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Interview with the Secretary General of Jordan Hashemite Charity Organization (JHCO), Dr Hussein Mohammad Al-Shebli in ensuring humanitarian aid reaches Gaza despite the avalanche of challenges. #AgendaAWANI tonight at 830pm.
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00:00Assalamualaikum, you're with me Pierre and Nadia for Agenda Awani and right now I'm
00:11currently live all the way from Jordan and I'm not the only person here I'm
00:17accompanied with com organizations but today we'll be interviewing his
00:26Excellency Dr. Hussain Muhammad Al-Shabli which is the Secretary General of the
00:31Jordanian Heshmad Charity Organization, JHCO. Your Excellency thank you so much for
00:37your willingness to be on board with us to be interviewed with Astro Awani I
00:41believe this is our first exclusive interview with you. Pleasure having you
00:46here as a Malaysian brothers and even as Astro Awani TV so pleasure
00:56have you again here. Thank you. Your Excellency maybe to break the ice it's
01:04very important for us to actually answer some allegations going on around some
01:10parties claim that Jordan was profiting from the delivery aid to Gaza but then
01:17again Jordan stepped forward to deny the allegations however it's also very
01:21important for us to actually understand what is happening behind the seat
01:26behind the air and also the land aid operations who is truly funding the
01:31mission and how is you know transparency cost so maybe your Excellency you can tell
01:39me more about it. Thank you for this question let me just to start firstly as a
01:45short brief about JECO. JECO is established in 1990 as a humanitarian
01:52representative for Jordan reached around 42 countries around the world since we
02:01started in Gaza after 7th of October we have a directive from his majesty's from his
02:09majesty to deliver or to dispatch as much as we can the aid humanitarian aid to support
02:17people in Gaza so we started with 53 cargo aircraft which was when I reached them
02:26then I rafah to enter to Gaza but later we managed to configure as a land road to to
02:35Gaza so it is the main corridor now main humanitarian corridor which passed from
02:41here from Jordan to Gaza today we talk about 187 convoy dispatched to Gaza with more
02:49than 8200 the trucks passed to Gaza when we talk about 8200 the trucks it means
02:57around around 112,000 metric tons of humanitarian aid that we passed to Gaza and even in the area
03:08which is there is no possibility to deliver through the land road with the trucks we managed to arrange
03:15for the airdrops so in our collaboration and our support from Jordan Armed Forces that we managed to
03:25conduct airdrops to Gaza more than 430 airdrops managed to drop to Gaza and as you know after March of this
03:41month and my March of this year and that there is they blocked all the the interest to Gaza so we managed
03:51with our friends with our partners to support Gaza by land road and even with the airdrops as you
04:00mentioned the issue that there's some people try to talk here and there about something that we we get
04:10the trustee from our all parties all our partners for that that all our procedures with full transparency since
04:19we received our donations in our Jayco warehouses as you have seen in your around the trip in warehouses
04:33until it was dispatched to to Gaza and delivered to the people in Gaza with trying as possibility as as as
04:42much as we can for document the DC trip and document the all the operations and even there is another
04:52operations for the airdrops so some sites or as as you mentioned the allegation here and there talk about
05:01that in fact we are trying to clarify that it is coming from the coast and we are clarified that it is the
05:12court and we are in deal with each organization what is the course that it was demand from the other
05:18side for example procedures for as all the organization work in in the in the relief operations there is for
05:29example we paid for the customs we paid for insurance we paid this is the idea that we put our partner in
05:37that and since we started we put our partner in full transparency that this is the detail and this is the
05:42course for that's part i mean when i said that's part is right apart for example we heard we started to
05:51receive since one week they started to mention that they have to charge each trucks now three or four hundred
05:59dollars more in you after we passed we started to since two weeks so daily we have uh different
06:09conditions uh reflect in our operation together but it's very interesting to to understand from your
06:18point of view despite the massive emissions going on yet i personally believe that jordan is the role of
06:28jordan is still often overlooked internationally why do you think so you know jordan has been actively
06:37involved with the humanitarian missions yet it's often overlooked internationally why do you think so
06:44we're trying our efforts to stop the war in gaza we're trying our efforts by his majesty policy to
06:52open the border in gaza but unfortunately all this all the the the the the the the collaborations all the
07:01world uh press uh against israel with with no result so of course we are trying to help us as much as we
07:09can so for that reason maybe we will have a fire pack from here and there since we started with our
07:16partner even from charisma and from malaysia from all our brother brotherly country we will face we we put in
07:25our mind that we will face these allegations here and they are talking about try to reject it try to stop
07:33and block this leads to going to gaza
07:51i would like you to also address the common misconception that rafa is the only entry point to gaza
07:57in fact jordan corridor is one of the main corridor which was when i mentioned to you that more than 187
08:08convoyes passed here through from jordan through the occupied land
08:14uh toward gaza we have approximately day by day uh around 50 trucks and before when there is a pause
08:26of the war we managed to send 100 and 120 daily of the trucks and inshaallah we hope that we will
08:35continue by this effort your excellency why do you think such allocation exists one of the main reasons i
08:42think that just to uh any efforts which can help uh ghazian people it should be stuck in there and as you
08:51know there is some parts who can affect the the international media international opinion
08:58so uh they try to affect that when when we feel that that jordan corridor can affect in gaza and can
09:06support people in there they try to block this this aids or or try to make uh drop the uh the the the
09:14the relation between uh jaco and other organizations in the world but our partner believe in uh in their
09:22missions and we are in full transparency with them from all first day well to to what extent does you know
09:31these allegations affected public confidence in your organization no in fact it is not affected with
09:38anything so that we we have uh most of the people believe and uh they are sure from the the the
09:46this allegation is coming from another part who try to uh block the aid from gaza try to affect
09:53the people from gaza try to serve and help the occupied
09:57uh uh uh uh territories in gaza try to help the people who uh far away from the honest people
10:05from far away from a uh any support that can affect in gazaian people yeah excellency you've mentioned
10:13just now how you and common is here has been working hand in hand together even since maybe you could
10:20walk us through the operation heartbeat for gaza with the support of jordanian armed forces
10:27yes uh in fact one of the main uh of our partner is the jordan armed forces jordan armed forces that we
10:34manage with their uh aircraft to drop for the air drops and even for the aircrafts we manage for
10:42air drops more than 430 and even for the air bridge we have air bridge for the from the chopper that we also
10:54more one hundred uh 120 choppers passed through this air bridge so our relation with the uh with the
11:04with the java jordan armed forces is uh uh following the directors of from his majesty that to use all the
11:14possibility all the capability for all the our entities here in jordan to support people
11:21uh in gaza as much as we can your excellency we've we've we've broached about a lot of things we've
11:29spoken about unawareness of jordan's role as well as you addressing jordan profiting from the aid all of
11:36this misinformation let's transitions to a different topic let's address about the airdrop criticism
11:43i am in opinion that airdrops are at least 100 times more costly than trucks what says you yes of course
11:52we believe in that one the main uh support for gaza is the airdrop is the trucks but uh by the situation
12:01like gaza it is not possibility to deliver to all area in gaza by trucks now situation in gaza they are
12:08pushing for the mass and chaos in gaza by different parts here and there they try to to clear create this
12:16chaos in gaza so i think one of the main goal for for the airdrop is to reach the area that it couldn't
12:26reached by the uh the trucks which go through the the land road so we never stopped the land road but even we
12:34use the the the the the the the airdrop when it is possible for the area which is not possible to reach
12:40by the airdrops this is one point and even the second things that we know that all the people's uh
12:48notes but even the countries we we need a politics uh uh positions for from these countries and now many
12:58of the european countries uh who was before against the the the the the what happened in gaza but they
13:08are not sure what what is the fact now they are most of them sharing in on this uh and as a partner with
13:17with with the airdrops from germany from spain from canada from different countries which can
13:24uh tell the people that there is really uh uh genocide in gaza which can tell them that the fact
13:32in gaza by this airdrop we can open for all over the world uh to share jordan and the others the
13:40possibility to help people in gaza and even to know the truth in gaza what going on in gaza okay let's also
13:49talk about you know the the scale of the humanitarian crisis in gaza and the current number of eight
13:55trucks is simply inadequate so are we expecting an increase very soon we hope that we are trying our
14:03best with all the possibility and all the levels politics levels uh coordination level uh all our
14:10friends which can affect on the decision in israel to facilitate and to increase the amount of the trucks
14:17uh now we receive daily uh daily calls from people in gaza that they are suffering that their children is
14:26uh is dying from the the about uh famine or uh from the hunger so we are trying our best to help them
14:40what is the situation now situation as you know it is very bad we are trying for example today we are
14:47preparing the convoy of 50 trucks but when they try to pass they try to delay for maybe screening for more
14:57than eight hours which it can be takes just three hours and even when they pass through the occupied land
15:04it talks more than seven hours but in fact it can be three hours or four hours and even when they try to
15:11enter to gaza they try to delay even the handling to to gaza so all these uh logistics uh obstacles all this
15:23rejection all this new instruction try to delay try to keep a small amount which is which can be entered
15:32towards that to keep the people in in very bad miserable situations to push them to achieve
15:40uh what they want to from the the war in less your point also leads to my next question this is the recent
16:02article that i read where the head of the un agency for palestine refugees unrwa accused israel of
16:10deliberately creating famine in gaza by blocking aid deliveries and sidelining his agency for five
16:17months your perspective on this yes for sure since uh march of this year the the main border to gaza it
16:25was blocked uh since the pause that we managed through the pause it was before march to deliver the
16:33humanitarian aid but after march they blocked all the the main borders to gaza so nothing entered to
16:40to to gaza by officially uh until very very small amount now we are trying our best to
16:49manage to deliver together so situation in gaza now is going to be genocide from the
16:56uh uh it should be in front all over the world uh all over the world should move to to help gaza and
17:12people we are waiting from the united nation and all over the world to stop the war stop the world for the
17:22honest people now when we talk about more than two uh two million two two and three million keep in just 15
17:30percent of the uh gaza uh uh uh just uh 300 kilometers they keep just 15 of these 300 kilometers to keep
17:42this amount of people in this area and now there is a new announced that they will start to
17:52be occupied or to take uh to control uh gaza city and others so i think we are facing now another
18:01major uh challenge what do you think you know from international perspective do you think all of
18:08the international boards are doing are actually working hand in hand together to solve this for sure
18:15no if they are working hand to hand they can stop the war now but i think what happened and what coming
18:22uh now that all of uh they couldn't manage to stop the war so we are jordan
18:32his majesty doing his best we have two summit here in jordan to support people in gaza one of the main
18:40that his majesty asked is to stop the war to open the the the the border for gaza to help the people
18:47in gaza to go to the uh beast talking uh negotiation instead of this killing people daily so i think
18:57the the the even all the international worlds should uh be together to stop this war let's also talk beyond
19:06gaza jordan continues to host and support a large population of syria as well as police uh palestinian
19:14refugees so how is from your organization sustained it to these vulnerable groups as you know jordan even
19:23we have a different challenge in our uh stressed resources here in jordan we have pressures from all the
19:34destinations but even we never uh blocked our border we open our border to all our brothers from
19:42uh countries uh countries here from syria from al iraq from palestines we have more than 30 percent of
19:51population here is from jordan is a refugees we have 13 camps of palestines uh refugees here in jordan we have
20:02uh with uh with uh with uh with uh uh we have more than 1 million uh 300 000 of our brothers from syria as
20:08a refugees we have from libya we have from sudans we have from all the country more than 50 nationality
20:16here in jordan as a refugees and when we talk about population of jordan we are talking about around 11
20:23millions but even millions but even we try to carry this uh this challenge here in jordan with with
20:32different nationalities okay we have five more minutes before we wrap things up maybe a few more
20:37questions still in the context of beyond gaza in the case of syrian refugees right are there any
20:44individuals or families who remain hesitant to actually return home uh jordan uh since the we received
20:55our brothers from syria here in jordan we try to facilitate their return back uh voluntarily to to
21:02syria as much as we can i think around 100 000 it is the number who returned back by voluntarily to
21:10to to gaza to syria sorry to syria and we still keep uh all this the number here in jordan and even just
21:21maybe 13 percent who still in in the 13 or 14 percent who are still in the camp now most of them spread
21:30all the governorate here in jordan uh since the decrease of the international support coming for the
21:37syrian refugees so one of the main efforts is coming from the government government here in jordan and
21:44with support from the different organization that we are dealing with to to help syrian refugees your
21:52excellency final questions malaysia has been a cornerstone in acknowledging and support gaza how do you
22:00view malaysia's role in this humanitarian effort really uh i extend my deepest grateful and thankful for
22:11malaysia as a government as a people of malaysia who is always uh hand by hand with the with all the
22:20issues here and all the palestine and even for gaza and one of the main organization is our partner is
22:28carisma is uh organization which is uh organization which is stand with us uh to help people in gaza since we
22:35started uh uh our uh humanitarian uh efforts in gaza so uh really on behalf of uh all staff of jiko would
22:48like to thank uh charisma as our partner and of course all the malaysian uh peoples for their support in
22:57gaza and i think they are doing a great effort even in different level and from the humanitarian
23:08side they are doing great thank you your excellency dr hussein mama al-shalvi which is the secretary general
23:15of jordan hashram a charity organization jaco for sharing your valuable insight this has been an eye-opening
23:23session that offer clarity from your side especially in addressing claims that by some parties that
23:29jordan has been profiting um from the delivery aid to gaza i guess that's it i'm pierre nadia for
23:36agenda awani for extra awani assalamualaikum
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