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Delhi Chief Minister Rekha Gupta was attacked during a 'Jan Sunwai' programme at her camp office in Civil Lines on Wednesday morning. The accused, Sakriya Rajeshbhai Khimjibhai, a 41-year-old resident of Gujarat, was detained, and is being jointly interrogated by IB and Delhi Police's Special Cell.
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00:00Hi there, I'm Sonal Merotra Kapoor and this is 5 Live.
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00:17So stop scrolling around there and let's get started and tell you what's lined up on the programme today.
00:25First up, we've got the Delhi Chief Minister attacked and assaulted.
00:29Who are these people who keep attacking Chief Minister after one after the other?
00:35It was first Delhi Chief Minister Darvind Kejriwal and now the newest one.
00:40What's the reason behind these attacks and what is the security doing?
00:44We decode on the show.
00:48Violence all over, not just in the national capital but even in Ahmedabad where a stabbing horror has taken place.
00:55A 9th standard student has stabbed a senior in school.
01:01What was the reason?
01:02What are the parents asking for?
01:04We look at that.
01:08Also our health pick of the day.
01:10Adults are biting into baby habits, stress relief or regression.
01:15What are adult pacifiers all about?
01:18An explainer coming up.
01:20It's been a big promise by the government that from Noida to the airport you will manage in just 20 minutes.
01:30Is that really the case?
01:32We do a quick reality check.
01:34And then we leave you with this story.
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01:51Two shocking instances from two different corners of the country have dominated headlines today.
02:03While much of the national spotlight has been on Delhi Chief Minister being attacked by a 41-year-old man,
02:09on 5 Live Today we shift your attention to what happened in Ahmedabad
02:14where a horrific act of violence has unfolded inside a school.
02:18A massive protest erupted outside a private institution after a 15-year-old class 10 student was stabbed to death,
02:28allegedly by a student one year junior to him.
02:32The victim was rushed to the hospital but succumbed to his serious injuries late on Tuesday night.
02:38Violence by adults and now even by minors.
02:41It forces us to confront a deeply uncomfortable question.
02:46What kind of society are we becoming?
02:48Who is to blame?
02:49And more importantly, who has the answers?
02:53How do we bring about change?
02:55The next report takes you through all of that.
03:03Ahmedabad is angry, worried and in utter shock.
03:08What should have been a normal school day has turned into a nightmare no parent ever imagines.
03:19A 15-year-old class 10 boy lies dead.
03:22His killer, a class 9 junior.
03:26The school, Seventh Day Adventist in Khochra.
03:30Now the school is shut.
03:31There is public outrage and the city is asking, how did this happen?
03:37So what exactly happened?
03:38A week before, the first clash.
03:43The spark was small.
03:45The victim's cousin reportedly had a minor scuffle on the staircase with a class 9 student.
03:51Nothing violent.
03:52Just schoolyard pushing.
03:54But things did not end there.
03:55The victim steps in.
03:57The class 10 student, protective of his cousin, later confronted the younger boy.
04:02Not aggressively, according to classmates.
04:04He just asked the junior why he pushed his cousin.
04:08But the younger boy took offence.
04:10He did not forget.
04:11He allegedly held a grudge.
04:15August 19, The Attack
04:16It was a Monday morning.
04:19The class 9 student came to school armed with a knife.
04:23He waited near the school gate, then attacked the class 10 student without warning.
04:29Multiple stab wounds.
04:31Blood on the ground.
04:32Teachers rushed him to the hospital.
04:35He did not survive.
04:37Police detained the accused immediately.
04:40Since he is a minor, he has been charged under the Juvenile Justice Act.
04:45Initially booked for attempted murder, the charge will now be upgraded to murder.
04:50Police are recording statements from classmates, teachers and staff.
04:54The knife has been recovered.
04:57But the shock and anger has turned towards the school.
05:00Parents asking for accountability.
05:03What was the school doing?
05:07Why wasn't the initial conflict reported?
05:10Why were there no counselling or disciplinary actions?
05:13How did a student bring a weapon onto campus unnoticed?
05:17The district education officer has issued a show cause notice.
05:22CCTV footage is being collected.
05:25The school is temporarily shut.
05:27For many, this case feels eerily similar to the plot of the recent film Adolescence.
05:35A schoolyard dispute, escalating tension between teenagers and a final act of violence that changes their lives forever.
05:44But this isn't friction.
05:47This is real.
05:48A young boy is dead.
05:50Another may spend his youth in custody.
05:53And two families are shattered forever.
05:56But this incident also raises a much deeper, far more urgent question.
06:01What's driving this violent streak in our kids?
06:05Why are children resorting to knives, fists and threats to resolve simple disputes?
06:12What's fueling this kind of range?
06:14Is it the unfiltered aggression children consume on social media?
06:18The emotional disconnect in parenting?
06:21The lack of psychological support in our schools?
06:24Or is it simply a society that has stopped teaching our boys and girls how to handle anger, rage and violence?
06:33The jury is still out.
06:34But whatever the cause, this cannot be dismissed as yet another school incident.
06:40A life has been lost.
06:42Another will never be the same.
06:44And the country has been jolted awake.
06:47Sonal Merotra Kapoor for India Today.
06:49All right.
06:53So like you see in those visuals out there, a 9th standard student actually doing this to his senior.
06:58What led to it?
07:00And importantly, how do we tackle situations like these?
07:04Joining me next is our two people who understand kids and what's going on in their minds like no other.
07:10We welcome back Amit Sen, Director and Senior Consultant at Children First on the program today.
07:15Also with us is Harpreet Grover, Founder for Curious Parent.
07:18And thank you both for joining us.
07:21It's sad, Amit and Harpreet, that after having discussed with both of you,
07:27adolescents in detail and stuff that had inspired even the director of that Netflix series
07:33to make it out of events that unfolded in Australia, this is actually now happening in India.
07:39I want to first understand with you, Amit, why do you think at this moment nine standard kids are resorting to violence?
07:50Could this have been not talked about, not spoken with?
07:55Is it an individual kid issue or is this an institutional problem?
08:00So, Sonal, I was listening to you saying, talking about the various stakeholders in this horrific incident
08:13and how juvenile crime has actually shot up to the roof in our country, particularly in the last few years, perhaps post-COVID.
08:22Bullying, violence, aggression in schools is not new.
08:27It's always been there.
08:28But the kind of extreme violence that kids resort to these days is unprecedented.
08:34In fact, if you open the newspaper, every second day there is instances of juvenile crime of extreme kinds,
08:44rape, murder, you know, gang violence and whatnot, where many kids who are juveniles, who are below 18 years of age, participate now.
08:53And the question indeed is that who is responsible?
08:57So, it can't be one person.
08:59It can't be one thing.
09:00It can't be just social media.
09:01It can't be parents.
09:02It can't be just school.
09:03It has to be a collective effort of the whole community who should begin to understand by now that violence in kids and mental health and their mental health,
09:13they go hand in hand.
09:15And unless we make it a central part of our discourse, bring it to education, to parenting,
09:21as not something which is a one-off workshop, one counselor in a school, one parenting workshop that parents, you know, attend.
09:30It cannot be just that.
09:32It has to be a regular feature of our curriculum.
09:35It has to be something that gets embedded in the systems.
09:38So, it has to be all stakeholders, you know, coming forward and saying, we must do something about it.
09:44It's gone way too far to just dismiss it, like you said, like another incident.
09:48So, there can be systems which can be built and just like we, you know, equip our children and our teachers with skills of both imparting education and knowledge
09:59and also imbibing it in subjects like maths, English, now life skills even.
10:05What about violence?
10:06What about anger management?
10:07Do we make that a part of a curriculum in a regular way?
10:11Do parents get an understanding of what is happening in their children's lives outside the homes?
10:17Or even when they're in the homes, when they get connected to their friends, peer group and social media,
10:23the kind of TV shows they watch, the kind of groups they enter in that space is something that we have no...
10:29Dr. Sen, you say systems that are in place.
10:32But what about structures at home?
10:35What about what they're imbibing from home?
10:37Harpreet is also with us and I want to understand from him.
10:40When I see parents angry, understandably, parents breaking barricades, understandably, their anger, shock, all of that is understood.
10:51But I'm trying to figure out where are kids picking this up from?
10:55Is it, as a parent myself, I want to understand where are we getting it wrong?
11:01Because kids, as we all know, no matter what you teach them, no matter what you tell them,
11:07at the end of the day, they will do what they see you do.
11:10They absorb and they replicate what they see their environment do.
11:15So, Anil, what has happened is horrific.
11:21And if the question we ask is, and I want to say it in two parts,
11:24the question we ask is who is to blame, we'll never find the answer.
11:28Right?
11:28How can a school find a knife in a school bag?
11:32You know, do we want to put, you know, what do you call, check for them?
11:35Do we want to put something which will check every bag?
11:37I don't think that's a possible solution.
11:39You know, should a school start reporting every fight?
11:41I don't think so.
11:42Like, I have fought outside my school.
11:44Like, you know, three kids are beating each other.
11:46Nobody killed anybody else.
11:48But that has happened when I was in school.
11:51Can a school start reporting every fight?
11:54I don't think that is possible.
11:55So, I think we have to, like, shift the question from who is to blame to what could I have done?
12:03That is how I see it.
12:05That is how I see the solution.
12:06You know, did the parent know that my child, the younger child, did he really get upset sometimes?
12:13And they said, they didn't do anything about it?
12:15You know, did the teacher track the performance of that younger kid in class and saw it declining?
12:22Or saw him going into his shell?
12:24Or saw him getting angry and didn't report it?
12:26You know, what is that child's YouTube history?
12:28Does that child have a phone of his own?
12:30You know, what does he watch on Netflix?
12:33Is it Gangs of Wasapur?
12:34You know, what is he watching?
12:35All of these are questions that some, once you have children, it is a constant responsibility.
12:43And if you are a school and you have teachers, it's a constant responsibility there as well of the entire environment.
12:49So, I think we have to shift the question from who is to blame to what could I have done?
12:55Now, when we talk about policies, there's a big study that happened in U.S. where, because drug abuse was starting to increase in children, what they did, what they said, we will make children aware of the negatives of drug and why kids take this drug.
13:14So, in every school, they include a class on this drug thing.
13:19So, somebody will come and explain, this is this drug, this is this drug.
13:22Because of that, and this was a nationwide campaign, I'm forgetting the name of the campaign, it was a big campaign.
13:28Because of that campaign, drug use went up.
13:31Because children thought, oh, cool kids do this.
13:33Oh, they're telling us about it.
13:34So, you know, the answer of violence is not to study violence, the answer of violence is love.
13:40The answer of violence is connection with parents, the answer of violence is having enough time with the child and protecting them from agenda of the world.
13:50So, what are you saying, Harpreet, are you saying that these emotional classes that Dr. Sen sort of, you know, sort of touched upon,
13:57that there should be classes now where we are taught how to deal with our emotions.
14:01I was reading about this mirror corner that people should build at home for their kids,
14:06where you sit down, you identify your emotion, and then you talk about it.
14:10For kids to first know what they are feeling, it's not just angry and, you know, happy all the time.
14:15There's like seven different kind of emotions that a kid goes through.
14:19Is that what we need to do?
14:21Dr. Sen, are you suggesting that schools need to take up that mandate,
14:25while parents can or may not be in a position to handle this at home?
14:29So, to start with, you know, whether you call it blame or responsibility,
14:37it should not fall on only one kind of people's lap.
14:41It can't be just the parents who have to deal with it and rectify this, right?
14:45So, indeed, it has to be, I think, multiple stakeholders who definitely have contributions to make.
14:52And, yes, indeed, there needs to be an understanding of how, see, we call it emotional literacy.
15:00And emotional literacy has become more important than any other time.
15:04Because until the time, you don't understand your own motivations, your own anger, your own frustrations,
15:08and what you imbibe from the environment.
15:11Like, for instance, there could be things that are happening outside in the world,
15:15which is a different set of wars that have been fought,
15:18the kind of violence that you see on our streets,
15:21the kind of reportage you have on TV and on newspapers about everything that is happening around us.
15:27Children imbibe that.
15:28They learn from it.
15:29They think it's okay to do it because it's happening everywhere, right?
15:32It becomes school after beyond the point to be able to do that.
15:35How do you begin to question that?
15:37What kind of conversations do you have with children in different spaces?
15:40And do we really know that?
15:43How are you supposed to have this conversation?
15:45This is the first digital generation that we are all raising right now.
15:49We ourselves don't know how to tackle it ourselves as adults.
15:51How are we expected to sort of get some answers over here?
15:55As a parent, that's what I'm thinking.
15:56As a parent, what I'm also thinking, Harpreet, is that my anger towards the school is valid.
16:01When you can check kids' backpacks for if they're carrying their cell phones,
16:06if they're carrying any drugs, if they're carrying anything else,
16:09why not for sharper objects?
16:11If the situation is so violent, why not?
16:16I don't think the situation is so violent.
16:19I think this is an incident.
16:20But I don't think the situation is so violent.
16:24I'm saying it's like this.
16:26In US, they propose that because there are school shootings happening,
16:28hence every teacher will carry a gun to protect children.
16:33Is that a viable option?
16:34Is that the kind of school you want to send our children to?
16:36That the teacher also is a trained gunman?
16:39And they carry guns with them?
16:40And kids know their bags are being searched for knives and sharp objects every day?
16:45I'm just saying the more we stay on the negative,
16:49the more negative, the more we go in this direction.
16:53I am suggesting the opposite one, which is in sync with what you said.
16:57I want to take this example.
16:58I'm on the board of this social organization called Labhib,
17:03which also designed the happiness curriculum and runs it for the Delhi government.
17:07And they run this, so SEL classes, for example,
17:12and they do this in class where a child is taught to know his own emotions,
17:17to breathe, to be able to understand each other's perspective.
17:20A simple question like, if your friend took your rubber, how will you feel?
17:25Okay, now if you have taken his rubber, what would you expect him to do?
17:28And there's a beautiful story that they share where a child who used to demand everything from parents,
17:33I need a phone, I need a phone.
17:34After going, after introduction of this happiness curriculum in the classroom,
17:39this is a positive curriculum, you know, happiness curriculum is a positive curriculum.
17:43By introducing this, the child actually understood that my parents are,
17:48and the story was this, that the child, they made a fictional story,
17:52the child goes home, sees that my father's chest is broken,
17:56and then realizes I'm asking for too much where my parents don't have the means.
18:01And this went from a child asking everything to a child writing a note to the parent saying,
18:06you know, thank you for what you're doing for me.
18:08That is one kind of initiative that can happen in schools.
18:12But eventually, I genuinely believe a parent should ask themselves,
18:18do I know what is going in my child's mind?
18:21Do I have enough time for my child?
18:23In the world's world, there is so much time for your child's life.
18:27That is a question every parent should ask.
18:29If that is answered, honestly, we'll find the answer.
18:32Got it.
18:32Dr. Sen, I have last few minutes, and I want to give it to you.
18:35For every worried parent watching right now,
18:38who's saying that they're doing the best that they can,
18:41what is your advice to them?
18:43So, to start with, I think that I'm going to respond to what Harpreet said about,
18:47you know, it being, can we get that kind of vigilance in our schools like we did in America.
18:52Firstly, we must not make the mistake of saying that this doesn't happen so much in our country.
18:57It's out there in the West that this is happening.
18:59It is happening in our backyard.
19:00It is happening in our homes.
19:02It's out there for us all to see, right?
19:04And indeed, the parents' anxiety of what they can do beyond what they're already doing,
19:08with concern and with intention, is a big question.
19:11I think the best thing they can do is form a community with school,
19:15with, you know, the bus driver and the conductor,
19:19where the school, you know, child goes to school,
19:21with other parents who take their children to the playground to form a community
19:26and come together to address this together,
19:28where you feel strength in the togetherness and figure out solutions,
19:32not just among the adults, but also include some of the older young people, teenagers,
19:37to be stakeholders in it, to step up and say,
19:40how can we include them in the conversation where they will talk about their lives
19:44and they have often solutions which could be, you know,
19:47insightful and deeper than what we can figure out as adults.
19:50And we've seen that repeatedly in the work that we do with kids.
19:52They are very smart and they have many answers often.
19:56Right.
19:56That's all the time we have, gentlemen.
19:58But thank you both for joining us and adding your perspective.
20:01This is, like you said, this is not the norm,
20:04so let's not get hyped up about it.
20:05But this definitely is a reminder, perhaps, of a story
20:09that how much do we know what's happening inside our homes?
20:11How much do we know what's happening to the mental psyche of even our kids?
20:15It's important for that conversation to start.
20:18Solutions will follow.
20:29Alright, let's cut across to some breaking news coming in,
20:31where a debate is underway in Lok Sabha
20:33on the online gaming bill that was tabled and passed today.
20:37The Information Technology Minister Ashwini Vaishnav has said
20:40that many have died by suicide due to online gaming.
20:44It has become an addiction for many.
20:46He also added that 32 people have died by suicide in 31 months,
20:51linked to only online gaming.
20:5332 people in 31 months, that's a big number there
20:56that the minister is quoting in Parliament
20:58of people and kids who have died out of suicide
21:01because of these gaming apps.
21:03Now, many families are seriously impacted, he went on to say.
21:06And he also said that terror support, money laundering,
21:10is being done on these online gaming apps.
21:14Now, India's association with the online gaming apps, remember,
21:18has been very, very topsy-turvy.
21:21We had several apps, especially those coming from China,
21:25banned for a period of time.
21:26Then there are betting apps.
21:28The entire ecosystem has been under the scanner for a while now
21:31by the ministry and this time again the minister in Parliament
21:37while he was tabling the bill to actually ban them.
21:42All right, the news coming in that bill has now been passed in Parliament.
21:48So, based on all the information that the IT minister put out,
21:55they've managed to put the numbers together
21:57and now the bill on online gaming ban has been passed.
22:03Let's quickly listen in to what the minister had to say in Parliament.
22:06I rise to move that the promotion and regulation of online gaming bill
22:142025 be taken into consideration.
22:17Online gaming, which is a very important sector.
22:21In this sector, there are three segments.
22:24The first segment is the e-sports segment,
22:27which is the strategic thinking,
22:28which is able to coordinate in the team,
22:30and which is able to do cultural exchange.
22:33The second segment is the e-sports segment of online social games.
22:41We all have online social games,
22:44whether it's a solitaire, chess, or sudoku,
22:48all of these games are available to be played.
22:49It's all for learning, education, entertainment,
22:53and it's widely available to be played.
22:57It's widely available to be played.
22:59Online money games,
23:01which has become a big passion in the world.
23:04As you said in RMU,
23:06there are some families,
23:08some people who have been addicted to online money games,
23:12because of the addiction of online games,
23:14and the children of living in the world are being played in the game.
23:17Fraud and cheating,
23:19algorithms are such a way that you don't know who is playing with you.
23:23And the algorithms are opaque,
23:26which become a mistake.
23:28financial losses,
23:31financial losses,
23:33extreme cases,
23:35suicide,
23:36suicide,
23:37even in the case,
23:39Karnatak's report,
23:41Times of India,
23:4332 suicide,
23:4431 months,
23:45this time of India,
23:47and these are the big events.
23:48There is also a young person in the world,
23:50that these people have been
23:54established,
23:56and they've respected to be the only and the only event,
23:58and these people have informed their lives.
24:00This is important to be the most vulnerable.
24:01In fact,
24:02this has been said that they have beenф║Хifu.
24:03a terror support or I can see World Health Organization
24:07in the report may first time the association between online money games
24:13and compulsive behavior psychological behavior psychological distress
24:19financial hardship destruction of family life
24:22who don't know this call online gaming card disorder
24:27has one new goal. This means two steps to promote three segments
24:35from two segments. We want to promote the e-sports and social gaming
24:41to the online gaming. We will make authority to the game makers
24:47and we will give them a scheme. But when the society,
24:53Thank you very much.
25:23All right, moving on to some more news coming in.
25:31This is from Bihar Deputy Chief Minister and his big claim.
25:35He says that GST is set to be exempted from the health and life insurance.
25:39Remember, this has been an ongoing demand for a while.
25:41He said that the proposal to be tabled before the GST Council, he'll be doing it.
25:46And he said that after attending the GST Council meet, the group of ministers meet, that happened.
25:52Now, what's the story here?
25:53Health and life insurance GST is currently at 18%.
25:56The government of India is exempting GST on life and health insurance premium altogether is under debate.
26:0618% too high.
26:07Should we really be leveling that in a country where we are trying to encourage more and more people to get on health insurance and life insurance?
26:15Well, the Bihar Deputy Chief Minister now going ahead to say that all states have now agreed on the need to cut down GST.
26:23The Bihar Deputy Chief Minister has now agreed on insurance premiums.
26:26Much, much needed perhaps here in the country, especially when we are trying to get more people on board.
26:30Remember, one illness can really sort of erode plans for families at a go at this time.
26:36So, at this time, these insurance premiums, health insurance and life insurance premiums come into handy.
26:43But what exactly is the Bihar Deputy Chief Minister saying?
26:47Listen in.
26:49The Bihar Deputy Chief Minister has now agreed on insurance.
26:53The Bihar Deputy Chief Minister of the Bihar Deputy Chief Minister of Police Services in a new government of India's
27:20all right so the question is of exempting the 18 percent gst altogether karishma sudhani
27:40our colleague from business today tv joins us now karishma take us through what exactly are the
27:45demands here and interestingly what's going to be key is numbers how many states actually come on
27:51board on this one tonal i think it's very important for us to understand that this has been long-standing
27:58agenda on center state it was expected at the 55th the gst council meeting in jessel made that they
28:05would take a shot at actually reducing it to five percent because that was the the center's plan
28:11then in even gom's proposal which is led by deputy chief minister of bihar but that proposal wasn't
28:18taken up by the council then and now they are back to it but back on table with a zero percent
28:24uh proposal which has also had some conflicting views among the gom members now what we've picked
28:29up from a couple of ministers that we've been talking to say the rajasthan's representation
28:33kalangana's and bihar's they say that one of the options on table is also to consider a five percent
28:39gst on the premiums now if there is going to be a five percent which is going to be a lower gst then
28:44the center will have to look at foregoing about close to 10 000 for revenue that is going to be
28:49the gap and uh of course it's going to be beneficial to consumers because that's a direct hit from 18 to
28:55five percent but the second straightaway proposal that gom says is they'd like to go it to zero percent
29:00that is nil remove uh premiums on life and health insurance from the gst ambit and that is going to be
29:07big but you know all the power lies in the hands of the council correct so we will keep an eye on
29:13what the council actually decides this is if it were to go through even down to five percent or
29:18exempted altogether this would be of great relief to people all over the country definitely we leave
29:23it there for the moment thanks so much karishma for joining us all right let's shift our focus back
29:31to the top story we're discussing here on five live we opened the program by telling you about that
29:36shocking violence that unfolded in amdabad but in delhi the situation was no different what happened
29:42today now the delhi chief minister was attacked during she was holding what is a jan sun vai at
29:49her residence a 41 year old attacked a her his name is rajesh bhai from raj court he has obviously
29:55now been arrested his picture on your screen right now he was caught after he was he tried to push the
30:03chief minister many say she tried to pull her hair as well and immediately the security actually
30:09sprung into action he was taken into custody the accused mother interestingly has sort of cited
30:15untreated mental health issues in this case for him attempt to murder case has been registered bjp
30:21meanwhile has called it a conspiracy amit bharadwaj joins us live now for more on this story amit the
30:31day has gone by more details would have come in by now there are several questions that emerge but
30:37first up before we go to the accused altogether how could this happen with so many police officials
30:44standing right there senior police officers even in the past when arvind kejriwal would hold
30:50jan sabhas like these his personal security that's tier one then there is security of delhi police that's
30:56tier two and only then are the the secretariat people are also standing they let in people one by one
31:03in so many in the presence of so many police officials how could this take place uh sonal you
31:14know that's a bigger question for the delhi police to actually ponder upon uh because uh when you go by
31:20the security paraphernalia of any state chief minister i would say you know situation of this sort
31:27is completely unimaginable having said that when delhi as you also mentioned when arvind kejwal was
31:34delhi chief minister such attacks used to happen every other year and delhi police would come up with
31:41some random theories to defend their security labs but this security lapse that has happened is inside
31:47the cm residence and it is for the delhi police to explain as to how this could happen and for our
31:52viewers understanding the general policing is a completely different matter but the personnel
31:58who are generally deployed for security of the vvips or vips or in cm security or in minister security
32:06their training is essentially to avert any such hostile incident and this particular incident as the
32:13sources had also confirmed there was a physical assault and altercation a manhandling which went on for
32:21nearly 50 60 seconds uh so what was the delhi police personnel deployed in the security of rekha gupta
32:28the chief minister of the national capital doing in order to stop that assaulter so that is a big
32:34question that delhi police will have to uh think upon ponder upon because this is not the first time it
32:39is happening arvind kejwal has been victim of such violence in the past this time rekha gupta is uh
32:46has been a victim several times once it was a shoe then it was ink then there was some
32:51somebody who came in to slap him and now people thought it was a damadi party issue but clearly
32:56not because now a bjp chief minister also has faced similar assault but what exactly is happening over
33:04here we thought we'll bring to you somebody who understands delhi security also understands delhi
33:09politics a little bit joining us next is kiran bedi uh thank you so much ma'am for being with us here on
33:15five live at india today my first question really when you hear about repeated instances like these
33:23first arvind kejwal now rekha gupta what is the first reaction that comes to your mind as somebody
33:28who's been at the helm of both
33:34it's very important to understand to for me to comment how was she meeting was she meeting close by
33:41could they could they be could they be could they be really like elbow to elbow or close by or what
33:49i mean so i think that it's dependent on that if she is dependent if she does not have a buffer
33:55if she doesn't have a buffer then i think that's what i think needs to be brought in as a system for
34:02prevention because a buffer is important do you remember social distancing time during covid when covid
34:09we and then we even had a mask yeah it's social distancing is important mark in what how many
34:17feet how many feet even if you see i i have in my social media handles posted a table a long standing
34:26table which provided a buffer we have those pictures i'll ask i'll request the producers to put them up as
34:32well yeah with the petitioner and i was meeting petitioners every day at rajnavas i had kept a buffer a
34:38standing table by which i could receive the paper on the table and then i could address it and the
34:46petitioner could not cross over or get close to me correct and on my right and left i had security
34:52now i do not know whether our chief minister had something like this they actually did not ma'am
34:59this jansen why happens in a very different way it's an open court of sorts the doors of the chief
35:04minister's bungalow and residents are opened up for people to come there's generally a queue they form
35:08a circle around the chief minister and that's been the case in both the terms both in the case of
35:13arvind kejriwal and reka gupta as well but let's move on from this to understand then are you saying
35:18that jansen wise are really important but there has to be a right way to conduct it and perhaps then a lot
35:25of honest lies with the organizers as well on why so much of proximity was even allowed in the first
35:32place you can have a table and you can have a buffer and you it does not distance your use yourself from
35:41the people on the contrary it gives that person also a platform to maybe keep his little uh to leave
35:48his table a paper rather than giving it by hand he puts it on the table and then the honorable chief
35:54minister could see or the whole person who's listening see examine and even write and see what
36:00can be done on this petition so this is what we used to do we i should write my direction on that
36:05petition because i need i had the table and then give it to my grievance officer who was standing next
36:11door to me to now take it for further follow-up and i had security i had the adc on my left i had
36:17my personal security secretary on the right so it worked i dealt it for five long years yeah
36:24thousands of petitioners and every petitioner was logged and then searched and we also they
36:30used to also check out if anybody's smelling of alcohol and those who were smelling of alcohol
36:36were made to sit outside in the lounge and then and somebody else dealt with them so we did not have
36:41such like so there was a screening and there was a buffer and there was a table where you could even
36:47write interesting so ma'am you're basically saying there is a way of doing it correctly there is a
36:53possible format in which people can be heard and security will not be breached so you're saying
36:59there's nothing wrong in the format but you've got to be careful of how you conduct it
37:07no it's not a bad format mine was an evolved format it it was customized it was needed because i
37:14needed to stand and when you're so many people and if you start sitting down then if you everybody
37:19starts or other stand is bad manners so you stand and you have a table and it's like a working table
37:24but it's also a little buffer it gives you the space i think it's about a format yeah but jansen why
37:30is absolutely essential yeah absolute because this is the only way of a direct feedback from the common man
37:35so ma'am as somebody who has been at the helm of affairs in delhi police what are your suggestions
37:43to the delhi police cp perhaps watching you today on what should they be doing or perhaps the cm security
37:48people as well i would not comment on this because that will lead to the that will be dependent on the
37:58report of the um uh interrogation i think yes i think what kind of interrogation happens at what
38:04to do that will be revealed from there what was his intention why if he was hanging around
38:09did he change his mind was he asked by somebody that will be known only by his interrogation ma'am
38:17can i move away from security and ask you this in your experience of having dealt or with multiple
38:23instances like these i'm sure uh why do you think people resort to violence why do you think people
38:31even get to this desperation of hitting someone or making a point about it fully knowing that they
38:37will be caught i think it's a decline of respect for authority respect for positions it's a decline it's a
38:47it's an erosion of our culture of our values and also for respect for authority and also regard for
38:54law i think that's a big decline i have noticed over the period and number two desperation desperation
39:00to or it could be even to attract attention and be the bad boy but the name is known she sometimes
39:07want to be the bad bad bad guy and he still gets to be known oh you're the same so i think the intention
39:13of this is will be known only by interrogation by the police and i'm sure they will know and also the
39:19cause it'd be important to analyze the cause the intention and if this person was done by himself
39:25or was he propelled by somebody or instigated by others that invent interrogation will reveal but such
39:33incidents can never be ruled out you can only provide for them provision for them customize for them
39:39care for them and be alert for them but these can never be ruled out but only thing is that you have
39:46to go on doing it and take the risk and so that's why public life is a risk is a life of risk but you
39:52can have systems in place and our line suggesting is a system is a tried tested tested system and which
39:59worked wonderfully well five years of grievance addressing i used to hold regularly not a single
40:06single incident came only because we had a system in place wow you're saying these these instances
40:13like these can never be ruled out there will always be a risk and all one can do is actually ensure
40:19to try and mitigate them as much as possible that's quite interesting ma'am but a lot of politicians after
40:24this bjp of course has said that it's a conspiracy you rightly said uh the details when they come out of
40:30the police report more shall be known then uh but a lot of politicians even visited the chief minister
40:36in hospital they are all quite shaken up there might be other politicians who might say hold on
40:41i don't think this is the right way to go do you have a message for those politicians
40:48i said all politicians all elected representatives all the members of parliament mlas municipal
40:56corporators even bureaucrats should do johnson why even they need to do a regular uh listening hour
41:03and if everybody does a listening hour there'll be not many people who'll go to the cm because they
41:08first go to the person who has the solution so i think if every elected representative and even
41:15appointed senior officers secretaries of the government secretaries of the government and mlas elect
41:21panchay sarpanchas if they decide to hold an open hour a johnson why even twice a week and with such
41:28a buffer no problem buffer and recording of what kind of grievances is coming and what happened is a
41:34follow-up i think pressures on the chief minister as a last resort and the first resort will go away
41:42well that's an interesting suggestion for everybody to open up their offices for johnson why but that's
41:48what kiran bedi is here saying but ma'am before i let you go a lot of questions are also being asked
41:53about the security breach here do you think heads should roll after repeated instances like these
42:00happen why haven't been able why haven't we been able to put an end to this why hasn't the police
42:05security been able to put an end to this i think it's learning by experience but unfortunately we
42:14learn don't pick up good practices around you know this we talk about certain good practices but we
42:20don't pick them up and good practices are around and like one of them i suggest shared with you good
42:26practices around we need to adopt them and it's a systems approach and keep evolving and fine-tuning the
42:32system from learning from experiences i think it's a question of respecting good practices which are still
42:38around which are visible and known even written about and then and visible and thereafter implement
42:44them but keep learning keep improving keep thinking ahead it's like constantly on duty think ahead what
42:51could you do better it's thinking when you deploy it it's like thinking ahead so think ahead think around
42:58so that you keep improving all right so for all politicians anybody in public office who's holding
43:05johnson why there is a kiran medhi model of actually doing it do look at that you listen to what
43:11she's saying there is a systematic way of actually making it happen thank you so much ma'am for joining
43:17us here on five live and sharing all those insights and it's time now for our health story of the day
43:23now how do you deal with stress with anxiety even adhd now different people cope with it in different
43:29ways right but some turn to medication others turn to therapy but in china a rather unusual trend
43:36is catching up you see that right those pictures over there on your screen adults are now using
43:42pacifiers yes the same ones that we give it to babies in order to soothe them now is it really
43:50an harmless comfort tool or should you absolutely stay away from this trend that's what we'll find out
43:56with our guests joining us joining us joining us on the program dr hari shetty is a psychiatrist well
44:02known person in the space to understand how exactly to read this dr shetty uh as baffling as this trend
44:10sounds there are millions of views on this on social media and china's version of tiktok there are massive
44:18card sales happening anything between a dollar to 70 is what adults are picking it up for and i have so
44:25many reasons of why you should not do it but i want to hear from you first angst driven market is huge
44:34there'll be a million players and these will be fads that come and go what is very important to
44:40understand that anxiety is because of the disturbance of the rhythm between mind and the body because of
44:48internal causes or external causes and china is using it i'm surprised one of the most ancient civilizations
44:57china and india have time tested methods of handling anxiety tibetan form of meditation buddhist form of
45:05meditation yoga and mindfulness practices originated in china and india and i wish people do not use
45:13superficial bandages or troubles inside and they use systemic practices which have been time tested
45:22harvard also says this that anxiety equal to yoga and that is the best practice yeah but dr shetty a lot
45:29of people do this right for example people chew gums when they want to handle their stress they pace back and
45:36forth uh they have journals that they write there are these external support systems that we all dip into
45:43in order to get that support so pacifier just one of them no so i would say that small exercises are
45:53pacifiers taking deep breaths for one minute between your two news reading shows
46:00just just bending down and keep getting up talking to a friend who's very close to you cracking a joke
46:12is also very very important chewing the gum is again a part which which starting the vessel continues it
46:18might bring down anxiety temporarily but what is very important is along with the superficial practice
46:25if you have been using i call it mood lifters and mood shifters please understand that bringing back
46:31the rhythm of the mind and the body slowing down calming down makes you more effective people always say
46:39that meditation yoga vipassana will make you a saint it doesn't make you a saint it makes you effective
46:45to deal with the situation around and internally in your mind you have new explanations of of coping along
46:52with that modern forms of counseling also helps you to change your distorted thinking and helps you to
46:59calm down what is important is you might choose a chewing gum some people say that they stop smoking
47:04that is because smoking is about oral fixation and you get a substitute to suck you feel better i would
47:11advise everybody here do not get carried away by a fad use those small things which are used when in
47:18school or in adult life but along that along with that mindful practices are our interventions which
47:28actually changes the rhythm i like what you said the real pacifier is not that little pacifier it's the
47:36other things that we do in life that's quite beautiful and also if i may add here these pacifiers
47:42even with kids they are habit forming and very difficult to let go of if you get on to it it can
47:47destroy your oral structure it can destroy your jaw a dentist will tell you give you hundred reasons
47:54for never ever to use a pacifier yet we have adults in china who've caught on to the trend dr shetty if
48:01anybody is doing it right now your last quick word i would say stop the pacifier for a few minutes start
48:11doing deep breathing for a few minutes and slowly win it off and remember one thing sucking without
48:19reason as a child leads to thumb sucking in adulthood so sucking for small reasons with the pacifier might
48:28might make your boss see you in hiding sucking your own thumb in your office so don't look at the oral
48:36cavity as a pacifier look at the entire system and where the sympathetic and the parasympathetic nervous
48:42system is in balance look at things in the nature those who are connected with with nature their
48:49anxiety is much less true those who play with water uh feel air look at the sky play with mud and look at
48:57the stars they are much calmer than the rest so look at deep interventions not superficial interventions
49:03so let's just say uh this trend sucks and you should not catch on to it at all look at other alternatives
49:10pick up the phone talk to your friend take help if you need if you're feeling anxious take a moment go
49:15out try the 20 20 20 rule for 20 minutes look at something which is 20 feet away and just soak it in
49:22for 20 seconds all of that is what can be done except catch on to another fad like this one thank you so much
49:29thank you so much dr shetty for joining us and sharing your insights
49:39you
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