XBW.
41:23That time is incredibly important to me.
41:27All of the situations that, you know,
41:29involved in the friendships that are still happening to this day.
41:32Me and Sylvia, we actually got married at a pro wrestling show.
41:37We're actually celebrating our nine-year anniversary next week.
41:39We are like peanut butter and jelly.
41:42We just love wrestling, and that's all we do.
41:44So my uncle, Supreme,
41:47the people just really loved him.
41:51You know, unfortunately, he passed away last May 6th.
41:54There's just a lot of, like, love, like, when he passed away.
41:58Just a lot of love, like, that people just messaging
42:03and just talking about him.
42:05I mean, just, I know it really touched me,
42:06but I just so wish, like, f**k.
42:09I just so wish that, like,
42:12people would have let him know when he was alive,
42:14because he loved that shit.
42:16Like, who doesn't?
42:18But, man, without Supreme,
42:20I'd have never been a wrestler whatsoever.
42:22I don't know what I'd be doing.
42:24I'd be driving a truck, I guess.
42:25I don't know.
42:26It's racing now with his uncle, Supreme.
42:29I would not change one thing
42:31from the simple fact of
42:33all of that led me to my wife,
42:35and now I have my two daughters.
42:37So it was all worth it in my eyes.
42:41Because at the end of the day,
42:43Messiah means nothing.
42:45Once I get, walk through that door at home,
42:47I'm just dad and husband,
42:49and that's the most important thing to me.
42:52What we're doing right now
42:53will put SCW back on the map
42:56for a few months,
42:58but it ain't nothing that they did
43:00that'd be like,
43:01oh, that'll go down in history
43:03besides me throwing big grounds
43:05over the f**king scaffold.
43:07As far as I know,
43:08Rob is happily married.
43:10He has a couple kids,
43:11and I think he's renting a hamburger shop
43:13back east somewhere.
43:15I'm not quite sure where,
43:16but I always wonder,
43:17like, would he want,
43:18if he could come back, would he?
43:21And I don't know.
43:22I have no idea who the Rob Black is now,
43:24or who Robert Zaccari is nowadays,
43:26because I wonder,
43:27is he still Rob Black?
43:29And action.
43:30Honey, why are you so ripped up?
43:32Everything's going to be okay.
43:33They turned their backs on me.
43:37I'm playing with dolls.
43:38I'm done with all that.
43:40It's going to be a new me.
43:41People are going to regret
43:42what they did to me.
43:45What are you talking about?
43:47You'll see.
43:48You'll see.
43:49I gotta get something to drink.
43:51I'm dying over here.
43:56They turned their backs on him.
43:58Cut.
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