00:00Senator Lujan. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Secretary Kennedy, Dr. Daskalakis, who recently resigned as director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, his resignation letter stated he and his team were never allowed to brief you. I'm curious who you're listening to since it's clear you're not listening to qualified experts like Dr. Daskalakis. Can you give the committee the name of the person?
00:25I don't consider Dr. Daskalakis. Mr. Secretary, the question that I have for you is can you give the committee a name of who you're getting briefed by? I'm getting briefed by all the time by CDC. Just a name. Dr. William Thompson's one name. Thank you very much, sir. But I can get you a whole list of others. It's on my schedule. Mr. Secretary, that's not a hard question. You know a lot of answers. I'm not being evasive. Okay, then you answered it. Let's go on.
00:53Now, you said that you're soon going to release a study claiming to reveal the cause of autism. Timed, unsurprisingly, with the upcoming ACIP meeting to justify taking vaccines from Americans. Now, as you know, autism affects millions of children. So I guess you'd have the nation's top medical experts working on this. Mr. Kennedy, you hired a man named David Geyer to conduct this study. Is that correct?
01:19No.
01:19Is Mr. David Geyer working for HHS?
01:25He's a contractor, but he's not conducting a study.
01:28He's a contractor?
01:29He's a contractor.
01:30Do you know who works for you, Mr. Kennedy?
01:32Yeah.
01:32Do you know that Mr. Geyer is listed as a HHS on the employee directory as a senior data analyst, not a contractor?
01:41He's a contractor. He's not an SGE.
01:43So is your website wrong?
01:45He's not an SGE. I don't know what the...
01:48I'm going to pull up the website for you?
01:50He's a contractor.
01:52If the website says he is a senior data analyst, will you at least admit to the committee that you were wrong?
01:57Well, I don't know if a contractor can be classified as a senior data analyst or not.
02:02Is Mr. Geyer a doctor?
02:04No.
02:05Did you know he never went to medical school?
02:08He's not...
02:09He's not...
02:10We're not...
02:10He's not practicing medicine.
02:12Did you know that he got caught in Maryland and was charged for practicing medicine without a medical license?
02:19He was charged by a medical board.
02:20He sued the medical board, and the medical board was found to have acted in actual malice and was fined $2.6 million by a judge in Maryland for doing that.
02:32See, so you choose to know a lot when you want to know a lot.
02:36It's incredible, Mr. Kennedy.
02:38Senator, you're ridiculous.
02:40So here's the question I have.
02:42You brought him in to do this study.
02:44I think there's no question about it.
02:45I told you he's not doing a study.
02:47Is he participating in the study?
02:50No.
02:50Is he doing any analysis in regards to this study?
02:53No.
02:53What he's doing is getting access to the Vaccine Safety Data Link, which is the biggest repository for vaccine information that your friend would not give us for seven months.
03:05Mr. Secretary, I've asked you this question, just because you know the answer.
03:09What is Mr. Geyer doing?
03:10He is the only one, because Congress ordered CDC to open up the VST to him in 2002.
03:20He's the only outsider who has ever seen it.
03:23So because CDC will not give us...
03:26Mr. Secretary, is he participating in this then?
03:29No.
03:30You just said he's the only dude that knows what's going on here.
03:33Do you want me to explain it to you, Senator?
03:36No, because you're confusing me.
03:37Do you just want to show a vote?
03:38I'll submit this...
03:40You just want to show a vote for your ads, or do you want to hear a real answer to your question?
03:45Mr. Secretary, you choose to know answers to questions with some colleagues...
03:50I'm willing to give you the answer.
03:52I'm willing to give you the answer.
03:54Mr. Secretary, someone should have asked you, maybe President Trump should have asked you, are you a trustworthy person?
04:00And we should have waited for an answer then.
04:02Let's move on.
04:03I don't even know what you're talking about.
04:04You're talking gibberish.
04:05Mr. Secretary, let me speak slowly and clearly so that you can understand me through my New Mexico accent.
04:12And then give me a chance to answer.
04:13Does this help?
04:14Can you understand me?
04:16Yes.
04:16Appreciate that.
04:17Mr. Secretary, yes or no, did you hire Mr. Geyer to do this study?
04:23No.
04:24Mr. Chairman, well, let me ask, maybe we'll just get a good answer here.
04:31Mr. Secretary, will you commit to sharing the protocols used for the autism study with Congress and to the public?
04:41They're public.
04:43Will you commit to giving it to this committee by the end of the week?
04:46No, not because that's not the way it works.
04:50You don't even know what you're talking about.
04:51Mr. Secretary, will you commit to sharing the protocols for the study by the end of the month?
04:56We already have put out.
04:58You just said it's public.
04:59We put out the notice of funding opportunities and then the scientists from all over the world.
05:05You're not understanding me.
05:06Let me say it clearly again.
05:07No, you're not understanding how the world works.
05:09Do you understand what the protocols are?
05:11Do you understand what they are?
05:12The scientists who are doing the studies submit the protocol.
05:16Okay, so you know what they are.
05:17That's not coming from us.
05:18Okay, so will you commit to sharing those protocols with this committee?
05:22Well, anybody can get a hold of the protocol.
05:24It's published with the study.
05:26Mr. Chairman, what I'd like to ask is for your commitment here.
05:30I'll send a letter to the secretary.
05:32I'll ask for support from the leadership of this committee to ask for those protocols.
05:37If those protocols are not given to this committee.
05:39Anybody can get the protocols.
05:41Mr. Secretary, I'm not talking to you.
05:43Mr. Chairman, what I'm asking.
05:44If the protocols are public, we can work with you.
05:46What I'm asking, Mr. Chairman, is that if those protocols are not given to this committee,
05:50I'm asking for your agreement that we follow through with a subpoena to get them.
05:56No, I will not agree to a subpoena of anything.
05:59Let's see what happens.
05:59Mr. Chairman, you'll help me get them if they're available publicly?
06:02Yes.
06:03I appreciate that, Mr. Chairman.
06:04Mr. Kennedy, with all the questions here today, people just want to know the truth.
06:12I don't think so.
06:13Mr. Secretary, you don't think so.
06:15I don't think so.
06:16I hope everyone recording that got that because they're explaining the secretary's tenure here.
06:22Look, two young ladies in Las Cruces, New Mexico at a town hall recently gave me this starfish pin.
06:27I was going to give it to you today, but after your questioning today, I don't think you deserve it
06:32because what this represents is to remember that every one of us can make a difference, sir,
06:38to something as small as a starfish on a beach that maybe got washed up and you throw it back in the ocean.
06:43You might not save them all, but you can save one.
06:45I'm sorry that you're not worthy of this nice little pin, sir, as a nice reminder.
06:50I'm going to pray for you, Secretary Kennedy.
06:51I hope we do better.
06:53I want you to do better.
06:54But today was a failure for you, man.
06:56I yield back.
06:57Senator.
06:58Senator.
06:58Senator.
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