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00:00The Recall Man
00:23Over the Border
00:24by David Napthine
00:26with Jeremy Swift
00:27as Dr Joe Astin
00:30The driver's in T's hospital
00:32And the poor sod who copped it
00:34No positive idea yet
00:35Where do you want these, Mum?
00:36On there's fine
00:37From the house to house
00:38And when's the briefing?
00:40Waiting on the suker
00:40What do you think, Jeff?
00:42I knew what they were doing
00:43They?
00:44He, she
00:45What have you got, Steve?
00:49Good
00:49What's the doctor say?
00:51Bloody hell, Ed
00:52What's going on?
00:52Sorry to call you when Helen's come to see you
00:54Sorry, Mum, Joe
00:55The driver's been cleaned up
00:57No obvious injuries, but still in shock
00:58Joe'll be there as soon as he can
01:00Will I?
01:01Yeah
01:01Er, is there any coffee?
01:03In my office
01:04Steve, tell the hospital we're sending Dr Astin to see him
01:07No, it's not up to me
01:08Get back if there's a problem
01:10So, who am I going to see and why?
01:12I'll sort out the taxi phone, Mum
01:14Just hang on, Jeff
01:14Well, they want to know about the driver
01:16What driver?
01:17Let's get Joe up to speed before the briefing
01:19The taxi driver, Tommy Sheldon
01:21is the only witness to a murder
01:23He's conscious but remembers nothing
01:24I want you to see him as soon as possible
01:26When did this happen?
01:27About two this morning
01:28Help yourself to coffee
01:30Er, it's too soon to go to the hospital, Ed
01:33We need to move quickly, Joe
01:35I can see that, but the doctors need time to ascertain if there are any injuries that aren't obvious
01:39Er, the memory loss might have a physical cause or it might be temporary amnesia
01:43It's only, what, three hours ago?
01:47If I go in too soon and ill-prepared, I make things worse
01:50Not least with the medical staff
01:51Oh, so there's no need for you to be here, then
01:53But stay if you want to
01:55Where did this happen?
01:56St Hilda's
01:57Do you know it?
01:58Not by its Sunday name, no
01:59I'd like to go to the scene
02:01It's been sealed
02:02I just want to send to the place as it is now, not as I vaguely remember it
02:06I used to go over the border in my teens
02:08Yeah?
02:11Briefing's about to start, Mum
02:12We're on our way
02:13Is there anything you could be doing, Joe?
02:16Yeah, getting fresh milk
02:17Biscuits as well
02:18Chocolate
02:19I'll be in my office, shall I?
02:24Yeah
02:25Come in, Joe
02:38This is Dr. Aston
02:42Morning
02:43Morning
02:43Don't move from there, Joe
02:45Obviously the body's been taken away
02:48But as you can see, the inside of the taxi's still a bit of a mess
02:50You all right?
03:00Well
03:00At least you didn't puke on the evidence
03:02It's a Bishop Auckland taxi
03:06We noticed
03:07That's an expensive journey
03:10Bishop Auckland to Middlesbrough
03:11And I didn't pull up outside her house
03:13Yeah, we noticed that as well
03:15I think I'll take a look outside
03:18Oh, God
03:23So, what are you going to do now?
03:26Just stand here and look
03:28At what?
03:32What happened to the pub?
03:33Two regs burned it down last month
03:35Used to drink in there as a kid
03:36There's chains around here
03:38We need to be getting back to this
03:41Hello?
03:44I've nearly finished, Dan
03:45Well, nothing at the moment
03:47I've only just
03:48I know
03:49Right
03:51Right
03:54Course I will
03:55You expecting miracles as well, Jeff?
03:59No way
04:00I'm a lapsed Catholic
04:01That'll be Karen on her back
04:03Finished?
04:09Right, then
04:09Shame this has happened when your missus comes visiting
04:14She knows what I do, Jeff
04:15What does she do?
04:17She works in social policy
04:18Social policy
04:20That's all they ever talk about round here
04:22Some even use it as a defence
04:24I don't know about you, Joe
04:26But I could murder a bacon sandwich
04:28Shut up, Jeff
04:29You only threw up, though, once
04:35Not bad, Dad
04:36Did he say how long he'd be at the hospital?
04:39Nah
04:39So, who is this Andy Spencer?
04:42Small time
04:43Best burglary assault operates round Loftus
04:46Ooh, Loftus
04:48So, why was he in Bishop Oakland?
04:51That's where he got the taxi
04:53Has he known him, Bishop?
04:54We've spoken to them, but nothing so far
04:56Anything from the house to house?
04:57Nothing
04:58And he had his head blown away by his sawn-off
05:01Let's just hope this is going warfare, Jeff
05:04At least they only shoot their own
05:05Yeah, so why did they leave a witness?
05:07Unless the driver's involved
05:09Nothing so far
05:10We're bringing in D.I. Wilson and D.C. Hall
05:12To help on the Loftus connection
05:13Is that Carol Hall?
05:17Do you know her?
05:18She's good, yeah
05:19What's keeping Joe?
05:20I'll liaise with Carol and what's-his-face
05:22Well, D.C. Hamilton will do that
05:24Why?
05:25He used to work Loftus
05:26Has he still got his kneecaps?
05:27You look after the house to house
05:30And get a photo of Andy Spencer to Bishop Oakland
05:32Sorry about that
05:33Traffic
05:34How are you feeling now?
05:37Fine, why?
05:38And Tommy Sheldon?
05:40He can remember Bishop Oakland Marketplace
05:42And the back of the ambulance
05:43Oh, is that all?
05:44Give him a chance, Jeff
05:45I'm seeing him again later
05:46Can I ask if Tommy's a suspect?
05:49Why?
05:50I'd like to retrace the route with him
05:52Leaving Bishop from the same place
05:54And at the same time
05:55We don't know enough about Tommy
05:56Or the incident yet
05:57There must be another way
05:58Yeah, but it might not be as effective
06:00And it'll certainly be slower
06:01Given what I saw over the border
06:03I think we really need to get to
06:04Can you have an idea of what we're dealing with?
06:05I don't think Tommy will want to do it
06:06We don't know that, do we?
06:08I know what I'm doing
06:08And we know what we're doing
06:10What do you think, Jeff?
06:11Well, I'm with you, Mum
06:12But then again, I can see Joe's point
06:14You'll make an inspector yet
06:16This is what we'll do
06:18When Joe goes to the hospital
06:20You go with him
06:21We've just told him
06:22I don't need Jeff to be there, Anne
06:23I want it watertight and official
06:25So you don't trust me?
06:26It's for your sake as well
06:28I need to give Karen Dennis a good argument, Joe
06:30So get one
06:31Right, I'm off
06:32See me as soon as you're back from the hospital
06:34So I've got to go with Joe
06:35As well as do everything else?
06:37Yes
06:37It's a lovely hospital, Jeff
06:41Shut up, Joe
06:46The wife's been to see me
06:48She brought my tobacco
06:50When I said I'd lost my memory
06:52She said that was nothing new
06:53And that I'd probably forgotten
06:54That it was paying for her and her lover
06:56To go to Barbados
06:57And she just looked at me
06:59And hardly said another word
07:00Why won't anyone tell me what happened?
07:03We don't know what happened, Tommy
07:05But I do
07:05You were there
07:06I have to take your word for that
07:08What makes you think I'll remember anything?
07:11Brian's very complex, Tommy
07:12Mine isn't
07:13So I'll just ask the wife
07:14Sorry, Doctor, carry on
07:16I'd prefer it if you call me Joe
07:18I don't know about that
07:19You usually only get to call doctors by their first name
07:22And they've got bad news for you
07:23Well, I've got no news at all
07:25Don't you get out much, then?
07:28Sorry, Joe
07:28Carry on
07:29Your memory will have registered everything that happened
07:32But at the moment
07:33The brain won't allow you to access the memory
07:35It's a protective mechanism
07:37Against what?
07:39That's what we don't owe
07:39But I didn't go into shock because I won the lottery
07:42You must know what happened
07:43We don't
07:44So why are there two polars outside the door?
07:47It's a precaution
07:48Against what?
07:49That's what we don't owe, Tommy
07:51And you want me to do something
07:55That's why you're here
07:56You could have brought some grapes
07:58Cool
07:59I'd like us to go and retrace your journey
08:02From Bishop Auckland to Middlesbrough
08:04Can I just forget it forever?
08:06I've got a feeling that's what I'd like to do
08:07It's highly probable that you'll remember sooner or later
08:10But unexpectedly and not in sequence
08:12Now, that can be unnerving
08:15Especially as we've no idea what will trigger the memory and when
08:18Working together, we can help structure the way you remember
08:22And will this help me?
08:24I'd like to think so
08:24Well, that'll help us, Tommy
08:26You hear things, don't you?
08:28About shock and that
08:29What do they call it?
08:30False traumatic stress?
08:32Is this what I've got?
08:35Am I the only witness then?
08:36Yes
08:36It's up to you, Tommy
08:39The worst bit would be getting into your car
08:42But if I want to get carbon again, I'll have to do it
08:46I mean, Barbados is bloody expensive
08:48I'll have to get back in a car sometime
08:52Thanks, Tommy
08:53And you can trust, Joe
08:55Okay
08:56Now, don't ask me to trust a police
08:58The wife would never forgive us
09:00Come on, Joe
09:01We need to get permission
09:03See you later, Tommy
09:05Joe!
09:21Bloody hell, Joe!
09:22What?
09:22You can't take photographs
09:24I always do
09:25I know
09:25But the locals think you're sightseeing and that's getting their backs up
09:28Tell them I'm working with you
09:30That won't help
09:31It's up being polite to us hours ago
09:33I need photographs, Jeff
09:34I'll see if I can sort something out
09:36Why hasn't all this hit Tommy yet?
09:42It will
09:43I don't envy him
09:44It's all good with you and Tommy
09:47No one
09:48Have you told Anne?
09:49Not yet
09:50She won't like it
09:51It's the only way
09:52And if all this suddenly hits Tommy?
09:54I'd rather he was with me than just me
09:56It's not my decision
09:57Will he change his mind?
10:00I wouldn't blame him if he did
10:01Do you know something?
10:03He's damned if he does
10:04And damned if he doesn't
10:05I'm not looking forward to it, Jeff
10:08Do you ever want to tell people about what you've seen?
10:13When they find out that you're on a case like this
10:15They want to know all the details
10:16Say nothing
10:18Especially if you want to keep them as friends
10:20I don't think I can find the words to describe what I saw
10:23And what I imagine happened
10:25Yet I've got to get Tommy to find the words so that he can
10:29That's what you're here to do, Joe
10:31I know
10:32And I could so easily make it worse for him
10:35I've cleared things with Karen Dennis
10:47But she's not happy at you strolling around a crime scene like a Japanese tourist
10:50I need photographs, Anne
10:52And I'll see what I can do
10:54So when are you going with Tommy?
10:57Tonight
10:57Or rather the early hours of tomorrow morning
10:59That's too soon, Joe
11:01Whatever this is
11:02It'll be news
11:03Now, I can tell the hospital to keep Tommy away from newspapers and telly
11:07I can keep away from them
11:09But someone, sooner rather than later
11:11Will say something to Tommy or to me
11:14And then the recall process is tainted
11:15The sooner I start with Tommy
11:17The more secure and safe the process will be
11:20You want him to remember and he needs to remember
11:23Earlier you were saying that you couldn't rush things
11:25Now you're steaming ahead
11:27Have you found another witness?
11:29No
11:29Well then
11:30Give the bloke a chance, Joe
11:33After what he's been through
11:35I don't know what he's been through
11:37Neither does he
11:38But I do
11:39Trust me, Anne
11:40Tommy Sheldon does
11:41I'll arrange for someone to go with you
11:44It's just me and Tommy
11:46For God's sake, Joe
11:47Make my life easier, why don't you?
11:49For it to work
11:50I've got to replicate the journey as exactly as I can
11:53Otherwise it's pointless
11:54I know it's a risk
11:56But it's a bigger risk
11:58Not knowing what happened
11:59Why it happened
12:00And who did it
12:01And if it could happen again
12:02The sooner Tommy remembers, the better
12:05I'll go see Karen again
12:07But if Tommy changes his mind at any point, it's off
12:09Come on
12:10It needs to be played by the book
12:11If you find another witness, Anne
12:13Then the pressure's off
12:14For you or me
12:16Tommy Sheldon
12:17So you drove here from Lee home
12:28I'd taken two steaming lassies home
12:30I'd start my car out with perfume
12:32Add that to the chilli sauce
12:33And the chip's already there
12:34And you can see why it's three air fresheners on Fridays
12:37Can you describe what it was like
12:41When you pulled into the taxi rack?
12:42Same as now
12:43Taxi's picking up
12:44And driving off
12:45Can you describe the scene a little more?
12:50It was mainly castle cabs
12:52Silver line were there as well though
12:54Because it was Gary driving
12:55And I never got a chance to ask him
12:56How he's doggy
12:57I'd like to know about the people in the queue, Tommy
12:59It was a big queue
13:02You have to be careful then
13:03Because some are legless and fighting
13:05And falling in front of the car
13:06Some are pushed
13:07I'll tell you what it is
13:09They save it all up
13:10And let it all out on Fridays
13:10Yeah
13:11You cut yourself off
13:12And hope you don't get too many nutters
13:14But Friday night in Bishop
13:15It comes with the territory
13:16There was this one time, Joe, right?
13:18You'll never believe it
13:19Hang on, Tommy
13:19What I'd like to do
13:21I thought this was what you wanted
13:22Yeah, it's what we call background
13:24Which is essential
13:25But we need to put in the detail
13:27I get you
13:29So, I'd like to start with the colours
13:31What colours?
13:33Describe the colours as you drove in
13:34You ask some odd things
13:36What people wore
13:37The lights
13:38I get you
13:40Close your eyes if it helps
13:42Feel safer if they're open
13:45Okay
13:46Do it in your own time
13:47Yellow street lights
13:52White lights on the burger vans
13:55White police van
13:57Different colour clothes
13:59I'll shut my eyes, right?
14:04No, it's all of a mess
14:08Don't worry, Tommy
14:10Tell me what you could hear
14:12Shouting
14:13Laughing
14:13I have half a radio on in the car
14:16About five live for the football
14:17Sometimes I have Galaxy
14:19When you pulled in
14:20What was playing on the radio?
14:21Don't know
14:22Oh, I know
14:24Sad song for them that haven't pulled
14:25Or just been dumped
14:26It's always on
14:27Now, it's not formula, though
14:28Though they're always playing that as well
14:30You know the one
14:31I tuned in to Classic FM once
14:33I'd rather watch Rangers play
14:36What other sounds were there?
14:41Middlesbrough
14:41He said Middlesbrough
14:43The bloke I took to Middlesbrough
14:45That's why I was in Middlesbrough
14:48Did he say anything else?
14:50No
14:50He just pulled up
14:53What does he do?
14:55Opens the door
14:55What does he say?
14:57Middlesbrough
14:58So where did he sit?
15:00Next to us
15:00What was he wearing?
15:03Friday night clothes
15:04Usually, you know
15:04He said Middlesbrough
15:06Yes
15:06What did he do, sir?
15:09I must have said something
15:10Describe his clothes
15:13I said
15:14What happened to him?
15:19I don't know
15:20So, what could you smell?
15:25Forest pine in the car
15:26Booth, booze, onions, sex, perfume, farts, fags
15:30Does this help you?
15:32Yeah
15:33What I'd like to do now
15:36Is go back up to the roundabout
15:39And drive into the marketplace again
15:41As if you were coming from Leon
15:43This time I'd like you to close your eyes
15:45When I'm driving?
15:45Yeah, I'm doing all the driving, Tommy
15:48Then we'll leave the marketplace
15:50And drive to Middlesbrough
15:51Repeating the journey you made last night
15:53I can't remember it
15:55Okay, just tell me as much as you can
15:57For instance, how fast would you drive?
15:59Depends
15:59On what?
16:01What you tell the police
16:02Well, I'll be in the papers
16:06I was on the Glasgow Herald once
16:09What for?
16:10Dangerous driving
16:11Look at God
16:12That's it
16:24Done
16:25Sorry about that
16:27It happens
16:28I wish I could remember that song
16:30It's annoying me
16:32Aerosmith, that rang any bells?
16:35It was a band like that
16:36American with a long-haired bloke singing
16:38And this is where you came to Middlesbrough?
16:40I wouldn't have come any other way
16:42Bon Jovi
16:43No, no damn
16:44Shove it anywhere in the boot
16:47I'll sort it out in the morning
16:48Could you have come another way?
16:53Depends what the fair wanted
16:54Can you describe him?
16:57I can't remember any more than what I've already said
16:59What did he say?
17:02Middlesbrough
17:02Want one?
17:04I've given up
17:05Did you talk on the journey?
17:07Only if you did
17:08I'm not talking a bloke
17:10Where was he looking?
17:12Straight ahead
17:13What was he doing with his hands?
17:19What would he be doing?
17:21He just looked straight ahead
17:22He did that for the whole journey
17:24It was odd that
17:25Because unsociables usually sit in the back
17:27Was there any noise in the car?
17:30No, but
17:30What?
17:31Something
17:33No, it's gone
17:35The radio
17:38I must have switched the radio off
17:40The office would know
17:43I'd have told them I was going to Middlesbrough
17:46And then knocked the radio
17:47Until I was nearing Bishop on the way back
17:49He must have said something
17:50Or I wouldn't have known where to go
17:52Right
17:52I don't know Middlesbrough
17:54Mine
17:57From here this time of night
17:59Looks quite pretty
18:00Shall we carry on?
18:02You'll have to give me directions
18:04We'll get lost
18:05Now if you remember where you're going
18:06How long have we been here?
18:09Twenty minutes
18:09Seems longer
18:11What music do you like then?
18:13All sorts
18:14Tell you something that's different
18:15What's that?
18:17I didn't have a flat tyre last night
18:30So what happened?
18:34Happened here
18:35What do you call this place?
18:38Over the border
18:39No man's land would be better
18:41How long was that here for?
18:45I don't know
18:46It's funny that nobody saw us
18:48Did anybody see us?
18:52I don't know
18:53I suppose it would depend
18:55On how long I was here
18:56I've never been to this place Joe
19:00But I've been to places like it
19:01In Glasgow
19:02Dundee
19:02Aberdeen
19:03It's not always been like this
19:05You know it
19:06I used to drink over there
19:07Criminal that
19:10Fire in the boozer
19:11And I bet you were underage
19:17Bit of excitement
19:19Impressed the lasses
19:20Thinking you're big
19:21A few beers
19:23Lot of vomit
19:23And then back home to your mo
19:25I did it myself Joe
19:27So what was it like here?
19:31It was a close knit community
19:32So there was always social workers visiting
19:34Any chance of a copy of those photos you've been taking?
19:43Why?
19:44A memento
19:45And I'd love a copy of the tape recordings
19:47I could play them to the family
19:48That's the first time I've been asked that
19:51And the answer's no
19:52Yeah
19:53Ah well
19:55Is this where I parked?
20:00You tell me
20:00Which house did he get into?
20:03Did he go into her house?
20:06Did what happened
20:07Happen in my taxi?
20:09Let's say that you've parked the car
20:11Over there
20:12And you've turned
20:12It's all sealed off
20:13If they only do that when
20:15I don't want to know what happened
20:19You can be scared of tomorrow right?
20:22I never thought I'd be scared of yesterday
20:24You said earlier that it was quiet
20:28Yes
20:29I just switched the engine off
20:32There was no radio
20:34Is this a bad place Joe?
20:38It's just where people live
20:39As best they can
20:41Shit
20:42He said shit
20:46When?
20:48He didn't get out of the car
20:49Tell me what happened after he said shit
20:51Where is my car Joe?
20:53Can you remember what happened before he said
20:55Shit?
20:56What?
20:56There's a car coming
20:57It's still a down in the mouth sort of place
21:17Can we get on with it?
21:18Sorry mum
21:18About three weeks ago
21:21Andy Spencer suddenly came into money
21:23He bought white goods
21:24New bikes for the kids
21:26And all he'd say is that he'd made a new career move
21:28Big dreams
21:29Gang connections?
21:30Nothing on that
21:31Spent more time in red car
21:33But had never mentioned going over the border
21:34Oh god
21:35Sorry mum but I'm next
21:36So you should be
21:38So what had Andy done?
21:39Taking someone's parking space
21:41He's come into a lot of money
21:43Then his head's blown off
21:44So who would he upset and why?
21:45Why leave Tommy Sheldon as a witness?
21:47Go do some more digging amongst your friends in Loftus Graham
21:50What now mum?
21:50No go after church
21:52Right
21:53Carol and Decker Wilson can cover Redker
21:55There must be a border connection Jeff
21:57So go back and find
21:58What the hell's going on?
21:59Slow down Joe
22:00Keep you
22:00You tell us to be careful
22:02And a police car turns up and slapped its blues on
22:04It wasn't one of our cars Joe
22:05It had police on the side
22:07In big letters
22:08The car we had following you was unmarked
22:10You are?
22:11The super insisted
22:12Because of the risk
22:13Lights
22:15Fine
22:16Tommy saw those headlights
22:18And that was it
22:19I couldn't do any more
22:20Scared him half to death
22:21And me
22:22Where is he now?
22:23I'm in a coffee
22:24Someone's with him but he needs to go home
22:26I'll sort that out mum
22:27Right
22:27Was the exercise useful?
22:29Er
22:29I need to listen to the tapes and type up my notes
22:32He'd catch sight of something
22:34A memory
22:34And not know what it was
22:36Or what it meant
22:36And when we got over the border
22:38After getting lost
22:39His tension increased
22:40How soon can we have the notes?
22:42I'll start them now
22:43I want to take Tommy back to Bishop Auckland tomorrow morning
22:47Why?
22:48There's an exercise I want to do
22:49In broad daylight
22:50It'd be perfectly safe in broad daylight
22:52Not in Bishop Auckland he won't
22:54Why do you keep making me talk to Karen Dennis, Joe?
22:57If Tommy stops now
22:58It'll be worse than when we started
22:59I'll be in my office
23:01So er
23:02What did the uniform say then?
23:04Someone reported me
23:05What were you doing, Dr Aston?
23:08Taking photographs
23:09What am I, Dr Aston?
23:19No, thanks, Tommy
23:20I've given up
23:21I used to smoke roll-ups
23:25I still do
23:26You must have known
23:30I'm not allowed to know the details
23:31You said it would help me
23:32Remembering
23:33Have you got kids?
23:38No
23:39I have
23:40So I'm not moving from this chair
23:42I'm not blaming you
23:44But put yourself in my shoes
23:45Your name hasn't been mentioned
23:46In any of the news polices
23:47It will be
23:48The polices are outside watching
23:50The boss rang me
23:52Know what he said?
23:53Hire a cab and get your head blasted
23:55He's not good customer care, Tommy
23:57Now why fast has they got the wrong man?
24:01What if it was me they wanted?
24:04Smoking that bloody chimney
24:06I wanted to help
24:09But they find out who I am
24:10They won't believe I can't remember
24:11I won't take the chance
24:13I know it's not your fault, Joe
24:15But how has this helped me?
24:17If we can bring the memory back
24:18I don't want it back, Doctor
24:20It's there now, Tommy
24:21Dodging, hiding, taunting
24:23At the moment
24:25It controls you
24:26And you need to control it
24:28Would it have been easier
24:30To look at me as well?
24:35You'll have me
24:35Some bastard will shock me
24:38Any of the social for cabin while claiming
24:40People like you, Joe
24:41You don't know the half yet
24:42You're happily married
24:44But a good job
24:45Me?
24:46Unless they are married
24:47Optimising crap
24:48Be more coming
24:49Not most Sunday evening
24:52I'd go for a pint
24:52I can't go out
24:54I can't stay in
24:55I sleep with pills
24:57Instead of the missus
24:58She wonders who I am
24:59And so do you have
25:00Not knowing what happened
25:01Is terrifying
25:02But it'll never get better, Tommy
25:04Until you do know
25:05Maybe he deserved it
25:05You ever thought of that?
25:07He wouldn't have got shot
25:08If he wasn't dodgy
25:08I mean, people don't go round
25:10Shooting others for a laugh
25:11Do they?
25:12Are you going?
25:17Yeah
25:17Look, I'm sorry
25:19That's all right, Tommy
25:20Take your time
25:21I'll call back to see you in a few days
25:24Will you be Jewel or Dr Ashton?
25:42According to the tapes
25:45Andy suddenly said shit
25:46Now, that might mean
25:47That Andy'd forgotten something
25:49Or he might have suddenly seen
25:50And maybe recognised the killer
25:52I'm no expert, Joe
25:53But could that be the key
25:54To unlocking the memory?
25:56Of course
25:56But not yet
25:57I said to Tommy
25:58I'd leave it a few days
25:59But you've said to me
26:00He won't get better
26:01Until he does know
26:02It's too soon to go back into recall
26:04I saw him last night
26:05And he's scared
26:06He wouldn't get out of his chair
26:07He is now
26:08This is a police investigation, Joe
26:10And he's here helping us
26:11With our inquiries
26:12And the sooner you resume
26:13Working with him
26:14The sooner we finish
26:15Right
26:17I'd like you to be in the room, Jeff
26:20After last night
26:21I'm not sure how Tommy will take
26:23To having just me there
26:24I think he needs to be police official
26:26If that's what you want
26:27Joe, no problem
26:27Let me know how it goes
26:29Come on then, Jeff
26:39It's not Joe's fault
26:40That you're here, Tommy
26:40And whose is it?
26:41The nut who fired the sawn off
26:43That winter's protection programme
26:47You've been on about
26:47Is that with a new identity in that?
26:50Yeah, it can be
26:51Well, the wife wanted to know
26:52If I could be due to law
26:53I'll see what I can do
26:55Can we stop?
26:58Sure
26:59Interview with Tommy Sheldon
27:0424th of October
27:069.45am
27:07Also present DC Patton
27:10Tommy, can you confirm that you've agreed to do this interview?
27:14Yes
27:15And that you've agreed that DC Patton be present?
27:18Yes
27:18Thanks, Tommy
27:19I don't know if I can do it
27:26Oh yes, Tommy
27:27Is that you do what you can
27:28What happens if I can't remember anything?
27:30Can I still be Jude Law?
27:32I'd like you to close your eyes, Tommy
27:34You've just arrived at the border
27:37Andy Spencer's sitting beside you
27:40Are you okay?
27:44Good
27:44You've just pulled up
27:46What do you do?
27:48Wait
27:48What are you waiting for?
27:50I switch the engine off
27:51Why?
27:53I don't know
27:53I switch the headlights off
27:55Now what are you doing?
27:58Waiting
27:58Tell me what you can see from where you're sitting
28:01Streetlight
28:02Shadows
28:04I can smell cigarette smoke
28:07He's smoking
28:09You're not allowed to smoke in the car
28:10Could I have some water?
28:17There you go
28:18So Andy's smoking
28:21Do you say anything?
28:23No
28:23Does Andy say anything?
28:25Shit
28:26So Andy says shit?
28:28No
28:29No, he shouts loud
28:30Tell me what you can see, Tommy
28:33His hands
28:34Whose hands?
28:36His hands
28:36What do his hands look like, Tommy?
28:39Dirty
28:39Oil
28:40Rings
28:42Describe the rings
28:43Just rings
28:44Describe his hands
28:46Grubby
28:46What's he doing with them?
28:50Keeping them still
28:50All the way there
28:52The only time his hands moved was to light the cigarette and to
28:55What?
28:57Get out of the car
28:58Can you see Andy opening the door?
29:01He's trying
29:02When?
29:03Shouting shit and then
29:04He can't
29:06Where's he looking?
29:09Not at me
29:09Where's he looking?
29:11Somewhere else
29:11Tell me everything you can see
29:14Hands
29:15Lights
29:16On the hands
29:17Rings
29:17The hands
29:18His hands
29:20I can't bloody well remember
29:22It's alright
29:23Tommy
29:24It's alright
29:25Can we get you anything?
29:30Tea
29:32Just see if you do
29:33I've always wanted to know
29:38When taxi drivers make the most money
29:40When they overcharge
29:42I don't suppose you make much in the middle of the night, do you?
29:48I like driving at night
29:49It's different
29:50Not necessarily
29:51At least you always know who's getting in the car with you
29:54True enough
29:55When they first get in you don't take much notice
29:58You want to move fast to make your money
30:01And the police want you to move fast so the town is cleared or drunk in numpties
30:04Ask for the fare up front, you paid
30:08You always ask for the money up front
30:11For long journeys
30:14Because some do a runner
30:16Make a bit extra then
30:18They pay up front, say £40
30:20Then on the outskirts of Middlesbrough you knock the meter off
30:22Might only say £20
30:24And when you do that you pocket the difference
30:25Little victories I call them
30:27He wouldn't have noticed, not him
30:30Did Andy say anything?
30:33No
30:33So it's quiet
30:35Because he'd switched the engine off
30:38And he didn't say anything
30:41What can you see inside the car?
30:46His hands are moving
30:48Andy's hands?
30:50But he can't move, he's still
30:51What can you see outside the car?
30:54Something
30:54Something
30:55Moving
30:55The smell's wrong
30:57What smells wrong?
30:59His hands
31:00Tell me about the smell
31:02It's the wrong smell for a Friday night
31:04Andy smells wrong?
31:07Yes
31:07It's close to a Friday night
31:10The smell isn't
31:12Describe the hands
31:14Oil
31:14Rings
31:15Andy's hands?
31:17Andy's hands
31:17It's covered
31:18There's like a sick
31:19Kebabs
31:20Onions
31:21Fats
31:21Perfume
31:22Friday night
31:23There's something else
31:25And he's not there
31:27He's running
31:29He's there and I'm covered
31:31And he's
31:31They're running
31:32I'm not
31:34He's not
31:35He can't move
31:39I can't move
31:41Is Joe still with him, Jeff?
32:00They're in his office
32:01I wouldn't want to be in Tommy's head
32:03Leave forensic, Mum
32:04Fibre traces from overalls on Andy's clothes
32:07So he wore overalls to protect his clothes
32:09So maybe the van
32:12If it is a van
32:13Is nothing the best of Nick
32:14Dirty, mucky, you know
32:16Tommy's sure about the smell, yeah?
32:18Well, I haven't
32:19So is Joe
32:19Says smell is one thing Tommy picks up on
32:21And there were traces on his hands
32:23I never knew Durr smelled different to petrol
32:25So was it Andy's van?
32:27He didn't own one
32:28Stolen, then
32:29Then dumped in Bishop
32:30Check for stolen and abandoned vans
32:33You could do that now if you wanted to, Jeff
32:36Yes, Mum
32:37So tell me about Loftus
32:40Last month, customs had a tip-off
32:43That Andy had cigarettes worth a small fortune in his house
32:46They went in full force late at night and found nothing
32:49He wasn't known to them
32:50So the only reason they went in
32:53Is because they had an anonymous phone call
32:55So Andy had moved into smuggling
32:57He was suddenly spending money like water
33:01So he'd already done one run
33:02And if he was treading on toes
33:04The raid was a warning to back off
33:06Do you want Tommy to look at photos of likely suspects?
33:09When Joe thinks he's ready
33:10I think we can rule Tommy out now
33:12So why didn't they shoot him as well, Mum?
33:15Who knows?
33:16Have a listen to this
33:17Is it the wrong smell for a Friday night?
33:23Andy smells raw
33:24Yes
33:25There's clothes a Friday night
33:28The smell isn't
33:30Describe the hands
33:31Oil
33:32Rings
33:33Andy's hands
33:34Andy's hands
33:35Covered
33:36There's like a set
33:37Kebabs
33:38Onions
33:39Farts
33:39Perfume
33:40Friday night
33:40There's something else
33:43And he's not there
33:45Well?
33:48And his hands
33:49You feeling better?
33:55Yes
33:56Why did Jeff want to know when I got my tobacco?
33:59I don't know
34:00You work with the police, right?
34:03But you're not police
34:04That's right
34:05Solo operator
34:06Just like a taxi driver
34:08Everybody's friendly
34:10Until it all goes wrong
34:11I didn't tell them where I got my tobacco
34:13Can't crass up the lads, eh?
34:15Who'd stick by me then?
34:21We've got to do it again, haven't we, Joe?
34:23Yeah
34:23Shit happens
34:25That's what I said to the missus
34:26And she said
34:27But it's all the bloody time with you
34:28She'll come round
34:30I bet she sends me a car from Barbados
34:33You said it'd get better
34:37It will
34:37Any idea when?
34:40Come in
34:40Sorry to disturb you
34:43How are you feeling, Tommy?
34:44Looking forward to being Jude Law
34:45Right
34:46Can I have a word outside, Joe?
34:49We carry on
34:49I'm taking a call from Hollywood
34:50Has he put something in his cigarettes
34:54Or is this delayed shock?
34:55It's fine
34:56It seems as if he's ready to start again
34:58Yeah
34:59I want to go back in
35:00Right, Joe
35:01We're interested in the rings
35:03That Andy was wearing
35:04He wasn't wearing any rings
35:06Tell us there's another witness
35:12Go on
35:13Sorry
35:14May as well get on with it, then
35:17I'd like to go back
35:18To when you arrived over the border
35:20Again?
35:22If I was a suspect
35:23I'd be really hacked off
35:24Interview with Tommy Sheldon
35:2624th of October
35:283.05pm
35:29I'd like you to close your eyes, Tommy
35:32What I'm going to do
35:34Is play some of the tapes
35:35And I'll do this
35:37Two or three times
35:38But I don't want you to say anything
35:39Even if a new or different memory emerges
35:41Okay
35:42What are you waiting for?
35:45I switched the engine off
35:46Why?
35:47I don't know
35:48I switched the headlights off
35:49Now what are you doing?
35:52Waiting
35:52Tell me what you can see from where he says it
35:55Come on
35:56He didn't say anything
36:05What can you see inside the car?
36:10His hands
36:11I'm moving
36:12And his hands
36:13He can't move, he's still
36:15What can you see outside the car?
36:18Something
36:18Something
36:19What I'm going to do now, Tommy
36:21Is say a word
36:22And then you say the first word
36:24That comes into your head
36:25Word association?
36:26Did that as kids
36:27But we'd only use dirty words
36:28Are you ready?
36:31Right then
36:31Engine
36:33Off
36:34Look
36:35Ahead
36:35Head
36:36Head
36:38Lice
36:39Lice
36:40Hair
36:41Hair
36:41Wet
36:42Dry
36:43Wet
36:43Hair
36:44Face
36:45Man
36:46Dead
36:47Blood
36:47Shit
36:49Hands
36:49Rings
36:50Fingers
36:51Hands
36:52Hands
36:53Shotgun
36:55Rings
36:56Shotgun
36:57Noise
36:58Shotgun
36:58Hands
36:59Shotgun
37:00Smell
37:00Shotgun
37:01Shit
37:02Blood
37:03Red
37:04Black
37:04Black
37:05Cup
37:05Hands
37:06Rings
37:07Hands
37:09Shotgun
37:09Shotgun
37:11Rings
37:12Engine
37:12Off
37:13Look
37:13Streetlight
37:14Outside
37:15Rings
37:15Stop!
37:24I don't know about Tommy
37:25But I'm knackered
37:26Aren't we all?
37:27But we still need him to remember
37:29You want him to remember
37:30So that you can catch the killer
37:32But Tommy needs to remember
37:33To get some sort of life back
37:34Isn't that the same?
37:36No
37:36Wanted to remember enough for you
37:38That's it
37:39You concentrate on preparing for the CPS
37:41He's still got a lot more to remember
37:43But he must be feeling better
37:44He must be
37:45One more session, Joan
37:47We'll call it a day
37:48A bit more detail
37:48And we'll all be happy
37:49Here they are
37:51Right, Tommy
37:53Is that better?
37:54Yeah
37:54It's not bad
37:56But you could do with some better pictures
37:57On the canteen wall
37:58All right, let's go in, Tommy
38:01Bishop think they've found the van
38:03We're nearly there then
38:06Why can I only remember some things?
38:14It keeps piling in
38:15And it makes sense
38:16And then it doesn't
38:16What is it about the rings?
38:19I keep seeing rings
38:21And the smell
38:22And the noise
38:23I'm very tired, Joel
38:25Very
38:26Okay, we'll do this final bit
38:28And then we'll finish
38:29Have a look at this photograph
38:31Isn't that where we were?
38:34Is it?
38:34Yeah
38:34Who's we?
38:36Me and Andy
38:36Describe the photograph to me
38:38It's night
38:40Not all the streetlights are on
38:41One's shining on the car
38:43Why are you sitting there?
38:47Close your eyes, Tommy
38:48Now imagine I'm Andy Spencer
38:51Sitting beside you in the car
38:52Shit!
38:57Stop in that position
38:58What can you see?
38:59It's hands
39:00Describe them
39:00Rings
39:01Glinting
39:02Whose hands?
39:02Rings
39:03Chunky rings
39:04On both hands
39:04Whose hands?
39:05Holding the shotgun
39:06Rings
39:06Chunky
39:07Glinting
39:08It's quiet
39:10And he keeps looking
39:11I can see the rings
39:12A noise
39:13It won't go away
39:14Describe the noise
39:15It's the sound of
39:16It's like a bear
39:17Crying asleep
39:18I can see him
39:21And then?
39:23I'm wet
39:24And warm
39:25And the rings
39:26And he's looking at me
39:27And I can see him
39:28And then
39:29I can see him
39:31He looks at Andy
39:33He looks at me
39:35Headlights
39:38There's a car coming
39:39He's running
39:40I'm cold
39:42My clothes
39:44My clothes are warm
39:45They're wet
39:45Andy's on his seat
39:48But there's nothing there
39:50I can see him outside
39:54He was looking at me
39:59Come on Tommy
40:23You just read what you said
40:25To Dr Aston
40:26I can't remember
40:27You can
40:28I'm the mother and father
40:30Of all wise monkeys
40:31Hail no evil
40:32See no evil
40:33Speak no evil
40:35A relapse is not uncommon
40:37Anne
40:37Listen Joe
40:38We subpoena him
40:39And he'll have to testify
40:40If this relapse is genuine
40:43Then be prepared to have your expertise
40:45Savaged by the defence
40:46If he's a hostile witness
40:48You'll have to testify
40:50That the work you did
40:51Before he turned hostile
40:52Is valid
40:52And that now he's lying
40:54Either way
40:55You've got to work with him again
40:56For your sake
40:58And his
40:58Look I've only been able
40:59To work with Tommy
41:00Because he trusts me
41:01I walk in now
41:02And that trust walks out
41:03Given how fragile he is
41:05He's a witness
41:05Not a patient
41:07An impossible distinction
41:08Not when it has to be made
41:10You know him best Joe
41:14So do what's for the best
41:16But you can't leave us all
41:17In no man's land
41:18I'll just phone Helen
41:23She's off back to London
41:25First thing
41:25I wish it could be different
41:27Why should he have to go back
41:29Into a nightmare
41:29Because he was in the wrong place
41:32At the wrong time
41:38In Over the Border
41:50By David Napthine
41:52Dr. Joe Astin
41:53Was played by Jeremy Swift
41:55Tommy by Vincent Friel
41:57DC Jeff Patton
41:59By Paul Brennan
42:00DI Anne Reynolds
42:02By Janet Dibley
42:02And DC Hamilton
42:04By Andrew Harrison
42:05The director was Toby Swift
42:09At The klaar as systems
42:11The店
42:14By ج ar want a skin
42:15Did you know
42:19of Thomas
42:24Jimmy
42:25Joe Astin
42:26Joe Astin
42:27Joe Astin
42:28Joe Astin
42:28Joe Astin
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42:31Joe Astin
42:33Joe Astin
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