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Pompey talk returns with a transfer window special, at the climax to this summer’s activity. We have insight on Josh Murphy amid reports of interest from Leicester City, as well as the lowdown on incomings and outgoings before Monday’s 7pm deadline.
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00:00Hello and welcome to the latest episode of Pompey Talk, a very important Pompey Talk,
00:10joined by Jordan Cross in the absence of Neil Allen, who I've been sharing Pompey Talk with
00:15over the last couple of weeks. I've been joined by Jordy for this very special Pompey Talk,
00:18where we're going to be covering all things transfers today, Jordy.
00:22Anything to talk about Pepe? Anything we can pick up on today?
00:25It's one big talking point, Jordy. And that is, of course, the Josh Murphy story that emerged from
00:33reports elsewhere last night. Jordy, can you fill us in with the latest?
00:37It's quite naturally the big talking point as we sit here recording this on Friday morning. It's a
00:46good time to get the Pompey Talk in, actually, just to kind of keep people abreast of how things are
00:51from our end. So, obviously, the story came out late this evening, late last night, sorry,
01:01just not from the Portsmouth news. And we have since made inroads to all the usual suspects,
01:10some quiet from Pompey at the moment. It is, say, we're recording at a quarter to 11.
01:17It's not unusual, I would say, to, you know, no need for panic stations on that quiet because,
01:23believe it or not, you know, the key players at Pompey have one or two things to prepare for,
01:27maybe a game against Preston this weekend, and also one or two deals in the pipeline.
01:34So, and we've spoken to all the, made contact with the comms people and nothing on that at the moment.
01:40But again, as I say, nothing to be unduly worried about. So, I guess what you can do is look at it in
01:46the round, the whole Josh Murphy situation. Now, would it be a surprise that there was interest in
01:53Josh Murphy? Of course not. He's Pompey's best player. He has outstanding goal contributions last
01:59season. And he is clearly a player that's more than adept and can thrive at the level. So,
02:06would there be suitors for Josh Murphy? Quite right that there would be. Now,
02:14and I think Pompey fans, I haven't looked in great detail, you know, there would be a kind of a little
02:18bit of an unsettled sort of reaction, I'm sure, to it. But it's also quite probably just the bits and
02:23pieces. I've seen quite a reasoned response to it in that, okay, yeah, they will, you know,
02:30great, have interest in Josh Murphy. It's quite another thing to see Pompey part company with
02:35their prized asset, two or three days before the close of the window. He's their main player. And
02:43what you have to look at is, and I often refer to this, if you want to look at behaviour that's going
02:47to happen in the future, your first point of call would be to look at past behaviour, whether that's sort
02:53of in any sort of role and it's relevant to sports journalism. And Pompey in the past have repeatedly
03:00said when it comes to their prized assets that there's under absolutely no pressure to sell.
03:05It's been seen with Colby Bishop in the past couple of years. We've seen the likes of Blackburn,
03:11Burnham Ipswich, maybe in the last couple of years, among those that have been linked with Colby Bishop,
03:15and it's always come back to the same thing. And in our dealings with John Messino and the people at the club,
03:20why would we sell our, you know, why would we sell? It would have to be something special to, you know,
03:25because he's so important. He, you know, is so key. And the Canon Lang talk, it came back to the same
03:32thing this summer, the unsubstantiated talk I hasten to add. But again, when we got around to,
03:39you know, the reaction to it, it's the same thing. Why would we be under no pressure to sell
03:45our key assets? And that's where it is with Josh Murphy. They'd be under absolute no pressure to sell.
03:49He's their best player. And it would take something outrageous for Pompey, I'm sure,
03:54to consider doing that when it rips up their whole plans and squad plans a couple of days before the
03:59close of the window. So that's where it is. I'm sure it's a story that we'll move on. If we don't
04:06hear any developments today, our next certain point where we will get one will be the game against
04:10Preston tomorrow. We'll have access to John Messino then. He's been excellent and honest,
04:14and that would be the one certainty that the story will develop there, if not before.
04:21It doesn't feel like there's a game tomorrow. There's so much transfer talk going about over
04:26the next couple of days, you kind of forget that there's a game tomorrow. But sticking on Josh Murphy,
04:33Preston themselves earlier this week, our sister paper, the Lancashire Evening Post, they were
04:38talking about Militant Ausmagic, who is in demand. He's a wanted figure with a number of European
04:45clubs. Now, given the timing of the interest, reports have said that they've put a 15 million
04:53price tag on him purely because he's their star man. They don't want to lose him. And it's the timing
04:59of it as well. Pompey will probably do similar. They'd probably, they put an increased price tag
05:05on him, inflated price tag, purely because of the timing of it. There will be a tipping point,
05:12naturally, because every player has a price. Now, Pompey would have to bounce that up against the
05:17facts that, you know, everything that they're working around, he is fundamental to their whole
05:22game idea. I mean, any Pompey fan will tell you that. John Massino will tell you that. Anyone with
05:29a clue about Pompey will show you how important it is. So to sacrifice that at such a late stage
05:35means it would have to take a huge, huge figure. Josh Murphy, what, he's 30 now? Yeah. So, I mean,
05:42whether a club, Leicester or otherwise, would be prepared to pay the kind of numbers that it would
05:49be for not someone that necessarily is going to increase in value as he gets into his 30s.
05:55That's always been a debate. And we've, we've had this with debate with Pompey people, shall I say,
06:00in, in, in, in the last, in, you know, in recent months. And when you talk about Pompey assets and
06:05Josh Murphy, where would, it was always kind of a debate, where we, where would he go? Where would,
06:10where would be the club that would kind of be prepared to take, repay what it would take to get
06:14Josh Murphy out of the club when, when he's in that, in that set of circumstances, whereas,
06:20where he's, and also he's got Pompey in a very strong position. He, he's on a three-year deal
06:25with a 12-month option. So it's still effectively 12 months on a three-year deal. He's one and truly
06:31protected. So I think if you throw that into the mix, that all those circumstances, if he was a kind
06:37of 22, 23, 24-year-old player, and someone was to come in with a 10, 15 million, you talk about
06:44what's magic there, that kind of money. But I don't know, I can't necessarily see a club
06:49being willing to pay what it would take Pompey to consider it when they're under no pressure.
06:53And it, you know, it would take an outrageous figure. I don't see that all the line lining
06:59and just Pompey in a situation where, where they're under no pressure. And it's so important. So
07:04that's how it is. You never know any situations, but you just got to be kind of way up all those
07:10factors and that, and that's the kind of how I see things standing. And as I say, information
07:15coming out all the time at this time of year. So every time we get developments, confirmation,
07:21otherwise, you know, we'll be across it and letting people know.
07:24I think you've also got to factor in the, the players point of view as well, because we did an
07:30interview at the end of last season, where Neil Allen spoke about, spoke to Josh Murphy. And Josh
07:36Murphy was very open and honest. And he was, he said it was probably his best football he's played
07:41in quite a long time, last season at Pompey, and that he was happy and he was settled.
07:47So you've also got to, got to factor in that, that, that point as well.
07:50Pepe, for a young lad, you have wisdom beyond your years, because
07:55I've been working with you, Geordie, for the last three years.
07:58No, you'd have been dumbing down if you'd been spending too much time with me.
08:02But it's bang on, isn't it? He's with, with Josh, he is certainly a big fish in the Pompey Pond.
08:11That's for sure. He's been, he's had a career, a tumultuous career. He's moved around and
08:18it was a big sell team coming in. He's going to be the man at Pompey.
08:21He's going to be loved. Messina understands him. He's come down. He's, well, his own admission,
08:28not always knuckled down his career, but he has done in the last couple of few years.
08:33He's, he's here with his partner. He's got his young child and I bumped into him in the summer.
08:37I was just taking the kids out and he was kind of wheeling his, his, his nipper along
08:42South Parade Pier, along the promenade and just walking along and just loving life. And, you know,
08:48he's got that here and he genuinely is in the area and he, and he loves it. So yes, he's an ambitious
08:55player. You know, and if there are opportunities, you know, for these players to progress their careers,
09:01but it's where, where does that fit in and where, where does it fit in with, with Josh Murphy? So
09:06it's a really important point there that he, he loved and fought and thriving at Pompey.
09:10Um, you know, you, as I say, a factor all up in the round and I just see it taking a great deal
09:20personally, you know, for him in terms of his own, you know, he's going to be
09:24earnings wise, have to be many, many times what he's earning at Pompey. And for Pompey,
09:29it was going to have to take a huge amount. So yeah, it's a good point and it's well worth picking
09:33up on the fact that he's very happy at Pompey. Yeah. I think it just, just the timing of it,
09:37it doesn't, it doesn't really make sense. I think Pompey fans could be,
09:42they'd be okay knowing that there's interest in Josh Murphy. It was earlier in the summer. I think
09:47a lot of fans would have, would have understood that because of 21 goal contributions in his
09:52first season at Pompey last year and the way he played in the championship. But I think just
09:56the timing of it now, I think a lot of people wouldn't understand it if Pompey were to give the
10:01green light, which I'm not saying they are, but I don't think it would go down very well if he,
10:05if Pompey were to say, look, we've accepted a bid and we've let Josh Murphy go.
10:10Yeah. It's hyperfeticals, isn't it? If he was to go at this point, there would be,
10:15you know, anarchy amongst the fans. Probably not even, you know, that's probably not even hyperbole.
10:22But that, as I say, is a hyperfetical situation. I think you can't, you know, the place where the
10:29reports come, I would knock the report because I don't, you know, there could well be interest and
10:35quite possibly is interest. And it wouldn't be a surprise, as I say, if that's the case. But
10:39it isn't, you know, just underline, it's not us, the news that have reported it. So we will,
10:43as we always do, we've reported as a transfer gossip and then we follow up with our own information as and
10:49when, and we're, you know, we are asking those questions. And, you know, if you do get anyone
10:53today and I understand it, there'd be any story we put out today will be what's going on with Josh
10:57Murphy. I mean, as much as we have got those relationships, we haven't necessarily got a
11:02hotline to these people, especially at this time of year. But we are, believe you me, we're pushing
11:09on those things. And as and when there are developments, I'm not quite sure that answers your
11:13question. But yeah, that's, that's how it is. Moving on then, away from Josh Murphy, then George,
11:20there's obviously still plenty of incomings to do for Pompey, plenty of business still to be done.
11:26You were at John Messino's press conference on Wednesday. What was the latest on any transfer
11:32dealings? I'll go back to that in a minute, because I think there's some really interesting
11:37things to pick up on, particularly on John Messino's press conference and his quotes. But
11:42we just talked firstly about the kind of the, the, the names of the situation. So I just had a week
11:47off. I'm going to come back this week. Before that, the two names I put out were Josh Knight and
11:52Mackenzie Kirk, the young striker at St. Johnson. Obviously, Josh Knight through the door now.
11:58Mackenzie Kirk, as I understand it, is someone that Pompey is still very much interested in
12:02as a young striker, versatile young striker. I think he could play across the three, but I think
12:09it's very much considered a young option, which is causing consternation in a way, which I kind of
12:16get, but I think you've got to be realistic about where Pompey stand in terms of the striking
12:19department. Messino, very clear, there's no point in investing a huge amount of transfer budget
12:25in something. I think Waddingham would be viewed now as the backup number two to Colby Bishop,
12:30with a young lad like Kirk coming in as a up and coming option, probably even underneath Waddingham
12:35at the moment. And so make of that what you will. And I'm sure a lot of people will,
12:40because I know a lot of people want someone more experienced. I think there's a lot of pressure,
12:43but I just, I understand that situation for Pompey where they're working with, in relative terms,
12:47a tighter budget, then virtually all their peers in the, in the championships. There's that one.
12:53And then Franco Uwe, who's one who came up even on my week off. I was getting messages
12:59about that one. Neil Allen confirming the interest last weekend off the back of West Brom,
13:06I believe, and something that's still firmly on Pompey's radar. So yeah, then that kind of,
13:12then that leads into where do Pompey stand? And something that probably caused a bit of talking
13:18this week about the whole, and it's a fair talking point about the transfer spending this summer,
13:24and where are Pompey? Because there's been a lot of talk from John that wouldn't ask and answer our
13:31questions about where we stand. And it goes back to March when there was 1.27 million spent on Hayden
13:37Matthews. And John said, you know, we, we can kick on from here. Has that happened this summer? Not
13:43really. I don't think so. Um, so if you look at the dealings, you've probably got four fees of the seven
13:50signings. So, uh, Swift would be a freebie. There's the loans, isn't there, of, uh, Bianchini and Minchuk.
13:57Um, then you'd look at probably Kosnovsky LaRue and Knight, all in the one million pound
14:04area, uh, with a small fee for second. So I think it's out of contract and they were in training
14:08compensation around that one. It was like a nominal fee or something. The nominal fee, one of the
14:13Australian agreements, they probably did pay a fee, uh, a small amount of money for,
14:17for segregated. So no, it hasn't, it hasn't quite kicked on, but, and again, that cause of
14:22consternation for someone, I understand it, but, um, that's means that kind of John's quotes have
14:27been picked up on and chewed over, but it's quite interesting. I'll read you some of the quotes,
14:31which, and the first quote is the one that will, will grind people's gears. As a football club,
14:35we're not looking to spend a huge amount of money before the window, because we've done that with
14:38a few signs we've made this summer. Oh, but if the opportunity presents itself, you know what the
14:43policy is and we will flag that to the board. We'll see what takes us, but what we don't want to do is
14:48spend the money wisely and not waste it. Uh, so that's probably the, we probably haven't spent,
14:53this is honest from John, we haven't spent beyond the levels of the Matthews deal. And that is one again,
14:57where we've seen however times our budget's gone up, which has been a significant job,
15:01but it's probably not been the window. If you're looking for us to push to two and a half to three
15:05million, but certainly as a progress, as we progress as a club, these are signs we'll look to make. So
15:10I think what we won't see potentially is, you know, the three million pounds, two and a half million
15:16pounds, which signings, will we see Pompey spend? Yeah. I think we will see them spend before the
15:21close of the window and potentially more, you know, somewhere between the Matthews money and upwards,
15:28but certainly not into that region of what he's talking about there. So that will grow and annoy people
15:33and I can understand why, but I think what John's trying to get across there is the fact that Pompey
15:40aren't just going to go out and spend the money to spend the money. Um, it'd be when the opportunity
15:44presents itself. And I think when they do and I think it's value, they make a case to the board.
15:49And I always go back to, um, my early days at the, at the news and being before that as a fan,
15:55when, um, into the Milan Mandrake era and Pompey were desperate to spend one million pounds.
15:59The land was just so desperate to do it. And I just to say, we've hit that benchmark and it did
16:05with Rory Allen in the end, which like it just blew up, unfortunately through injuries to that.
16:10And then when I got Lee Mills, another striker, cause you know, they're going to spend one
16:14Norfolk, I think it's like 1.2 of bits and pieces. That one was a complete dud as well. And so much
16:19money got wasted. I think Pompey know if they spend that money now, they've got to get it right.
16:27You've got to get it right. There's no, that's by Pompey's terms. And it's not, and the thing is,
16:32it's not to others at the level. You won't, you will see teams go out and spend two and a half,
16:36three million pound now, and it's not a thing to them. So you can talk about the sort of, um,
16:42the arguments around that and why others are doing it and not Pompey, but we know the situation.
16:47But I can see why, and this is the context to it, when you've seen the championship spending this
16:54summer than why it would be a frustration for supporters. Now I'm not talking about
16:57Wrexham. I'm not talking about Birmingham. I'm not talking about the teams coming down.
17:02We expected them to spend big money, didn't we? We expected the Wrexhams and the Burmans to go out
17:06there and the teams in receipt of parachute. But you're seeing teams like Charlton,
17:11you're seeing teams like Chance spend probably 10 million pound on fees. You're seeing Derby go out
17:18and spend seven million plus on one player. Yeah. You're seeing QPR spend seven, eight,
17:22nine million. And there's teams there now, which are surprising. Even John Messina,
17:27I think was surprised to speak by the level. So that's probably what the kind of the environment
17:31around it and where do, and where does that place Pompey in the hierarchy? We know they're going to be
17:35right near the bottom. And then that's where they are, right at the bottom in terms of the spending
17:40and overall budget. So, but we're well versed in that. So, um, yeah, that's, that's kind of get the
17:46environment. But what I would say is just on the other story that I did on, on, off the back of
17:52the press conference was, it was an intriguing quotes about Matt Ritchie. Um, he says, John said
17:57about Matt Ritchie going, we actually need to try and improve everywhere. We want to do that this
18:02summer when we have pleasure of performed as well as Matt did. It's a real challenge to try and make
18:06sure we get better or certainly differently corrected himself. I think just out of respect to,
18:10to, uh, to, to Matt. He said, that's maybe a better way to put it. Um, it's certainly a tough one.
18:15We haven't quite managed to do that yet. And that's the key. So we haven't quite managed to
18:18replace Matt Ritchie yet, and we're still working hard to do that. You're getting quite some sort
18:23of like inconsistent comments from John. And it's, he's got to try and ride the balance out between
18:29kind of giving what he can to the press, but there's some clues there that as much as he's
18:32saying that he might not necessarily spend the two or three minutes. I think there might be some,
18:36like, you know, they also haven't replaced Matt Ritchie and they need to. So does a loan from
18:41Crystal Palace do that? Is a young striker going to do that? No. So where do you end up?
18:45You probably end up somewhere in the middle where probably might go out and surprise somewhere,
18:48but they have to do that, of course, within the constraints of the 25 man squad,
18:52which I think they've got two spaces left at the minute. So there might be some juggling there and
18:56that's all, all into the mix, but, um, I could probably fill up a whole other Pompey talk with
19:01this one answer. I think I've had a good go at doing that. I've just had to sit here. I've just
19:05asked one question. I'm, uh, you keep talking, mate. I'll pause, I'll pause for breath there,
19:09mate. There you go. I think that's, as a fan myself and I know a lot of fans on social media
19:15are also saying, well, it's not really, I wouldn't say exciting, but bringing in a 21 year old striker
19:24and then a 20 year old winger on top of Minhuk Yang, who's coming at 19. We've seen one League Cup
19:31appearance from him and then one 20 minute cameo off the bench from him. And then on top of Florian
19:36Biancini, who again is 24, um, he's had one year in the championship. A lot of Pompey fans were
19:44thinking, right, the right winger is where we need to improve, but we need to strengthen. They've had
19:48almost all summer to find a Matt Ritchie replacement. And like you said, Franco Uma,
19:54he's only 20 years old and he's very different to Matt Ritchie, not just age, but there's so much
20:02different things there. And you then look at the right wing and you've got Minhuk Yang and Franco
20:07Uma, who are 19 and 20 respectively. What's your thoughts on that? And can you, do you think
20:15the fans are right to, to, to, I wouldn't say question it, but have an opinion on it?
20:20I mean, fans are well within their right to have any opinions they want. They're outrageous. That's a lot
20:26of the football fans while we, while we have these debates. Um, is it a reasonable opinion for my,
20:32my money? Yes, it is because Pompey haven't quite hit, hit the levels, but then I, that's what I'll
20:38go back to. That's why I was reading those quotes out because you have to kind of read between the
20:41lines on those and see the sort of the difference, uh, angles that are coming out there. So I think
20:47we're one, one in one set of quotes and these quotes come from the same press conference, by the way.
20:52Um, you're seeing John sort of ride the balance for saying, okay, I asked the question, have you
20:56really, I asked the question in March about kicking on from Hayden Matthews. And John said that even
21:02after the Peck Swole game, he said there's money still available to spend in those. And we've got
21:06a price in mind, he said. So I think he's, he's aware of that. And he's also aware they haven't
21:10quite hit lights and they're not to go out and spend the money for it, uh, just for the sake of it.
21:14And will they get to two and a half, three million now? Probably not. Maybe it might be for the next
21:19window. But I think there's a, there's a, there's a medium in there somewhere that, you know,
21:23there's somewhere in a middle ground where you say, okay, well, Frank Aruma, he's not replacing
21:29Matt Ritchie. John, John has acknowledged that they're still trying to replace and they haven't
21:32done so. So you kind of draw, you can draw your own conclusions from there. You have to kind of
21:36see, see things in the round. So that's, that's how I see it. As I say, it's worth underlining the,
21:42the, the, the, um, 25 man squad situation, because you have to say there's two spaces left, then
21:49you know, you've got three signings potentially, or you've got the two that I've spoken about that
21:54being linked. Armando Dobre, by the way, nothing in that one. Um, but if they were to get the,
21:59this young palace lad, and then who doesn't, by our reckoning, replace Matt Ritchie, then you need
22:05a fair one then to do so, then you'd have to create space. So where does that, that's a whole other
22:09argument, isn't it? About where, where you find that, that extra player. So yeah, that's,
22:15that's what I'm just hating to, you know, when, when, when highlighting those comments and how
22:19things stand, I think there's probably, there's, there's room for twists and turns yet in this
22:24transfer window. And, and by the way, I, I, I wrote the premium newsletter on this. I just think
22:30the end of the window always, it's got heightened importance to fans, isn't it? You can have the best
22:35window. And then if you have a blank on the final day, you come away feeling
22:39disappointed and, um, and it always, it always frames it, um, you know, have the best window,
22:47great signs. But I just think at the moment, when you look at Pompey's overall business,
22:51it's fair to say what happens between now and the close of the window does frame what happens
22:55for Pompey and how their windows seem because of the reasons I've just explained the whole
22:59winger situation. So if it was to be a young loanee and an up and coming striker who Peterborough
23:05had half a million turned down for, so it's going to cost a, a decent amount of a, a premium for a
23:11young player that, that aids to get, get through the door, then yeah, it does frame it. That would
23:17probably be seen as a disappointment. So I do think that the next few days will, with some justification,
23:25provide a real context to how Pompey's overall window is seen. And ultimately, by the way, the
23:30ultimate proof will be in the pudding, won't it? What happens afterwards and how these players perform?
23:35Oh, I think a lot of Pompey fans want to know, um, and I'm going to put you on the spot here,
23:39George. You've kind of mentioned it, but how many signings do you think Pompey could make between now,
23:44recording this at 11 o'clock on Friday morning, and then 7pm on Monday? How many, how many signings
23:50you think could arrive before then? Thanks, mate. Thanks for that, Pep. Um, the, I think the players
23:58go out. I mean, if you look at 25-man squad, don't count McIntyre. Matt Ritchie's gone now. So, and who's
24:06the other one? Oh, Abdu, isn't it? Um, Abdu. Those lads won't be on the squad. If they don't get sold,
24:11they won't be in the 25-man squad. So, um, can I say two and a half? I think, look, I'm going to say,
24:19I will say, there's probably a variable between two and three, and I hope it will be free,
24:24and I could see it being, potentially being free. I was going to wrap it up. This is poor journalism
24:29interviewing techniques from me. You also just mentioned Abdoulaye Kamara and Tom McIntyre,
24:34uh, and I kind of want to ask you about them. Last year, we saw Ben Stevenson and Tom Lowry,
24:40not registered in the squads, but they remained at Pompey. Um, and then you also had Gavin White,
24:46whose deal was, was simply cut short, um, terminated by the club. Do you think Pompey
24:52would explore that avenue if Tom McIntyre and Abdoulaye Kamara don't get sold before then?
24:56Could we see them, their deals ripped up?
24:59Well, I thought it was, um, with the Gavin White situation was almost a bit of a surprise because
25:05of the length of the deal, but they found a compromise there. Um, so I think one way or
25:11the other, yeah, I mean, it won't be a problem in terms of the 25-man squad for Pompey because the
25:16ultimate thing will be deregistering the players. Um, I can see there's some French second league
25:23interest in Kamara and some bits and pieces is how John described Tom McIntyre. Um, yeah, I,
25:31I, I see a situation where potentially where they can find a compromise. Tom, Tom's a reasonable guy.
25:35Obviously a longer deal though, it's still quite a lengthy deal, wasn't it? I think,
25:38was it three or four years for Abdoulaye? So it's a long way to run on that deal yet. Um,
25:43so maybe that might be a bit more complex, but, um, yeah, I don't think it would be,
25:48given how Pompey, what Pompey have done in the past with Gavin White, um, to see a compromise on,
25:54on that deal. And obviously that was, that compromise was important to Matt Ritchie
25:58going to Redmond as well. Obviously Pompey weren't looking for a fee for him, but by the same token,
26:02they weren't going to pay up the rest of his contract. So maybe some situations, similar
26:06situations with those lads and they can hopefully get themselves found, uh, find a club. If not,
26:12then that would be the, you know, the next thing to find a compromise, um, or ultimately
26:18de-registering it won't compromise Pompey's, Pompey's work. That's for sure.
26:22Thanks Jordy for joining me on this bumper Pompey talk. Pompey are back in action on Saturday. And
26:27then of course the end of the transfer window is upon us where you can find all the latest
26:32transfer business and gossip and anything you want on portsmouth.co.uk and we'll, I think we've
26:38got a live blog going on Monday, I'm, I'm guessing. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You'll be all over it,
26:43Pepe won't you? You'll be all over that one. Um, thanks for joining us and we'll see you in the next
26:48video.
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