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Reaction to a report from ESPN's Adam Schefter claiming Christian Wilkins "playfully" went to kiss an unnamed teammate on the top of his head.
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00:00So what's the deal here? Let's talk about Christian Wilkins. What's the deal here? Because there was a report over the weekend that there was a locker room incident, which could have led to Christian Wilkins, him being waved by the Raiders on top of the injury thing.
00:18We know about his foot. The Raiders feel like he didn't take care of it properly. I think they wanted him to get another surgery. He didn't want to get surgery. But then there was this report over the weekend, and there appears to have allegedly been a locker room incident.
00:32And Appel, you were telling me right before the show started, I didn't get to watch it. I was in the car driving over. But Adam Schefter was on Pat McAfee, and he insinuated what the locker room issue was. But then somebody else went to Twitter and said, no, that's not true.
00:49So Adam Schefter on Pat McAfee today said that the most simplest way to put it was that Christian Wilkins tried to kiss a teammate's head, like on top of their head, in the locker room.
01:05And that was kind of the unspoken story that's been going around. And then Mike Florio jumped in with, in all caps, that is not the story that has been making its way around.
01:18So I think nobody still really knows what's going on there. It feels a little hard for me to believe that in a room with 53 guys that are sometimes nude, that a simple kiss on top of the forehead would cause a team to be like, nope, I think this is the final straw, and we got to get rid of you.
01:37And if that is the case, hey, guy who's getting offended by the kiss on the forehead or the top of the head, how about you're changing in a room with a bunch of other dudes naked? Like, get over yourself.
01:48Josh, I disagree. You have, you have to know.
01:53I've been in the locker room before Crowder. I think I'm more equipped to speak on this than you are.
01:56Josh, no, no, no, I'm with you. The locker room is a very interesting place because I, I always tell the stories like dudes get divorced.
02:03And the first thing, like it comes out that like, and that's a life changing situation.
02:09Like, you know, and then it was like, I won't bring up his name, but when I was playing for the Dolphins with a guy that got caught, car broke down on the side of the road and the side chick was all this stuff.
02:18When it came out and then it came out, he was getting divorced.
02:22We, we like put champagne bottles in his locker because it was like, oh man, you free now.
02:27Let's go party tonight. Your wife doesn't care about you anymore.
02:29When Pat White got knocked out in that Steeler game, we all brought sheets and pillows and covers in and his whole locker was full of covers and sheets.
02:38Because if you want to go to sleep, we want you to be comfortable.
02:41Like it's a, it's, it's a very crass situation on his hand, but you have to know who you can mess with.
02:48I'm still cool with Pat White to this day.
02:50Like I can, I take, I like, I joke with Pat now about, man, you remember putting them cover, man, y'all, y'all ain't worth a damn.
02:56Like he laughed about it, but I'm going to tell you, I'll go back to the people.
03:01You'll be, Bonnie Holiday, Keith Traylor, Kevin Carter, Randy McMichael, um, you try to go kiss one of them on their head.
03:12They're going to go flat out crazy.
03:15Why are you trying to touch me?
03:17And more or less, why are you trying to kiss me?
03:19You got to know your audience, Josh.
03:21I'm, I understand what you're saying.
03:22Locker rooms are crazy place.
03:24You got to know your audience.
03:25Cause I've seen, bro, I've, me and Randy McMichael had a fist fight in the locker room and never like, no one cared.
03:31We're still friends, but you got to know who you're messing with.
03:34And if he tried to kiss the wrong dude on the head, if that's the story, Gloria said, it's not the story.
03:38I don't, it's going to come out now because now it's going to NFL union and all that stuff.
03:42The story is going to come out.
03:44But if, if the guy he tried to kiss on the head, if that's the story really didn't play like that, you can't do it, Josh.
03:52I I'm surprised because perk brought this up.
03:55It seems like a lot of the things that are being leaked right now are from the Raiders.
03:58I'm surprised at the lack of pushback from the Wilkins camp.
04:03Like there have been no leaks that are coming out in support of Christian Wilkins through all of this.
04:08I'm surprised they're not on it like that to try and push back.
04:11I really am.
04:11Yeah.
04:13Cause they're trying to, the Raiders are trying to avoid $32 million guaranteed.
04:17Right.
04:18Right.
04:18All the more reason why I figured that Christian Wilkins, his agent, whoever is working with him on his team that represents him, aren't more publicly coming out to kind of squash that narrative.
04:27Yeah.
04:28But like the, the, the injury, obviously the injury issue is more of what's at play here.
04:34I can't imagine that the Raiders can use this, uh, what boils down to allegedly an HR complaint, benign HR complaint to avoid $32 million.
04:44Yeah.
04:44You, you, you can't, you can't cut a guy off a forehead kiss, but that's what I'm saying.
04:48The injury is one A, one B, one C and whatever the rest of this stuff is, is, is lower down the list.
04:53Yeah.
04:53Because when, when I'm reading the report over the weekend, like there was a, uh, a locker room incident, I'm, I, you know, I'm thinking it's something serious and I'm, I'm not, I mean, whatever, man.
05:03Like, should he kiss somebody in the forehead, know your audience, I'm with what you're saying, Crowder, but a team doesn't decide that is the reason why we're going to waive a player.
05:13Right. Like that, that can't be the reason how you're, you're going to cement, you know, in some sort of, uh, um, in some sort of litigation, like this is the difference between us being allowed to, to, to get out of 32 and a half million dollars or not, because he kissed another player on the forehead.
05:31Right. Like if there was a greater locker room incident where, you know, perhaps, I don't know, I'm not, I'm not trying to, I'm not trying to recklessly speculate here, but if there was something greater than that, then for sure,
05:43it could be used, but a kiss on the forehead that upset a teammate, like that, that's, that's a Tuesday afternoon in an NFL locker room, you know, it is what it is. Right.
05:52So there was, there was a guy on the dolphins. Y'all remember Lance shoulders? Yeah. The safety TB. Yep. So there was a guy on the dolphins that after like what we do conditioning, we do long, like it was Thursday or Friday. We do like 24 one tens.
06:09So when you're done with them, everybody goes in the locker room, lays on the ground. And it was a silly little dude.
06:17He wasn't even that good. I can't even remember his name, but he would play around a lot. So he get naked and say, and he'd like, yeah, naked run. And he'd go like, jump over everybody laying down, but naked.
06:29But when he got, but when he, but when he got the truck and Bonnie and Kevin, he got the Randy, got the Zach Thomas, he got the Jason.
06:39So he got to the dudes that, you know, a guy's mentality. If you jump over me naked, I am going to literally kill you and, and, and run you over with my car.
06:50He knew not to mess with that guy. Like the, and that was the thing. It is a crazy place in the locker room, but you just have to know you can mess with.
06:59So if that player that got kissed on the forehead is a high paid, very influential player for the Raiders, he, he could go up and be like, bro, this, this, I don't want, I don't want to play with him anymore.
07:12So, but Christian Wilkins, I haven't heard anything background. I have no nothing from anyone anywhere, but there are some guys that'd be like, they, the forehead kiss dude.
07:22I don't want him on the team anymore, but Christian Wilkins, you would agree is the high paid influential player.
07:27Like they signed him in free agent. Max Crosby on that defense. Yeah, I know. But, but they still made him one of the highest paid interior D linemen in the NFL.
07:36They got, so it's not like he's a random cornerback. That's all I'm saying. Cause I'm with you.
07:41I'm with you. If, if the starting quarterback of any NFL organization or whatever, like Max Crosby goes to the front office and says, yo, that guy, no, like get him out of here.
07:52He has that influence. But if I'm just going to use the dolphins and I'm, I'm not, I'm not suggesting that there's anything like this going on, but if Tua goes now to the dolphins front office and says, Hey, I want Jalen Waddle out of here.
08:08Like Tua has major influence, but Waddle has some pretty big influence as well, right? He's a high paid wide receiver. The dolphins have committed a ton of resources to him.
08:17It's not as simple as one top guy wants the other top guy out. Like it's not that simple. And I can't imagine it would be that simple in the Christian Wilkins case either.
08:26And, and are you like to, to your phrase that you use a little bit ago, the straw that broke the camel's back. Now you're not contributing.
08:35Now you've missed a season and you're about to miss another season because you didn't take our advice with this foot surgery.
08:41And you're upsetting our high paid veterans, even though you're a high paid veteran, they would, they would say at that point, you're a team cancer.
08:51And that's the easiest thing to do is say you're a team cancer because no one, just the, that's the C word makes people uncomfortable like that.
08:59So yeah. Oh no, he's a team cancer. He's messing up the locker room. You get rid of a guy, but the foot is one, a one B one C one D maybe two a two B is going to be whatever happened with the teammates.
09:12I'm actually, I'm actually curious. I'm actually more curious to know the, the injury issue and why he felt whatever he wanted to do was more beneficial to his recovery than what the team had suggested.
09:24There was a, a similar situation with Jack Eichel, the hockey player, when he was leaving the Buffalo Sabres, they wanted him to get a certain, uh, they wanted him to treat his back injury a certain way.
09:34He wanted to get a surgery instead. They disagreed. There was a whole situation and they finally ended up trading him to Vegas.
09:41I'm curious, like it's a foot injury. Right. And like Crowder, I don't know if you ever dealt with something similar to that.
09:47Maybe not with you yourself, but teammates who had a disagreement on how they were going to treat an injury.
09:51They had where, where do you fall in that? Cause to me, I'm like the player kind of knows his body better. Right.
09:56And this is the thing. It's the second opinion and it's in, it's like, it's known you get a second opinion.
10:02So when I mess my knee up, I'd have micro fracture. Um, you know, like the OJ McDuffie story where the, his turf tow and he said the Dolphins mismanaged it and sued him and all that stuff.
10:13So that's not just OJ McDuffie. I use him cause we all know, no juice. It's like that with a lot of teams where the team wants you just to like get back and play, but you can go get a second opinion and they pay for it.
10:24So I mess my knee up. I go to the Dolphins knee doctor. I won't say his name. I know it. And he tells me one thing about, you know, when I had to have micro fracture, the best doctor, the best knee doctor in the world that does everybody's surgeries back in the days, retired now, uh, is in Alabama.
10:41James Andrews, right?
10:43Huh? James Andrews.
10:45James Andrews. So the Dolphins doctor is like, Hey, you know, you, you, you chipped off this, you know, meniscus, meniscus is gone. The cartilage is chipped.
10:53Like you had to have micro fracture. And I was like, cool. And I called Joel Siegel, my agent. He was like, damn, that's a serious surgery. You go talk to James Andrews.
11:01In this situation, I go up to James Andrews and he looks at the MRIs, does x-rays. He's like, yeah, you need a micro fracture. So James Andrews does my micro fracture.
11:10And I come back and I think I played three more years after that. When I, when I, my, uh, Liz Frank, when I split my foot in half, the year four, whatever it was, the Dolphin foot doctor was like, yeah,
11:22you had to put two screws in. They explained it. I looked it up. A dude in Charlotte, North Carolina is named Dr. Anderson.
11:29He's one of the best foot doctors in the nation. And I was like, Hey Dolphins, I want to go talk to Dr. Anderson as well.
11:36Dr. Anderson co-signed on what the Dolphin doctor said. And Dr. Anderson, North Carolina did my surgery.
11:41Cause he has like, you want LeBron shoot the last shot or Bronny. I wanted LeBron shoot my last shot.
11:48So I wanted the best in the world to shoot my last shot so you can do it. But my thought, and I'm just saying, just reading these.
11:57And these are very elementary reports we're getting. The Raiders doctor said, do this.
12:02He went and got a second opinion and they said, you don't have to do that. So now you're kind of that second opinions going against your organization.
12:09So if you go with the second opinion and you're not ready to play, what do I do now with you?
12:16And that's how I'm kind of taking this report because second opinion is a part of all players' lives.
12:21But if the two opinions are contradictory and your second opinion makes you not be able to contribute to this hundred million dollar deal, what does the organization do at that point?
12:32And I, I really feel as if that's kind of the situation.
12:35Well, it's just, what's unorthodox here is that like, they're not trying to trade them. They're not, they're not trying to reestablish his contract.
12:42Like, they're just like, well, we're not going to pay you then that that's, I mean, because Crowder, I'm sure it happens a million times a year where a player gets injured that one doctor for the team might say, Hey, we can get you back out onto the field quicker by doing X treatment or X surgery.
12:58But that player seeks second opinion. The second opinion says, Hey, you might be on the field quicker with X treatment, but you could have prolonged, prolonged issues, or you could have down the line.
13:12This could actually be a detriment to your career. You should actually choose Avenue B, which will give you a better opportunity to play longer.
13:20The team sees it like, no, we made this commitment. We need you now. I'm sure that happens often. So, and it doesn't lead to a player getting waved by the team and the team trying to get out of the contract, which is why this specific instance, this situation is a little unorthodox, right?
13:38Like, I mean, there has to be something way deeper in terms of like, okay, you chose Avenue B where you're not going to get surgery, but you have to come into the facility.
13:49You have, we have to see you doing rehab. We have to see you doing all these, this certain reaching certain criteria so that we know our investment is out there trying to get back out into the field.
14:00And maybe he didn't write like maybe he decided he wasn't going to start rehab when they wanted them to. I don't know. I'm, I'm guessing, but there has to be something deeper.
14:08So this probably ends with some sort of settlement between Wilkins and the Raiders. I can't imagine. They're just going to all of a sudden be let off the hook for $30 million. This is going to go to some sort of grievance, some sort of, uh, I don't know if arbitration arbiter is the right word for it, but there, there will be some kind of settlement here.
14:26It feels like between the Raiders and Wilkins and all the stuff now that's going to trickle out after this, the story about what's happening in the locker room, whether that's true or not, it just feels like the Raiders are trying to, I don't know, kind of, uh, poopoo the character of Christian Wilkins as best they can, because sometimes that's just how this, uh, this works, right?
14:47You want to be looking like the good guys and the Raiders, I'm sure are not going to be like, Oh, this guy who didn't do what we wanted with his injury and rehab. Now he was, despite that, we loved him so much. He was a great guy and all this stuff. No, like they're going to try and pay them as the bad guy and all this.
15:02Yeah. When I was at UF, I, uh, chipped what I do. I chipped my meniscus in a game and they were like, yeah, we could sew it up or we can cut it off.
15:15Like we kind of like, you're back in two weeks. If we sew it up, now we have to let the, the, it heal and it'll be like six weeks. And they gave me the option. And it's just not like the NFL and you're in college, you're at college. I was like, no man, chop it off. Let me, you know, I want to go out here and ball. I'm 18, 19, whatever it was. So I missed the old miss game. Eli Manning and Dexter McCluster come into Gainesville and tear my ass up.
15:41Cluster. What an extra McCluster. I remember, cause I'm on the sideline watching. I'm like, man, I would dump this little dude on his head. I'm over there with a damn knee brace on. We play LSU the next week, I believe.
15:52And they were like at the two week recovery. So I'm going right into the second week. And Ron's looks like, yeah, you know, come to, come to Baton Rouge with us. This is Oh four.
16:03So this is when they go 12 and one and we beat them. I didn't practice that whole week in Oh four. And then before the game, they were like, go out there, run a little bit.
16:12See how you feel. Ran around a little bit. And I was like, man, I feel fine. It was like, you think you can play? I was like, yeah, I'll get some snaps in.
16:20Bald. Went crazy. Really? We beat LSU 12 and one, you know, Matt mock. Like, yeah, I had crazy tackles or something. It was, I don't know the Matt mock. I don't know, but it was like, but they, like you, you,
16:32I could have took a conservative, but I was like, no, I want to play, man. Cut it off. Let's see what happens. And I was out there playing and played well. And you know, it probably was.
16:40And that's the crazy part. It's probably one of the reasons why I got drafted by Nick Saban because of that game. But if I didn't play in that game, what I've got drafted to the dolphins, like all the, I think about all the stuff, how it falls in line with, with, with those situations, but you have options, but a lot of players are going to say,
16:59I want to just whatever it takes, whatever it takes, whatever it takes. These new age players, they don't, they're not like that.
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