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00:00We got more from Vrabel coming up.
00:01That IR thing, I heard differently in real time.
00:04I think you heard it right, Keith.
00:06You usually do.
00:07He left the door open for IR more than I realized.
00:10I'm not answering that.
00:11I'm just going to say he's not practicing today.
00:12I kind of thought it was a little more dismissive.
00:14He left that door open more for IR than I thought.
00:17I thought so too.
00:18Now, he also is trying to play it where he didn't rule him out for Sunday either.
00:23Right?
00:23So it's like he might play Sunday.
00:26I'm not saying he's not for sure going on the IR, though.
00:29That also, I guess, could happen.
00:31Because at first, he didn't even want to fully commit to he wasn't going to be out there today.
00:35That doesn't sound like it.
00:36Guys, he's not out there.
00:37He's not going to be out there.
00:39All right, you got it out of me.
00:40He's not going to play.
00:42But, yeah, this is a major – he's the best player not even up for debate on the team.
00:50We were doing a lot of research on hamstring injuries in the last break.
00:53Yeah, it's all over the map.
00:54Well, it is.
00:55Their example, Justin Jefferson missed seven games.
00:57Okay, so if it's a higher-grade hamstring injury, like a grade-three hamstring injury,
01:02you could miss a chunk of time.
01:03Players have gone on IR with hamstring injuries.
01:05Mike Evans did it last year in-season.
01:07I think Nico Collins did it last year.
01:09Was it two years ago?
01:10He did it recently.
01:11But A.J. Brown is another one that did it in camp.
01:14A.J. Brown missed about a month.
01:16He's back out there.
01:17He's practicing with the Eagles.
01:18He injured his hamstring around a similar time.
01:20He's an older player than Gonzalez.
01:22He's not up for a contract.
01:23He got his contract.
01:24And what do you know?
01:25He's back out there ready to go.
01:27And Gonzo's going on over five weeks since his.
01:29So they're not all the same.
01:31But I would say most hamstring injuries are like three or four weeks.
01:34And you're back out there.
01:35He's going on five-plus.
01:37You don't read into his annoyance at all today as frustration with Gonzalez.
01:40You still don't?
01:41See, I don't think he...
01:43How do you know exactly how hurt the guy is?
01:45Well, we don't know.
01:46But I would just go off the Jordan Schultz report.
01:48And you could be right.
01:48Maybe it's a bum report.
01:50Yeah.
01:50There was a lot of optimism around that report initially.
01:53Yeah.
01:53And I wonder if the team was optimistic about it.
01:56They're like, yeah, it's a grade one hamstring issue.
01:58He's going to be back.
01:58No problem for week one.
02:00Yeah.
02:00And they're still waiting for him to be back out there because they don't think it's
02:03that big of a deal.
02:04Yeah.
02:04I mean, it's possible.
02:05I leave the door open to that.
02:07Or it's just, hey, this team isn't that good.
02:10My best player is out.
02:11And even if he has a good reason to be out, this stinks.
02:15Like, we talked about the roster cut down day.
02:18It was as depressed as Vrabel has sounded all camp long.
02:22And you're like, we didn't know.
02:23Is he just really looking at the 53 guys on the team now and being like, we are a far
02:27ways away.
02:28And now you take Gonzo out.
02:29So he's being asked about his best player being hurt.
02:31And he's just like, yeah, this isn't great.
02:33I'd also remember Vrabel brought up his contract before he was even hurt.
02:37Yeah, that is true.
02:37So that's looming over all of this too.
02:40And maybe informs my opinion on it.
02:42People are like, oh, Jones just says whatever.
02:44Here's whatever he wants to hear.
02:46Making crap up.
02:47I mean, maybe I wouldn't rule it out.
02:48I just, Vrabel's the one who brought up his contract before he even got hurt.
02:51Right.
02:51Which I thought was odd at the time.
02:52And I didn't make that one up.
02:53I heard that one.
02:54Oh, he did.
02:54And Vrabel did.
02:55No, that was strange.
02:55That was stranger than this.
02:57So hear what you want to hear with Vrabel.
02:59This is more of that exchange where he got progressively snippier and snippier again just moments
03:04ago in Foxborough.
03:05How much does a guy like him need to practice before you feel comfortable putting him in a game?
03:09It won't be today.
03:10So I apologize.
03:11But, you know, that's where it'll be.
03:15I mean, I do like where he's at from an engagement standpoint.
03:19We've been through this with other players.
03:21And I like where he's at from that standpoint.
03:26In the meetings, locked in, following along at practice, which is difficult, which is difficult
03:33to think that a player that's not in there can follow along.
03:37I've been through that as a player and a coach.
03:40And I think he's done a nice job of being able to do that.
03:44Okay.
03:44Time out.
03:45That jumped out to me the first time it jumped out again hearing it now.
03:48Oh.
03:49I like where he's at from an engagement standpoint.
03:52Yeah.
03:52He's locked in in the meetings.
03:55Right.
03:56So there's two ways to read that.
03:58One is, well, yeah, he's locked in the meetings.
04:00He's not out on the field.
04:01What could he possibly be doing out on the field?
04:03The other way to read it is, well, yeah, when he's in the meetings, he's pretty locked
04:06in.
04:07I wish he was that locked in when we were ready to go practice and everything else.
04:10Yeah.
04:10So I don't know.
04:11I found that to be an interesting answer from Brable.
04:13I thought the first part was a non-answer.
04:15The question was straight up, a guy like that, how much practice does he need?
04:19Because I think that's a fair question because you're thinking about, even if you're like
04:22wishful thinking week one, you're like, all right, if he's not practicing Wednesday,
04:26Thursday, do we all just assume that he's out?
04:28Or is this the type of guy who's only been in the league a couple of years, if he practices
04:32his Friday, and it's usually like a walkthrough.
04:34But if he's out there playing, then like, could he go?
04:37But he's like, he's not practicing today.
04:40And then he gets into like how engaged he's been in or out of the thing.
04:42So you're like, you didn't really even answer that question.
04:44Which just sort of leads to more and more follow-ups on Gonzo.
04:48You didn't even answer that one.
04:49And with him, it's a new scheme.
04:50So I think in years past, Gonzo's probably taken the best guy and following him around.
04:55Not that it's all man-to-man 100%, but is he going to have a side of the field?
04:58Is he going to have, like, I imagine, in other words, if you're trailing one receiver
05:02locked up one-on-one.
05:03There's not a ton of scheme there.
05:04Let's just get the guy.
05:06I think if you're healthy, you can just roll out there and play.
05:08Whereas if there's more scheme to it and fit with the defense, you might need more reps
05:12and practice.
05:13But that's just a guess.
05:14Let's hear more of that.
05:15Is it important for players to get to 100%?
05:18Is every player different?
05:19Because...
05:20Well, every player...
05:21I mean, we don't use percentages.
05:24But again, I'll remind you what we talked about as far as...
05:27Because when I try to make decisions about players and returning, one, can they make it worse?
05:36One, can they, two, protect themselves?
05:37We can all say what we want about this game.
05:40But, you know, I mean, it's violent.
05:43And can you protect yourself?
05:45And can you do your job up to the standard that we expect and that the player is used to?
05:52So those are the things that I've tried to use when making decisions.
05:57Maybe I'll add some to that.
05:58But that's what I've tried to use in my other experience in this position.
06:02Okay, that was mostly a non-answer, right?
06:04Yeah, but I think it's...
06:05You get a little...
06:07He didn't say percentages, which is fine.
06:09Because I think that can be kind of tricky.
06:10But, like, his point with Gonzalez specifically, we've mentioned it with all hamstring injuries.
06:14Like, can you re-injure it?
06:15So it's one of those things where the trainer and those guys are talking about that.
06:18And a soft tissue one, you're right, is definitely one you can re-injure.
06:20And it's a high rate of re-injury.
06:21And that's why it doesn't...
06:22Like, hey, let's rush him back for week one, which nobody is saying.
06:25Even Vrabel's not saying.
06:25We're not saying that.
06:26But if you rush him back for week one, oh, now he misses week two and three.
06:29Then the whole season's haywire.
06:31Just again, to be clear.
06:32Right.
06:32I would rather err on the side of caution, come back for the walkthrough on Friday,
06:36and then practice in full next week.
06:38To me, if they're erring on the side of caution this week against the Raiders,
06:41I genuinely don't think it's a big deal.
06:42It's Jacoby Myers.
06:44It's Amari Cooper.
06:45Their best weapon in the passing game is a tight end who he's probably not going to match up on.
06:48Although Geno carved this team up, was it last year?
06:50Good point.
06:51That was last year?
06:52Good point.
06:53Carved him up.
06:54I don't think it's a huge deal if he misses week one and they're erring on the side of caution.
06:58Right.
06:59But I don't want him to re-injure anything.
07:02But if he's cleared, he's, again, to use Curran's number yesterday, 85%,
07:05he should be out there week two against Miami.
07:08All right.
07:08Text line is saying, I didn't hear any snippiness from Vrabel.
07:10That's because it hasn't started yet in the replay.
07:13If you heard it live, he gets very snippy here.
07:15Reports, and I know that didn't come from you, but the initial reports...
07:18Yeah.
07:19I mean, please, guys.
07:19I mean, we have...
07:21This is the first Wednesday of the season, and he's not going to be at practice.
07:25And just please use your time as efficiently as we can about our team, about the Raiders.
07:32And I know Christian is a large part of our team, but he's not going to be out there today.
07:36So that's all I can update.
07:38Okay.
07:39Yeah.
07:40Use your time better.
07:41Why don't you use your time better?
07:42Why don't you use your time better, please?
07:43I mean, I think we've heard that in one or two Patriots Monday interviews over the years.
07:47Yeah.
07:47So then if you want to go full Bill Belichick playbook, don't you usually on Wednesday start
07:52out by doing like a three-minute filibuster on the Raider?
07:56You name every Raider on the other team, and then people are like, wait, what is going on here?
08:00I think he only named three.
08:02It was very un-Belichickian.
08:04I think he named Bowers, Gentty, and Geno.
08:05Three guys I know.
08:06I think that's all he did.
08:08Surface-level Raiders breakdown.
08:09So if you want to filibuster and take away what the media is going to do and not tell
08:13them how to do their job, which is what he's doing there, guys, use your time efficiently.
08:17But call me crazy, I think you filibuster at the start.
08:20That's how you would do it.
08:21But I'd rather hear about Christian Gonzalez and what's going on with him than I would the
08:25punter for the Raiders, which is what Bill would sort of inject that at times, you
08:30know, like they understand they only get like 10 minutes with Vrabel today or whatever.
08:34Yeah.
08:34At least he did answer three minutes of Christian Gonzalez questions before he shut it down.
08:38Before he started lecturing.
08:39Yeah, but it was a lecture.
08:41Like, just say, guys, I answered that.
08:43I gave you everything I have.
08:44And I guess that is similar.
08:46Hey, guys, it's the first Wednesday before the game.
08:47Yeah, we know.
08:48That is similar to what he did.
08:50It's just when you go to the extra layer and say, guys, please use your time efficiently.
08:54Yeah, come on, guys.
08:54Like, that just feels like a bit much.
08:56And that felt like he's agitated about it.
08:59Now, again, maybe Patricia, why don't you sit up in your seat a little bit?
09:01Have some respect.
09:02There is a little bit.
09:03A little bit.
09:04Not quite that extreme.
09:05Well, it's because we like.
09:06You could have gone full bill.
09:07It's like, I've already answered this five times, guys.
09:08Yeah.
09:09Guys, I told you everything I know about Gonzalez.
09:11You've got the injury report later today.
09:12You could have thought that.
09:12Do you guys have anything else?
09:13Now, look, I may have interpreted that similar as snippiness about, I think, Gonzalez and not
09:18the media.
09:19But look, maybe I'm reading too much into something and he's just annoyed at answering the same
09:22question 10 different ways, 10 different times.
09:25It's possible.
09:26But that's Mike Vrabel on Christian Gonzalez.
09:28Gonzalez, I would say that he seems annoyed to me.
09:31I'd imagine about Gonzalez.
09:33And I would definitely say wouldn't expect him out there week one.
09:36Yeah.
09:36Which seems to be where this is trending.
09:38And I think he was right.
09:39I think the door is open for an IR stint.
09:41The door is open for an IR stint.
09:43I don't think he shut that down.
09:44I don't think he did either.
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