- 7 weeks ago
Screen Babble is back after a short summer break and on this episode Kelly, Benji and Matt are talking about the rise of social games on TV. The Traitors seems to have spawned many new versions of the genre but Matt tells us about two in particular Fortune Hotel and Destination X.
As we anticipate the arrival of Spinal Tap 2 in September Benji takes us through some of the other great music/band mockumentaries. And finally the team discuss Wednesday, the current hit teen drama with substantial talent involved.
As we anticipate the arrival of Spinal Tap 2 in September Benji takes us through some of the other great music/band mockumentaries. And finally the team discuss Wednesday, the current hit teen drama with substantial talent involved.
Category
📺
TVTranscript
00:00hello and welcome back to screen babble we're just back from a little summer break
00:17i hope you didn't miss us too much i'm your host kelly carton and i am joined by
00:21national world critics matt mohan hickson and benjamin jackson here to tell us what is hot
00:28what is not as ever screen babble is a monthly podcast with longer run times now where we'll
00:34take you through the best in tv and film today we're looking at the rise of social games on tv
00:39think the traitors but trying to emulate the traitors we're also anticipating the release
00:46of spinal tap 2 next month so we're talking the best in mockumentaries and finally wednesday has
00:53returned for season two and we deep dive why it's doing so well and what we can expect
00:58from the new series hi benji and matt did you have an amazing summer i mean so far it's not over is it
01:04like yes it's been busier than expected for me i uh yeah lots on lots on lots of busy stuff so i
01:11haven't really had a lot of time to keep up with tv which is i know this is it and i think ever
01:16everybody's kind of in the same boat aren't they what about you benji same yeah pretty much same
01:20boat i've been busy with music festivals and stuff like that so any spare time i've had to myself i've
01:26just done what i've wanted to do it's not peak tv and film time is it i mean realistically but
01:32having said that we are kind of coming into you know september and january i think are very important
01:39times in the tv calendar because we're seeing all the new stuff and even i spotted at netflix the last
01:45couple of days there's there's just tons of new stuff i was kind of like wow sometimes you go in
01:49there and there's like nothing you really want to watch and now there's like lots so anyway we'll
01:53do a bit more of that next month the sort of looking forward to what's kicking off but anyways
01:59the little bit of viewing you have been doing tell me what have those highlights been over the last
02:04couple of months matt do you want to go first yeah yeah i finally managed to catch season two of
02:10the traders new zealand on bbc such an addict you're such a trader's addict i'm an active um we went to
02:16uh they actually went to like a a live one a live show he was like he was like you went and played
02:21like games like the traitors oh how was it it was fun but we accidentally signed up for one game that
02:28was like super for experts and i was like i i don't even know what's going on so i was just i was just
02:34the dum-dum in the room but yeah no traitors uh new zealand season two might just be the best
02:39english language one no yeah yeah yeah and then also king of the hill is finally on uh disney
02:46trying to find where to watch it for like years now because yeah like the original 90s oh my god
02:52yes i've been watching that i've been having an episode a day so i'm savoring it nice nice and
02:58more 90s from you benji i believe what have you been watching uh i've been watching the new season
03:04south park ever since uh parker matt stone finally sorted out of their stuff regarding paramount there
03:12was much much drama about the fact that the season was delayed because of an acquisition skydance
03:18what did they make with paramount they signed the dotted line and people including myself were kind of
03:23worried that they were going to bend the knee and absolutely not it's been oh my god they have i saw
03:30the first episode yeah like not only is it like laugh out loud funny but like it's it's brutal like
03:38it is so there's so little of this you know artist willing to put their neck on the line when it comes
03:45to calling out trump but also there's so you you think there's so little room to maneuver because
03:50reality is stranger than fiction at the moment but they still managed to do it they still managed to do
03:55it yeah i think that's that's always been the beauty of south park when it comes to politics they
04:01uh it's not as heavy-handed as say other animations or tv shows it still dabbles in that surrealism that
04:09we love about south park going way back to when it first started but it is scary how on point and i think
04:16it's even more important where we are just in terms of you know i don't want to say censorship but
04:23certainly everyone's being a bit careful what they say when it comes to punching up and it's just
04:29really nice to see something as big as culturally relevant as south park still just punching upwards
04:36and and boy are they punching upwards um speaking of punching upwards as well though i really enjoyed
04:43happy gilmore 2 and i think i might have been one of the few people out there i can understand why
04:49people might not have liked it compared to the first one because it does have its melodramatic
04:53moments spoiler alert his wife dies in practically the first eight minutes minute yeah but it's enjoyable
05:01it's what you want from an adam sandler film i still subscribe to the idea that adam sandler lives
05:06his life as one for them one for me or maybe that's kind of one for them four for me because every time
05:13people mention oh happy gilmore that's my boy oh they're awful movies i've just got two words for
05:19you uncut gems oh such a good film my god yeah really goes really good yeah i mean i i personally
05:28like happy gilmore 2 because it featured two uh me being a wrestling fan it featured two prominent
05:33wrestling stars and uh becky lynch who's a wwe wrestler and mjf who played happy gilmore's son
05:41is an aew wrestler so for wrestling fans it felt like a venn diagram of like oh here's a movie on
05:48netflix that you know features some other people what do they call it now they call it brand synergy
05:53when some of the wwe appears on a netflix thing yeah i mean doesn't happen going forwards but yeah
06:00they've just put a name on it but yeah i do you know what i started watching happy gilmore 2 and i
06:05think i got about an hour into it and i actually was just so tired i had to go to bed but um i did
06:10enjoy i particularly enjoyed the kids his kids every time because they not they don't feature
06:15heavily in it besides the daughter but the boys every time you see them they're just like wrestling
06:19and kicking each other and bigging each other up and like being each other's hype men and i thought
06:23that was quite funny but yeah you're right about adam sandler he's um he can do both very well can't
06:28he do the very serious and manic sort of portrayals and then the very funny manic portrayals there's
06:36something in there maybe um okay yeah for me i have been like you guys very busy lots of being
06:42out and about and enjoying the summer and but i've still managed to squeeze in department q which i
06:47thought was good i thought a lot of people were raving about it i was like um i'd love to talk to
06:52you about it a bit more in depth because literally the first episode i was like there is nobody in the
06:58scottish police service that has the haircuts these people have so that was a starting point right
07:03but anyway um and some of it is a bit far-fetched but if you can suspend reality probably even more
07:09so than most sort of police procedurals um then it's pretty good and there's some brilliant turns
07:16in it as well actually um and then i managed to finish series three of slow horses i'm getting
07:24through it um i think series five is coming in the next few weeks and i i'm also making my way
07:30through going back through ambulance because it's so easy just to pick it up and put it down so the
07:36bbc series and there's 14 series but i'm doing it i'm going backwards so i'm on series 12 i think
07:44um and i also matt watched your highly recommended sinners which i absolutely loved so um yeah so yeah
07:53so i'm sure some of those will come back around for chats in the future but anyway back to the business
07:58of today matt you're going to talk to us first about the rise of social games i love when we
08:03are talking about things and you give me the name of what it is and when we were talking about these
08:08sort of wannabe traders um programs they're called social games and essentially it's this sort of
08:15i guess people sort of working together or betraying each other to achieve uh goals so so talk to us
08:22about a couple that have been um have been on the rise we'll say yeah so obviously the name like
08:30social game social deduction game it sort of sounds like something from a like team building day at work
08:36or like you know icebreaker but it's it's not anywhere near as scary as that if you've ever played
08:41werewolves or mafia or secret hitler that's those sorts of you know sort of fun games that might get
08:48cracked out at a party after a few wines or wine gums if you're younger i guess uh it starts that
08:55you know the bluffing there's hidden information there's a team of baddies there's a team of goodies
09:01obviously not in real life but yeah trying to work out who who is who um you know there are some more
09:08complicated versions of that i as mentioned i was at this sort of traitors event this week and they were
09:13playing blood on the clock tower which is like a fancy super fancy version of werewolf and that has
09:18all these roles and i was like i feel like i'm in gcsc drama so yeah like the traitors is obviously the
09:28sort of prime example of this style of game but it is a bit surprising that it took so long for tv to
09:34like embrace this i know obviously there was the mole on channel five very early in the century like
09:412001 obviously didn't take off i don't remember tv from 2001 so um yeah i think you're i think you've
09:49yeah you've hit the nail on the head there i think it was the it was traitors that has kind of tipped
09:55it over because there's always been these things we've always had these kind of kinds of programs
10:00but traitors has managed to i don't know whether it was like the personalities and the styling or what
10:07whatever it is that makes it work but um yeah so go on you're sorry you're right so anyway we're
10:12seeing a lot more of them now as a result there's a lot more of them obviously there's all the
10:15different versions of traitors since yeah there's the uk us australia new zealand this island coming
10:21this year with um sister michelle from uh yeah yeah yes who's anti-taught me in the grail
10:29tucked in ireland we've talked about this before yes friend of the podcast and um yeah so it's not
10:39surprising that these take off like they're relatively like i i don't know the insides and
10:44out but like relatively cheap from a tv point of view yeah and you don't have to do a lot to get
10:49the drama going like they don't have to like i know there's challenges to sort of having the episode
10:53and stuff but they're sort of inherently because of the hidden information and goodies and baddies
10:59people are at each other's throats yeah and just true and if you do much true and if you like
11:04people are going to rub you the wrong way you know if you're annoying people and then it's like oh god
11:08i really don't want those people to win you know or whatever yeah but yeah so it's from my point of
11:16view we all know on this podcast i'm a traitors guy like we love in my house we love all the versions
11:22of the traitors and like the round table i just no matter what season whatever show like that sort
11:28of stuff is just tv goal for me like them just sitting round table arguing and yeah you arguing
11:35at home like no you idiots they're not the traitors but yeah it's no surprise that it became a blockbuster
11:42as it has um and it's no surprise that both the bbc and itv are trying to you know sort of capitalize
11:50on it while you know strike while the iron's hot um they've got uh a couple new shows this summer
11:57well not one new one returning but yeah newer shows this summer that are sort of in the similar
12:03mold to the traitors so we've got destination x on the bbc which is a bit more convoluted um it's
12:10they're on a bus where they can't see outside there's rob bryden as the host which is great casting
12:17rob bryden just have him on everything i think yeah i think controversial tech but they're sort
12:22of being driven around europe they do some challenges they get a few clues of where they are
12:27you can play along at home and try and guess where in europe they are which is that's what we enjoy in
12:33our house is they're trying to play along at home yeah because you're like you see a castle and you're
12:38like all right can i find this castle like yeah does it look a bit austrian searching like austrian
12:43castle yeah is it this one is it this one yeah so i obviously we're we're able to cheat at home
12:49they don't have access to phones and things like that yeah yeah then itv has the fortune hotel which
12:55is back for season two this summer with uh steven mangan um i think you said it was one of their big
13:01hits last year i i never heard of it actually yeah and i think it might might have been the second
13:07episode last week i saw like the last half hour of it purely by accident but we'd been talking about
13:11it so i was like oh i'm gonna watch this just to see what's what and so when i went back just to
13:17check how many episodes or whatever i was like oh season two i was kind of surprised you know i
13:20hadn't heard anything so yeah sorry go on no it's all right yeah um and yeah it's more trailers i think
13:28like destination x is a different end of the spectrum there's no sort of different teams or
13:35whatever it's just you trying to work out where you are and survive whereas the fortune hunters
13:40there is that sort of round table equivalent there's a thing called the night cap and
13:45the basic premise of this one is it's all these players that jetted off to the caribbean in teams
13:51are staying at the fortune hotel um and they all have a suitcase like a silvery suitcase you know like
13:58a movie spy movie suitcase the kind of thing that james bond would be trying to steal
14:02one of them one of those bam proof yeah exactly yeah like yeah there's the other death star plans
14:08in them um it's got one of them's got 250 000 pounds in which ultimately someone will win
14:15most of them are empty and one has an early checkout card which is the thing you want to avoid so
14:21basically it's just like fancy hot potato yes yeah yeah yeah yeah that's a good way to describe it
14:27yeah yeah and at the end they do sort of challenges and it's like lets them get a little ranking sort
14:35of thing and at the end there's a thing called the nightcap which is like the round table they sit and
14:40have to swap suitcases and the person who's left with the early checkout at the end that was immensely
14:46confusing i have to say yes because through well at this stage anyway where there's like 10 or 12
14:52couples yeah yeah well pairs i suppose and um so you know who has the money and you know who has the
14:59early checkout and then you roughly know who has yeah nothing in their nothing in their um suitcase and
15:06then some of the rest of them have they're like positive suitcases it's oh they've 10 10 000 in them
15:12is that right i can't remember anyway yeah yeah there's sort of negative suitcases and positive
15:15suitcases as well just to make it even more complicated and at the start you kind of know
15:19who's got what and then they start swapping and swapping back and swapping over and so now i think it
15:24was a i think it was quite a this particular nightcap there was lots of swapping that's not always the
15:30case pardon the fuck um but but by the end of it i was like i have actually no idea what's going on
15:38here anymore but it was exciting because i kind of knew basically who did had it originally or were
15:45trying to like get rid of the early checkout and the person who had the money and they they were like
15:50they're like all second and triple guessing themselves and trying to yeah yeah oh it was it
15:56was good i was like oh my god this is like oh what's gonna happen i actually really found myself
16:00getting invested in it really quickly you know oh i mean and consider it just people passing
16:05around a suitcase i know it's surprisingly like dramatic without yeah yeah yeah there is the
16:11complications there is a bit of deal or no deal without a little bit more glamour you know
16:15or just a total tangent i have to go off because this is reminding me i watch american football and i
16:23use the disown app to get the american coverage and earlier this year they had an advert for a tv show
16:29that was deal or no deal island and it was they went to the caribbean and we're playing like
16:34deal or no deal on a caribbean island and i was like what they were trying to do there
16:38i had the camera yeah yeah so maybe they'd bought fortune hotel i guess exactly there i know what we
16:43need i know what we do to liven it up this year uh okay so tell us matt where can we watch both of
16:48these and yeah which one if you're going to pick one which do you think destination x is on bbc
16:55it's on wednesdays and thursday nights in august it's on at 9 p.m it's also available on catch up on
17:03bbc iplayer fortune hotel is also on on wednesdays and thursdays only on itv oh interesting 9 p.m so
17:11they're on at the same time so head to head oh look i mean obviously there's itvx stv player yeah
17:18yes tv so you can choose but yeah i don't know it depends what you want like if you enjoy the
17:26plane along at home destination x is pretty fun if you want more of that like traitors like
17:32human-y drama like the fighting and the round table stuff maybe fortune x is for you so yeah
17:39whichever flavor of them yeah yeah and then there's the whole personality element where you start
17:44rooting for particular people yeah kind of like them better or whatever but i always try not to
17:49do that to an extent because you you just know in the edit the producers and the director are doing
17:53stuff in the edit like they're editing them to high high heaven so okay well that that got us thinking
17:59you know celebrity traitors is coming now in the autumn we don't have a confirmed date for it yet but
18:03who although i think many people are already confirmed but who would be your ultimate pick
18:07for celebrity traitors benji well how about you go first this time
18:11um probably roxanne pallet i've been re-watching her saga from uh celebrity big brother have we even
18:21seen her since have we seen her in anything since god help her i think she ended up getting married
18:26having a kid with another reality tv show from i think as you do the love is blind american
18:36convert i can't keep oh really how many reality i'll be honest with you i was just shopping for
18:41the boo-boos while you guys were talking about those reality shows because it's not your bag for me for
18:48me that whole reality series begins and ends with an early 90s tv show channel four used to produce
18:54called wanted if any listeners remember that it was effectively the running man uh yeah
19:01stay for the remake of now but yeah i'd like to see roxy pallet because i think she's got all the
19:06tools necessary to to do very well in the traitors take that as you will uh and if not nasty nick
19:14bateman wheel him out again you know yes it's coming up the panto season the pair of them need some work
19:20just to yes keep them going yeah and so kind of produces what's what's going on so yeah either one
19:26those would be my pick what about you matt what do you reckon well i'm going to go a bit more
19:32highbrow here and i'm going to say nicolo machiavelli aka the guy who wrote like the book
19:39that everyone uses the prince the machiavelli scheming what better person to play the traitors
19:44than the guy is he alive is he alive no he's been dead for like 600 years i think
19:49they'd have to be alive i agree i agree he's probably speaking like oh
19:56yeah hilarious and then you know if it's a channel for production they'll get someone to overdub an
20:04awful mario style voice over his italian voice for it that's probably what she sounds kind of funny
20:11to be fair um i would go for david attenborough who by the way is 100 next year i looked it up
20:16last night because he's got a new series out as well but i reckon with his sort of experience of
20:21like observing animals and observing just human nature as well i think he'd be really good at um
20:27picking out traitors you know he just has that intuition but anyway there you go that was the rise
20:35of social games uh which i think is not going to go away anytime soon right benji over to you you're
20:40going to talk to us a little about spinal tap too and then take a look back at some of the other
20:45fine mockumentaries that maybe came about in the wake of the original and arguably the best spinal
20:52tap tell us well i mean like i mentioned in the preamble uh i've been mainly focusing a lot on music
20:59over the summer with it being the summer festival season so cheekily i've not managed to catch as many
21:05movies as i wanted to but definitely one of the movies are my highlights for the rest of the year
21:10is spinal tap too it's meant to be coming out in september it follows on 40 years from when we
21:16last met the uh well i think it's safe to say the best metal band that semi exists because they do
21:23semi exist um and i'm really looking forward to it because for me it's going to be very interesting
21:29to see how they grapple with the advent of modern technology in this current day and age you go back to
21:371984 i remember correctly when spinal tap first came out there was no spotify no streaming audio
21:43mtv was still showing music videos so i'm yeah and it's those were the days benji those were the days
21:51bring back cassette tapes cal that's all i say you know i mean maybe not cassettes but like bring
21:57back non-streaming i'm telling you cassettes man i should have been admittedly i think i still have
22:06some of my cassettes somewhere i'm sure i've got madonna's immaculate collection buried somewhere
22:11in a box i think someone wrote an article somewhere on the network about how much your cassette tapes
22:18might be worth but i don't know who that person is now but i digress so i'm actually looking forward
22:24to see i could be a secret millionaire wait stop the price you could be a secret millionaire
22:29but you'll only have to find out if you check out the yorkshire post and there's a little plug
22:34so yeah i'm kind of very interested to see how they come to grips with like royalty payments and
22:40everything like that i mean it's no secret that i used to run an independent record label as well
22:45so mockumentaries are a part catharsis part pts okay i did not know that benji but is that another
22:52podcast is that another podcast what a podcast show or a podcast in general i don't know watch
22:58this space watch this space possibly but yeah so it's going to be interesting but did you know
23:03that spinal tap wasn't the first mockumentary to follow a band in fact in the united kingdom there
23:09was a tv show and a tv series that predated this is spinal tap by a year okay and that was a channel
23:16four series called the comic strip present and kelly you might show your age here it was uh all
23:23surrounding a metal band called bad news and then playing a music festival i think it might have been
23:29monsters of rock um eight edmondson the late rick mayo or all of those kind of young ones actually
23:35actually still too old for me benji thankfully yeah i do not remember that i'm only in my 40s man so
23:43you know do you remember it by the way you can check it out well maybe being a music fan and you
23:48know you've looked it up the game i've looked it up yes that came out in 1983 and that followed a rock
23:54band who were just horrendous the best part of that was that they actually played a set much akin to
24:01spinal tap when they did live aid not too long ago as bad news and yeah it was great controversially
24:09i would put 24 party people in the mockumentary yeah i was wondering about that there are gonna be
24:16there's gonna be some people probably like still recovering from the hangover of the oasis shows
24:21at heaton park that will bang the drum that well it's actually based on tony wilson but how reliable
24:27of a narrator did you think tony wilson was in that yeah not very at all so i still consider that part of
24:35the part of the mockumentary kind of field fair possibly my favorite and my favorite mockumentary
24:42not even music mockumentary but mockumentary as a whole that i have enjoyed recently was a pop star
24:49never stop never stopping which was just bang accurate about the modern dramas that come along
24:55with being a pop musician that stars and a lot of the lonely island crew and it just features
25:02i mean i still can't get over the moment when he decides for a great promotional tool they'll team
25:09up with a home appliance company and anytime you open anytime you open your fridge or do your washing
25:15you'll get a song by connor for real which is the character andy sandberg played thus demonstrating
25:21how ridiculously saturated pop music can get and i think it was a little knock on how uh if you remember
25:29you too released an album that was a big gift on all of our iphones and ipods and 24 hours later you
25:37were getting full-on articles from like grunts just saying i'd remove you too from your ipod so
25:43reality is stranger than fiction or whatever they say yeah no it certainly is so yeah there's a couple
25:49you can get your teeth into in terms of my favorite mockumentaries and how scarily realistic they are to
25:55the music scene but uh yeah it's gonna probably be a bit of an interesting fish out of water a fish
26:01out of a certain when it comes to spinal tap too and that is in cinemas i remember correctly september
26:0815th okay so we'll maybe talk about that we're going to the cinema finally yeah so we'll maybe talk
26:16about that next month as well you know i haven't been since i couldn't go see sinners i think it got put
26:21me off the whole going to see going to the cinema when i'm here to just felt i'm here for my ticket
26:27for sinners i'm sorry you're not allowed it's sold out but it's true you buddy i'm home was it have
26:34you seen it since have you seen the film since yeah i think it's great absolutely great one of the
26:39best movies of the year i prefer it over fantastic four there's just so much going on in it but look
26:44let's we're not talking about it today we'll come back to maybe i think we maybe talked you know
26:49once we start getting into award season we'll definitely be talking about it won't we but um
26:52yeah or did it is it going to miss award season was it like last year's award season no it should
26:57be okay okay uh okay so anyway yes we were talking about mockumentaries so got me thinking as well
27:04like what documentaries have you watched that you thought is this for real like is this is this a
27:09documentary or is this a mockumentary i mean of any genre matt you why don't you go first
27:14yeah so there's a series on netflix called train wreck which has like you know sort of
27:21one-off episodes on different things and they had one earlier in the summer called poop cruise i saw it
27:26i will not spoil that but that feels stranger than fiction very strange i'm not sure it's an hour of
27:34your life you'd get back so you know no proceed with caution yeah watch proceed with caution definitely
27:39um and then uh there's a film called icarus from about 2017 it's documentary about this guy who tries
27:47to uh dope like a cyclist and then ends up like involved in like this huge russian scandal like
27:54the reason why they were thrown out of the olympics and all this stuff it's just like it's true but it
27:59feels like what is going on like this can't be real seriously it's real like and this guy just gets
28:04himself in way over his head weird yeah i think yeah yeah i suppose that's where a lot of these
28:09places go you know they start with like reasonable people and then they end up just losing their mind
28:13because of the situation they're in what about you benji well i mean i keep bringing up metallica
28:19some kind of monster but that's more of a comedy film so instead i'm gonna go with it was a bbc film
28:25based around the the comeback of two brothers by the name of ros oh that was so good
28:33and i forever to this day will quote the line people of england if you can just do one thing
28:42after watching this film don't ban conkers and you know what we haven't banned conkers
28:48matt and lucas it wasn't it was matt is the slightly kookier one i think isn't it like
28:55the some of the stuff he came out with was just like what is he talking about he was your favorite
29:01one like i know luke i'm familiar with luke quite a lot because he's collaborated with guillermo del
29:07toro a few times with um with blade and everything like that um i think he also yeah no he collaborated
29:14with him on hellboy 2 as well if i remember correctly but yeah i i love how kooky um how
29:22kooky the other one is i mean i feel like you were you're fond of them you know what i mean it's not
29:27a you're not like this guy's you don't want to see any harm come to them no no famous is still a
29:32bop an absolute bop in this day and age but it was just yeah kate nash had a similar one that
29:40made me cringe but all is forgiven with kate nash i kind of preferred the bros one because
29:46i feel like they're a bit ditzy they're just ditzy you know what i mean they're kind of like
29:50i don't know a little bit airy or i i don't know what way to describe them that's polite but yeah
29:55just not really living in the real world or something i don't know but i mean like the the
30:00kooky one uh i think it's matt isn't it like matt goss um it's kind of hard not to be kooky when
30:07your residencies after being you know when will i be famous there's a joke there somewhere it's
30:12kind of weird uh-huh it's kind of kooky when your residency in las vegas has taken up most of your
30:18time las vegas residencies can do something that some people can't yeah 100 100 but they still have
30:24that kind of fan club that's following them around you know so why not you know maybe all that famous
30:30is a weird beast a weird rose-tinted glasses beast yeah 100 uh yeah when i was thinking about
30:39mad documentaries tiger king obviously because they're just such outlandish characters you know
30:45you're like really he can't be he can't be for real this guy you know similarly making a murderer
30:49whilst like the tone of that was very serious there was people in that you thought
30:54really really do you really live like this do you really talk like that is that the way you treat
31:01people you know um a little bit scary and then i suppose the king of documentaries of course louis
31:06theroux a lot of his stuff going back to when he started i mean the whole point of his stuff is sort
31:10of connecting us with people that are it's really hard to believe how they live or the way they live
31:15and so yeah i guess in a way many of his documentaries would certainly could be construed as
31:20um mockumentaries but there you go lots of suggestions there for anybody who's wanted to
31:25get down with the old documentary slash mockumentary genre in events of spinal tap 2
31:30okay finally on today's screen babble we're going to talk about wednesday which has done
31:36very well i would say so far season two is coming out very soon we've got about five minutes to chat
31:42about this matt so tell us about wednesday it'll be a whirlwind trip then um yeah so the first half
31:49of the second season of wednesday is out on netflix now the second half comes on the third of
31:55september which is a wednesday fittingly uh it would be ridiculous i get what they've done there i get it
32:02i get it they're still clever oh my god marketing genius and the thursday murder club's coming out on a
32:11thursday on netflix as well yes but getting us back on track a bit um yeah wednesday is a sort of
32:25young adult spin-off of um the uh adams family so you know the long like dating back going back to
32:34the 50s yeah 50s i think yeah the original 90s before uh yeah and then obviously the 90s films i'm sure
32:42all of us remember those fondly my comfort film matt oh yeah yeah um so yeah so that so the tv show is
32:54a sort of revival reboot of that and it's a uh spin-off with jenna ortega of um you scream you know
33:05the recent screen movies fame um she plays wednesday adams and she i mean she's like a superstar and
33:11wait i feel like watching the shot totally yeah charisma is just like yeah if if she isn't like a
33:18hollywood star soon she probably should fire her agent maybe um but yeah and she is expelled from
33:25her uh sort of middle school high school yeah whatever the americans call it um she's expelled
33:32from her school for dropping piranhas in the pool to get back at the bullies who were bullying her
33:38brother pugsley and then she shipped off to nevermore academy which is like basically you think hogwarts
33:47see there's like magic it's not a magic umbrale academy type thing yeah exactly it's like just a
33:53school full of like the kooky people ne'er-do-wells ne'er-do-wells yeah there's werewolves and um
34:00what's those things you know the snakes that freeze people whatever like medusa there is a zombie in season
34:07two um so yeah all those sorts of stuff um it's got all that sort of post twilight post harry potter
34:15kind of like young adult book vibes of there's a you know a love triangle at least in the first
34:21season a love triangle there's a murder mystery some weird powers all that sort of stuff there's a
34:28school there's there's not houses in like you know griffindor blah blah it's the outsiders and
34:35the normies and you know so you can be you can be team outside you can be team normie i guess
34:39okay yeah if i was 14 it probably would have been my favorite tv show it sounds like every other
34:46high school exactly yeah every generation has to have one of these sort of big spooky
34:54team dramas come along so yeah it's it's fun it's surprisingly like a tv show for a netflix thing
35:03like episodes have like a theme so they'll be like an episode that's like oh there's the boat race episode
35:09okay prank day episode yeah yeah dance episode which is oh i was gonna say we'll be waiting for
35:15the musical episode ala buffy you know but there was one was there already oh there was there was a
35:20dance and that was one of the things that went sent in viral back in 2022 yeah which i thought was
35:29going to be right at the start but it wasn't it was like way through season okay yeah season two
35:35there's a bit of an expanded cast there's steve pescemi has joined the cast this time um
35:41billy pipers there doing an american accent okay and um we've got catherine zeter jones is morticia adams
35:51and oh okay yeah gomez is uh gomez adams christina ricci is in it isn't she she was a teacher i think
35:58yeah she was in the first season and she was obviously wednesday in the 90s movies but
36:03yeah it is it's very kid friendly but it's it's very macabre it's it's fun there's a lot of stuff um
36:10thing is very very good in uh in the show that's you know the loose hand he's played by a romanian
36:17magician i believe because of his dexterity with his fingers oh really that's interesting
36:23tim burton directed some of it yeah well the first news anyway i don't know if he's back for second
36:28season two and even if you aren't going to watch the show go to youtube and watch the stop motion
36:35animation clip from the start of season two that they've shared it is fantastic it is like franken
36:41weenie and corpse bride it's is that sort of promotional tool it's not actually part of the
36:46show that's part of this show it's like it's it's a sort of spooky campfire story yeah
36:52it's also touching upon um it's also touching upon tim burton's work uh like matt said about
37:01franken weenie the corpse bride because yeah there's a nightmare before christmas we'd be
37:07remiss not to forget that burton's always been a fan of stop motion so i'm glad that he's brought
37:12it back for even in a small amount of form yeah sounds cool sounds like there's a lot going on in
37:18it so um yeah i'll be getting my young daughter's aunt in the next few years yes yeah excuse younger
37:25but it's fun enough if you're not a teenager as well like there's enough yeah like maccabi like
37:31all the episodes are like boys you know because wednesday's child is war whatever like that old
37:37right yeah but definitely one for the youngsters cool okay thanks matt and that's starting on a
37:47wednesday we said what did we say it was the first half of the season came out uh last wednesday
37:53okay at the time of recording so what the sixth and then the second half comes out third of september
38:00so there's eight episodes a season the first quite quite quick that's good that's good okay so yeah
38:06again this got us thinking and uh who else should have got a spin-off from the series they starred in
38:13really quick guys give me your show me some names
38:16paulie yes paulie yeah you know if you remember paulie what ended up begrudgingly taken over the
38:28leadership of the gang from tony and then the screen went blank so i'd like to see did paulie go ahead
38:34did he make any changes did the new jersey mob you know rise up again or not that would probably be my
38:41ideal kind of spin-off of a character anyway just on sitcom vibes i imagine it'd be hilarious uh
38:47skinny pete and badger from breaking bad i think they could get up to some fun oh yeah yeah fun
38:53inventions let's just say that i i yeah that wouldn't pop into my head but it does make sense
38:58and yes my suggestions are look excuse me my suggestions are blanche from the golden girls
39:04and samantha from sex in the city just because they were like the most irreverent sort of
39:09you know defiant characters in those series and maybe didn't represent the stereotypical woman that
39:15was being shown um and just i should mention by the way for all you sex in the city fans out there
39:20and uh just like that fans coming to an end this week the end of carrie bradshaw i mean we're saying
39:26it's the end of carrie bradshaw it's probably not realistically but you know they're saying that's
39:29the end for just like that i haven't watched this series yet it sounds absolutely horrendous probably
39:34won't stop me from watching it but hey ho um and just honorable mention department q which i just
39:39watched there's a great character in that who um is a sort of a refugee that comes to the uk and he's
39:45a cop and he joins the team and he's brilliant he's like a poirot kind of character and i think he'd
39:50have i actually said out loud last night he he'd be really good in his own spin-off series so i feel
39:55like i have to bring that to the table um and the character's name is alexei manvalov so watch the space
40:01on that front it's a modern one for you um okay this has been fun thank you for listening if you
40:07have any suggestions for what tv or film we need to get into our lives drop us a line via social media
40:12we'd love for you to rate review and subscribe to the podcast so we can reach as many tv lovers as
40:15possible we'll be back again soon with more screen babble thanks bye
40:20bye
40:31you
40:34you
40:35you
40:37you
40:39you
40:41you
40:43you
Recommended
4:55
|
Up next
2:27
6:27
0:21
2:17
Be the first to comment