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00:00:00Mr. Aguilar, thank you so much for joining us. Before I ask you any questions, I want to read
00:00:05what I think is your biography or parts of it, because I want the audience to understand who
00:00:10you are. And so I'm going to read this and you tell me if I've gotten anything wrong.
00:00:16So you're a retired lieutenant colonel in the United States Army. You went to West Point. You
00:00:20got your commission in the Army straight out of West Point. You served for 25 years in the U.S.
00:00:25Army as a combat infantry officer and a special forces, a Green Beret officer.
00:00:30You were deployed 12 times to Iraq, three times, Afghanistan, three times. You were deployed to
00:00:37Syria, Tajikistan, Kazakhstan, Jordan, the Philippines, Malaysia, Thailand, Cambodia, and Vietnam.
00:00:44You saw combat in many of those venues. You're highly decorated. You were wounded in combat,
00:00:50received a Purple Heart. You got a bronze star for valor in combat, an Army Commendation Medal for
00:00:56Valor in combat. And then earlier this year, you found yourself working in Gaza under GHF. And I'll
00:01:03ask you to explain what that is in a moment. You were in Gaza from the 17th of May this year, 2025,
00:01:09through June 26th, 2025, which was last month. Is all of that correct?
00:01:15That is correct, sir. And the reason that I wanted to establish that before you tell the story that
00:01:22you're going to tell us is because very, very few Americans have been in Gaza in the last couple of
00:01:29years. And I don't know any others who have the experience in chaotic situations and combat situations
00:01:37that you have who've been there. And I think that really matters. Anyone who's been around combat knows
00:01:42it's enormously confusing. And having 25 years of experience around violence, I think, gives you
00:01:47greater credibility because it suggests you can interpret what's happening accurately in a way
00:01:52that people who haven't had that experience probably can't. So with that, I want to ask you
00:01:58the first and most obvious question. What is GHF in Gaza?
00:02:02So the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation was established to take over the aid distribution
00:02:12into Gaza, replacing the former United Nations aid delivery mechanism post blocking or cutting off
00:02:25of the Gaza enclave. So there was no aid going in up until May 26th when we started operations. And
00:02:34the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation was established to lead that effort overall. So the Gaza Humanitarian
00:02:42Foundation, I'm not sure in terms of what their actual status is in terms of a company or an NGO
00:02:50or a nonprofit. I don't know what they're classified as, but I know that their GHF is the overall lead
00:02:57for both of the contract mechanisms in Gaza.
00:03:04So after 25 years as a U.S. Army officer, West Point graduate, special forces officer, all these combat
00:03:11deployments, all the decorations that you received, how did you wind up distributing aid in Gaza?
00:03:16Well, sir, on May 13th, I received a phone call from the UG Solutions. UG Solutions is a subcontract
00:03:26for the security portion of this aid distribution method. They're stationed here in Davidson, North
00:03:32Carolina, where I live. I retired out of Fort Bragg, and they contacted me basically looking for
00:03:40experienced, recently retired or recently gotten out of the military, experienced
00:03:45combat veterans, special forces operations background. So they contacted me and explained
00:03:53the mission to me. Up until that point, until I got that phone call, I was not aware of what UG
00:03:58Solutions or the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation was. So I was interested and I listened to what they had
00:04:06to say.
00:04:06The reason I'm asking you this is I know that after this interview airs, there will be a concerted attempt
00:04:13to discredit you as a man. And I'm certain, having seen this happen many times, that one of the
00:04:19criticisms we levied against you is that you were some sort of political activist with a political axe
00:04:24to grind or an ideological axe to grind. Are you? Because it sounds like from the story you're telling now
00:04:31that you were a retired army officer who received a call because of your combat experience. Is that
00:04:36correct?
00:04:39Prior to that phone call on the 13th of May, sir, and remind you, I did retire on the 1st of January.
00:04:44I didn't retire years ago. Retired through the 1st of January, and my last day in the army was one
00:04:49March. I was very happy and content. My wife also served a career in the military. She is a retired
00:04:58career military officer. Between the two of us, we have 45 years of service. Between her and I with
00:05:03my son, we've missed almost every birthday, every anniversary, every Christmas from the time that he
00:05:08was born to the majority of our marriage. And we're still married 17 years later. So I was very much
00:05:15comfortable and established in my retirement lifestyle. No political aspirations, no aspirations
00:05:20to go into another line of work. I'm starting school in the fall. That was my aspiration.
00:05:24I enjoyed making breakfast for my family, taking my son to school every morning,
00:05:31Boy Scout meetings, PTO meetings, watching the Golden Girls in the afternoon with a cup of tea,
00:05:35walking the dog. That was my life. And I was very content. When I got the phone call,
00:05:41I felt that initially, because I didn't know much about the situation, when they first called me,
00:05:47I said, hey, I'd like to take a day to kind of do my own research and just kind of understand what
00:05:52it's all about. My answer is not no, but my answer is not yes. So I took the day. I took the
00:05:56rest of the day. I believe it was a Wednesday. And I went through the, you know, I started to read
00:06:00about GHF. Not a lot out there. I started to read about Safe Reach Solutions, which is the prime
00:06:06contract. Not a lot out there. I read a little bit about UG Solutions. UG Solutions had been the
00:06:12contract that sent contractors into Gaza in late January through March to control the Netzerim
00:06:19checkpoint once the ceasefire broke or the ceasefire started, I should say, for the Palestinians
00:06:24that were allowed to then go back into Gaza City. So they had some credibility. They had,
00:06:29it seemed like not many people had done contracts in Gaza. UGS did. So I figured that this would be
00:06:37an opportunity to link up with a company that had the experience. But I was more interested in the
00:06:44mission. I say this again, and I've said it again. You know, I don't know Johnny Moore, the director or
00:06:50CEO or whatever the title is of the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation. But there is something that he said that
00:06:56I do agree with, that there's nothing more Christian than feeding people. Yes. And in terms of the
00:07:02sentiment of doing goodwill, feeding starving people, I served for the majority of my career after
00:07:08being an infantry officer and going to special forces, the special forces motto, as you see in
00:07:13the picture behind me of first special forces group, is de oppresso liber, to free the oppressed.
00:07:20That is our motto. I don't just, I just didn't have that on my uniform. I live that.
00:07:27The civilian population in Gaza, politics aside, political views, religious positions aside,
00:07:36they are being oppressed. Food, water, education, life, dignity. And I wanted to be a part of going
00:07:45in to help in some way. So I have no political aspirations. I have no political leanings. I have
00:07:51no desire to write a book or before doing these interviews, I don't even have social media and
00:07:58I've never really been out on the internet. This is all very overwhelming for me. But my wife was a big
00:08:04factor behind me going on the record. My wife being, again, a retired military officer,
00:08:09we understand a lot of the same values. And she explained to me, she said, you know,
00:08:13no one else can tell this story. No one else was there. Not only were you there, you were on the
00:08:18sites and no one else saw it through the eyes of your experience. In the places you've been,
00:08:22in the places you've, in the things that you've done, the lens you look at this through is different
00:08:27than most people have. You need to go on the record. The American people need to know this.
00:08:33My motivations in this are patriotic. I want to inform the American people, my fellow citizens,
00:08:41of what's going on in Gaza, what our taxpayers' dollars are funding, and what American citizens
00:08:47on the ground are being faced with. America needs to know.
00:08:51So tell us what you saw. And I'm grateful to your wife for her encouragement on that. I think
00:08:59she's absolutely right. The United States is paying for this. And there is almost no information coming
00:09:04out of Gaza. The news media, of course, are barred. It's been going on for more than a couple years
00:09:09now. It'll be three years in October. And the sense is that there's something profound going on. But
00:09:15of course, there's no way to know what's going on. So what did you see when you arrived? What were
00:09:19your perceptions of Gaza? So my initial perceptions of Gaza, just in terms of the physical aspect,
00:09:28is that I would just describe it as post-apocalyptic, something akin to Terminator 2,
00:09:35when the T-100s are walking through the destroyed landscape. It's human depravity. It's the oppression
00:09:44of dignity. It's the entire area. For example, in the south, in Rafa, I saw pictures of Rafa
00:09:53prior to the current war. And there were nice buildings. There were beach resorts. There were
00:10:00streetlights and neighborhoods. And now it is leveled to the ground. There is not a building that stands.
00:10:07And the rubble is piled up. And as you drive through Rafa to one of our points, secure distribution
00:10:15site number three was in Rafa. So we would have to drive through the old southern Rafa corridor to
00:10:22get there. And all of the homes just in piles and rubble. And you can see someone's couch that's
00:10:30hanging from a piece of rebar out of the second floor of a building or a refrigerator smashed or
00:10:34family photos that were on the wall that are now shattered and broken. These lives were just
00:10:39destroyed and taken. And that's the scene of Gaza. On the news, airdrops were conducted over the last
00:10:4948 hours. And journalists were prohibited or encouraged not to take video or pictures of the
00:10:57overhead scenery. Because if the world sees that, I think the world would step back and pause to say,
00:11:03what are we doing? What have we become?
00:11:08You've spent your life in combat zones. That's why I think your testimony is so compelling.
00:11:13Because you have a frame of reference. You've seen a lot of destruction and a lot of killing in your
00:11:17life for 25 years. How would you compare what you saw in Gaza to what you've seen in, say,
00:11:21Afghanistan or Iraq?
00:11:22Nothing compares. Nothing I have seen in Iraq, in Afghanistan, in Baghdad, in Mosul, Sadr City,
00:11:32all throughout Afghanistan, Syria, the Southern Philippines, some places where there's dense
00:11:37populations. I have never witnessed anything as brutal, destructive, violent. And I would say that
00:11:47that steps far over our international laws of how we persecute wars and how we engage in warfare,
00:11:57we've long departed from that standard. And America is a part of it.
00:12:03How is it obvious that America is a part of it? I know that we know academically the United States
00:12:09is paying for this and has always paid for it. But do you see American weapons? Do you see American
00:12:16military personnel? I mean, how enmeshed in this are we?
00:12:19So the 314 government contractors under UG Solutions, the majority, not all of them, but in
00:12:30the high 80th, high 80 percentile, are combat veterans from the military, directly from the
00:12:37military combat veterans like myself. You have a mix of law enforcement. You have a mix of people that
00:12:43had experience in various security backgrounds. Within that military portion, there's a good portion of
00:12:48them that are special operations, Marine Corps, Navy SEALs, Green Berets. So all of the contractors
00:12:54on the ground are Americans. And the, you know, the interesting part of that is that when we first
00:13:01entered Israel, I was, I kind of had to take a pause and I was like, are we, are you kidding? Like
00:13:08we were all, we were and are, we are in Israel, armed with fully automatic weapons and pistols and
00:13:15shotguns and stun grenades and, and machine guns going into Gaza on a tourist visa. We are there
00:13:24on a tourist visa. So if my grandmother wanted to go visit Jerusalem, she would be in Israel under the
00:13:30same status that I was. Why is that?
00:13:33Um, at first I didn't understand it, but then I went and I did some research as to why,
00:13:40why didn't we do a, a B1 entry visa as subject matter experts invited by the government or
00:13:46under a different authority. There's, there's various entry visa options. And it dawned on me that,
00:13:52oh, well, if you want to submit for a, a form of B1 or a different form of the B2 under a work visa,
00:13:59um, one that's expensive and two that takes time. You have to coordinate that ahead of time.
00:14:05And this mission was thrown together and there's, there's no one within SRS or UG solutions that will,
00:14:11that will, that will push back against this because we all know it. It was, it was thrown together
00:14:16very hastily. And it was just kind of a mix of throwing so many parts together, trying to get it
00:14:23all to come together that I think things were done to be, to be fast, fast and loose as I would call
00:14:29it. And, uh, one of those was, hey, go online, fill out your Israeli visa, get your e-visa, tourist visa,
00:14:36$25 and come on over to Israel. You said all of the contractors are American. Um, the Israeli
00:14:45military, the IDF leveled Gaza. Are there any Israelis helping to feed or take care of,
00:14:55sustain the life of the Palestinians or is it all Americans who were, who were helping?
00:15:02So this is what was another aspect that was both interesting and concerning to me that,
00:15:09that, and I raised this issue early on because, you know, when I, when I use the term war crimes,
00:15:14people think that, oh, you're just exaggerating. Well, I'm well-versed in the protocols, the
00:15:19Geneva convention, the protocols of the alarms of laws of armed conflict, the protocols of
00:15:24international humanitarian law, because I had, I had to know those things as an officer leading men
00:15:29in combat. I didn't have the option. Ignorance was not an option. So I, some of the things now I
00:15:35don't have it, you know, memorized, but there's some pretty key elements in it that kind of stand
00:15:39out. Like the, I don't know the, every word to the constitution, but I can recite the preamble.
00:15:43So I know what some of them are in terms of like what, like what the don'ts are.
00:15:48One thing that struck me as, as concerning is that there are only four secure distribution sites
00:15:55in Gaza under the Gaza humanitarian foundation, four prior to the blockade. And prior to the stopping
00:16:01of UN aid going in, there were 400. So out of the four sites that we have only four, three of them
00:16:10are co-located within 150 to 200 meters from each other. All of them in the far southwest corner
00:16:19of the enclave near the Egyptian border. It's nowhere near the people that need it. North of
00:16:27the Netzerim corridor, which bisects central Gaza from the north. In the north, you have Gaza City
00:16:32and Jabalia. That is where the population right now is the most vulnerable, where you have deaths,
00:16:39starvation, they're isolated. No aid is going into there and there's no aid sites there. So prior to
00:16:48us deploying, you know, as a, as a prudent military planner mindset, you know, I'm not in the army
00:16:54anymore, but I didn't, you know, I still carry the skills. I did a little bit, what I would call
00:16:58operational preparation, the environment. I did my research, looked at Gaza, figured out the
00:17:04population, where the population centers were, what, what people ate, where they, you know, where
00:17:11they primarily lived and what they did. And I saw that, okay, well, the entire northern enclave of Gaza
00:17:17is cut off and isolated. And none of the sites that we've put in are in that area. So who are we
00:17:24providing aid to? So the three sites out of the four that are all the way down in the southern tip
00:17:32of the enclave, all of them are co-located or co-nearly located with an IDF combat unit.
00:17:41In that area is where the IDF is actively conducting. And this is, this is not an opinion
00:17:47that anybody can refute. This is a fact. You can look it up. The IDF is currently conducting
00:17:54Operation Gideon's Chariots. It's an offensive operation. It's not a defensive, it's not a
00:18:00security, it's not an aid operation. It is an offensive combat operation. And they are conducting
00:18:05that in the south where all three out of the three or four sites are located. We established
00:18:12secure distribution sites to deliver and distribute humanitarian aid, not only co-located with Israeli
00:18:20combat units, but located in an active combat zone. I can't make it clearer to the leadership there
00:18:28and to the lawyers that I've spoke with at GHF and UG Solutions that that is a war crime verbatim
00:18:35out of the protocols of the Geneva Convention, which last time I checked, the United States was still a
00:18:39signatory to, and the laws of international laws and law, international humanitarian law.
00:18:46Clearly, there's no question about it. So to say that, well, it's, it's okay in this one instance,
00:18:52it's not, it's not okay. So just from immediately being there, I realized that, that the planning and
00:19:00the coordination of this operation had either been done by people that had no idea, no concept of
00:19:06planning at that level to take into all the considerations that we have to take into an
00:19:10environment like this. You can't just go into a mission like this and say, oh, we'll just wing
00:19:13it. You have to consider the legal, the political, the environmental, the cultural, the military
00:19:20aspects. You have to consider every aspect when you go into planning something like this. And it was
00:19:26obvious that that had not been done. So in my mind, I was like, this is either complete
00:19:32ignorance or it's intentional. They were intentionally put here. So I don't know the
00:19:39answer to that. Someday that's going to come out when, when the truth breaks and, and the
00:19:43international community looks in, opens this box and starts digging into this nasty problem,
00:19:48the truth will come out. So it's my hope that we didn't do that intentionally because that would
00:19:53not only make us war criminals, that would just make us evil. So, but the fact still remains,
00:19:59three of the four distribution sites are in an active combat zone. The fourth site up in central
00:20:04Gaza near the Nasserine corridor is co-located with an Israeli combat unit, a tank unit, mind you,
00:20:10a Markaba tank company is located adjacent to the distribution site. So if someone were to look
00:20:17through the annals of history and see how the United States government participated in the
00:20:20distribution of humanitarian aid to the people of Gaza, and they look at the maps and they're looking
00:20:25at everything, they're like, what was going on here? Why, why are you distributing humanitarian
00:20:29aid in the middle of a combat zone? It's a question that needs to be asked and needs to be answered.
00:20:34I think.
00:20:35Do you have any sense of what the current population of Gaza is, which is another way of asking how many
00:20:42people have been killed? How many Palestinians have died in Gaza? Do we know?
00:20:47Well, we, I don't think anyone has a, has a firm number that we can all collectively trust. I know
00:20:55that the, the Gaza health ministry has a, has a number. I mean, I can't, I haven't been able to
00:21:01validate or verify that, but I know that, um, one thing I can tell you for a fact is that people have
00:21:06been killed. I've seen it. It's a fact. People have been killed. What the current population is now,
00:21:12I know that prior to the blockade, kind of the last census for Gaza that was taken in, I believe,
00:21:182018, the population was declared to be around 2.2, 2.21 million. What it is now, I don't know,
00:21:27but I would assume that the population has been greatly decreased. What I do know about the
00:21:31population outside of the demographics of it, of the size is that the majority, a far majority of the
00:21:37population is completely isolated from the central Southern portion of Gaza. And they're completely
00:21:43isolated in the South or excuse me, in the North, North of the Nassarim corridor in Gaza city. So
00:21:49that would be, if you took everybody in New York and crammed them into this, to Southern Manhattan and
00:21:54said, that's the only place you can be out of all of New York city. It's, it's a nightmare. And I,
00:22:01and I don't know why, well, you know, to be fair, I do know why it's happening. I don't know why we're
00:22:07accepting it. I don't know why we're a part of it because it's, it's a war crime to do that. It is a
00:22:15war crime to intentionally displace the civilian population on the battlefield and combat operations.
00:22:22What is displacement? Well, moving people from where they live to a place that they don't and not
00:22:27letting them go back. It's in the fourth protocol, the Geneva convention. And we just turn a blind eye
00:22:33to it. It's happening. I mean, Netanyahu himself has said it yesterday. Gaza humanitarian foundation
00:22:40did a press conference where they even introduced it as we are feeding the starving and displaced
00:22:44population of Gaza. Okay. Thank you. Chapin Faye. You just admitted to a war crime. You're displacing
00:22:50the population. I mean, it's, these aren't rules that Tony Aguilar wrote. These are rules that the
00:22:56international community wrote and agreed to, and we're not following them. Now, what the IDF does
00:23:02is that on us per se at the strategic level, I think it would be as one of our allies,
00:23:07but at the ground level, maybe it's not, but we are definitely complicit in this ongoing operation.
00:23:14And when the world looks, look at, look what's happened in the last couple of days. France is
00:23:18going to recognize them. Canada is going to recognize them. The United Kingdom is about to recognize
00:23:23them. The reasons why in the politics aside, the fact that they're going to do that is a fact.
00:23:28That is a reality. So the world is going to become far, far more interested in what's going on,
00:23:35because I think the world has taken the blinders off to now look, okay, maybe it's not as bad as
00:23:41the far left says, or it's not as good as the far right says, but something's going on here. Like
00:23:46something stinks in Mudville. Like we got to take a look at this. And when they look at it and they open
00:23:51that box, the IDF, the Israeli government with hands in the air, they're going to go,
00:23:58wasn't us. America helped us do it. It's their money. And then the world's going to say, what say
00:24:04you America? And right now we do not have a good answer for that. And if we're going to bank on,
00:24:10oh, well, we didn't know, or we just did what the IDF did. Shame on us. Shame on us. That is not
00:24:18the American way. Those aren't American values. We don't kowtow to somebody else's standards.
00:24:24We set the standard.
00:24:30Thank you, Colonel, for doing this interview. How are people eating in the North? If there's
00:24:35one distribution center in the middle of a combat zone and the majority, you say you think the
00:24:39majority or certainly a big chunk of the population is in the North or Central Gaza,
00:24:44in Northern Gaza, how are they eating? Great question.
00:24:52I don't know.
00:24:55Is the Israeli government bringing food in?
00:24:59I do know that the Israel, so within the Israeli government, there's an organization called
00:25:05Kogat. It's at the government ministerial level that includes, it would be, I would compare it to
00:25:12what USAID was if USAID belonged to the Ministry of Defense or the Department of Defense, like
00:25:18militarized aid type of thing, or militarized humanitarian assistance. That's how I would
00:25:22describe it. But it's an organization called Kogat, C-O-T-A-G. It's an acronym. I can't recall
00:25:27it off the top of my head because I didn't have much interaction with them. But I know that Kogat
00:25:31does coordinate for the IDF. So not the UN escorted by the IDF, not the IDF escorting us,
00:25:41but escorts humanitarian aid trucks that we provide, GHF trucks. We will provide some to
00:25:49the Israelis to drive into certain areas of the central corridor. In my time there, until recently,
00:25:56until like just the last couple of days when the UN trucks were allowed to go into the north. So
00:26:01when you see the trucks on the news that are being swarmed with thousands of people,
00:26:04that's not in the south by the three distribution sites or central Gaza. That's north of the Nessarin
00:26:12corridor. So those trucks aren't coming in from the Egyptian border going all the way up and they're
00:26:17getting just attacked all the way. They're going directly into the heart of darkness. They're going
00:26:21through the Erez crossing, which is the Israeli-Gaza crossing to the north, and they're going directly
00:26:26in with aid to a starving population that hasn't had any food for months. So what they're eating,
00:26:32what they have been eating, I don't know. And I think that when with the UN going back in there,
00:26:38and with the international community going back in there, we're going to find some things that
00:26:42it's not going to be pretty. I mean, that reckoning is coming. The people in the northern portion alone,
00:26:51I know are facing mass starvation. Now, I'm not educated in humanitarian assistance or world food
00:27:00program in terms of what declares a technical state of famine. I know there's like a certain level of
00:27:06not eating for a certain amount of days within a population that equals famine. So I don't know if
00:27:12I could technically call it a famine because I don't know what those rules are, but I would call it
00:27:16starvation. And I'm glad that the president of the United States came out yesterday on Politico and
00:27:25other outlets and said that he acknowledges and recognizes the starvation in Gaza. Thank you,
00:27:30Mr. President. That is exactly what's going on. The narrative of there's no starvation and there's
00:27:38no hunger going on in Gaza, that is negligent. That is shameful that anybody would say that.
00:27:46Not only is it evident to the world, I've seen it. So if you don't trust doctors and lawyers and
00:27:55aid workers and NGOs and Europeans and Westerners and Middle Easterners and all these people all over
00:28:03the world, Asians, everybody that's been in there that has seen this problem set, if you don't believe
00:28:08them, you can believe me. I'm an American. I was there. I have no agenda in this. I witnessed
00:28:15Palestinian parents, men and mothers and fathers carrying their dead children in their arms,
00:28:22skeletons. I witnessed that. I've witnessed people that have come onto the sites that you can see
00:28:30that they are just completely emaciated and starving. That's not fake. So if the deniers want
00:28:38to think that we got Stanley Kubrick to go into Gaza and take a bunch of crisis actors and shoot a film
00:28:42on to, you know, to fake this starvation, but it's real and people are dying
00:28:49at this point right now, because we, the United States, the Gaza Humanitarian Fund put up our hand
00:28:57and said, we'll do it. The starvation at this point has gotten worse than it was before
00:29:02because the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation's process is leading to that starvation because it's not
00:29:10delivering enough aid, not even nearly enough, not even nearly to be, to be a fraction of enough.
00:29:17And I've got those numbers quick to talk about if you'd like, but it's shocking when you hear the
00:29:21numbers. I would. I would. And I would be interested at some point to learn a lot more
00:29:27about the Gaza, about this foundation, Gaza Humanitarian Foundation. I would too. I think,
00:29:32I think the, I think the world would like to know more about the foundation. The man who runs it,
00:29:36it was a prominent Christian Zionist is, I don't think he has a background in, in aid distribution.
00:29:43He strikes me from reading about him as a political figure. So I, I, I'm a little bit confused by this,
00:29:50but it sounds like we all have reason to be alarmed by it. So if you could proceed with
00:29:54those numbers. We should be alarmed by it. Grateful. I, I'd feel safer. I'd be safer grading a
00:29:59driving test by Ray Charles than listening to Johnny Moore talk about humanitarian assistance.
00:30:04He has no background in there. Have you met Johnny? I'm sorry to laugh. Have you met Johnny Moore?
00:30:11I have not sat down and had coffee with the man. I saw him when he came to the main control center in
00:30:18Gaza to, to visit and then go out on a little, uh, uh, photo op to site one. So they brought him in
00:30:25under, you know, heavily armed security. It's like kind of the, one of the things when the,
00:30:28when the in-laws visit, you put out the good towels. So, you know, when Johnny Moore visits,
00:30:34you know, you, you, you roll out the red carpet. So of course, when he gets there, everything's great.
00:30:39Everything's spick and span. Um, but the other, what's funny is that it wasn't spick and span
00:30:44because while he was there and another of the, um, uh, supporters that they brought in a Lieutenant
00:30:51Colonel, um, British army, I don't know him. I've never met him, but I've seen some of his
00:30:55interviews on site as he's standing there talking, you can hear machine gun fire in the background.
00:31:00I mean, it, it, it's akin to Baghdad Bob in 2003, proclaiming on CNN that there are no Americans in
00:31:08Baghdad as an M1 Abrams tank rolls right behind him. There are no, there are no Americans in Baghdad.
00:31:14And then Abrams tank come from the third ID, he comes right behind him. And he looks back and
00:31:18he's like, okay, there are some Americans in Baghdad. Like that's like, like, that's like
00:31:24what this is right now. It's like, no one's starving in Gaza. Well, that person looks like
00:31:29they're starving. Okay. There's, there's some people starving in Gaza. It's like, when is America
00:31:34going to wake up to the, to the garbage? This is real. Like people are dying. So yeah, the, I I'd love
00:31:42to know more about the Gaza humanitarian foundation. Not a lot of people can figure
00:31:45anything out. I'd love to. And the thing is, is that not revealing your sources, not revealing
00:31:50who you are, not revealing where your income comes from, not revealing who your backers are,
00:31:55not revealing what you do, not providing in your reports, not providing reporter, not allowing
00:31:58reporters to go in, not providing, um, transparent looks at your operation. You know, who else does
00:32:05things like that? North Korea, Russia, China. Are those, are those the people that we want
00:32:13to say that we're like, no, America is founded on transparency. Our country was founded on calling
00:32:19out other people's bull crap, calling out other people's, you know, like, Hey, that don't look
00:32:25right. T-tax, nah, not paying that. Not going to put up with that. America is founded on that.
00:32:32And yet we're just sitting by and letting this happen and going back, you know, so I have not
00:32:38met. Let me just ask, do you know who is funding the Gaza humanitarian foundation? Is it, it's an
00:32:45arm of the state department? It's independence and NGO. What do you know where the money comes from?
00:32:50I don't, who, who is funding it from its base and like who has funded it from the beginning and who
00:32:55put the, uh, you know, the, um, the seed money into getting it off the ground. Um, I have no idea,
00:33:00but I do know that many, many, many, many people in the United States government and within the,
00:33:05you know, media outlets have been working for quite a long time to try to figure that out.
00:33:09One indicator for me, you know, it's like when you're looking at a problem, I call it like
00:33:13Occam's razor. When you can't figure out what you're trying to find, but you can see the things
00:33:19that are there. It starts to tell you a picture of what the thing is that you can't see. It's like,
00:33:23yes, the science of a black, of a black hole, right? Like you can't see it,
00:33:27where you can see everything that's happening around it to tell you, to tell you what's
00:33:31happening. So I would say in this, okay, we have the Gaza humanitarian fund living
00:33:36led by a, uh, a Christian Zionists who has no experience in humanitarian assistance and
00:33:44humanitarian aid. The Switzerland, Switzerland would not take GHF's accounts. Switzerland,
00:33:52Switzerland would even open account for Jeffrey Epstein. Yeah. And they won't open one for GHF.
00:33:57That's, that's telling. Like, that's like, whoa, that, that don't pass the sniff test.
00:34:04Furthermore, the number one guy in charge of GHF, Gaza humanitarian foundation, Jake Wood,
00:34:10who was a former employee in the beginning of, um, the early, uh, paramilitary contractor
00:34:15Blackwater days. I don't know if he was necessarily attached directly to Blackwater, but I know he was in
00:34:20that contractor realm, Jake Wood, the very first day we began distribution on 26th May, cutting of
00:34:26the ribbon, the golden shovel, the shotgun start for the marathon. You know what Jake Wood did?
00:34:32I'm out. Not going to be a part of it. The guy in charge of the entire Gaza humanitarian
00:34:37foundation on the day we started distribution for this mothership project quit and he quit and he
00:34:42stepped down citing reasons of unethical practices, not being prepared to execute this mission
00:34:49properly. And that's exactly what it is. So, and then a couple of weeks later, uh, Boston
00:34:56consulting group, they stepped down because they found out that there was things going on that
00:35:00were, that weren't initially conveyed to them in the contract. So, so they left. So when everyone
00:35:05starts jumping ship, you kind of start to look around, like, where's the hole? Like right now,
00:35:10I feel like the United States that we're just, we're just rearranging the chairs on the deck of
00:35:15Titanic. It's snapped, it's going down. And instead of like trying to figure out how to get to a lifeboat
00:35:20or trying to figure out how to call for help, we're just, we're just rearranging the deck chairs,
00:35:24listening to the band as the, as the ship goes down because we, we believe what people like Johnny
00:35:29Moore say. Um, and it's easily, I wouldn't say it's discredit discreditable. I'm not out to discredit
00:35:36anyone. I'm just here to present facts, facts that GHF themselves have proclaimed. So yesterday
00:35:44and when, when Chapin Fay finished the Gaza humanitarian foundation press conference of
00:35:51which they took no questions. When he finished, he said, we're going to get back to work delivering
00:35:5520, 26, 96 million meals to date. We should not be celebrating that. That is not a mark to congratulate.
00:36:04That's, and here's why we've been delivering aid from heat. When he announced that yesterday,
00:36:12we've been delivering aid for 65 days, 65 days. Now you don't have to be Copernicus to figure this
00:36:21out. 96 million divided by 2.21 million divided by three meals a day divided by 65 days. We have
00:36:31provided food for 15 days out of 65 into the enclave. What happened to the other 50 days?
00:36:40So to say that people aren't starving and people aren't hungry, I beg to differ that, that, that,
00:36:45what that breaks out to imagine your, your home. I mean, I, I, I assume you, you, you prefer to eat
00:36:51a meal at least once a day, maybe two or three, you know, like the standard breakfast, lunch,
00:36:54and dinner. Most Americans think that is a standard. You know, if you're only eating one meal a day,
00:36:58okay, what if I told you that, um, I'm only eating, I'm only eating one meal on Thursday and one meal
00:37:03on Monday. That's all I'm eating. Would you be like, oh man, that's great. You're, you're in a
00:37:07good place. No, you would say like, that's stupid. Why are you, you're starving yourself. You know,
00:37:12it's, if, uh, if my son went to school and the teacher started to notice that he was losing weight,
00:37:17he was emaciated. And they came to my house and they said, Mr. Aguilar, are you, is your son eating?
00:37:22Yeah. Feed him every third day, bowl of cereal every three days. I'll feed him. Great. They're
00:37:27going to be like, uh, you should not be a parent and we're taking your child away from you. Yes.
00:37:31So the God that humanitarian foundation should not be doing humanitarian aid and the United States
00:37:37government should say no and take away the child, which is Palestine, Gaza, and take all that money
00:37:44and support the United nations process. We've been a part of the United nations for 80 years this year,
00:37:5080 years, 1945, since the United States is one of the signatories to the creation of the United
00:37:55Nations. And we're giving him the finger. Why? Because of the Gaza humanitarian foundation that
00:38:00is killing people. That's the math that those numbers that I just gave you, that's using their
00:38:06number. So if GHF is going to start politicizing math, then I think we're in a bad place.
00:38:13How were you treated and how were the other American contractors treated by the IDF and the Israeli
00:38:17government? That would be a mixed bag depending on what level you were at. Um, I, I clearly remember
00:38:27on, on the, it was the, uh, 24th of May, uh, a select few of us, a select few of the leaders were
00:38:34taken to the sites, to the secure distribution sites to kind of get eyes on and kind of get a feel
00:38:39for the, um, for what the sites looked like, kind of get an assessment. And I went to one of the towers.
00:38:45This is site one site. One is really close to the Mediterranean, right in the corner of Egypt
00:38:50and Gaza and the med. And I went up to the Western tower and I'm just kind of looking out,
00:38:55look, you know, assessing the area and sitting, sitting next to the tower, kind of at the base
00:39:01of it outside of the, of the barrier of the berm, um, was a group of Israeli soldiers. And, uh,
00:39:08they looked up to me and they say, Oh, are you, are you an American? I was like, yeah,
00:39:11yeah. They're like, Oh, are you here for the, uh, for the aid? I was like, yeah. And they asked
00:39:15me, why are you feeding our enemy? Why are, why is America coming here to feed our enemy? You're
00:39:20not helping. And I was like, Oh, that's, I don't, I don't have an answer for you. Can I get back to
00:39:25you later? Like, I don't have an, like, that's how they see it. So the guys on the ground, the grunts
00:39:31on the ground, the fighters, the idea of guys on the ground, their perception is that, that the
00:39:37humanitarian aid going into Gaza is feeding the enemy. What about the women and children? I mean,
00:39:45I understand they, they don't want you helping Hamas, the leadership of Hamas. I, that makes
00:39:49sense, but, but you're, but these are civilians you're feeding, right? Women and children and
00:39:55elderly, elderly people and women, children, the disabled, the elderly, the needy.
00:40:04Yeah. That's who we're feeding. Or that's what I should say that that's who we're not
00:40:11feeding. That's what we're supposed to be feeding.
00:40:13So how are those people, the enemy in any war? Those are just the, the bystanders. Those
00:40:19are the people who didn't choose the war, who weren't fighting in the war, who were just
00:40:23being hurt by the war.
00:40:24Yeah. And that, that comment from this, you know, infantry idea of infantry soldier on the
00:40:31ground, you know, I don't, that's a perception. And I think we've also heard the perception
00:40:36from the, from the highest levels of the Israeli government that, that all of Gaza, all is,
00:40:42it's all Hamas, everybody's Hamas. And the reason that's striking to me, because I feel like
00:40:49someone handed Bibi Netanyahu a list of the violations of the Degeva convention, but, but
00:40:55like took the, took the numbers off of it. And he's just checking them off, like displacing
00:41:00the population. Well, do that. It's like, okay, well that, that's a war crime. Firing at
00:41:05the civilians to, to control the population. Okay. Well, targeting civilians with lethal
00:41:08ammunition to control the population verbatim is a war crime. So you got that one check.
00:41:13What next? What do you got next? Uh, we're going to build the humanitarian distribution
00:41:17sites in the middle of combat zones. Well, shit, there's, there's protocol three. Got
00:41:21it. You just did that one. What's next? Oh, uh, how about we, uh, we label the entire
00:41:27society as, as got as Hamas and kill them all. Wow. Bingo. You just got it straight across
00:41:33because now you just made another war crime statement because the Geneva convention specifically
00:41:37inhibits the classification of an entire population as the enemy based on the actions
00:41:41of a few. Is Hamas all of, all of Gaza? No, no, of course it's not.
00:41:47Are we treating them like they're all Hamas? Yes, we are another war crime. So when I bring
00:41:55up these points about war crimes, it's not this, this, uh, politicized bombastic, you know,
00:42:01like, Oh, you stepped on my foot. That's a war crime. Like the war crimes are verbatim.
00:42:06The things that they say, not us, they, they say it. We're displacing the population to move
00:42:11them to do combat operations. That's a war crime. I mean, I don't know what to tell you. I mean,
00:42:16well, you're a professional army officer of 25 years, West Point graduate. So, I mean,
00:42:21this is your business in a sense. So like there are rules. It is. Yes. Uh, and so I think you
00:42:26have credibility. You're not, uh, you know, some hippie saying it's a war crime. It's like literally
00:42:31a war crime because there is an actual definition and it sounds like they've met. There is an actual
00:42:36definition there. There's a, there's a definition of it. And when people call certain things, war crimes
00:42:41that look horrific, Mike, well, that's, that's not, but I understand that that is horrific,
00:42:46but that's not, but there are things that by definition violate the protocols of the Geneva
00:42:52convention, violate the arms of long, uh, the laws of armed conflict. It's they're black and white.
00:42:58It's like reading a driver's ed manual, like stop at a red light. That's, that's the law. It's not
00:43:04something you can do sometimes unless you want to get a ticket. So, um, it's one of those things to
00:43:08where it's like, there, there's a book that tells us these things that the answers to the tests are
00:43:12in this book. Someone should read it. Well, they also violate the conscience of any,
00:43:16any person watching. Um, and that's, that's enough. Yes. So, okay. So I've, I've asked you,
00:43:22I've asked around the story. I just wanted this, you've provided a very, very helpful context. And
00:43:27again, thank you for, for your time in doing this. Um, so now, now to the question, how did
00:43:32the Israeli military, the IDF treat Palestinian civilians?
00:43:38I could describe it as, as, as nothing more than they treated them like animals,
00:43:44even the, the UG solutions and the SRS personnel on the ground. Um, what was concerning to me,
00:43:51because I witnessed this in years of Iraq, when you get down the road and you start describing
00:43:54people in a certain way, you start to dehumanize them. Uh, even the U S contractors on the ground
00:44:00called, called them the, the, the zombie horde. Um, we, the IDF, and in some cases, we don't recognize
00:44:08these people as human beings. And part of my, my, you know, why I want to talk and come out in this
00:44:14is because I, I, I saw these human beings. I, I was there. I, I, you know, I, you know,
00:44:21this photo here, this is on site one, that's a human being. I took this photo. This didn't come
00:44:27from some far left journalist or from the Gaza health ministry. I took that picture. You know,
00:44:34these, you know, this here, these are, these are the people that we're dehumanizing, that we're
00:44:42killing in mass scale, that we're depriving of food and water, that we are torturing in a way
00:44:51because they're not eating at all. And we're calling them, we're calling them all Hamas.
00:44:56That's what we're calling them. So I've seen it with my own eyes. Not everybody is Hamas. And to be
00:45:05fair, I distributed at every site through distribution windows, morning, afternoon,
00:45:12and evening. Most of the contractors there do one site because they're assigned to that site.
00:45:18Because the nature of my job, I went to all the sites, not once, not once ever. And I'm pretty
00:45:24keen at looking out for things and staying alive. Not once ever did I witness a threat, a hostile act,
00:45:31a weapon. Anyone from quote unquote Hamas. I mean, how do you do that? They don't show up with a
00:45:36t-shirt that says Hamas. So, you know, there's, is Hamas amongst the population? Well, of course they
00:45:43are, but it doesn't mean that, that the entire population is Hamas. So that's the type of discipline
00:45:50and understanding and maturity and, and wherewithal of an under, of an operation like this, that's
00:45:56required to do something like this. And it's not there. It's the wild west. We treat them like
00:46:03animals with, with no dignity. You say that you saw, and again, I just want to state for the fifth
00:46:10time. I've met few people with more experience in situations like this, chaos, foreign country,
00:46:19shooting soldiers, confusion. So, you know, I think you have a lot of experience interpreting
00:46:27what you saw. You said you saw no threat at all. You didn't see Palestinians with weapons. You didn't
00:46:35feel threatened. You know, it doesn't, you know, I'm sure there's a threat there, but you didn't
00:46:39experience it. But you said that there was shooting. Who was shooting at what and why?
00:46:45The way, uh, so to walk everyone through kind of how a, a distribution site works in terms of like,
00:46:51how are people being shot at? How does this happen? So early in the morning, the Palestinians,
00:46:56because mind you, the, the Palestinians to get to the South, they cannot drive. They have to walk
00:47:01one way from where they live because they have to go through the established military corridors,
00:47:06just one way to get to where they have to get to. They, they, they have to walk. So they can't just
00:47:13walk straight down to the site. They have to go West to the coastal corridor, down the coastal
00:47:17corridor, into the Morag corridor, down to the sites. So they're walking anywhere from eight
00:47:23to 12 kilometers, one way, one way to get to the site. So when they queue up in the morning at the
00:47:30intersection of the Morag corridor and the coastal road, and the queuing gets into the, to the magnitude
00:47:35of thousands, the IDF hold them there with, with tanks in place. When this, when the UG solutions
00:47:43personnel call on the radio to the IDF to say the site is ready, the crowd is released in a massive,
00:47:50massive tidal wave of, tidal wave of people. It's dehumanizing and rushing towards the site
00:47:57because they're starving. As they're coming to the site, the IDF shoot at them, machine guns,
00:48:05mortars, tank rounds, artillery. I have all of this on video.
00:48:09within a matter of minutes, two minutes, 15 seconds, hundreds of Palestinians are already on the site.
00:48:39Like, this is like, it's so compelling when you see it. And I'm like, because I watched it. And as I'm
00:48:45watching it and feel and being there, and you hear early morning hours, you know, pre dawn sunrise over
00:48:51the Mediterranean, thousands of, of Palestinians rushing down to the site. And over their heads,
00:48:58you just see tracer bullets flying, tracers, tank rounds, artillery rounds. And they do that
00:49:06to keep the Palestinians on the right path. My suggestion from the very beginning was like,
00:49:12have we tried a sign, put a sign out there? Like, I don't know, like, put a, put a sign in the road
00:49:18that says go this way instead of shooting a Markaba tank round. Like, I think that would be like,
00:49:22that would be a great way to, to kind of, to kind of start. Nope, cost too much. We're not going to do it.
00:49:28Oh, okay. Telling. That's a telling, telling proposition. So as they're coming to the site,
00:49:35and they're getting shot at, it's dark. The Israeli forces in the South are reserve conscripts.
00:49:42They're not the IDF that, that, that the, that are in the elite active army unit. They're conscript
00:49:49reservists. They don't train. They don't get a lot of training. Rarely do they get to shoot their
00:49:54weapons. And they don't have night vision capability. So they're shooting into the dark
00:49:59at thousands of people to say that when, when, when the, when the sun rises and bodies are strewn
00:50:07along the road and the IDF say, Oh, we didn't do that. Really? How did that happen then? Like
00:50:16you did do that. Like you did do that. Oh, Hamas did it. Hamas is nowhere here. There's
00:50:23there's this entire area is a militarized controlled zone. There's no Hamas here. I was
00:50:28like, if Hamas got into here, y'all really aren't doing your job. Like there's no Hamas,
00:50:32no one with weapons, dead people screwing along the streets. So when you see on the news at Nasser
00:50:38hospital, when patients get brought in and people then say, Oh, that's just Hamas propaganda. No,
00:50:43it's not. It is not Hamas propaganda. It's real. The shooting, the indiscriminate shooting,
00:50:50when they get onto the site in this mass crowd, just imagine if you will, if, if it was black
00:50:57Friday at Walmart and they cleared out the Walmart, they moved everything out. And in the middle of
00:51:01Walmart, they just put a box of TVs and they were free first in gets them. And at nine o'clock the
00:51:08door crashes open and everybody's squeezing into the small door into this area. And you've got,
00:51:13you've got two security guards there on every site. There are 22 armed security guards pulling
00:51:20security. So that's one to 409 ratio, one guard to 409 people ratio. There's no way that the armed
00:51:32security can manage or control that safely. There's no way it's impossible. So when they get onto the site,
00:51:39I call, I called it the eight minutes of mayhem within eight minutes, 25,000 boxes of food are stripped
00:51:48through, taken down and gone. Eight minutes. It's one of the most chaotic, deprived, dehumanizing
00:51:56things I've ever seen in my life. And I was, I was in Bagus Fagani when ISIS surrendered, talk about
00:52:01dehumanization. That is the worst I've seen in my life. At the end, when there's a few people left,
00:52:09to pick up the remnants of AIDS, some beans, some rice, the UG solutions personnel then start clearing
00:52:16the crowd with the procedures that they've adopted from the IDF, where we throw stun grenades,
00:52:21we spray pepper spray. I saw in a recent video last week of a UG solutions person that I know,
00:52:27I know who that person is. Like I know it's real. I know he's there. I know it's a real person. It's not
00:52:32fake. And he's standing on a berm and they have these new devices where it's about the size of a fire
00:52:38extinguisher with a, with a fog hose on it to just spray tear gas. They have those now. And so now
00:52:44that's the, that's the standard operating procedure. And as they get to the gate and the gates are
00:52:49closed, the IDF salute, the IDF guards then, then shoot at them at their feet, over their heads in
00:52:54the air, just like the IDF do. And, you know, again, like yesterday when, when GHF gave their press
00:53:01conference, they even said that, like Mr. Aguilar has said that shots have been fired at civilians.
00:53:05We only shoot at their feet, over their head and in the air. Like that's exactly what I'm saying
00:53:09you do. You're, you're, you're correct. But when you're shooting bullets that come out of an
00:53:14automatic rifle at a crowd of thousands of people and you can't see them because there's berms and
00:53:20there's dust and there's, and there's inner visibility lines that you can't see and you're
00:53:24just shooting, you're going to kill somebody period. So the, you know, our guys don't shoot at
00:53:32them. They shoot at their feet. They shoot over the head. They shoot into the air. Okay. Well,
00:53:36shooting at them, targeting innocent, unarmed civilians on the battlefield for the purpose
00:53:42of controlling them or controlling the crowd. Again, there you go. Another war crime. So when,
00:53:47when we're doing these things, it's, we're just egregiously violating international standards,
00:53:54the standards that we, that we as Americans expect.
00:53:56People were hung at Nuremberg for things like this. Literally things like this. Shooting at
00:54:02prisoners. Yes. Shooting at prisoners. As a, as a case in point in the United States army,
00:54:08if I were fighting in, in Germany and a squad of German soldiers that was just shooting at me,
00:54:17puts down their guns and raises their hands. They just became a prisoner. I have to feed them. I have
00:54:22to give them water. I have to take care of them. I have to give them safe passage to, to captivity
00:54:26or to holding. Can't just shoot them. There are rules in combat. There are rules in conflict and
00:54:34we must abide by those. Now, what I find to be incredibly, incredibly concerning for the American
00:54:40people and for my fellow teammates, my guys on the ground, American citizens, is that GHS position
00:54:47is, well, we're not, this isn't a war and we're not, we don't have to abide by those rules. Well,
00:54:52you do. Those rules apply to everybody no matter what, but even more so that you should not have
00:54:58the authority to shoot anybody. We are there as tourists, as I said in the beginning of the show,
00:55:02tourists. We should not be pulling the trigger of that gun unless it is absolutely to protect an
00:55:08imminent threat to our life. And a case in point from all of the days and all of the times and all of
00:55:13the sites, I didn't pull the trigger on my rifle one time. I didn't pull the pistol on my rifle one
00:55:19time, never even took it out of its holster. Stun grenades, tear gas, didn't use it once because I
00:55:24didn't need, I'm not, not because I'm some like, you know, soft, you know, anti-gun, you know, that I
00:55:30didn't need it. Never one time did I ever need to pull my rifle, shoot my gun or use means to stun
00:55:36or hurt a civilian ever, not once. And I was at more distributions at more sites, more time than
00:55:43than any single person in the UG Solutions architecture. And not once did I ever need
00:55:49to do that ever. And I think I know something about, you know, when it's time to shoot, you know,
00:55:56done a lot. So it never felt that I had to do that ever once. It's, it's immature. It's dangerous.
00:56:05It's a violation of our American values. That is not how America engages on the world stage.
00:56:11We are the ones that do right. We are the ones that choose the harder right over the easier wrong.
00:56:17We don't do it because the IDF say it's okay to do it. And therefore we can do it. Well,
00:56:22we made that bed and we are in it. And that bed is about to get flipped over by the international
00:56:28community. And if we don't, if we don't stand up and say something now, like today, tomorrow,
00:56:33if we don't stand up and do something about it, we're going down that road and it's not a good road
00:56:38to be on. I hope you can tell your story on Fox News and on every American media outlet as soon
00:56:45as possible. I hope they will have you. I'm not betting on it, but I hope, I hope they will.
00:56:51So let, let me ask you about the story that you have told. That's a really difficult story,
00:56:56awful story, but about the boy who you were in contact with, who was, who was killed, shot to death.
00:57:04Well, what, what happened?
00:57:05Yeah.
00:57:08So, you know, this little boy is similar in age to my son, brown eyes. My son has brown eyes. I see
00:57:18my son's face when I look at him. And this little boy, you know, he's not, he's not ISIS.
00:57:28He's not a combatant. This was on secure distribution site. Number two, the 28th of May,
00:57:40our second day of doing distribution. I'm on that location. I didn't get this secondhand.
00:57:50I didn't see it from afar. And then, and then assume I saw it. I touched it. I felt it. Other
00:57:57people saw it. This young little boy, his name is Amir. I know that because when he walked over
00:58:07from the crowd of people, he walked toward me. There was two, there was two of us standing there,
00:58:12two UG Solutions guards standing in that area. And he was walking towards us. And we thought maybe he
00:58:16was hurt or maybe he was asking for some more food because all he had in his arms was a small
00:58:21bag of rice, half a bag of flour, some lentils that he had picked up from the ground. He didn't
00:58:25have much. And we thought maybe he was asking for more food or maybe he was hurt. And we notioned him
00:58:32over and he came up and he extends his right hand at us. And so I, you know, I kind of walked up to
00:58:40him and waved him over. And the guy standing next to me, this young boy grabs, holds his hand and he
00:58:45kisses it. And then he comes to me and he holds my hand and he kisses it. In Arab culture, that is a
00:58:52very significant sign of respect. That's not something that should be taken lightly or something
00:58:56that should be, that's a big sign of respect. And we were taken aback by that. The gentleman that was
00:59:03standing next to me was also a military veteran, combat veteran. So he's been to Afghanistan, Iraq,
00:59:07and he was moved by it. He was touched. I was touched. And as he was standing there, we were both
00:59:13looking at him and he was very emaciated. He had no shoes on. His pants were tattered. He had a kind
00:59:20of a rope or string holding his pants up. Filthy, probably hasn't bathed in months, probably hasn't
00:59:26eaten in days. And oh, by the way, when they walk eight to 12 kilometers to get to these sites,
00:59:31the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation mechanism provides no water, zero, not a single bottle because it's too
00:59:37expensive. Distributing water weighs so much that it breaks down the, the, the profit per cost per
00:59:45truck. That's a fact because I asked why, and I was given a lesson in it. This is why it's too
00:59:50expensive. So we give them no water. All of their food, by the way, requires water to cook it. Rice,
00:59:56lentils, beans, flour, you gotta have water. So what we're giving them, I don't know how they're eating
00:59:59it, but he comes, he's standing there and I, and I put my arm on his, on his right, on, on his left
01:00:06shoulder. And I look at him and I can feel the bones in his shoulder. I can feel the, the, the
01:00:12weakness in his arm. I can feel the vulnerability. I can feel the desperation. And I look at him and
01:00:18I looked and I got down on my knees where I'm looking at him in the eyes. And then I say to him,
01:00:22I said, people care. America cares. You're not going to be forgotten.
01:00:29People in the world care. And he doesn't speak English and I don't speak Arabic.
01:00:41But the connection we had in looking at each other, he felt like he felt, he felt for the
01:00:48first time in a long time that there was someone that cared. And I got down on a knee and he came
01:00:54to his level and the items he had in his hand, he sets them down on the ground and he, his hands,
01:01:00he raises his hands and they're small, fragile. You can, you can see bones sticking, you know,
01:01:05just the bones to the skin. And he places his hands on my face and he kissed me. And he said,
01:01:10he looked at me in the eyes and he says, thank you. He said it in English. Thank you.
01:01:19Like people are starving in Gaza.
01:01:24People are dying in Gaza. These children that are starving and dying, these, these children,
01:01:33you know, they look like everyday Americans. This child is picking up noodles off the ground
01:01:39with his bare hands because there was no food left. So he's picking up noodles to put into his backpack.
01:01:44Amir goes back toward back to the main group and he goes out the exit. We had a very strict protocol
01:01:55that they come in a certain way, get the aid, and then they go out a certain way from the way they
01:02:00came in. It takes them back to the way they came in. The exit takes them back that same way. So they
01:02:05enter from the Morag Corridor, they go south, they go through the station, they exit, and they go north
01:02:12to the Morag Corridor. So coming in and going out, they're tied right back into the active combat zone.
01:02:17Site number two particularly is a little bit different than the other sites because it's
01:02:22in between site one and two. And there's an IDF combat outpost just off the corner of SDS-2.
01:02:28So there's a berm that lines that road going out. So if people are leaving the exit and someone is on
01:02:36the east side of the berm shooting into the crowd over here, you can't see what's on the other side
01:02:43of that berm because of the obscuration, the field of fire. So the IDF are shooting at the crowd that's
01:02:50leaving. As the crowd left and they would hit the Morag Corridor to go west, the IDF would shoot at them,
01:02:54shoot at their feet, shoot over their head. We would shoot at them, shoot at their feet,
01:02:57shoot over their head, shoot into the air. And the bullets start hitting off the ground.
01:03:05There's video of this. It's on the BBC video. Hitting off the ground, see dirt flying up.
01:03:10And I was still on the site. I was below the berm. It was the second time we had done distribution.
01:03:18So when I heard the gunfire kick off, the automatic machine gun fire, I thought we were under attack.
01:03:22I thought something had happened. So I ran up to the southern berm and I laid down to take cover.
01:03:27You know, I'm observing and I'm looking and I see the shooting keep going on by just the rap.
01:03:34And Palestinians dropping on the side of the road. So Amir didn't make it home.
01:03:40He walked 12 kilometers to get some food, picked up scraps off the ground. That's all that was left
01:03:46because the the eight minute mayhem took all of the food. And by the time he got there walking with no
01:03:52shoes, hungry and tired, the only thing left for him was to pick up some remnants off the ground.
01:03:58And when he left, he was he was he was killed by the IDF. Why? Because they lack discipline.
01:04:06They lack standards and they lack basic human decency. Now, do I think that they intentionally shot him
01:04:14or shot the people they were shooting at? No. But when you use machine guns and tank rounds
01:04:22and mortar rounds to control a crowd, what do you think is going to happen? And the United States
01:04:29stands by and watches it as in the press conference that GHF gave last night.
01:04:35Will the IDF shoot to control the crowd? We only shoot at the crowd in the air around them or at their
01:04:40feet. We don't shoot into them. Unacceptable behavior. That is not how professionals behave
01:04:47when dealing with a civilian population. You use things like signs. What I thought would be another
01:04:53great, great tool would have been a loud speaker with a microphone with an interpreter.
01:04:59Because no one there speaks Arabic and they don't speak English. So when you're dealing with a crowd of
01:05:04eight to nine thousand people and you're trying to communicate with them. And I was like, how about
01:05:10before we start shooting? How about we do two things? One, we provide a loud speaker with a
01:05:16translator. Two, we could put signage. We put signs out there that say, go this way, go that way, turn
01:05:22left. They don't know where they're going. They don't live here. It's a war zone. So the only way I
01:05:29could describe the sites is death traps. And they didn't become death traps. They were designed as death
01:05:34traps. And the United States puts aid and we lure them in. And when they leave, they get shot at coming.
01:05:40And they get shot at going. So the reports you hear from from Nasser Hospital, which is about
01:05:46five kilometers from site number two, Nasser Hospital that you hear all the reports of dead
01:05:50civilians coming in to get treated. The doctors have said this is grotesque.
01:05:54Doctors have testified that every time GHF does a distribution at site one, two or three,
01:06:00which the road from those goes directly to the Nasser Hospital, they get a massive influx of patients to
01:06:04what they call mass casualties, an MCI, mass casualty incident every time.
01:06:10Have you ever heard of any other country do any I've never heard of anything like this,
01:06:15but I haven't spent 25 years deployed in war zones. I just want I've never seen it.
01:06:20You've never seen this anywhere.
01:06:23Anywhere to this scale. Now, in other countries that I've been in with partner forces, are there
01:06:27sometimes a, you know, an errant or undisciplined, you know, bad apple in the group that you discipline
01:06:32and you correct that behavior. I've seen that at this scale to where it's widely accepted,
01:06:38but then to also the fact that the, um, the UG solutions contractors also do it under the guise
01:06:44of, well, the IDF do it. So we're fine with doing it. Never, never have I seen an American
01:06:50behave this way. Never have I seen an army. And I, you know, I've, I've seen some pretty, uh,
01:06:56ragtag armies in my day. Um, and never have I seen this level of depravity and just disrespect for
01:07:03human dignity. And it's, I mean, the word I keep using, because it's the only way I can describe
01:07:09it is because America is giving tax dollars to it. It's un-American.
01:07:16Now there has, you came out and told this story, I think two days ago, uh, or a couple of days ago
01:07:22for the first time in public that I'm aware of. And, uh, there was immediate pushback as there always
01:07:27is. Um, and your integrity was called into question. You're a liar, you're a propagandist,
01:07:33and this boy is not dead. This boy is not dead is, is what they, is what they said. Um,
01:07:38can you address that?
01:07:42I, I directly communicated to the, the lawyer in the GHF press conference that I demanded that
01:07:50he retract that. And I gave him the facts. And this is why the picture that they used,
01:07:57that GHF used and has circulated the picture they have of a small boy with a contractor with his
01:08:04hands on their, on his head, juxtaposed to the picture of, of me that I took with this
01:08:09boy standing next to me. What's ironic is that the picture they have of the man of the contractor
01:08:14standing there with his hand on, on the boy's head. I took that picture too.
01:08:17Yeah. It's like, they're giving them my, it's like, they're giving me back my own material
01:08:22as proof to the material. It's, it's absurd. So the, the picture that I have this, this picture
01:08:30with me, myself and Amir and everybody on site, that is distribution site number two on the 29th of
01:08:38May. That picture has been geolocated metadata checked. It's legit. The picture that they provided
01:08:46to say, well, look, here's a picture of this contractor, uh, two days later with Amir.
01:08:53Disgusting. Disgusting. That picture that I took, the guy with his hand on the kid's head
01:09:00is from site number four on the 1st of June. There is no way physically possible that the child could
01:09:09have gotten from site two, sites one, two, and three are all the way in the south, south of the
01:09:12Morag corridor. Site number four is all the way in the central at the, at the Nessarim corridor.
01:09:19Nobody can cross between those two areas. So unless he, unless he flew there or beamed him up and he
01:09:25transported there, that wouldn't be him. But number two, you put the pictures right next to each other,
01:09:30not, not kind of like here and here, but right next to each other. It's obvious. They're not the
01:09:34same person. They don't have the same hair. They don't have the same teeth. Their ears are a different
01:09:38size. I ran it through an AI generator and it said, that's not the same person because it's not
01:09:42the same person. So why would this humanitarian foundation who's funding? We know nothing about
01:09:50you worked for them and you still know nothing about them. I'm sure they're taking us tax dollars
01:09:54run by this. Well, they are. That's a fact. They're taking us tax dollars run by this Christian
01:10:00Zionist kind of preacher. Maybe it's not exactly clear who he is. I looked him up online. He's got
01:10:05all kinds of business ventures that don't, I'm not going to pass judgment, but, but he also says
01:10:10he's a preacher. Johnny Moore, this Christian leader, why would a Christian leader try to hide
01:10:20the fact that a child was murdered? So here's, here's my take on it is that, and the other thing
01:10:29is that there's, there's humanitarian organizations in, in Gaza that are currently from that photo
01:10:35looking for the next of kin. And that will come out soon when they confirm that, that he is dead.
01:10:41That has also been put out to the, to the Nasser hospital to confirm, you know, that that boy was,
01:10:46was brought in on the, the, when he was, if he was brought in. So the truth, the truth will come out.
01:10:52The truth always wins. I've known that in my entire life. The truth always wins. And I know
01:10:58it's the truth because from the picture they provided on site four and the picture they provided
01:11:02on site two, I took those pictures. I was standing there. Like I took those pictures. So the, for the
01:11:10concept to say that, Oh, look, here's a mirror a couple of days later at the same site. First of all,
01:11:14they said, here's a mirror a couple of days later at the same site. Well, that's not true because the
01:11:18picture that they have from a couple of days later is from site number four. I was there. I took the
01:11:22picture. They're not the same child. Why the coverup or why the line? So when they say that I
01:11:28have an agenda political, whatever it may be, there's absolutely no evidence of that. I've never
01:11:33run for office. I don't own a business. I don't write books. I don't have some kind of platform.
01:11:37I don't have a podcast. I don't even have social media. I mean, they shut down my, my, my space account
01:11:42last month because they took it down from, you know, from the web. So I don't even have my space
01:11:46anymore. So I have nothing like, I have no skin in the game of this, but to tell the truth,
01:11:50what they have in the game is a lot of money to the tune of tens of millions, hundreds of millions
01:11:56of dollars. So do they care about a Palestinian life or the, that the people know about that life
01:12:04over making hundreds of millions of dollars? Well, the American people can judge that. Who do you want
01:12:11to believe? A 25 year veteran who went to West Point where our motto is duty on our country,
01:12:17a cadet will not lie cheap or steal or tolerate those that do. And I lived that motto and graduated
01:12:22from West Point and lived that motto in my army career. And I have nothing to gain from any of this
01:12:27whatsoever at all that I was there. And I took the pictures and I witnessed it with my own eyes.
01:12:32And it brings me to tears. I'm a 43 year old man, 25 in the years in the army is a green beret.
01:12:38Hey, you think I went to acting school for this? It breaks my heart. So who are you going to believe?
01:12:46The evangelical Zionist who has billions of dollars to gain by this, by everything being
01:12:52just fine? Or the 25 year veteran green beret who went to West Point, who's been, who's earned a purple
01:12:58heart for this country, who's bled on the battlefield for this country, who's earned valor awards for,
01:13:02for combat valor. Who are you going to believe? The guy that sits in Washington DC that's been to Gaza
01:13:08once or, or his lawyer who's never been to Gaza at all. Or are you going to believe the guy that was
01:13:15there that took the pictures that touched the boy that saw it with my own eyes. So who are you going
01:13:21to believe? That's what I offer. Yep. Well, I think most people watching will, will make up their minds
01:13:26on that pretty quickly. We are going to attempt to, to interview Johnny Moore. Um, and I, and I hope he
01:13:33agrees to that interview. So my last question is, um, and I just want to thank you a third time,
01:13:38uh, for taking the time for this conversation. Uh, I'm thankful for you. I'm thankful for your time
01:13:43and your platform. This is a, this is an important story and this, this is not my story. I'm simply the
01:13:49vessel to translate the story of the, of the people in Palestine, human beings, let's just call them
01:13:54human beings, human beings that are being treated with, with inhumanity. So I thank you for your
01:14:01time. This is, this is great. What should the Trump administration, what should the United States
01:14:06government do in response? I hope that every, every decision maker, and I'm going to do everything I
01:14:12can to make sure this happens, sees your testimony, sees this video, listens to what you just said,
01:14:18and you just experienced firsthand. Um, but how should they respond to it?
01:14:24Well, I'd also like the, the analysis that I had sent to your, your producers on the,
01:14:30you know, I created a product for them last night with the comparison of the boy they said
01:14:33was him and him and put them together with the, you know, the map data and everything. So
01:14:37sharing that would also be helpful because I think it's shameful, shameful to make a, to make a
01:14:43political position out of something like that. But it's also in a way kind of telling to where,
01:14:47you know, according to Johnny Moore, every Palestinian looks alike.
01:14:49Not a good look, Johnny.
01:14:53No.
01:14:53So.
01:14:54Not, not, not what your, not what our religion says that God knows every hair on your head and
01:14:58that each soul is distinct and created by God. I mean, that's a foundational Christian
01:15:03understanding of, of humanity.
01:15:06It's a great point.
01:15:07That's a great point.
01:15:08For a self-described Christian preacher to say something like that is shocking to me.
01:15:11So, so your question on what should be done. Great question. Because that's, that's the,
01:15:18you know, the second part of my effort here is to, to take action. I don't, I don't just throw
01:15:22up problems. I want to provide solutions. And there's been thorough analysis done on this.
01:15:27I've done the analysis and I've got no, I, I've already given it to UG solutions. I was like,
01:15:33here, here's the analysis I've done, you know, here you go.
01:15:35Um, so the, uh, the, the Gaza humanitarian foundation should cease to exist. And here's
01:15:45why the existence of the Gaza humanitarian foundation and its creation and existence creates
01:15:53a misnomer, a lie that this mechanism is working and that the UN is not needed.
01:16:01That's a lie. Regardless of what we call the method, whether it's GHF, whether it's the
01:16:11UN, whether it's Greta Thunberg handing out PBJ sandwiches on the Mediterranean beach, whatever
01:16:19the method is, it has to be able to feed 2.21 million people a day, three meals a day,
01:16:26every day and, and bring in water, uh, fuel. Remember the GHF aid brings no water, no pampers,
01:16:36no diapers, no fuel, no medicine, no hygiene products, just dried food, nothing else, nothing
01:16:41else. So the method, whatever it is needs to be a method that can handle the capacity of 500 to 550
01:16:49trucks a day, every day that can manage 400 to 500 sites throughout the entirety of Gaza.
01:16:57I mean, imagine if in the state of Florida, they said, Hey, you want food? You got to come down to
01:17:00Key West, everybody like it's absurd. So, you know, the, the method that needs to be in place has to be
01:17:09able to service four to 500 sites in Gaza needs to be able to service 500 to 550 trucks a day.
01:17:15That's the math. That's the math that's been done and they need to be do it every day. And they need
01:17:20to have experts in humanitarian assistance, doctors to understand medical assessments,
01:17:27veterinarians to look at the, you know, the, the animals to make sure that we're not spreading
01:17:30rabies, you know, all these things you don't think about that because I've done it so much.
01:17:34When you go to places like that, you're like, Oh yeah. Like if we, if we don't assess the animal
01:17:37population, everybody could die of rabies. We don't want that. All these things that go into that.
01:17:41Well, the UN provides that. That was the UN model. The UN model was taking in 550 to 600 trucks a day,
01:17:48going to 400 sites with doctors, veterans, nurses, teachers, water, fuel, enough food. That was the
01:17:57mechanism. So when it first came out that, Oh, well, the UN method just gives it all to Hamas.
01:18:02Well, Israel themselves, the intelligence apparatus within Israel, the American USAID,
01:18:09the American state department, other nations in the last day or two have all come out to say,
01:18:15there is no evidence that the humanitarian aid was going into the hands of Hamas at any rate that
01:18:22that's considerable to make an impact to the feeding. Now, was some of it going into the hands
01:18:26of Hamas? Well, sure. Because Hamas is amongst the population. I mean, again, how do you, who's Hamas?
01:18:31I mean, I know who they are politically, but like, how do you tell? Like, hey, are you Hamas? Well,
01:18:36they don't have their Hamas t-shirt on that day. I guess you won't know. So the mechanism in place
01:18:42now with what's being delivered, well, there's a cut going to Hamas. So we're delivering this much
01:18:48aid right now. And there's a cut going to Hamas where under the UN mechanism, we can deliver this
01:18:53much aid with that much potentially going to Hamas. It's no comparison. It's no question.
01:18:59The United States should cease funding the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation now today.
01:19:05Demand accountability on where that money went. Because I can tell you, seeing there and being
01:19:09there and the resources that we spent, I don't know where that 30 million went. It didn't go to Gaza.
01:19:14Somebody better check some bank accounts.
01:19:16Yes, immediately. But it wasn't the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation that shot a mirror.
01:19:22So the question is, why would U.S. tax payers?
01:19:26Fair point.
01:19:27You described the IDF as totally without decency, undisciplined
01:19:31people who committed war crimes on a daily basis. Why would the U.S. government be funding that?
01:19:38So here's one thing that I will say that I want to make clear on the record.
01:19:42I have worked with the IDF on numerous occasions in my military career, not just in this mission.
01:19:55I also, I stand with Israel in condemning the violence of Hamas.
01:20:01Yes.
01:20:01When I got into Israel on May 19th, the very next day on the 20th, I had some time in the evening.
01:20:08I got a rental car and I went from Beersheba, that's where I was staying,
01:20:12before we started operations. And I drove to Kibbutz Bieri.
01:20:16Kibbutz Bieri is the kibbutz outside of Gate 96 that Hamas hit first when they came through Gate 96.
01:20:22That's the gate they broke. That's the gate they came through.
01:20:24And they slaughtered and murdered 300, plus 300 people in the kibbutz.
01:20:29Then they went to the Nova Film Festival.
01:20:30I went to those sites. I went there on purpose because I wanted to feel the gravity of Israel's
01:20:39position. I wanted to understand with my own eyes, not what I heard on the news, what I saw, but
01:20:43to feel it. And did I feel anger? Yes. Did I feel disgust? Yes. Did I feel sorrow, sadness,
01:20:51and pain, and vengeance? Yes. But there are rules. If we lose our humanity in saying that,
01:20:59well, we're just going to do what Hamas did because they did it so we could do it to them,
01:21:02we've lost. Hamas has already won. We've lost our way. So what I plead to the people of Israel
01:21:08and to the Israeli army, let's not lose our way. America and Israel, let's not lose our way.
01:21:15Let's stay the course of what's tried and true and what we've known throughout life, and that's
01:21:19dignity and respect for humans. We all demand that.
01:21:22So the relationship with the IDFs, I don't characterize all of the IDF that way.
01:21:30The forces that are deployed in the South, the IDF reserve conscripts, need to be better trained
01:21:38and better equipped and have better leadership to be in the situation that they're in now.
01:21:45Imagine, if you will, if the United States went to war and all of the U.S. Army Rangers and all of
01:21:51the U.S. Army Green Berets and all of the U.S. Army 82nd Airborne was gone and deployed and we
01:21:54needed more people. So we call up the Boy Scout PAC 902 and say, get your guns, boys.
01:22:02We who called them up would be doing them a disservice. Israel has done the IDF a disservice
01:22:08and they're in a position where they're in way over their heads. So the behavior that I saw
01:22:14is classic. I've seen this throughout my entire career. It's a matter of discipline.
01:22:20It's a matter of leadership. And the same thing I say that I've said before, my issues with the GHF
01:22:27down, it's not the men on the ground that are trying to do their best in the situation they're
01:22:33in. Now, have some made some bad decisions that have done things that are just completely
01:22:36off the field? Yes, they have. There's always a bad actor. But it's the leadership. The leadership
01:22:43has failed to provide guidance and resources in education and training. Same with the IDF in Gaza.
01:22:48Their leadership has failed them because they've put them into a situation that is untenable
01:22:53and that you cannot avoid. You can't avoid the civilian deaths because 8,000 to 9,000 people
01:23:01rushing through your... Imagine if you're an infantry platoon leader and you have your patrol base
01:23:06and you're protecting your platoon and you're defending yourself and 8,000 to 9,000 people rush
01:23:12through your area. What are you supposed to do? There's not much you can do.
01:23:18And the leadership haven't provided them with any guidance on how to control that situation,
01:23:22just like they didn't provide any guidance to the UG Solutions personnel on how to control that
01:23:26situation. This is a leadership problem that touches all the way down to the tactical level.
01:23:32Now, the IDF should be held accountable for that, regardless of why it happened. When you shoot at
01:23:39civilians with tanks, mortars, rifles, machine guns, when you purposely displace the population,
01:23:45when you purposely use razor wire, again, razor wire banned by the Geneva Convention for the use of
01:23:53civilian purposes for hospitals, water points, and distribution sites. And that's why we're using
01:23:56razor wire. And the UG Solutions asked for that. When they did, I was like, whoa, ho, step back,
01:24:02cowboy. That's not a good idea. That violates Geneva Convention. We can't use razor wire.
01:24:07Well, there's no difference. And I was like, there is. There's a difference between barbed wire,
01:24:10concertina wire, and razor wire. And razor wire is specifically condemned to the Geneva Convention
01:24:15to use at civilian sites. Don't use it. IDF gave it to us. They said it was fine. Okay. So let's
01:24:21just rack up another war crime. So the IDF should be held accountable. These things should be
01:24:27investigated. The IDF, I think, they've already kind of alluded to this. I don't know if it's
01:24:34happening or not. You know, they seriously need to go through their army and have a seriously
01:24:39restructuring of discipline and standards and leadership. I'm not prepared to say that the
01:24:44entire IDF is that way. But from what I saw from an entire division, the 403rd Division Israeli
01:24:51Reserve in the South, they need a serious sit down talk amongst themselves to fix themselves because
01:25:00it's going off the rails.
01:25:05Colonel, I'm grateful. God bless you for doing this. You don't benefit from it. You will be
01:25:10attacked. I think anyone who watches what you just said can make up his own mind about your
01:25:16credibility and your integrity. But from my perspective, you are absolutely the best that
01:25:20we send. And so, again, God bless you. Thank you.
01:25:26Thank you. I appreciate the time and thank you for all you do.
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