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00:0095.7 The Game, breaking news.
00:06San Francisco Giants have released a medical update and it is not a good one.
00:13After meeting with Team Orthopedist, a recommendation has been put forward that Randy Rodriguez, Giants closer, undergo Tommy John surgery.
00:25A second opinion has agreed and Randy and the team will move forward accordingly.
00:32That is the report that has just come down from the San Francisco Giants.
00:36Let me say it another way, Giants just lost their closer for next year too, pretty much.
00:40Yep, at least an option at closer and I think Ryan Walker is pitching now like he could be that guy.
00:48But when you've got a young stud throwing 102 and you have another guy who could throw 100 and you trade him because you kind of were thinking maybe you were ready to give up on him
00:58and you're giving the keys to the car to Rodriguez and now he's out too, that's a tough one.
01:05Yep, this changes the course of how the Giants will build their bullpen going forward.
01:11Why don't we go ahead and push who are you here to 445 coming out of the next segment because this is interesting to me.
01:20This is obviously a move that's kind of blown up in their face.
01:24I'm not going to say that the Camilo Duvall trade, would you have done it if you had known this?
01:30Maybe not.
01:31Let's let you know.
01:32I don't know how many of you follow everything that's going around all of baseball.
01:35Camilo's been horrible since joining the Yankees.
01:38He already has about seven, right?
01:41Horrible.
01:42Like they are booing him in New York.
01:44Then again, who do they not boo?
01:46But you get my point.
01:48The Duvall thing has been really bad for the Yankees and so maybe you still would have done that anyway if you're the San Francisco Giants
01:56because they really do like, for instance, the catcher that they got in return.
02:00They're excited about him.
02:01But the other side to this is the Giants went from starting this year where it felt like they had two and a half closers.
02:10Walker was the closer.
02:11Duvall was trying to get himself back in shape.
02:14And then he became closer ready and Rodriguez was waiting in the wings, made the all-star team as a setup guy,
02:21but a guy who wasn't throwing on back-to-back days.
02:24Then they finally felt he's stretched out.
02:26He's ready to go.
02:27Let's move on from Duvall.
02:29Randy, you're the closer.
02:30It lasts a handful of weeks and now gone.
02:34Tommy John surgery.
02:36Sure, Walker is pitching a little bit better here of late, but do you want to go into next year with him as your closer?
02:42I cannot feel like they are all that comfortable on that.
02:46And so now all of a sudden you had what felt like an embarrassment of riches at the back end of your bullpen,
02:52and now you're on the search in the offseason for a closer.
02:57Again.
02:58Again.
02:58Again.
02:59You go from legitimately three possible closers and a very good right-handed setup guy in Tyler Rogers,
03:06and then Duvall gone, Rogers gone, Rodriguez hurt, and now you're down to just Ryan Walker going into next year.
03:14So, yeah, I don't know what the farm has as far as a hard-throwing closer type of guy,
03:21but if you need to go out and get a closer, those are not easy to usually acquire in the open market
03:26because teams that have closers, they like to keep them.
03:30And the closers that you can acquire, and I'm thinking about Mark Melanson a number of years ago,
03:35where you got Melanson and he was bad, and then he was really pretty good, and then he was gone.
03:42But it's really hard to go out there and just find a closer, and now they're going to be in that market.
03:47Yeah, and I actually hate the idea of going out on the market and signing a closer for big money and a lot of years.
03:54Because of this exact fact, these guys go down quickly.
04:00Like, there's just, they're throwing 100 miles an hour, and there's too many injuries, and it falls off a cliff.
04:08I hope they learn their lesson with Melanson and others.
04:12Like, that's something that I really love to see a team almost kind of treat closers the way you do see NFL teams treat running backs,
04:20which is bring them up through the system when they're young, cost-controlled, and cheap,
04:24and then when they're ready for a big free agent deal at age 30, see you later, let them go.
04:29I know that that's a little bit of a piece of meat idea, but that's kind of what works historically for the closer position,
04:36which is why the Giants looked like they were in such good shape, because they, all those guys,
04:42are under very cheap team control going forward.
04:46Doval as well, but they move on from him.
04:48Walker has a wonky year, and now Rodriguez is hurt.
04:52But I do not want to see the Giants go out and spend big on a closer this offseason at all.
04:59And just looking at the Randy Rodriguez season, I don't know how they could have seen this coming,
05:04because you mentioned back-to-back days.
05:07He pitched the 26th of July and the 27th of July.
05:10On that second game is when he gave up those two home runs to the Mets and you lost that game.
05:15Four days later, the trade deadline, Doval's gone, and you turn it over to Rodriguez,
05:20and he was okay, and then he ended up missing.
05:24He sat out for nine days, and then he pitched three more times,
05:28gave up hits in each and a couple of runs, and now he got hurt.
05:31So, unless there was some elbow thing happening before you traded Doval,
05:37this to me is just, as Boach would call it, buzzard's luck.
05:40Yeah, no doubt.
05:42I don't think there was any sign before, is what I'm saying.
05:44No, and I don't think that the Giants necessarily would have handled this any differently again.
05:50It's not like, as a Giants fan, you're feeling great if they kept Doval in this situation,
05:55because the bottom line is, is he kind of hit a wall again, and he wasn't pitching well,
06:00and he can't control his pitches.
06:02Like, some nights it's devastating.
06:04Other nights, it's all over the place and walking the first two guys every time out there.
06:09Too stressful, not what you want as your closer, but you also, obviously, you don't want this.
06:15You don't want to be back to square one, and maybe they're not.
06:18Maybe that's not a nice way to talk about Ryan Walker.
06:22He had some success with the position, but kind of lost that this year,
06:27and now it leaves you in this spot.
06:30But what the answer is, I don't know,
06:33because you want that person coming up through your system.
06:38You do not want to go out and spend big on a 30-year-old
06:42and do some sort of a multi-year deal at that position.
06:47For me, that would be a no.
06:49It would be a definite no,
06:50and you mentioned Dovall.
06:52His ERA is actually now down to 5.79.
06:55Okay, that's exciting.
06:56In nine innings, he's given up nine runs, six of them earned for the Yankees.
07:01Yeah, he's not been great.
07:03And I do wonder about that, though, Mark.
07:04If this Rodriguez injury would have happened on June 29th,
07:08I do think you would have had to change your tune about Camilo Dovall,
07:13even though you may want to move off in the offseason,
07:15or maybe you moved off of him anyway at the deadline,
07:18because Buster got to the deadline, Buster Posey,
07:21and they were in sell mode anyway.
07:24And you were selling relievers thinking that you had Randy Rodriguez.
07:28And you're thinking, okay, we got our rod,
07:30and he could be really, really good for us.
07:33So, yeah, we feel comfortable getting rid of Rodgers and Dovall
07:35and having Rodriguez be our guy in 2026, but not now.
07:39He's going to be gone for, you would assume, all of next year.
07:43Or at least most of it.
07:44You know what I mean?
07:45I mean, we sit here.
07:46I mean, that's one of those injuries that we tend to just assume is a year.
07:50And so by the time he's going to come back,
07:53I can't think that that's, you know, even the job that they would give him,
07:57even if he was going to come back for the last month or two of the season,
08:00that's not a job they're just going to hand over to him.
08:02The Giants do have some, you know, relievers that are in the top 15
08:07on their prospect list, but I don't know that anybody is,
08:12in fact, I'm pretty sure that nobody is major league ready
08:16coming out of that group.
08:18So this is a tough blow.
08:21This is another gut punch after a season that, quite frankly, was full of them.
08:27And for anybody who kind of is on the guru wagon
08:31of what he was talking about during the crossover,
08:35if you're in the I-haven't-given-up-yet crowd,
08:39I mean, this makes everything that much harder, right?
08:42I have no idea how the hell this team won five in a row.
08:46They don't have their starting pitchers.
08:48They don't have their relief pitchers.
08:50And they swept the Cubs and took two or three
08:52in almost all three in Milwaukee.
08:55But how is that going to sustain it?
08:58That feels silly, quite frankly,
09:01the idea that that would sustain the rest of the year.
09:03And what the hell would you do if you did get to the playoffs?
09:07I mean, my God.
09:08They just, you know, your pitching staff was so good
09:11at the start of the year, and now it's been decimated.
09:13And of these last five games,
09:15you've won it with the one thing we've kind of all been waiting for,
09:18which is some power bats and some timely hitting.
09:21They walked it off yesterday with a clutch hit from Jung-Hoo Lee.
09:25Bottom of the ninth, ducks on the pond,
09:28and a giant actually got a base hit.
09:30And it was Jung-Hoo Lee, got one into right field,
09:33and the run scored, and everybody tore at the poor young man's jersey.
09:36And it was a walk-off, and it was exciting.
09:38And that's, I think, partly why you were saying
09:40what you were saying yesterday about how much you hate this team,
09:43because they're doing the things now
09:45that we wanted them to be doing in June and July,
09:47but they weren't, and now you're doing it
09:49when you're six games out of the wild card with 28 to go?
09:53What's the point, guys?
09:55And Adamus was sort of insinuating after the game
09:58that it just, this group with all of the changes,
10:02you had some big-time free agents come in like him.
10:05You have Jung-Hoo Lee, who's still doing his first full season
10:08as a big leaguer.
10:09Then you trade for Devers.
10:11He sort of insinuated that maybe it just kind of took till now
10:14for everything to gel.
10:15And the thing that I think goes through most people's heads
10:18when someone says that is,
10:20do you really need to gel as a baseball team?
10:23It's not like one of you is running routes,
10:25and the other one needs to be in sync with you.
10:28When you're at the plate, you're at the plate.
10:30Do you need to be gelling with Rafi Devers
10:33for you to hit the ball real far?
10:34I get there's clubhouse chemistry.
10:37That I understand.
10:38Same thing for a pitcher.
10:39Is Logan Webb worried about what Jung-Hoo Lee
10:41is doing in center field when he throws a slider?
10:44Like, you just throw a good slider.
10:46But Elliot Ramos is worried about what Jung-Hoo Lee is doing,
10:49and Jung-Hoo is worried about Elliot Ramos.
10:51And so, defensively, I think that's where you've seen
10:54a lack of gelling.
10:56And also, there's the human part of it, Mark,
10:58where Rafi Devers comes to a new city,
11:01and Adamas comes to a new city.
11:03There's a certain amount of those adjustments
11:04that you can't just discount, in my opinion.
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