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00:00Hello everyone, I'm François Picard.
00:12It's a veteran politician's roll of the dice,
00:16putting his minority government to the test of a confidence vote.
00:19Centrist Prime Minister François Bayrou recalling France's parliament early on September 8th,
00:26ahead of an almighty budget battle. Unions had called for massive strikes two days later on the 10th,
00:33this against a spending plan that for now includes a major slash in benefits
00:37and the elimination of two national holidays.
00:46Our country is in danger because we are on the edge of over-indebtedness.
00:51Over the past two decades, despite the succession of several governments of different political leanings,
00:56our national debt has increased by two trillion euros.
01:06France cannot ignore this danger. It cannot stand idly by.
01:10It is heading for disaster if it does not take the courageous but still possible and bearable decisions
01:15that are necessary and that we are debating.
01:18The far left and the far right quick to state that they will vote to bring that minority government down.
01:31For more, let's cross to France 24's Catherine Norris-Trent.
01:36All that's left to know is whether the socialists will push the vote of no confidence
01:42above the magic number in the French parliament, 289.
01:48That's right. We've been trying to do some quick parliamentary maths here in France.
01:53And the situation is so divided in French politics that no party or bloc of parties has an overall majority.
02:01So it's a real headache has been for Emmanuel Macron, his prime minister,
02:04to try and get a government in place and getting any kind of legislation passed is a huge headache,
02:11as we're seeing now.
02:12So in terms of being able to win a confidence vote,
02:15it's going to come down to the line, it looks like.
02:18Marine Le Pen's party on the far right, the national rally,
02:22she's already said she is not voting for confidence.
02:26And their leader, Jordan Bardella, saying the same thing.
02:28They won't vote through this confidence vote.
02:32Then on the left, you've got the far left, La France Insoumise France unbowed.
02:36They've come out already and said they're not voting for it.
02:39It has the communists, the Greens.
02:40So we're down to a handful of MPs, really.
02:43The Socialist Party among them, who are now among the smaller parties in the French Parliament.
02:49And so how many will turn up?
02:51How many will abstain?
02:53It's going to be a pretty tight political battle, it seems.
02:56François Beirut has put his neck and that of his government on the line
03:00to try and get through the principle that France need to make sweeping budget cuts
03:06to the tune of 44 billion euros.
03:09It's not clear whether he can make that.
03:11If he doesn't, his government will resign.
03:14And then France, once again, will be in another round of political chaos.
03:19At 74, François Beirut has been a mainstay of French politics for decades.
03:24This hobby horse of fiscal responsibility, as he puts it,
03:30is something he's been talking about for a long time.
03:32Tell us about the mood when he, again, made this roll of the dice announcing this vote of confidence.
03:42Yeah, it was a pretty dramatic speech that he gave today, especially by his standards.
03:48He's usually quite an affable, seen as an affable politician.
03:51But he had a very grave tone and he spoke about the proportions of France's debt being a serious threat
03:59which weighs upon France.
04:01And talking again and again about French families,
04:04using that as a metaphor for how no one would let them get themselves so indebted.
04:09And at the end, wrapping up by saying we must think of France's children.
04:13We cannot leave them with a situation, with such a situation of crushing debt, hanging over them.
04:20So he was really trying to make the case, I think, appeal to French citizens,
04:24not just the political parties we've been talking about,
04:27but calling on French citizens to take their responsibility
04:29and see that the hour is grave, the hour is serious.
04:34He also, I think, was trying to get in before ahead of a movement,
04:39protest movements which were planned for the 10th of September.
04:43You know, there'd been calls for strikes to block the whole of France.
04:46Clearly, he wants to get in there first and he's throwing down the gauntlet in this gamble.
04:51Now we've just got to wait and see whether the French public have been listening
04:54and whether this will pay off.
04:56Catherine Norris-Trent reporting live there.
04:58For more, let's go to the village of Cotignac in southern France.
05:02It's Renaud Foucard, a senior lecturer in economics at the Lancaster University's management school.
05:09Thank you for being with us here on France 24.
05:12Hello, good evening.
05:14What was your reaction when you heard François Bayrou, again, as Catherine just said,
05:19trying to get ahead of the game by announcing this recall of parliament
05:24and this vote of confidence?
05:26This is his moment.
05:29Bayrou is the man of fighting the public debt in France.
05:33He's been talking about that forever.
05:35And this is the moment when he's pushing his agenda and he comes up by saying,
05:38I'm open.
05:39The only thing I want to do is those 44 billions of savings.
05:43Please make me suggestions.
05:45And his bet, originally, that has been successful since the beginning,
05:48is to say, I'm open to the far right and to the social democrats
05:52and I'm willing to make concessions so that nobody dares to vote against him
05:56because they hope to get something in exchange.
05:59This time, it seems, and I find it quite surprising,
06:02that Le Pen is willing to try to make him fall,
06:05meaning that it's now a one-to-one between Bayrou and the social democrats.
06:09And he has things to offer them.
06:10They have a good relationship.
06:12Bayrou called personally to vote for François Hollande
06:14when he was against Nicolas Sarkozy for the presidential election.
06:18And he has some very visible policy, like cancelling two days of holiday
06:23and replacing them by work.
06:25This is something you could easily give up
06:26and give an easy win to the social democrats.
06:29So there is a chance, but this really goes to the wire,
06:32including with some small centrist party
06:34when you have a lot of people who are joking for position
06:37for the next presidential election in two years' time.
06:40And those people are very, very careful about their moves now.
06:43I don't really understand what Le Pen is doing.
06:45I think the social democrats will be very, very tight in their negotiation.
06:49But if I had to put my money somewhere,
06:51I would say he has a good chance of going through.
06:53So if you're Marine Le Pen, you're looking ahead to 2027,
06:56which is the big prize, the French presidential election.
07:00And what better way to be unpopular than if there is a snap election
07:04and the national rally then has to govern,
07:07which is something they wouldn't have to do until then.
07:11Yes.
07:12And also they have the possibility that the way the French constitution works
07:15is that they don't have to vote for by rule.
07:18They just have to abstain and not show up and it goes through.
07:21And also we also know that Marine Le Pen, as from now,
07:23is not allowed to run at the next presidential election.
07:26So it would have been to be a Barbella prime minister.
07:30And you know that being a presidential candidate
07:32as the prime minister in France is generally a recipe for disaster.
07:36They don't manage to do that
07:37because you have to be in charge of all those unpopular things.
07:40So I think it's a bit crazy.
07:41So I think Le Pen somehow is betting that the social democrats
07:44will help by rule,
07:46in which case she can be part of the people who are anti-establishment.
07:50But there is a long queue now.
07:51Like there will be this demonstration on September the 10th.
07:55Everyone will be there.
07:56Like the Greens, the Communists, France and Baud, Le Pen,
08:00all those people together.
08:01So it will be kind of a yellow jacket situation
08:04in which I don't think you have so much to gain
08:06from being among the general opposition.
08:09And there is a very clear, sweet spot to take
08:11as the reasonable centre-left person
08:14who has been in responsibility,
08:16but who will still sing a different tune than Macron
08:18in the next presidential election.
08:20Now, there's 26 other members of the European Union.
08:23They're looking in.
08:24They see France's huge public deficit,
08:27which ballooned after COVID.
08:30What do you think that Brussels is going to make of it?
08:33What do you think the European Central Bank
08:34is going to make of it?
08:36Well, right now, I think Bayrou is, again,
08:39a relatively wise person in the sense
08:41that he's seen as trying to make an effort.
08:44There will be, I think, some kind of mild panic
08:46if it's not Bayrou.
08:48If it's someone, like, you know,
08:49there are a lot of people now in France
08:50who are in complete denial
08:52and say that there is nothing to do with the public finance.
08:55So they might be right in some point
08:56that Bayrou is taking a very grave tone of voice.
09:00And France, in terms of, like, you know,
09:02macroeconomic basics,
09:03they are a country that still sell
09:05a lot of things around the world.
09:06The basics are still OK.
09:08And France is not on the verge of collapse.
09:10But still, there is a big structural problem of debt.
09:13And if you replace Macron by Bayrou
09:15by someone who is not willing to make,
09:18to acknowledge the problem,
09:19you might start to have a panic.
09:21And clearly, not only the European Union,
09:23but financial markets, bonds.
09:24This is, if the cost of the debt starts to explode
09:27because nobody wants to buy French debt,
09:30Le Pen, Bardella, whoever is in charge,
09:32will be in double level of trouble
09:33as compared to Bayrou.
09:35You mentioned earlier the yellow vests movement,
09:38which began as a protest against a carbon tax
09:41that was scrapped.
09:43And it came from rural areas,
09:45people who need their car to get to work.
09:48Among those who are striking are taxi drivers
09:51for this upcoming September 10th day.
09:54Is it really, is there really this chance
09:57that it could be some kind of a yellow vest movement?
10:00Or is it different this time?
10:02The big difference is that there is no easy thing
10:05to give for Bayrou.
10:07So Macron, and this is one of the reasons,
10:08by the way, where there is a structural problem now,
10:11is that the fact that Macron had to cut
10:13the taxation of carbon is one of the reasons
10:16behind the deficit.
10:17But here, what can Bayrou give
10:19to a totally heteroclique amount of demonstrators?
10:24What is the obvious thing to give?
10:25Maybe those two days again,
10:26but this is the same kind of thing
10:27he could bargain with the social democrats.
10:29The truth is that Bayrou is understanding
10:32the fact that the voters in France
10:34are largely older people.
10:36The main reason, besides the lack of carbon tax
10:38for the French deficit,
10:40is aging population and the level of pensions in France.
10:43He's not going to cut that.
10:44He doesn't want to lose the little support he has.
10:48And so there is nothing easy, obvious,
10:50to give to demonstrators.
10:51But people being angry is still something very dangerous.
10:54It's just not that clear to me who would benefit that.
10:57Maybe Le Pen, but maybe somebody else.
10:59Stay with us, Renoufouca,
11:00because you mentioned those two holiday days
11:04and you bill them as perhaps the low-hanging fruit
11:06in the negotiation.
11:08Brian Quinn has more on that.
11:09As the French public braces for a rocky fall political season,
11:16the prospect of losing two paid holidays
11:18appears to hold little appeal.
11:21On principle, it seems pretty unfair to me.
11:24These are days intended for rest and enjoyment,
11:27off of work.
11:28I understand the need to make cuts and find money,
11:32but there is absolutely no social justice in this plan.
11:36Recent polling shows 84% of French people
11:39are against the government's plan,
11:41even if they do accept the need
11:42to reduce the country's budget deficit.
11:45I don't like the idea of leaving a lot of public debt
11:48for my kids.
11:49We have two war remembrance days.
11:52Why not just get rid of one in May?
11:54That seems appropriate to me.
11:55France is far from the European champion
11:59of paid days off,
12:00that record held by Cyprus with 15 days a year.
12:04Spain and a handful of Balkan states have 14,
12:07with Portugal, Austria, Poland,
12:09and most of the Baltics close behind at 13.
12:12Under the new proposal,
12:13France's nine holidays would put it
12:15at the bottom of the list,
12:16tied with Germany, Denmark, and the Netherlands.
12:19France's small business lobby says
12:21that if the reform goes through,
12:23it must apply to everyone, even kids.
12:28Public services have to be open,
12:29particularly schools.
12:31If schools are closed,
12:33that's obviously a big problem.
12:36Our employees can't come to work
12:37because they have to watch their kids.
12:40The country's top seven labor federations,
12:43all of whom oppose the plan,
12:45are set to meet September 1st
12:46to plan their next steps.
12:48The government is hoping the move
12:49will bring 4.2 billion euros a year
12:52into its coffers starting in 2026.
12:55Economists, though, say a 2% wealth tax
12:58on the country's richest families,
13:00those with more than 100 million euros in net worth,
13:03would bring in 15 to 25 billion per year.
13:06Renaud Foucault, we heard in that report
13:09that woman talking about
13:12the need for social justice.
13:16What percentage of the French
13:17do you see agreeing with her?
13:20I think most people,
13:22the moment François Barreau started to talk about that,
13:25he said,
13:26the French don't work enough,
13:27we need two more days of work.
13:28Very few people, me the first,
13:30believed he was going to talk about unpaid days.
13:32So if the idea was to pay people
13:34and to grow the economy
13:35and to have taxes paid, yes.
13:37But no, I think everyone agrees with the lady
13:39that it's a bad idea
13:40to squeeze the working people even more.
13:43But the alternative
13:44is what led to the fall of Barnier's government.
13:46The alternative is to decrease
13:48the highest pension in France.
13:50Now, very, very high pension
13:51for some people receiving
13:523,000, 4,000 euros a month.
13:54This is something that is also a taboo.
13:57And a later age of pension
13:59has thrown thousands and thousands
14:00of people in the street.
14:01So people are very, very much willing
14:03to demonstrate against one specific cut.
14:06What Barreau is telling them is,
14:08OK, I'm open, help me pick something.
14:11And the something has to be somebody else
14:13than the working people.
14:14One final question for you.
14:16We saw François Barreau last year
14:19elbow Emmanuel Macron
14:21after the previous government fell
14:24under Michel Barnier saying,
14:26hey, give it to me or else.
14:28He's prime minister now.
14:29This position he'd been coveting for decades.
14:32How's he doing?
14:34I think given that his own objective,
14:37I assume, is to be the one
14:39who will save France from the debt,
14:41he's been extremely intelligent.
14:43So the big problem of Barnier
14:44is that he was only trying
14:46to get a deal with the far right.
14:47So he became a nostalgia of Le Pen.
14:50She played with him.
14:51And when she was tired,
14:52she just killed the government.
14:53Bayrou has been very clever,
14:55playing both sides.
14:56He's extremely unpopular.
14:57And I think he just wants to go to bed,
15:00go to history as someone
15:01who did something good for France.
15:03If he falls, of course,
15:04with this vote of no confidence,
15:06if France goes to chaos,
15:07then I will have to change my answer.
15:08If he actually managed to be the one
15:10who gives the key of France in 2027
15:13to someone who will have a lower deficit,
15:16then I think he will be very proud of himself,
15:18although he will definitely remain
15:20very, very unpopular.
15:22Ronald Foucault,
15:23so many thanks for joining us
15:24from southern France.
15:25Thank you so much.
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