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00:00You know what I mean?

00:26I couldn't believe it, but I saw it.

00:30The flames, you know.

00:32I heard the noise first.

00:33The whoosh and then...

00:35That was it.

00:37The car, right?

00:38Saw the car.

00:40If I'd been in the road, it would have knocked us down.

00:42No chance.

00:43I keep telling you, I couldn't move.

00:45Just watched the flames.

00:47But the rhinoceros wasn't there.

00:49Must have driven off in the car.

00:54The Recall Man.

00:56Can't See for Looking.

00:57By David Napfine.

01:00With Jeremy Swift as Dr Joe Astin.

01:08That's what Donna says.

01:10A rhinoceros.

01:11A rhinoceros.

01:13Well?

01:14An interesting identity parade.

01:16It's serious, Joe, and we need you on this.

01:18I haven't got time.

01:19You have, believe me.

01:20Well, I'll see what I can do.

01:23In between all the other cases, teaching and buying a house to live in, what can you tell me?

01:28The shop is on Linthorpe Road and was completely gutted.

01:31There were no casualties, thank God.

01:33Which is lucky, because the family live above the shop and Mr Iqbal sells fabrics.

01:37I've had a word with the fire investigator and he thinks it's arson, but that hasn't been confirmed.

01:42Did he mention a rhinoceros?

01:44No.

01:45Has anyone else mentioned a rhinoceros?

01:47No.

01:48But a rhinoceros is our only suspect.

01:50It wasn't a rhinoceros, Joe.

01:52The witness says otherwise.

01:53Yes.

01:55Was she definitely there?

01:56Yes, but she wasn't there when the fire and police arrived.

01:59Was she on something?

02:00That's what Jeff thinks.

02:02And you?

02:03She was in the vicinity at the time of the attack.

02:06There's a witness to that.

02:07If she's living in La La Land, Anne, you don't need me.

02:11All I'm asking, Joe, is that you work with us using a time-honoured method of solving crimes.

02:16Witches?

02:16Clutching at straws.

02:18All right, Anne, I might be able to see her after I've seen you.

02:20She's in room two.

02:26It's a great laugh, Joe.

02:28I can call you Joe.

02:30You being a doctor and that, but you don't seem like one.

02:33And don't get us wrong, it's just that, you know, well, doctors are sort of better dressed.

02:39Clean shoes and that.

02:42This festival done it?

02:43Love it, me.

02:45We'll always go.

02:45Me and the kids.

02:47Well, it's free for a start.

02:48Well, most of it.

02:49Not all, but the big things are, you know.

02:52You should go, Joe.

02:53Take the bends.

02:55All sorts there.

02:57Big, like, fireworks and that.

02:59People on stilts from all over the place.

03:01Poland, Spain, Newcastle.

03:04So I always take the bends.

03:06We'd gone early afternoon because it was a nice day.

03:09Took a picnic.

03:10Though they had burgers as well.

03:12And then afterwards I took the bends back to their dad because he had some holiday and he was taking them away first thing.

03:17Flamingo land, that's where he goes.

03:20Though it could have been Lightwater Valley.

03:22He's got a caravan.

03:24Well, it's his girlfriends.

03:27Don't like her.

03:28Ugly bitch.

03:30Seeing softer faces on K2.

03:31But Chantal and Wesley deserve a treat.

03:34He went at me about keeping them up late.

03:37Like, he knows how to look after them.

03:39Eesh.

03:40What can you do?

03:42The lake go in there.

03:44God knows why.

03:46He's got parental responsibility.

03:49But if they end up liking her, I'll send them to a shrink.

03:51After you dropped the kids off, what did you do?

03:56I went to the kebab or something.

03:57So I was walking along Linthorpe Road when I saw it.

04:02Nearly crapped me cell.

04:03Dropped me chips, garlic sauce all down me front.

04:05And this car.

04:08And the shop burning.

04:09And you hear of these things, but you know.

04:12Just glad no one was hurt.

04:13Because then bends burnt to death in that house in Cargo Fleet not long back.

04:17Remember that?

04:18Terrible, that.

04:20But that was an accident.

04:21But this, you know, it wasn't.

04:29You all right?

04:31Can you describe the noise you heard, Donna?

04:34What noise?

04:35The noise that made you turn round.

04:37When I was eating me chips?

04:38Yeah.

04:41A sort of whoosh.

04:44A whoosh?

04:46Well, you know, a whoosh sort of whoosh.

04:50Like that.

04:51And that made you turn round?

04:52Yeah.

04:53And when you turned round, what did you see?

04:56A rhinoceros.

04:58You sure it was a rhinoceros?

04:59Positive.

05:00When can I go?

05:01Because I've got the rent man coming in.

05:02I need to be there.

05:03It would be helpful if you could stay a little longer.

05:06I'd like to do some tests.

05:08Tests?

05:09They'll help us find out exactly what happened.

05:11Not making it up.

05:13I'm not saying you are.

05:14Then why the tests?

05:15They're for me, not you.

05:16They'll help me understand what you saw.

05:20You're not like other doctors, are you?

05:22What did Mr. Iqbal have to say for himself this time?

05:35It's like getting the lid out of a stone.

05:37I'm not having it that they're still in shock.

05:39It's almost as if they don't want anyone caught.

05:41Perhaps they're scared, which is understandable.

05:43Especially if it was a racist attack.

05:45Was it?

05:45It can't be ruled out.

05:46I've got Alison looking into that.

05:48There's no previous reports of harassment.

05:50They're not always reported.

05:51I don't understand that.

05:52I really don't.

05:53There could be other reasons.

05:54Insurance scam, protection record, commercial dispute.

05:57All reasons for him to say nothing.

05:59Come on, Geoff.

05:59I can't be late for that.

06:00And?

06:01And?

06:01What?

06:02Quick word.

06:04How's it going, Professor?

06:05Call me that again and I'll set you an assignment.

06:07I've got a briefing, Joe, and I'm late.

06:09I want to do some tests.

06:10Fine.

06:11It's the way she tells her story.

06:12You don't say.

06:13Very emphatic.

06:14Muddled, but that may well be just the eagerness to get everything out.

06:18Geoff, I'd like to listen to the tape of your interview with Donna.

06:21Go ahead.

06:22And I thought you might want to know about the tests, Anne.

06:24Tell me later.

06:25Just do what you've got to do.

06:26Fine.

06:27Just make sure the tests are kosher.

06:31You saw the shop on fire?

06:33Yeah.

06:34And then you got in a taxi?

06:35Not straight away.

06:36I had to wait Sunday night, see?

06:38Taxis.

06:39You know what they're like?

06:40Why didn't you wait until the police or the fire brigade got there?

06:44You're joking?

06:45So why have you come in now?

06:46I wanted to get home, then.

06:48If you saw what happened, then why didn't you...

06:50What do you mean?

06:51If?

06:52So what did you say?

06:53I said I saw the shop go up in flames and the car speed away.

06:57Can you describe the car?

06:58Not with garlic sauce down my front.

07:00Ah, last one in Primark as well.

07:02This rhinoceros.

07:04What about this?

07:05What did it do?

07:07Torched the shop.

07:10What's the matter?

07:11Donna, you don't get rhinos in the butter.

07:13I know.

07:13I could charge you for wasting police time.

07:17Why for?

07:17Because, Donna, you're sitting here taking the piss.

07:19I'm trying to help.

07:21Then tell us what you saw.

07:22Oh, sod you.

07:23Sit down, Donna.

07:24Why the bloody hell, should I?

07:28Know what I mean?

07:30Is that the truth I mean?

07:31No wonder people don't bother helping.

07:34Well, Geoff's a good policeman, Donna, but he finds what you saw difficult to understand.

07:39Do you?

07:40Yes.

07:41Oh, then why are you here?

07:43Because I want to understand.

07:44I saw what I saw.

07:46I know.

07:46Do you?

07:48Yeah.

07:50So what I'd like to do now is...

07:51So there's no wrong with this?

07:52Nothing to worry about.

07:55So what now?

07:58Describe for me how you felt when you saw the shop go up in flames.

08:04Terrified?

08:05That's why I didn't hang around.

08:07Would you?

08:08Thought they might want to get me.

08:10Didn't seem bothered, Blake.

08:11Going too fast, they were.

08:13Getting away.

08:13I saw the car speed away and the shop go up in flames.

08:17You see, I want to understand exactly what happened that night.

08:21Oh, I've said...

08:21And I need to get it clear for myself.

08:23Oh, right.

08:24So it might help if you closed your eyes.

08:27Right.

08:29Now, you're on Linthorpe Road.

08:31Right.

08:32Eating chips and garlic sauce.

08:35Right.

08:36Are you walking or are you standing?

08:40When?

08:41When you're eating.

08:43I'm sort of standing.

08:45That's what I'm doing.

08:47Sort of standing?

08:48Well, you know, walking a bit, then stopping.

08:52But not walking for long and not stopping for long.

08:55Now, you've just heard the noise.

08:56Right.

08:57What are you doing?

08:59Looking in the shop window.

09:02Something caught me eye.

09:04You know how it is.

09:06Don't know what.

09:07And then I heard this car pulling away dead fast.

09:10I hadn't seen it stop, so I don't know where it was.

09:14Then, I saw the shop go up in flames.

09:19Like one big whoosh.

09:21Like being back at the festival.

09:23That's what I thought.

09:24But it was scary, this.

09:26So when did you see the rhinoceros?

09:29Rhinoceros?

09:31Rhinoceros?

09:32On Linthorpe Road?

09:35I can be a dozy cow, but I don't...

09:38Have you seen Dave?

09:39Yeah, haven't, Billy?

09:40I was supposed to meet him.

09:42Oh, not seeing him.

09:44Right.

09:45If you see him, tell him I was after him.

09:47I will, Billy.

09:49That was Billy.

09:50Right.

09:51Good lad, it's Billy.

09:52Any milk?

09:53In the fridge.

09:56Lives next door.

09:57Hey, good as gold with his man.

09:59Needed sugar as well.

10:04Do anything for it, you would.

10:06Anything for me.

10:08Hey, your coffee's going cold.

10:10I'm fine, thanks.

10:11What show did you see at the festival?

10:14Lots.

10:15Was there a favourite?

10:19Foreign company on stilts doing fire things, you know?

10:22What they could do on them stilts was nobody's business.

10:25They had sort of cloaks, you know?

10:28That reached to the ground so you couldn't see the stilts.

10:31And great big masks, you know?

10:33Mint, as the Bairns would say.

10:35All this fire and music and you know and that.

10:38What was the story, Donna?

10:41No idea.

10:42Can you describe the masks?

10:44Animals.

10:46What sort of animals?

10:48Weird ones.

10:49Like you don't normally see.

10:51Well, not in Stockton anyway.

10:52What's this got to do with the fire?

10:56I don't know yet.

10:57And what makes you think I saw a rhinoceros?

11:02What did you see?

11:03A dinosaur.

11:05Describe the dinosaur.

11:08It wasn't big.

11:10It was standing on attained legs, covered in scales.

11:14Had a sort of horn.

11:15Horn.

11:22Sorry, Joe, but it's Jason.

11:24Jason?

11:25The rent man.

11:27Oh, don't mind me, Donna.

11:29I wasn't expecting him.

11:31Well, I can wait.

11:32The thing is, Joe, well, you know.

11:39Oh, will you be longer than a few minutes then?

11:42I bloody well hope so.

11:43Ah, let's see.

11:44Right.

11:44Sorry, Joe, but, well, you know.

11:47Yeah, well, we can arrange another time.

11:52Thanks, Joe.

11:53OK.

11:53Can you describe the masks?

12:03Animals.

12:04What sort of animals?

12:06Weird ones, like you don't normally see.

12:09Well, not in Stockton anyway.

12:12What's this got to do with the fire?

12:14I don't know yet.

12:17And what makes you think I saw a rhinoceros?

12:21What did you see?

12:22A dinosaur?

12:25What the hell is she playing at?

12:27One minute it's a rhino, the next it's a dinosaur.

12:30What is interesting, Anne, is her absolute certainty when she says what she says.

12:34She keeps contradicting herself.

12:36What are they wants?

12:37It's a fundamental contradiction, Joe.

12:39There's a difference between a rhinoceros and a dinosaur.

12:41And we don't want to be done for wrongful arrest.

12:44It's not funny.

12:45Then why are you smiling?

12:46I'm not.

12:48We do know for definite that she was there at that time.

12:50She was in a takeaway buying chips with garlic sauce.

12:53The takeaway remembers her.

12:54She's a regular.

12:55Could they be mistaken?

12:56Of course they could, Steve.

12:58Since I ran the test with Donna, I've spoken to her doctor.

13:01And what have you discovered?

13:02Binswanger's encephalopathy.

13:04I am now getting a migraine.

13:08Donna is of average intelligence, and her performance in the test showed no obvious dysfunction.

13:14The memory tests do show impairment, though not uniform.

13:18Her medical records show no frontal lobe damage or previous memory loss, but she has developed

13:23high blood pressure, a common precondition of Binswanger's encephalopathy.

13:28So?

13:29Binswanger's gives rise to confabulation, where recall is logically consistent, but key factors

13:34change.

13:35Rhinoceros.

13:36Dinosaur.

13:36Precisely.

13:38She saw the shop set on fire.

13:39She saw the car speeding away.

13:41She has seen a rhinoceros.

13:42She has seen a dinosaur.

13:44She has seen all these things, but not at the same time.

13:47Is Donna a reliable witness?

13:50She was there, and she saw something or someone.

13:52But who or what?

13:54I have no idea.

13:55Why does that phrase always make me nervous?

13:58Okay, I'll see you later.

14:00Thanks, Joe.

14:01See you.

14:02All right, let's concentrate on what we can deal with.

14:07Alison.

14:08Nothing so far, ma'am, from any of the non-racist groups.

14:11It seems they're all trying to be respectable in cheap suits.

14:14Geoff.

14:14I paid another visit to Mr. Higbell and met an old friend.

14:18Flash.

14:19Flash?

14:20Yeah, he said he was there just to see if there was anything he could do to help.

14:23Oh, such kindness.

14:24Does that mean Asif's involved?

14:25I wondered.

14:26That means a visit to Club International and a chat with Asif.

14:29I hate Club International.

14:30DC Thomas will go with you.

14:32Do I have to?

14:33I've seen Geoff dance.

14:36They won't say anything, ma'am.

14:37Certainly not to us.

14:38It's got to be done.

14:39The fire investigator says it was definitely arson.

14:42Glass on the inside of the shop and evidence of two petrol bombs.

14:45So they wanted to make sure.

14:47And what did her husband say, Steve?

14:49Well, when I found him at the Caralan Park, he said,

14:51what's the stupid cow done now?

14:53When we told him, he said she should have kept a fat nose out of it,

14:56as that's what most people would do.

14:57But if the cow had dominoes for brains, they'd be double blank.

15:01Then he scratched his tattoos, farted, and lit a Lambert and Butler.

15:05I've also been checking fancy dress hire shops,

15:07but there's not much call for rhinoceros masks.

15:09Check for dinosaurs.

15:10All right, carry on and keep all options open.

15:23Anne, I forgot to ask you something.

15:25What can I do for you?

15:25No chips, please.

15:27That night she'd been to the Stockton International Riverside Festival.

15:31Yes, please.

15:32Do you know it?

15:32Have you never been?

15:34No.

15:35Street theatre, spectacle.

15:36I saw this one show a couple of years back.

15:38It had abseiling, musicians, paratechnics.

15:41Not your cup of tea, Joe.

15:43I'll leave the arty-farty stuff to Helen.

15:45Why do you want to know about the festival?

15:47The germ of an idea, that's all.

15:49I don't want you to spend too much time on, Donna.

15:51I can't, can I?

15:52Too many other things to do.

15:53You've got that glint in your eye.

15:55I can see a conference paper coming.

15:57Is there anything from forensic?

15:59No.

16:00Mr. Iqbal?

16:02No.

16:03Anything from the investigating team?

16:05No.

16:06I'll carry on with Donna, then, shall I?

16:08So what are you going to do?

16:09Take her for a walk along Linthorpe Road.

16:12You know how to give a girl a good time.

16:14Oh, yes.

16:26It was colder.

16:27Not had much of a summer.

16:28Span's I feel sorry for.

16:31Especially with her dad and his new girlfriend.

16:33Oh, right, cap-a-slap-a-shitters.

16:36But the kids need a holiday.

16:39Can't afford it, me.

16:40Not even a leaky caravan.

16:42Well, you've seen where I live.

16:45Wouldn't live there if I had the choice.

16:48That's what I liked about them shows.

16:50The reminders of hot countries.

16:52I went to Spain once.

16:53I liked the heat.

16:55Which shop were you looking in?

16:56Don't buy down here.

16:59I wouldn't look in the shops.

17:01I was staring at the sky when it happened.

17:03Trying to see the stars.

17:06Some hope round here.

17:08So take me to where you were standing.

17:09It must have been over there, by that shop.

17:16Have I looked in that shop?

17:17Funny stuff, the cell.

17:19Not that I ever looked.

17:20Not really.

17:21Don't hang about on Linthorpe Road.

17:23Not unless I have to.

17:25Might get mistaken, see.

17:27Know what I mean?

17:29Shall we cross over, then?

17:31Come on, Asif.

17:46Flash works for you.

17:47So what was he doing with Mr Iqbal?

17:49Helping.

17:51We're a close-knit community.

17:53You and your lady friends should dance.

17:54That's what my clubs are for.

17:56Did you ever do business with Mr Iqbal?

17:58No.

17:58So was Flash doing private business with Mr Iqbal?

18:01Ask him, not me.

18:02Can we go to your office, Asif?

18:03No.

18:09Yeah, it was here.

18:11Yeah.

18:12I was standing here.

18:13Tell me what happened.

18:16I was looking in the shop window, thinking what a load of tat.

18:19When I heard the window smash.

18:21It was behind us.

18:22And I looked.

18:24And there was this.

18:26Donna?

18:28There was this rhinoceros throwing something into the shop.

18:34And then it was in the car and speeding away.

18:38And the whooshes of the shop caught fire.

18:40The rhinoceros?

18:41What about it?

18:42How did it move?

18:45It wasn't right, Joe.

18:47You know?

18:49What wasn't right?

18:50I kept thinking.

18:53What was a rhinoceros doing in Linthorpe Road?

18:56And it got in the car.

18:58And I kept thinking about it.

18:59I did see it.

19:01I did.

19:03How the hell did it get here?

19:04And why did it set fire to a shop?

19:08Something to do with animal liberation.

19:10If it had been the sex shop, I could understand it, you know?

19:14Rhino horn and all that.

19:16Helps a man keep it up.

19:17That's right, isn't it?

19:19So they say.

19:22I mean, it wasn't really a rhinoceros, was it?

19:26Well, not really.

19:27Really.

19:27Look, you're welcome to be here as long as you smile.

19:39You're bad for business at the moment.

19:41I'd help you if I could.

19:42I want the bastard's court who did that to Wasim.

19:45My advice to you.

19:47Get him before I do.

19:48Did he ever lend him money?

19:50It's possible.

19:50Did he default on his payments?

19:52No one would do that, Jeff.

19:54Not good business practice.

19:55Darren, get these good people a drink on the house.

19:59Thanks.

19:59We're not stern.

20:00Suit yourself.

20:02I bet that suit costs something.

20:04Yeah.

20:05And he knows how to wear it.

20:07Why is Flash called Flash?

20:09I guess you see the flash of the blade just before you're sliced.

20:12Hey!

20:12Thought it was you.

20:14Oh, hello, Dunnett.

20:15Just been with Joe.

20:16Is this your lass?

20:17She's a colleague.

20:19I know that man.

20:20She could still be your lass.

20:21But I'm not.

20:22Ask us to dance, then.

20:24He's got two left feet.

20:25I'll have a drink instead.

20:27All right, Donna.

20:28Billy, are you going to buy us a drink?

20:31Didn't know you knocked around with coppers.

20:33This one interviewed us.

20:34Why for?

20:35About that package that got burnt.

20:37Is that right?

20:39Your Mickey's in.

20:40He's not my Mickey, Billy.

20:42He's a tosser.

20:43I'm just saying, that's all.

20:46See you later.

20:46See you.

20:47How did he know I was a copper?

20:49He took one look at your suit.

20:51We'd best go.

20:52Donna!

20:52If me husband's in, I'd like you to stay.

20:54You stupid cow.

20:56Hey, leave her alone.

20:57What's it to you?

20:58Oh, sod off, Mickey.

20:59Shut your face.

21:00You heard what she said.

21:01What's it to you?

21:02That cop has your daft sod.

21:04So?

21:05Ruined the Burns holiday they did.

21:06Thanks to you.

21:07Is there a problem?

21:08It's all right.

21:08We'll handle this.

21:09This is my club.

21:11What's up, Mickey?

21:12That stupid tart.

21:14Donna.

21:15Got the police on me back.

21:17All because some stupid puggies got torched.

21:19No offence, I say.

21:20None taken.

21:21Where's the Burns?

21:23With someone who can look after them.

21:25That cow.

21:26They can come back home.

21:28Oh, Jason with his missus tonight.

21:30I think it would be best...

21:31She'll have you next, copper.

21:32I don't want to taste.

21:33Come on, Mickey.

21:34Let me get you a drink.

21:36You all right, Donna?

21:38Yeah.

21:38I think you'd best get home.

21:40Sod that.

21:41I can get many nights out.

21:43Besides, Jason's just got in.

21:46Jason, over there.

21:48Huh?

21:49Interesting shirt.

21:50And is that the Jason that Mickey was?

21:53If Jason sees Mickey, then I'll be...

21:54What?

21:55Jason!

21:56How'd you call back the man?

21:57You haven't had that.

21:59Stop it, Dad.

22:00Stop it.

22:13So your husband was there?

22:18Thought Jason was going to go for him.

22:20Jason?

22:21You know, Jason.

22:23The rent man.

22:25Of course.

22:26All right.

22:27So you're going to ask me the same questions?

22:29I'd like to hear the story again.

22:31Again?

22:33Seems a waste of time, but whatever.

22:35I prefer talking in my house than the copper shop.

22:37Always feel guilty there.

22:39No matter that I've done now.

22:40You're recording this?

22:43It helps me.

22:45You ready?

22:47Now, you dropped the kids off at their father's.

22:50And started walking towards Linthorpe Road.

22:53Past the ship, mate.

22:55Oh, still open, like.

22:56Looked as if it was, anyway.

22:57And I thought about it looking, because I hate handing the bairns over.

23:00You can see what he's like.

23:02He spends more money on tattoos than the kids.

23:04Turned into Linthorpe Road and went and had chips with garlic sauce, because I was starving by this time.

23:11So I got some and started eating them as I walked along.

23:15Then I stopped at the shop.

23:18Then, next thing, a car screeched to a halt and this rhino threw some it.

23:24And the next thing, the shop was on fire and I couldn't move.

23:27Wouldn't surprise me if that bastard had done it.

23:29That's why he was pissed off the kids were laid back.

23:32Know what I mean?

23:33Racial list is Mickey.

23:36The car screeched off and I just watched the flames.

23:40Could do now, you know.

23:42And I just thought, well, I...

23:44Her story is always consistent.

23:46The sequence of events and the timings.

23:48Stockton Festival.

23:50Kids to the dads.

23:51Linthorpe Road.

23:52Chips with garlic sauce.

23:54Then she stops.

23:55And her reason for stopping...

23:56I'm sorry, Joe, but where is this taking us?

23:58You'll see.

23:59She always stops.

24:01And she always sees something or someone set fire to the shop.

24:05Dinosaur.

24:06Rhinoceros.

24:07Yeah, well, with confabulation, a memory gap can be filled with inappropriate information.

24:13So?

24:13The information used to plug this gap is drawn from another source,

24:17another series of events that the person has witnessed or been part of.

24:21The choice of information may seem random to us, but it isn't to Donna.

24:25You with me?

24:26No, but carry on.

24:27Donna's not aware that she's doing this because her reality monitoring process is impaired.

24:32Sometime and somewhere she saw a rhinoceros, dinosaur or some similar creature which for some reason has significance for her and she's filled the gap in her memory caused by witnessing the arson attack with that memory.

24:46Now, it's only a hypothesis.

24:48And it doesn't tell us who torched the shop.

24:51What if she does know who committed the crime but is substituting something else because her unconscious is reluctant to bring exactly what she did see to the surface?

25:00Is that the best you can say, Joe?

25:03Yes.

25:07So?

25:07The husband, Mickey?

25:08He's a racist.

25:09His girlfriend?

25:11Billy?

25:11Neighbours?

25:12Asif?

25:12That rules out a racist attack.

25:14There's a rumour of a new neo-fascist group that make the others look like Boy Scouts.

25:18Keep looking, Alison.

25:19And what did you find out last night?

25:21Asif was not forthcoming.

25:22But Donna was at the Club International.

25:25She seems to know a lot of people and she's obviously a regular because Asif knew her.

25:28We need to talk to Donna specifically about that.

25:31We know that Flash is one of Asif's heavies, so if he's started hanging around at Mr Iqbal's...

25:35And there's the husband.

25:37What about him?

25:38Well, he's a regular at the club.

25:39Seem to know Asif very well.

25:41Now you tell us.

25:52I was standing there, at the shop window, but I was looking at the stars.

26:00The car screeched to a halt.

26:01Look at the car.

26:04The engine was running.

26:06Describe the noise.

26:08Noise?

26:08The noise of the engine.

26:11Loud.

26:13Powerful.

26:14The noise of here on the estate.

26:17Young lads driving round.

26:18The crews, you know.

26:20Keep looking at the car.

26:21I am.

26:22How big is the car?

26:24Not big.

26:26What colour is the car?

26:29I don't know.

26:31Keep looking at the car.

26:34The headlights were off.

26:37Gunning the engine.

26:40Who is in the car?

26:41I don't know.

26:43Who is in the car?

26:45I don't know.

26:47What are you doing as you look at the car?

26:50Eating chips.

26:51No.

26:52I had a feeling.

26:55Why do I keep looking at the car?

26:58I know the car.

27:01Someone gets out.

27:03Who gets out?

27:04They get out.

27:05You're looking at the car.

27:06The engine's running.

27:08Looking at the shop window.

27:10Who is looking at the shop window?

27:12They are.

27:14They stand.

27:15How many?

27:16How many?

27:16Two.

27:18Describe them.

27:20They're both the same.

27:22They're both...

27:23Mum's been taken bad, Donna.

27:25What's the matter with her?

27:26Same as before.

27:28Right.

27:28But worse.

27:30You rung the doctor.

27:31Aye.

27:32And?

27:32As soon as he can, but I'm not sure what to do.

27:35You know, it's more of a lasser's thing.

27:37It's all right, Billy.

27:39Sorry, Joel.

27:41Aye.

27:46Without the music, lights, people, it's a bit of a dump.

27:52I couldn't work in a smell like this.

27:55It clings to you, doesn't it?

27:56What do you want?

27:58There are things I don't understand, I say.

28:00That's why you're a copper.

28:02You're a businessman, right?

28:03You might be a member of the Chamber of Commerce, but you still...

28:05I prefer the Routery Club.

28:07Less crooks there.

28:08Yet you tell me that you employ a racist like Mickey Collins.

28:12He's good at fixing things.

28:13Plumbing, electrics, you know.

28:15Do the social know?

28:16Ask him.

28:17And why is Flash hanging around Mr. Iqbal's shop?

28:19Model support.

28:20He's good at fixing things, too, isn't he?

28:23Can you get to the point?

28:24I'm busy.

28:25He collects the money you're owed.

28:26He's good with figures.

28:28From money lending.

28:29A public service.

28:30Your, what shall we call it, insurance business.

28:34Does Mr. Iqbal enjoy the protection you offer?

28:37If so, maybe you need to review your range of cover,

28:39given what happened to his shop.

28:40I thought you were trying to find out who firebombed his shop.

28:43I am.

28:44How much does Mr. Iqbal owe you?

28:45He doesn't owe me anything.

28:47And how much will you have to pay for insurance?

28:49Ask his broker.

28:50I am.

28:52Tell me.

28:53Do you really think I'd shit on me aren't people?

28:55Why should you be different to anyone else?

28:57Look, if you want my help in getting the bastards behind bars,

29:00I will do what I can.

29:01But next time you want to talk to me,

29:03come with something sensible to say.

29:10Sorry about that, Joe,

29:11but you know what it's like.

29:15What are they?

29:16Pictures.

29:17I'd like you to look at them.

29:19Why?

29:20It'll help.

29:22There you go.

29:25Rhinoceros.

29:27Dinosaur.

29:29Oh, what the hell's that?

29:31The monotone.

29:32Hey, bloke's around here would swap that pit bull for that.

29:36Oh, a unicorn.

29:37Unicorn.

29:39Me dad used to say that every princess should have a unicorn.

29:47A unicorn?

29:50Joe?

29:51Tell me about the unicorn.

29:55I can't.

29:56When did you see a unicorn?

30:00At the shop.

30:02In the flames.

30:04Tell me when you saw a unicorn before that.

30:07At the festival.

30:09At the festival.

30:10There were stilts and robes and masks and fire.

30:14Fire everywhere.

30:15In the crowd.

30:16And on the buildings.

30:18And the noises.

30:19The firecrackers and the animals were moving about.

30:21Dude, the unicorn.

30:25The fireworks.

30:27The fire.

30:30It was a unicorn.

30:32At the front.

30:35At the front of...

30:36We've been to every fancy dress shop, theatrical costumers in the theatres as far as York and Newcastle and nothing.

30:52Nobody's hired a mask or a costume.

30:55There were no masks.

30:56But she saw a unicorn.

30:58And unicorns don't exist.

31:01A fairy tale, that's what.

31:03The princess slept all night in the forest, guarded by the unicorn.

31:08And when it got late, the unicorn carried the sleeping princess back to the castle.

31:14She didn't see a unicorn.

31:16Not in Linthorpe Road.

31:17Then what did she see?

31:19The fire and the people who threw the bombs.

31:22So the dinosaur?

31:23Was never there.

31:24And the rhinoceros?

31:25Was never there.

31:27And the unicorn?

31:28Stayed in Stockton.

31:30So Donner?

31:31Saw what happened and what she saw...

31:33Was a unicorn on Linthorpe Road.

31:37But I didn't see one, did I, Joe?

31:39Because unicorns don't exist.

31:43Shame that.

31:44So what did I see, Joe?

31:49Do you know?

31:51No.

31:52But I saw something.

31:54Yes.

31:56There was a unicorn standing in front of the shop.

31:59A unicorn that threw fire at the window.

32:03Oh, Billy, man.

32:05I didn't see you there.

32:06Sorry, Donner, I didn't mean to.

32:08But Mum asked if you'd pop round.

32:11Are you what, then?

32:12There's something I'm doing with Joe.

32:14About that shop on Linthorpe Road.

32:16Shops get tossed all the time round here.

32:19The shop was only bothered because it's a...

32:21Well, you know.

32:22Tell your mum, I'll pop round.

32:25Aye, right then.

32:33I saw it all, didn't I, Joe?

32:37Saw it all.

32:38You rang me first thing this morning complaining of harassment.

32:50Asif did.

32:52Got a nerve.

32:53Be careful, Jeff, because we need people like Asif on our side.

32:56If we could nail him for something, we would, but we can't.

32:59And until we can, people like him can prove useful in getting the others.

33:03Iqbal's scared.

33:04Wouldn't you be?

33:05Because Flash is there.

33:07It's almost as if he's moved in.

33:09Come on, Mum.

33:10We all know what's going on.

33:12There's no evidence from Iqbal's finances that he was paying Asif protection.

33:16But he might be now.

33:17Look, how do you persuade people that they need protection?

33:22By doing something that scares them into wanting it.

33:25And yes, he could be offering comfort, but he could also be making sure that Iqbal says nothing.

33:30Well, usually they use baseball bats and straightforward vandalism.

33:33But if people find out that Asif is willing to destroy a business completely, then they might tour the line.

33:39So is this a warning to others or a new business strategy?

33:43Both.

33:44Sorry.

33:45Have you got the minutes?

33:47For good news, yes.

33:49Donna confirms that there were two people who threw bombs, and I'm now convinced she knows at least one of them.

33:54And?

33:55The trauma of recognising that person created the memory gap that she's plugged with the unicorn.

34:01She's seen a unicorn recently, at the Stockton Festival, for instance.

34:04But she may well have seen another one elsewhere.

34:07Unless a bunch of clowns on stilts did it.

34:09And if we find the unicorn, where exactly does that take us, Joe?

34:14As I've tried to explain, Anne, she knows the arsonist, but her self-protection mechanism won't let her acknowledge that.

34:20Yes. Why? Because that person may do her harm, or that person is someone close to her who she doesn't want to harm.

34:28Confabulation is protecting her.

34:29So we need to look for a unicorn.

34:32Yeah.

34:34Joe!

34:35What?

34:35Behind you!

34:36The unicorn is only one line of enquiry.

34:48How will we know which unicorn is the one we want?

34:50That's for Dr Astin to tell us.

34:52Any idea of when that will be?

34:54After he's bought the house in Nunthorpe.

34:56All right, all right, let's move on.

34:59Was Mr Iqbal any more forthcoming?

35:01Flash wasn't there this time, but Mr Iqbal was still saying nothing.

35:04I asked him if he'd taken out a loan at any time in the last few months.

35:11It was standing by the car.

35:14Then it threw something.

35:15What was the it?

35:17The unicorn.

35:18And there were two unicorns?

35:20One.

35:22It watched the fire.

35:24It turned to me.

35:25It looked at his.

35:27I'd seen a unicorn before.

35:30At the festival?

35:31In the streets of Middlesbrough.

35:32Nobody else saw it, did they?

35:34What does it mean if nobody else sees what you see?

35:38But when I close my eyes, that's what I see.

35:42Then that's what you saw.

35:43No way.

35:46If it gets in the papers...

35:47It won't.

35:48Oh, crazy woman sees fairy tale.

35:52It's no fairy tale.

35:53There were two unicorns.

35:57One.

35:59It watched the fire.

36:00It turned to me.

36:02It looked at his.

36:04I'd seen a unicorn before.

36:06At the festival?

36:07In the streets of Middlesbrough.

36:09That was towards the end of the last session.

36:11Donna's beginning to recognise the arsonist.

36:13But resisting it.

36:15It's funny that once you start looking, unicorns are everywhere.

36:18Well, there would be being on the royal coat of arms.

36:20I've never taken any notice of what's on it.

36:22Alongside most servants of the Queen, I expect.

36:25Dr. Aston, are we looking for a group that uses a unicorn as a badge or logo?

36:30Symbolism is important.

36:31The red hand, the clenched fist.

36:33A tattoo?

36:34Why not?

36:35Have you noticed how many men and women around here have tattoos?

36:39There's Mickey, Flash, Billy...

36:42And Billy was there when I showed Donna the pictures of the unicorn.

36:46Then we need to check them all, don't we?

36:47Can I do the women?

36:48Can I do a see?

36:49Can't see a see if I'm having a tattoo.

36:51It might be somewhere you don't normally see.

36:54Look, I've arranged to work with Donna again,

36:56and this time I think I know what I'm doing.

37:01I don't want you to look at anything else, Donna.

37:03Just the shop.

37:05Right.

37:07I'm going to stand here, just by your right shoulder,

37:10and all we're going to do is talk.

37:12About what?

37:14Unicorns.

37:15I know a note about unicorns.

37:17Didn't your dad say that every princess should have a unicorn?

37:21Yeah.

37:22Keep looking at the shop.

37:26It's a wreck, isn't it?

37:27The shop.

37:29I've been reading about unicorns.

37:31Have you?

37:33Some people think they really exist.

37:36It would be nice if they did.

37:38Burn down shops.

37:39The unicorn is known for beauty, strength, intelligence, and high ideals.

37:48What can you see?

37:51I don't know.

37:54Unicorns are beautiful.

37:56Unicorns are strong.

37:58They're through something.

38:00Unicorns have high ideals.

38:03Burning down a package shop?

38:04They represent the power of good.

38:08Joe?

38:10What can you see?

38:15A face.

38:17Can you describe the face?

38:19No.

38:20Do you recognise the face?

38:25Do you recognise the face?

38:26The unicorn shuns human contact and only goes to magical places.

38:35A small child wants to approach the unicorn, drinking from a pool beneath a waterfall, and

38:41the child, searching for...

38:43Shut up, Joe!

38:44Donna?

38:45Oh, no!

38:47Donna?

38:47I'm going home!

38:49Donna, we need to continue.

38:50I'm going home!

38:51I'll call round tomorrow, and we can...

38:53No!

38:54Donna?

38:55Piss off!

38:56I believe you, Donna.

38:59Why?

39:00Because you know through the petrol bomb, don't you?

39:12Did Asif get you to do it?

39:14Do what?

39:15Burn the shop down.

39:17What are you talking about?

39:18After Donna dropped the kids off, you...

39:20What's the tart said?

39:23I put the burns to bed.

39:25That's what I did.

39:26Then what?

39:28I went to bed myself.

39:29I'm up early in the morning.

39:32Unless you want to know what me now last did.

39:34Is that it?

39:36What, you want to know how to put a smile on a woman's face?

39:38Just answer the question, Mickey.

39:40Well, Julie, right?

39:42She likes it rough, so I...

39:44DC Thomas enters the room at 2.25pm.

39:47Mum?

39:47Interview suspended at 2.25pm.

39:51Are you sure?

39:53Reliable sources, ma'am.

39:54There's definitely a new fascist group on the streets.

39:57They've just started a website.

39:58That puts the racists back in the frame.

40:00And they admire the tactics of terrorism of whatever persuasion.

40:04So this information needs to be passed on to anti-terrorism.

40:06They told me.

40:08And their symbol is the unicorn.

40:11Yes.

40:12Thanks, Alison.

40:15Mickey!

40:16I'd like to see your tattoos.

40:18All of them.

40:19I've got company, Joe.

40:29So, I see.

40:30But maybe after Jason has gone...

40:31So, you can go.

40:33I could call back?

40:34No.

40:35The investigation isn't over, Donna.

40:37I was imagining things.

40:39Donna, you're the only witness.

40:41The police will want to interview you again.

40:43I didn't see anything.

40:45You saw a unicorn.

40:47I didn't.

40:48You did, Donna.

40:49You saw the same unicorn that I've just seen.

40:51Do you often look at men's backsides?

41:00Not if I can help it.

41:02The unicorn is a proud, untamable, imperious beast, right?

41:06It's on the royal coat of arms.

41:08I didn't expect to see it on Jason's left buttock as he disappeared into Donna's kitchen.

41:13So it was someone she knew intimately.

41:15There's still not enough evidence against Jason or Mickey Collins.

41:19I think Mickey's unicorn must have been done by his girlfriend,

41:21given where it was.

41:23And how badly it was done.

41:24We still need Forensic to pull the bloody finger out.

41:27What about Asif, Mum?

41:28He's got nothing to do with it.

41:30Are we sure?

41:31They all go to Club International.

41:33They all know each other.

41:35Now that evil sod Flash is involved with Mr Iqbal,

41:37well, we all know what that means.

41:40Paying for protection, so there's no more attacks.

41:43Maybe Asif saw a business opportunity.

41:45Or maybe he engineered one.

41:46But that would mean Asif was working with the racists.

41:49Employing them, even.

41:50You'd be surprised he ends up in bed together when money's involved.

41:53Donna's in interview room one,

41:55so, Geoff, I want you and Alison to interview her again.

41:58If there's no breakthrough, I want you to work with Donna, Joe,

42:00and I want positive and watertight identifications of the people and the car.

42:04Steve, you and I will talk to Jason.

42:06What about Mickey Collins?

42:08My feeling is we should concentrate on Donna and Jason.

42:11And thanks, Joe.

42:12You've made our life easier.

42:14Shame I haven't done the same for Donna.

42:16In Can't See for Looking by David Napthine,

42:35Dr Joe Aston was played by Jeremy Swift,

42:39DC Jeff Patton by Paul Brennan,

42:41D.I. Anne Reynolds by Janet Dibley,

42:44and Donna by Sharon Percy.

42:49Asif was Shiv Grewal,

42:51Mickey, Michael Hodgson,

42:53Billy, Michael Imerson,

42:55Alison, Colleen Prendergast,

42:57and Steve, Wayne Foskett.

43:00The director was Mary Pete.

43:03She took us here.

43:05She took us here.

43:06Get up.

43:07I'll feel squeezed here.

43:08Imagine.

43:08Squeeze here.

43:10Until you're black.

43:11Until you're black.

43:13Until you're black.

43:20O다�36

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