From billion-ringgit mega projects to the potholes we still swerve around, Malaysia’s roads remain a hot topic.
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Whether you’re a road user, policy watcher or a law abiding citizen demanding accountability, this episode unpacks what’s next for Malaysia’s infrastructure.
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In this exclusive episode of Top News Podcast, we sit down with the Works Minister Datuk Seri Alexander Nanta Linggi, to dig into the tough questions the people want answered.
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00:00.
00:30Hello and good morning everyone. It's just about 10.20 a.m. and today I'm interviewing this super amazing person today with us is Works Minister Datuk Sri Alexander Nantalingi.
00:55He is the Capit MP. He's from Sarawak. He's the Secretary General for G Gabongan Parti Sarawak. And he's also the Secretary General for his party.
01:07PBB.
01:09Okay, so the Works Minister. Before we start, I just want to say thank you so much for coming and joining us today.
01:16Thank you for the opportunity.
01:17Okay, how are you?
01:18Fine, thank you.
01:19Sehat?
01:20Sehat.
01:21Okay, how would you describe yourself today?
01:24Today?
01:25Yes.
01:26Well, frankly speaking, when I woke up, I was thinking of my press secretary, Akida.
01:31Okay.
01:32She's going to stress me out today.
01:34Oh my God, why?
01:35Why?
01:36This is rather heavy interviews that I have this morning.
01:39Okay, so we're not going to do a heavy one today, okay?
01:41I hope not.
01:42You're going to be a fun one.
01:43Okay, so I'm going to head straight to the soalan because our topic today is about billions spent on the roads of Malaysia.
01:50But is it really safe with all the insane accidents that's been happening over the past few, let's say the first quarter of the year and the second quarter of the year.
01:58And actually, how do you feel about the whole situation?
02:02Actually, it has to be understood.
02:04Okay.
02:05It has to be understood properly.
02:07Okay.
02:08If you talk about dangers, there's been so many accidents.
02:10Yes.
02:11In Malaysia, we are considered a country that has very high numbers of accidents happening throughout the year, yearly.
02:20Miros, that is a body that monitors and analyzes road accidents.
02:28500,000 accidents in a year.
02:31Yeah.
02:32Okay.
02:33But the serious cases, about 12,000 were serious injuries and death.
02:39Of death, 6,000.
02:42Of 6,000, 4,000 motorcyclists.
02:47Okay.
02:48Yeah.
02:49Now, of course, these figures are high, alright?
02:52Now, the question asks is, is it because of the road condition?
02:57Or what happened?
02:58Uh-huh.
02:59Miros came out with the study.
03:01Huh?
03:02It's a fact.
03:03Okay.
03:0480%, or slightly more than 80%, is not because of the road condition or because of the weather.
03:12Yeah.
03:13Because of the carelessness of drivers themselves.
03:17Okay.
03:18Okay?
03:19Only 13% are considered as because of the road condition and even because of the weather.
03:29Okay.
03:30Yeah, because we have high rainfall and the road becomes slippery.
03:33Uh-huh.
03:34So, what does that mean?
03:35It means very clearly that, uh, our road users must realize that so much depends on them,
03:44uh, that, so that we can minimize accidents or avoid accidents.
03:50Yeah.
03:51Now, what does that call out for?
03:53Yeah.
03:54That means, uh, drive as you should be driving.
03:59Meaning, follow the rules.
04:01Yeah.
04:02If it says, maximum speed 60 kilometers per hour, please drive within 60 kilometers per hour.
04:09Okay, that's okay, but it's kind of slow, right?
04:12Huh?
04:13Isn't it kind of slow if you want to drive within 60 kilometers per hour?
04:15Yeah.
04:16The point is...
04:17I follow the rules.
04:18I follow the rules.
04:19I promise.
04:20It's not about you don't like being slow or you have to rush to someplace.
04:23The speed limit has been systematically set.
04:28Okay.
04:29Yeah?
04:30It's not just, suka-suka, let's let it hard.
04:34Huh?
04:35It is systematically, scientifically, uh, set as this road condition have only this limit.
04:42Yeah.
04:43That means it is for the purpose of making sure that the road is used safely.
04:47Yeah.
04:48So, if you're in a hurry, in a rush for anything, still, you know, it is your responsibility.
04:54You're not only endangering yourself, you're also endangering others.
04:57Actually, that's an interesting question because you mentioned scientifically.
05:00Hmm.
05:01So, like, I've always wondered this, like, the road set, the height limit, the limit set.
05:06Ah, speed limit.
05:07Speed limit, yeah.
05:08For the road.
05:09Does that mean, like, if you go beyond the speed limit, does that mean you're in danger
05:13because the road might not be able to, uh, capacitate your vehicle?
05:18Yes.
05:19But there's a lot of, uh, margin for that.
05:21Okay.
05:22Even you drive, uh, exceeding it, it's still safe to some extent.
05:27Okay.
05:28And the degree of you are...
05:31Risking?
05:32Uh, no, able to control your vehicle.
05:35Okay.
05:36May become a lot, a lot less.
05:38Yeah.
05:39Because the condition of the road does not cater for speed limit more than 60 kilometers per hour.
05:45Uh-uh.
05:46Meaning to say it is probably, you know, a bit downhill, you know, then it is also turning.
05:51Yeah.
05:52So, then, it's dangerous, huh?
05:55Yeah.
05:56So, I think we can avoid a lot of accidents, a lot of, uh, loss of life if our road users drive according to the rules and regulations.
06:07I mean, the most easiest example is a selikuh, right?
06:10Yeah.
06:11Like, a corner.
06:12You're not a...
06:13Not only that.
06:14Not only that.
06:15Nowadays, people also, I don't know, they do magic trick.
06:20They look into their telephone, they do WhatsApp while on the wheel.
06:23Yeah, yeah.
06:24Exactly.
06:25Now, you say, yeah.
06:26Yeah.
06:27Betul.
06:28Look, I can see a lot of people who want to drive, but the head is off.
06:30No.
06:31No, no, no, no.
06:33No.
06:34But it's true, right?
06:35Like, when you're driving.
06:36That is very irresponsible.
06:37Yeah.
06:38Because, you just imagine, if you hit somebody, die, develop, die.
06:42Yeah.
06:43How do you feel?
06:44Exactly.
06:45Yeah.
06:46Exactly.
06:47You might be troubled your whole life.
06:49You're conscious, huh?
06:50Yeah.
06:51Just because you want to replace one message that's not important.
06:53Ah, that's not important.
06:54It's not important.
06:55It's important, right?
06:56Yeah.
06:57Okay.
06:58So, 80% are due to reckless driving by drivers?
07:03I would not say reckless per se.
07:06Reckless.
07:07Irresponsible.
07:08Careless.
07:09Careless, okay.
07:10Sometimes you just be careless.
07:11Not that reckless per se.
07:13Okay.
07:14But whatever it is, you're not driving as according to the rules.
07:17Yeah.
07:18Is there any discussions with your transport, with the Transport Ministry on like, you know,
07:23memperbaiki balik, like, the structure or the syllabus for driving?
07:29Oh.
07:30Or maybe memperketatkan, I don't know.
07:31Something.
07:32Yeah.
07:33That's an interesting point.
07:35I mean, you're right, I think.
07:37But this is nothing new, actually.
07:39Nothing new.
07:40The finding by Miros is nothing new.
07:42So, I'm sure the Ministry of Transport will be on it, you know, to find some better ways
07:49of educating drivers before they get their license and to make sure that they truly, truly
07:57understand their responsibility on the road.
07:59Yeah.
08:00It's vital, right?
08:01It's vital, yes.
08:02Okay.
08:03So, the government recently announced the postponement of toll hikes for 10 highways for this year,
08:11making it the second time for such increases have been absorbed since 2021.
08:15Yes.
08:16Okay.
08:17We're not going to talk about tolls in January, but I just want to know, how do you think this
08:21benefits and impacts the people and also the Ministry's operations?
08:25Yes.
08:26The road users may not realize it.
08:27Okay.
08:28But the truth is, it is really helping them out directly.
08:32Okay.
08:33You see, if the government does not withhold the increase or review of the toll, a review
08:43entails some increase in the toll, the user would be paying the new rates.
08:51Yes.
08:52So, when the decision by the government to withhold, to tell these 10 concession holders,
09:05Alboraya, telling them that you do not increase your rates this year, the government have to
09:15pay more than 500 million ringgit to withhold as a compensation to these toll concession companies.
09:28Yes.
09:29Why do the government have to pay?
09:30Because it is in the agreement.
09:33It is in the agreement.
09:34It is in the agreement.
09:35Yes.
09:36When these companies develop, build, and operate these highways, it is already with a very
09:51meticulous, detailed agreement that spells out what they should do in terms of maintenance,
09:59and what they can do, what they cannot do.
10:02And in the terms, definitely, there is that clause where they are allowed for toll review.
10:10Okay.
10:11Because this is based on their financial model.
10:12Okay.
10:13When they raise funding to build this toll, they have to repay those loans that they take up to build this and operate these highways.
10:24Yeah.
10:25So, meaning to say that this is private funded, but kerjasama with kerjaan, so meaning the government do not, in the first place, come up with billions of ringgit to build this toll.
10:37Okay.
10:38It was initiatives by the private, what we call the companies, and they collect the tolls to repay the development costs, loan that they take up, and also to ensure that they have enough funding for maintenance of the road, so that the roads are safe.
11:07Okay.
11:08And what do you call that, convenient for the use of the people.
11:13Okay.
11:14Okay.
11:15Meaning to say, this, what do you call that, toll, we holding the review upward, directly, actually benefit the people, because the people do not, the road users are not paying what they should be paying if the toll has not been withhold.
11:36Okay.
11:37Okay.
11:38Yeah.
11:39How long will this last?
11:40This is only for this year, 2035.
11:41Yes.
11:42So, January, we may be having a toll increase?
11:43Yeah.
11:44I mean, there are other tolls may, Leboraya may also due for upward review.
11:50Okay.
11:51So, a rakyat must know this.
11:53Okay.
11:54Yeah.
11:55So, adakah, I'm so sorry, but can we expect a toll increase in January?
12:00Well, that depends on the, we will have to decide, the government will have to decide.
12:05Okay.
12:06So, right now, basically, the government belanja rakyat 500 juta.
12:10Yes.
12:11500 million.
12:12I've said it in the parliament, in detail.
12:14Yeah.
12:15It's roughly now, it is mentioned that for anyone on a daily basis, going to and fro, for the rest of the year, probably the saving is about, let's say, on the max highway, I think.
12:30Okay.
12:31Yeah.
12:32The saving is about 1,300.
12:34Sebulan?
12:35No.
12:36Sehari?
12:37For the rest of the year.
12:38The rest of the year.
12:39Okay.
12:40Yeah.
12:41Oh, that's a lot.
12:42Meaning, on a daily basis, you just divide, roughly, the remaining days.
12:46Okay.
12:47Thank you, Kerajaan, for covering us 500 million for the tolls.
12:51Okay.
12:52So, next, you also recently mentioned that the Ministry only receives about 30% of the 4 million needed to operate and manage the country.
12:59Nationwide, right?
13:00No, I said not 4 million.
13:014 million?
13:024 billion?
13:03Billion!
13:04Billion!
13:05Sorry.
13:06Sorry.
13:07Billion.
13:08It's like this.
13:09It must be very clear.
13:10Okay.
13:11Sometimes it's reported wrongly.
13:12Yeah.
13:13I read one article by one media, not so accurate.
13:17Okay.
13:18Okay.
13:19Clarify.
13:20It can confuse the people.
13:21Okay.
13:22And even can incite some marah-marah.
13:25Okay.
13:27You see, what happened is, if we have more than 20,000 kilometers of roads.
13:32Okay.
13:33Federal roads.
13:34Yeah.
13:35Federal roads.
13:36Yeah.
13:37They are state roads.
13:38They are local authority roads.
13:39Yeah.
13:40I'm talking about federal roads.
13:41More than 20,000 kilometers of roads.
13:42That has to be maintained.
13:43Yes.
13:44Yeah.
13:45So, the road has to be maintained.
13:48Now, we need 4 billion ringgit if we were to bring all the roads, all the kilometers of
13:57that road to the standard that it should be.
14:00Yes.
14:01Because we are subject to, I mean, the standard, the international standard of our road.
14:09Yeah.
14:10Our roads are now aging.
14:11Yes.
14:12Menua.
14:13Yes.
14:14Aging.
14:15So, many of the roads are already due for reconstruction.
14:17Okay.
14:18But, we have not been able to do that because of our, what we call that, limited resources funding.
14:25Aha.
14:26So, we need 4 billion if we were to bring the standard of our roads up to what it should
14:31be.
14:32Okay.
14:33Yeah.
14:34Yes.
14:354 billion.
14:36Okay.
14:374 billion.
14:38Not just say, this year 4 billion, not like that.
14:39No.
14:40For the roads.
14:41For the roads.
14:42To do the 20,000 kilometers of federal roads.
14:43Federal roads.
14:44Okay.
14:45But, every year we are only given 1 billion, roughly.
14:47Okay.
14:48Okay.
14:49It means one quarter.
14:50Yes.
14:51A little bit, yeah, more than one quarter lah.
14:53Almost 30%, the most.
14:54Yeah.
14:55Yeah.
14:56So, that means that the, the gap between what we can do and what should be done,
15:03Yeah.
15:04Is widening.
15:05Betul.
15:06Because our road, as years go by, yearly there becomes just like human being la.
15:11Yeah.
15:12You celebrate another birthday, you become older the next year, older.
15:14So, it's aging.
15:16Aha.
15:17So, the graph for the road is going steep.
15:19Going up, okay.
15:20Okay.
15:21But, for the graph, for money that we get to address the issue is a little bit on the, what
15:28you call that, the lower gradient.
15:30Meaning, it's widening.
15:31Mm-mm-mm.
15:32So, that is disturbing lah.
15:33Yeah.
15:34To me.
15:35So, hopefully, and we are working very hard for the understanding by the, out by the government,
15:40so that we should get more than what we usually get so that we can at least close up the gap.
15:46Maybe not be able to 100% close it.
15:49Okay.
15:50But, we can do more in terms of maintenance.
15:54Okay.
15:55For the good of the people.
15:56How, okay.
15:57So, when you treat all this, right?
15:59Yeah.
16:00And we have aging roads, right?
16:01Mm-mm.
16:02That's like aging nation, but also aging roads.
16:03Yeah.
16:04But also, people who drive in there are aging.
16:07How are you going to install all this?
16:09You don't divert our topic into aging.
16:11No, no, no.
16:12I'm not.
16:13People are asking you, how do you wanna, how do you plan to install this positive outlook?
16:18It's okay.
16:19Kita boleh drive.
16:20Selamat lagi.
16:21Tapi, how do you wanna install this idea that people just need to be safe?
16:25Yeah.
16:26So, what's the real issue?
16:29The real issue is, oh, we say road condition is no good.
16:32Yeah.
16:33Yeah?
16:34So, therefore, it causes accident.
16:35Yes.
16:36Therefore, it causes death, injuries.
16:39Alright?
16:40So, what do we do?
16:41Back to what we have discussed earlier on.
16:43Drive carefully.
16:44Look at the road condition.
16:45Yes.
16:46Yeah?
16:47I mean, if the road condition is poor.
16:49Yeah?
16:50Drive more carefully.
16:51Boleh report untuk membaiki ke tak?
16:53Boleh.
16:54I'll come to that later on.
16:55Okay.
16:56Okay.
16:57Talking about road condition.
16:58It's all about how you use the road.
17:01Yes.
17:02Okay.
17:03This has been mentioned to me and I like it.
17:06Okay.
17:07Look at the circuit, Formula One circuit.
17:08Perfect.
17:09Yes.
17:10A gravel, a stone.
17:11Allowed.
17:12It's all swept away.
17:13Perfect.
17:14Do accident happen?
17:15Yes.
17:16Definitely.
17:17Why?
17:18Because, laju sangat.
17:19Because of speed.
17:20Isn't it?
17:21Because of speed.
17:22Yes.
17:23You know, Formula One circuit is the best road surface condition.
17:24Yes.
17:25Yet there is accident.
17:26Yes.
17:27Yes.
17:28Yes.
17:29Yes.
17:30Yes.
17:31Yes.
17:32Yes.
17:33Yes.
17:34Yes.
17:35Yes.
17:36Yes.
17:37Yes.
17:38Yes.
17:39Yes.
17:40Yes.
17:41Yes.
17:42Yes.
17:43Yes.
17:44Yes.
17:45Yes.
17:46Yes.
17:47Yes.
17:48Yes.
17:49Yes.
17:50Yes.
17:51Okay.
17:52Even before I became the minister, there was already some avenues.
17:57Yes.
17:58Yes.
17:59Yes.
18:00Yes.
18:01Yes.
18:02Yes.
18:03Yes.
18:04Yes.
18:05Yes.
18:06Yes.
18:07Yes.
18:08Yes.
18:09the public road users can report the road condition but I want to highlight
18:16when I came in as a minister I did the Panama back and what the city other we
18:22add on what we call my jalan yeah yes this is my jalan this is the so my
18:37jalan was launched by Yamak Brahmat in August 2023 okay initially we meant to be
18:45just a campaign at that time to create awareness of how to use a road safely then
18:53we found out that it became useful because as time goes by the time then
19:03many other ones were made or a complains were made then we realized that we could
19:08see the pattern okay and then every now and then even now the pattern is of the
19:16complaints that we receive only 30% that has something to do with our responsibility
19:21oh okay jalan federal okay 70% is either jalan negeri jalan PBT jalan-jalan lain okay
19:31yeah there are so many categories of road yeah jalan federal road federal road state roads
19:37local trees roads farm roads you know rural roads macam-macam roads lah yeah
19:43so when we see this as something that we can use for various purposes especially on
19:51understanding the need for our budget the need for our funding the need for our
19:56actions on the ground yeah because we made a pledge that if the road surfaces that is
20:06being complainer is on our road or in our road we say that within 24 hours there'll be
20:16someone going in there to make assessment and immediately try and up repair the road okay
20:24but when the complaint is on the road that is jurisdiction of other authorities state
20:33government or PBT we inform them of this we extend this complaint to them but then it's entirely up to them
20:43to take action yeah we that's why we say no wrong door policy meaning any complaints these apps through these apps
20:52we will receive okay at our apa at our center lah yeah and then we filter it then we will determine whether that road
21:05is our responsibility or that damage is under our responsibility or not uh that's why we said no wrong
21:11no policy but unfortunately uh people to take action uh we cannot take everything
21:18yeah under our wing because it's uh to do with the budget yeah yeah because state road they have uh their own
21:25funding yes uh PBT road they have all their own funding yes DBKL road they have their own funding
21:30jurisdiction also plays a role right a lot yeah people may not know that they say everything is under JKL
21:35everything is it's a collective responsibility but unfortunately uh we have to act on the jurisdiction
21:48because funding is involved okay so my jalan you can download it okay then i take this opportunity to
21:56download everybody download uh download uh my jalan uh to your telephone and use it yes we actually want the
22:07rakyat the road users to help us by making reporting uh huh complaints but we also welcome
22:17um if we have a supply to make sure
22:21not to make sure potential um
22:33um i don't know whether melaka i can remember when maybe maybe maybe not
22:38Maybe, maybe, maybe not.
22:39So he says that the persimpanan jalan ni gelap, it's very dark at night because no lamps.
22:46So, dia minta tiga, he asked for three posts.
22:50Our officers went down, we put in, I think, five or seven, something like that.
22:54So he put in his Facebook, he said, ah, ini baru dia lah, kerajaan.
22:59Dia kata, terima kasih, menteri, kita minta tiga, dia bagi lebih.
23:04So, this is good.
23:05That's why we want the road users to help us, to highlight to us what needs to be done.
23:12We have black spots.
23:14Black spots, we have identified black spots throughout the country.
23:18So this becomes our priority because black spots have to be quickly addressed
23:23so that we reduce the possibility of accidents.
23:30Okay, that's good.
23:32Yes.
23:32And positive untuk semua orang.
23:34Semoga semua rakyat pun proactive in getting the road safe, right?
23:39Okay.
23:39We're not scared.
23:41We don't worry about people complain to us.
23:45In fact, we welcome it.
23:46I told our officers, we welcome the complaints because that will help us to know what's the condition of the situation on the ground, kan?
23:54I mean, you cannot think of every single corner of the country, kan?
23:58Yeah, yeah, yeah.
23:58Okay.
23:59So, like, on July 24th, you announced that the ministry will begin appointing third-party auditors for highway maintaining contracts starting next year, 2026.
24:09Yeah.
24:10So, this aims to reduce reliance on JKR and also enhance transparency and accountability.
24:16Right.
24:16Very positive, very good.
24:17You got it right.
24:18You see, what happened is, most of the concessions will expire next year.
24:24Ah, okay.
24:24Yeah, most of the road maintenance concession.
24:27Okay.
24:27I think there are four or five of them lah.
24:29All right.
24:29Yeah, except one expire the year after.
24:32Okay.
24:32So, now we are in the process of drawing up new contract.
24:40Uh-huh.
24:41So, because of that, we have agreed.
24:46I've proposed and officers have agreed to put a new scope into the new contract terms later on.
24:53Um, like you said, the new scope is to, there is to be an appointment of an independent external auditor.
25:02Okay.
25:03Uh, to help us to supervise the quality of the, um, maintenance work done later on.
25:10Okay.
25:10Okay.
25:10As it is now, uh, all these years, there's none, no such, uh, person or body.
25:17At all?
25:17At all.
25:18Okay.
25:18We just rely 100% on our officers, uh, JKR.
25:22Yeah.
25:23And also the, um, officers from the concession themselves.
25:28Yeah.
25:28And then, uh, there is room for a better, um, I would say, uh, control on the quality of the done if we have an external auditor.
25:43Yeah.
25:43I'm not saying our JKR people are not doing their job well.
25:45They do.
25:46Yeah.
25:46But, um, there's still room for improvement.
25:51So, the room for improvement, I can see is we appoint an external auditor, independent external auditor to help us point out whether the job done by the, uh, contractors who repay the job is, uh, a proper, uh, properly, what do you call it, executed or not?
26:13Uh, uh, whether the quality is, uh, to the standard or not?
26:16Yeah.
26:17Yeah.
26:17Yeah.
26:17Yeah.
26:17To just to make sure semua selamat and betul.
26:19So, hopefully, hopefully, these, uh, steps will increase, uh, our quality of, uh, our roads, uh, repair.
26:31Would you consider this a major milestone for your portfolio?
26:34For me, I would like to think this is yes.
26:37Okay.
26:37Hopefully, because hopefully it will save life lah.
26:39Yeah.
26:39Yeah, definitely.
26:40Definitely.
26:41Yeah.
26:41Okay, but is this inspired, were you inspired, what inspired you to make sure benda ni jadi?
26:47Um, well, I tell you what, last year when I put in a cabinet paper.
26:52Okay.
26:53Uh, for, uh, increase in rates, uh, for the contractors, uh, various, uh, work done, the rates have not been increased for a long time.
27:05Uh, uh, then, uh, there's always that complain about, uh, uh, you know, we are paid too little, you know, we cannot, uh, do a better job because
27:16Yeah.
27:46kick out to ensure that our road is in the best quality so then he said yes of
27:53course so if I were to agree he said you must ensure that the contractor do a
28:01proper job there must be not just an increase in the rates but the increase
28:07in the rate should entails the increase in quality and productivity so that is
28:14a commitment that I have to make okay so when the cabinet people was a pro so how
28:20to ensure what Yama Brahmat PM wants how to ensure that the quality will be
28:26increased in how he has been done all along because of the new rates rates at
28:33the meaning to say their contractors are paid better for the for the world and
28:37therefore they must deliver a better quality repairs so this is why it's a
28:46way of my responding to what the Yama Brahmat wanted when he agree in the
28:53cabinet to allow the increase in the rates okay that's interesting that's
28:57interesting sorry okay but we're gonna respond positively okay so I hope your
29:02response positively to my question next is a bit sensitive maybe maybe not on the
29:08pan Borneo highway Sabah corruption allegations against you last me in me in
29:13me you've been very very straight about it you've said it's defamatory basis and
29:20malicious and you even reported you launched your own report so what's the
29:26situation now yeah I mean obviously that is just a fit now yeah yes not true at all
29:34that's why I made the report I'm not afraid yeah yeah if they want to pursue it
29:39you can only be secret no issue with me but as it is like you said there's been no
29:46more mention of it so I don't know I think that was just something made out by
29:55somebody yeah so obviously after I made the report perhaps they realized that what
30:03they were doing is not right and they just forget it okay fair enough with me yeah okay
30:11settle yeah okay so we're gonna go to next question you mentioned about motorcycles being the number
30:16one cause of death eh sorry number one vehicles yang lead to fatal uh the highest rate death uh
30:23motorcyclists yes highest rate death of our motorcyclists so you've mentioned in April May
30:29you mentioned that you we may be looking at um special motorcyclists oh I do I do yeah I'm sure
30:39yes awareness yeah with that awareness naturally we think how best to uh create a better safer
30:48environment uh for the motorcycle using our roads yes the first thing we did is the easiest thing to do okay
30:57uh uh if you remember you may not realize okay we created a shelter self self whatever safe shelter
31:07for motorcyclists uh when they need uh the shelter during when it is raining right okay because all this
31:15while all along without providing for a safe uh area for them they always park at the roadside yeah yeah
31:23and because of that many of them they have been hit uh from the back from behind by cars because uh
31:33visibility will be poor yes and then uh water splashing yeah and they are in the way they get hit
31:39and that lane is also considered emergency lane so sometimes when they stop there there would be some
31:45other motorcyclists going along the same lane uh from from the back and and crash into those people
31:51taking shelter yes that's why we have i think throughout all along about 472 shelters okay that we have
31:59created where they can uh be uh safely yeah be out of the way yeah and and take refuge there during the
32:07rain and without being in danger or being hit yeah so that is the first thing we did the easiest thing to do
32:14we have done 472 okay yeah and uh we want more yeah number two is uh of course uh to build a dedicated
32:27motorcycle lane now to do that of course it's going to be costing us more expensive to build roads
32:35yeah or highways now existing roads it may be very difficult and limited opportunity to do it because
32:44existing roads are already on a limited width and then with the road shoulders and things like that
32:50so we may not be able to create a motorcycle lane okay but wherever we we can create i've been telling
32:57our officers we have to look into possibilities yeah and then that's why we need funding also for that
33:03yeah yes so for new roads uh proposed by private sector or even by the government we would highlight
33:13yeah that look please provide for motorcycle lane but it is not always easy in terms of limitation by
33:24the area lah because to have a motorcycle dedicated motorcycle lane that means the road has to be wider
33:31and and becomes more expensive yeah especially when you build highways yes yeah yes you it is almost
33:38another lane you know it is another lane yeah so it becomes very expensive so if it is expensive then the
33:45toll will be high yeah yeah even though motorcyclists do not pay toll yeah but the cost of providing for
33:51motorcycle lane is gonna be uh is has to be absorbed by the so then the upper uh the toll charge will have to be a higher rate
34:01so this we have to consider too okay yeah we don't want to burden anyone else yeah so to speak yeah so
34:10but nonetheless uh we are and i am fully uh into trying to provide for dedicated motorcycle lane that's why we
34:20look at new proposals we tell them can you provide motorcycle lane without increasing too much of of your
34:27uh propose uh development costs yeah yeah okay and uh another uh very very heart-wrenching incident
34:35happened in may at the greek jelly east highway master the elephant um elephant yeah the elephant incident the
34:43mother crying what's the update on the coordination with the the natural resources and environmental
34:48ministry ministry yeah it's a pity because elephant uh you know they they get on the road they don't
34:57understand i mean i mean uh then they get hit yeah i mean it's not your fault yeah exactly it's not
35:04about you build the roads for the for me yeah my pandangan my i also pity those uh people who hit them
35:14yeah yeah they don't expect an elephant to be on the road yeah they don't expect an elephant to be on the
35:19road yeah but yeah when they cross yeah i'm fortunate for both both sides the elephant pun they're
35:35on the road and then the driver one never expect an elephant to be on the road yeah ah jadi kasihan lah both
35:46both sides kasihan lah so for that particular incident i have not had any latest info now but there is more on
35:54the perhilikan lah you know the kementrian alam sekitar dan sebagainya dia patut bantulah but the road is us i'm not
36:01shuffling my responsibility the road is under us that's why we put up signages to warn the pengguna lah
36:11animal crossing animal crossing animal crossing dan sebagainya but yalah um kalau manusia ni at least
36:22manusia on by themselves they can be careful they they look left they look right look left again yeah
36:28about the cross kan yeah yeah but elephant dia takhati itulah ataupun dari mau but they don't know that so
36:38the burden is entirely on the human being who drives lah yeah
36:43ah kalau kalau human being yang cross mungkin dia pun ada contributory negligence kalau accident
36:49happen. Dia, dia
36:52say, why were he or she
36:53careless? Not watching out if
36:56there are cars coming. Yeah. But ini
36:57apa, I want ni,
36:59I tak boleh lah.
37:01Tapi ada juga
37:03yang hurau lah. Don't, don't get
37:06me. Don't, don't, jangan
37:08marah saya lah. Ada orang kata
37:09mungkin the elephant
37:11did not pay road tax, should not be on the road.
37:14If we can tell them, if they understand,
37:15bagus lah. Kami, itu tak boleh lah.
37:17Ya. Kasihan elephant.
37:20Kasian, kasian. So, you know,
37:22I, I, ya lah. Tigers pun
37:24yang ada, yang tigers yang pregnant. Kan there was
37:26cases where the tiger were pregnant semua kan.
37:28So, hati-hati lah.
37:30Bila, when driving
37:32along those roads where
37:33the areas where
37:36these animals are wandering
37:38around. Ya.
37:39Atu advice ke orang-orang.
37:41Atu advice ke orang-orang drive, be careful.
37:43So, please lah, be careful when you drive in the areas
37:45where the wild animals are wandering around.
37:48But,
37:48we know that
37:51these wild animals
37:53do not know
37:54whether they are wandering into
37:56a danger area for them or not.
37:58But, it is
37:58the honest,
38:00burden is entirely on us,
38:01the human being lah.
38:02To make sure that
38:03they are not
38:04in danger.
38:06Okay. Alright.
38:09We want to
38:09sambung cakap
38:10sepolitik sikit je.
38:11Dua saat je.
38:12That's the end of the works.
38:14Datuk Seri,
38:15I'm going to
38:15ask you some questions.
38:18Back when, in 2020?
38:202020.
38:20That was five years ago,
38:22Datuk Seri.
38:23Can you believe it?
38:24Yeah.
38:24Does it feel five years ago?
38:25It does.
38:26It does, kan?
38:27Betul-betul.
38:28Betul.
38:28So, you were the minister
38:30on the Perikatan Nasional
38:31masa itu.
38:32And then, like,
38:33there was a
38:34pegelutan of
38:35Datuk Seri Anwar
38:36not going to the government
38:37and stuff.
38:38And then, you told him
38:39to behave
38:40like,
38:41don't behave.
38:42Don't behave
38:42like a greenhorn politician.
38:44You have to be
38:44mature about things.
38:46Cakap-cata.
38:46Okay.
38:47Now, that you are
38:49you're
38:50he's the prime minister.
38:51Yes.
38:51My boss.
38:52Yes, your boss.
38:53So, macam mana?
38:54Apa, what's your
38:55experience with him now?
38:56What's your take?
38:58People must understand
38:59that politics is dynamic.
39:01Yes.
39:01It's not starting.
39:02So, different time,
39:05you know,
39:05even one week
39:06is a lot of different.
39:07Even a day
39:08can be
39:08some difference.
39:09Yeah.
39:10What more to say?
39:12Five years.
39:12Five years.
39:13And what more to say
39:14situations when
39:16it is
39:18on the
39:19very uncertain
39:20happenings,
39:21you know?
39:21Okay.
39:22So, at that time,
39:24yeah,
39:25as I said,
39:26we have always
39:28want the
39:28politics
39:29to be stable
39:31in our country.
39:33And, of course,
39:34we cannot
39:35do away
39:36entirely
39:36with
39:37this
39:39competition
39:40trying to be
39:41the government
39:42of the day.
39:44So, we are not
39:45saying that it's
39:46wrong.
39:46But, at that time,
39:48my view is,
39:51as a GPS also
39:52at that time,
39:52we want
39:53federal government
39:54to be
39:55stable.
39:56even though we
39:58were opposition
39:58after we lost
39:59as part of
40:00Barisan National
40:012018.
40:02Yes, betul.
40:02And when
40:03the PH 1.0
40:05themselves
40:05inflicted
40:07the
40:07thing
40:09on themselves,
40:10we were
40:11opposition.
40:11Yeah.
40:12We were not
40:13that
40:14eager
40:15to bring them
40:15down.
40:16Yeah.
40:16In fact,
40:18we went to
40:18the Istana
40:19on our
40:20ISD.
40:21GPS,
40:22we said,
40:23we want
40:23Tun Mahathir
40:25and the
40:26federal government
40:26to stay
40:28and carry on.
40:29Okay.
40:30Why do we
40:30say that?
40:31Why did we
40:32say that?
40:32Because we
40:33want the
40:33federal government
40:34even though
40:35we were not
40:36part of
40:37the federal
40:37government,
40:38but we
40:38still wanted
40:38the federal
40:39government
40:39to be
40:40a stable
40:42federal government
40:42because
40:43we feel
40:44that if
40:45Malaysia
40:45have a
40:46stable
40:46federal
40:46government,
40:48Sarawak
40:48can pursue
40:49our own
40:50agenda
40:51to develop
40:53ourselves
40:53to develop
40:54to be
40:55part of
40:55Malaysia
40:56per se.
40:58I would
40:59say we
41:00were matured
41:00in political
41:01endeavor.
41:03I would
41:03say.
41:04I want
41:05to say
41:06that for
41:06GPS and
41:07we have
41:07a very
41:07good
41:08leader
41:09Datuk
41:10Pentingi
41:11Tansi
41:11Panjohari
41:12and his
41:13team
41:14who
41:16could
41:16see
41:17beyond
41:17just
41:18politicking
41:20trying to
41:20undo one
41:21another.
41:21Yeah.
41:22Yeah.
41:23He
41:23led us
41:26and still
41:26leading us
41:27GPS
41:27on
41:28thinking like
41:30politics
41:31is not
41:33meant
41:33to quarrel
41:34all out.
41:35But
41:35politics
41:35is meant
41:36so that
41:38it's a
41:38system
41:39where
41:40we can
41:40establish
41:41a government
41:41and then
41:42so that
41:43the government
41:43can then
41:44seriously
41:44serve the
41:46country.
41:48So that's
41:49why at that
41:49time during
41:50the
41:50when they
41:51were all
41:52grabbing
41:52trying to
41:53grab and
41:54fighting one
41:55another.
41:55We were
41:56not part
41:56of it.
41:57The GPS
41:58were not
41:58part of
41:58it.
41:59That's
41:59why I
42:00made that
42:00comment
42:00because we
42:01wanted the
42:02federal government
42:02at that time
42:03to be
42:03stable.
42:04But of
42:04course
42:05today
42:05I already
42:06is today
42:07I'm part
42:07of his
42:08government.
42:09What even
42:09more bigger
42:10already is
42:11the election
42:12in 2022
42:13someone
42:14contested
42:15me was
42:15from his
42:16party
42:16in
42:17Kapit.
42:19It was
42:20bitter
42:20but I
42:21knew I
42:21could win
42:22all along.
42:23But who
42:24knew?
42:25Nobody knew
42:26at that
42:26time.
42:27Two weeks
42:27later
42:27I'm a
42:28member
42:29of his
42:29cabinet.
42:30And he
42:30became
42:30prime minister
42:31because of
42:32GPS also.
42:34Kalau
42:34tidak mungkin
42:35tak cukup
42:35numbers at
42:36the time
42:36kan?
42:36So
42:37it's a
42:38win-win
42:39situation.
42:42Why?
42:42Because
42:43Yamak
42:44Brahmak
42:44want
42:45to form
42:47a stable
42:47government.
42:48We
42:48want a
42:49stable
42:49federal
42:50government
42:50too.
42:51So
42:51it's like
42:53we both
42:54want the
42:54same
42:54thing.
42:55So
42:55when I'm
42:56serving
42:56him
42:56in his
42:56cabinet
42:57nominated
42:57by
42:58my
42:59party
42:59PBB
43:00and
43:00GPS
43:00I
43:01do
43:01my
43:01best.
43:02And I
43:02can see
43:03that
43:03he
43:03is
43:03trying
43:04his
43:04best.
43:05He
43:06is
43:07trying
43:07to
43:08improve
43:09what
43:09has
43:10been
43:11all
43:11along
43:11maybe
43:12not
43:13really
43:13that
43:13good
43:13for
43:14the
43:14country.
43:14He
43:14can
43:14improve
43:17the way
43:19things
43:19are
43:19done.
43:20It's
43:21not
43:21easy.
43:22That's
43:22why
43:22he
43:22still
43:23have
43:23a lot
43:23of
43:23criticism
43:24and
43:24sampai
43:24ada
43:25yang
43:25nak
43:25turun.
43:25to
43:26to
43:26me
43:26to
43:27give
43:27him
43:27a
43:27chance.
43:28Not
43:29because
43:29I
43:30want
43:30to
43:30be
43:30member
43:30of
43:31cabinet
43:31for
43:31another
43:31two
43:31years.
43:32It
43:32doesn't
43:32matter
43:33whether
43:33I'm
43:33there
43:34or not
43:34in that
43:35sense.
43:35But
43:36the
43:36government
43:36now
43:37need
43:37to be
43:39given
43:39the
43:39fair
43:39opportunity
43:40to
43:40carry
43:41out.
43:42He
43:42has
43:43already
43:43introduced
43:44policies
43:45that
43:45in the
43:46long run
43:47will
43:47help
43:48to
43:48consolidate
43:49our
43:49economy.
43:50I
43:51know
43:54it's not
43:54easy
43:54for
43:54everyone
43:55to
43:55understand.
43:56That's
43:56why I
43:56said
43:56sometimes
43:57the
43:58thing
43:58he's
43:58doing
43:59is
43:59economically
43:59sound
44:00but
44:01politically
44:02risky
44:03because
44:03risky
44:04kalau
44:05pilihan
44:05raya
44:05orang
44:06marah
44:06we
44:07can
44:07lose
44:07the
44:08election
44:09but
44:10he
44:10pressed
44:11on
44:11because
44:12it's
44:12economically
44:12sound
44:13like
44:13rationalization
44:14of
44:14subsidy
44:16those
44:17who
44:18deserve
44:18get
44:18it.
44:19Those
44:19who
44:19do
44:20not
44:20deserve
44:20it
44:20please
44:20you
44:21don't
44:21have
44:21to
44:22burden
44:23the
44:23government
44:23so
44:25this
44:25is
44:25not
44:25easy
44:26to
44:26convince
44:27the
44:27people
44:27right
44:27and
44:28also
44:29a lot
44:30of
44:30other
44:30things
44:30are
44:30being
44:31reorganized
44:32and
44:33people
44:33who
44:34are
44:34so
44:34used
44:34to
44:34the
44:35old
44:35way
44:35of
44:35doing
44:35things
44:36they're
44:36not
44:37happy
44:38but
44:38unfortunately
44:40sometimes
44:41good
44:41things
44:42are
44:43hard
44:44to
44:44accept
44:45but
44:46like
44:46medicine
44:47when
44:50you
44:50are
44:50not
44:50well
44:51you
44:51don't
44:52like
44:52it
44:53when
44:53you
44:53are
44:53kids
44:53but
44:54then
44:55medicine
44:55is
44:56supposed
44:56to
44:56make
44:56you
44:57better
44:57so
44:59let's
44:59carry
44:59on
45:00let's
45:00just
45:00do
45:01the
45:01chance
45:04to
45:05lead
45:06the
45:06country
45:07and
45:07carry
45:07out
45:07his
45:09strategies
45:09last
45:11question
45:11this
45:12is
45:12the
45:12last
45:12question
45:12back
45:15to
45:15that
45:16I'm
45:16consistent
45:17in my
45:17political
45:18views
45:19when
45:21I
45:21take him
45:22off
45:22that
45:22time
45:23because
45:23let's
45:24say
45:24don't
45:25cause
45:26anything
45:26that
45:26destabilize
45:27the
45:27government
45:28now
45:28that
45:28I'm
45:29part
45:29of
45:29him
45:29still
45:30my
45:31opinion
45:31is
45:32consistent
45:32I
45:33tell
45:33other
45:33people
45:34don't
45:35destabilize
45:36this
45:36government
45:36yes
45:37we
45:38need
45:38a
45:38stable
45:38federal
45:38government
45:39so
45:39I
45:40want
45:45to
45:47be
45:47consistent
45:48in
45:51my
45:51consistent
45:52in
45:53your
45:53views
45:54okay
45:54so
45:55I
45:55know
45:55you're
45:55from
45:55Sarawak
45:56I
45:56know
45:57Sabah
45:58is
45:58on
45:58the
45:58other
45:58side
45:59tapi
46:00the
46:00Sabah
46:00election
46:00is supposed
46:01to be
46:01coming up
46:01by
46:02before
46:02you
46:02end
46:03what's
46:04your
46:04I
46:05know
46:05but
46:05you are
46:06you are
46:07from
46:07the
46:08other
46:08across
46:09the
46:09ocean
46:10across
46:10the
46:11yeah
46:12so
46:13so
46:14okay
46:14okay
46:14okay
46:15mungkin
46:15kita
46:15tak
46:15tanya
46:15apa
46:16nak
46:16jadi
46:16Sabah
46:17tu
46:17tapi
46:17macam
46:17what's
46:18your
46:18take
46:18kalau
46:18siapa
46:19menang
46:19macam mana
46:20political
46:20impact
46:20dia
46:21macam
46:21mana
46:21I
46:23must
46:24admit
46:24that
46:24I
46:24seldom
46:25go to
46:25Sabah
46:26okay
46:26when I
46:26go there
46:27pun
46:27I
46:27just
46:27go to
46:28the
46:28the
46:30construction
46:31side
46:32and
46:33bonio
46:33yes
46:34and I
46:34don't have
46:35much time
46:35sembang-sembang
46:36political
46:37conversation
46:38with my
46:39friends
46:40I have
46:40many
46:40friends
46:41but
46:41very
46:42little
46:43opportunity
46:43to talk
46:43about
46:43politics
46:44so
46:44what
46:45I
46:45know
46:45is
46:45basically
46:45what
46:46is
46:46already
46:47in
46:47the
46:47market
46:48what
46:48is
46:49in
46:50the
46:50media
46:50that
46:51sort
46:51of
46:51thing
46:51so
46:52your
46:54take
46:54your
46:55view
46:55my
46:55view
46:55my
46:56view
46:57is
46:57it
46:57looks
46:57like
46:58in
46:58Sabah
46:59compared
46:59to
46:59Sarawak
47:00in
47:01Sabah
47:03the
47:03political
47:04leaders
47:05there's
47:06so many
47:06of them
47:06on the
47:07same
47:07level
47:08but
47:09in
47:10Sarawak
47:10it's
47:10like
47:10apex
47:11we
47:11have
47:12Tan Sri
47:13the
47:13Terpetingi
47:13on
47:14the
47:14top
47:14and
47:14then
47:14he
47:15has
47:15few
47:17what
47:18you
47:18call
47:18it
47:18there's
47:19a
47:19proper
47:19hierarchy
47:20so
47:21because
47:21of
47:22that
47:22there's
47:23no
47:24competition
47:27too
47:29much
47:30in the
47:30sense
47:30that
47:30destabilize
47:32the
47:32government
47:33destabilize
47:34the
47:34political
47:35scenes
47:36in
47:36Sarawak
47:36we
47:37are
47:37very
47:39stable
47:40people
47:41know
47:42their
47:42place
47:42and
47:43they
47:43know
47:44their
47:44responsibility
47:45and
47:45we
47:46know
47:46that
47:46pokoknya
47:48that
47:50Abang Johari's
47:50leadership
47:51is the
47:52leadership
47:52that
47:53we want
47:53to support
47:54because
47:54he is
47:55very
47:55inclusive
47:56and he
47:57works
47:57very hard
47:58and he
47:58made it
47:59very clear
47:59to
48:00Osakian
48:00that
48:00what
48:01GPS
48:02govern
48:03and what
48:04he is
48:04doing
48:07is
48:07always
48:09for the
48:09good
48:09of the
48:10Sarawak
48:10that's why
48:11kita punya
48:11slogan
48:12Sarawak
48:13first
48:13doesn't
48:16mean
48:16that
48:17we
48:17do
48:17not
48:18care
48:18for
48:18our
48:19friends
48:19all
48:20over
48:20the
48:20country
48:21but
48:22it
48:22is
48:23a
48:23very
48:23clear
48:24mission
48:24to
48:25say
48:25that
48:25we
48:26want
48:26to
48:27uplift
48:28the
48:29standards
48:29of
48:29living
48:30and
48:30of
48:31the
48:31people
48:32through
48:32economic
48:33development
48:34very
48:34clear
48:35I'm
48:36not
48:36saying
48:36Sabah
48:36it's
48:37not
48:37clear
48:37but
48:37there's
48:37a lot
48:38of
48:38corruption
48:38cases
48:39there are
48:41so many
48:41leaders
48:42on the
48:42same
48:42level
48:43everybody
48:44layak
48:44to become
48:45chief minister
48:46in Sarawak
48:47doesn't mean
48:47nobody else
48:48layak
48:48but people
48:50understand
48:50understand
48:51their
48:52their
48:53their
48:53their
48:54Q
48:54in Sabah
48:57mungkin
48:58that
48:58some
48:59Chinese
49:00say
49:00maybe
49:00there are
49:01too
49:01many
49:01tigers
49:01in
49:01one
49:02hill
49:02okay
49:02I want
49:04to quote
49:04you
49:04on that
49:04we're
49:07going to
49:08end
49:08now
49:08but
49:09your
49:10message
49:10for
49:10the
49:11rakyat
49:11because
49:11it's
49:11Merdeka
49:12and
49:12we're
49:12going to
49:12enter
49:13Malaysia
49:13day
49:13your
49:14message
49:14to
49:14the
49:14people
49:15well
49:16as
49:16usual
49:16Merdeka
49:17day
49:17we celebrate
49:18every
49:18year
49:18so
49:19let's
49:20hope
49:20that
49:21as
49:22usual
49:23that
49:23during
49:23Merdeka
49:24day
49:24we must
49:25always
49:25refresh
49:27our
49:27minds
49:27remember
49:28that
49:29Merdeka
49:29day
49:29is
49:30a
49:30significant
49:31day
49:31in
49:32our
49:32lives
49:33in
49:33our
49:33country
49:34because
49:34it
49:35marks
49:35freedom
49:36from
49:37our
49:38former
49:38masters
49:39so to
49:40speak
49:41so
49:41it doesn't
49:43matter who
49:43you are
49:43where you
49:44are in
49:44Malaysia
49:44celebrate
49:45Merdeka
49:46day
49:46I don't
49:47want
49:47to argue
49:49whether
49:50Merdeka
49:50day is
49:50for all
49:51Malaysians
49:52or not
49:52because
49:52Sarawak
49:53and
49:53Sabah
49:54said
49:54on the
49:5531st
49:56August
49:561957
49:57kami
49:58belum
49:59Merdeka
49:59lagi
49:59so
50:00but
50:01let's
50:01not
50:02split
50:02hairs
50:02too
50:02much
50:03but
50:04we
50:05are
50:05given
50:06a date
50:06also
50:06hari
50:07Malaysia
50:0716
50:08September
50:08it
50:10makes you
50:10happy
50:11it does
50:11make us
50:11happy
50:12yes
50:12we celebrate
50:13Malaysia
50:13day
50:14and
50:14then
50:14in
50:17Malaysia
50:17we almost
50:18celebrate
50:19everything
50:19so
50:23my
50:23message
50:23is
50:24Merdeka
50:24day
50:25hayati
50:26apa
50:26dia
50:27makna
50:27Merdeka
50:28thank you
50:29so much
50:30thank you
50:31bye guys
50:32see you
50:33bye
50:34thank you
50:34thank you
50:35for watching
50:35make sure
50:35follow
50:36Sinar
50:36daily
50:36okay
50:37bye
50:49breaking
50:50the
50:50mold
50:51fearless
50:52and bold
50:53we're taking
50:54the lead
50:55empowering
50:56minds
50:57it's
50:57hello
50:57this is
50:58awesome
50:58thank you
50:59thank you
50:59thank you
51:00see in our daily
51:01shining bright
51:03news that's bold
51:05news that's right
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