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00:00He was going to make you a new, customized bike.
00:03Yes.
00:04There was a gas leak from the bike.
00:06Yes, ma'am.
00:07I said, oh, that's an easy fix.
00:08Don't worry about it.
00:10He agreed to come out and fix the bike.
00:13They never came.
00:14Oh.
00:15So when the bike is fixed, that's when you'll get your check.
00:19This is Judy Justice.
00:30Kimberly Edwards is suing bike sellers Ray Griffin and Dana Hicks
00:45for the cost of a custom motorized bike.
00:49Court come to order.
00:51Have a seat, please.
00:54Hello, Judge.
00:55Case number 1133, Edwards v. Griffin Hicks.
00:59You're welcome.
01:00Ms. Edwards, you purchased a secondhand, customized motorbike from the defendants.
01:07Yes, ma'am.
01:07You purchased it, understanding that it was used, that it had been used either by one of
01:12the defendants or their children.
01:14No, ma'am.
01:15When you bought a used one, what was your understanding?
01:18Who had it been used by?
01:19Well, what I was told was that the bike was made for her, but that she didn't get a chance
01:23to ride it.
01:24So she phrased it to me as though the bike had never been used.
01:27It was just an extra bike that her husband, Ray, had created.
01:31Okay.
01:32Let's get back to, where did you meet them?
01:34IHOP.
01:35And you must have seen them riding these bikes.
01:37Yeah, they were at IHOP with the bikes.
01:40How many?
01:41I would say in total about five.
01:44And they were all similar but different.
01:46They were all custom.
01:47Yeah.
01:47They didn't look like the usual bicycle that you ride.
01:50So they were different.
01:52Yes, ma'am.
01:52And you liked them.
01:53And who did you start the conversation with?
01:55Mr. Griffin.
01:56What did you say to him and what did he say to you?
01:58I asked him, you know, did you create this?
02:00He said yes.
02:01And then he went on to tell me that he made custom bikes.
02:04And they are dual, meaning that you can pedal and that you can use the motor.
02:08So I thought that that was fascinating.
02:10And I asked him about the patent.
02:11I went in to ask him about, you know, what all it entails, the parts.
02:15And so I told him I wanted one for my baby's birthday that was coming up.
02:19How old is your child?
02:20She's 15.
02:21So you said, I'd like to buy one from you.
02:23Did he tell you how much it was?
02:25He told me that it was $450 initially.
02:27And I went with that price.
02:29I'm like, okay, good, you know.
02:30Okay, so he said it was $450.
02:32Yes, ma'am.
02:33And then what happened?
02:34Then I asked him whether I could speak to his wife about setting up to buy the bike.
02:39After that, that was the last conversation that I had with Mr. Griffin.
02:42I only spoke to the wife after that.
02:43Okay.
02:44He was going to make you a new customized bike for $450.
02:48He just said custom bike.
02:50He never said that it was used.
02:51She never implied that it was used until we got into the text message conversation.
02:55Okay.
02:55Well, then let me see the first text message that you had.
02:58The first text message that I had, they didn't initially print it out, but this is the conversation.
03:03So this is her contacting me to see if I was still interested in the bike.
03:10Okay, hold on a second.
03:15Okay, I don't understand this message.
03:17What's next?
03:18This is the warranty that we spoke of.
03:20Oh, I don't want to hear the warranty.
03:21Okay, you want the text messages.
03:22I'm back in $450 for a new customized bike.
03:29Yes, ma'am.
03:30It's in my phone.
03:31So get it from your phone, unless we can agree on it.
03:34You said they'd build your new one for $450, and you say in your complaint that you paid them $550.
03:39No, that was the initial price was a $450, but I ended up paying $550 for the bike in total.
03:43Why?
03:44Because he told me that the extra, the labor for the bike was $100, and the base price of the bike was $450.
03:51Here it is.
03:52Great.
03:53I'm going to see it.
03:54So you reached a price of $550?
03:58Yes, ma'am.
03:59For this bike?
03:59Yes, ma'am.
04:00Okay.
04:08Well, this is back and forth bartering.
04:10You finally agreed to pay him $550?
04:12Yes, ma'am.
04:13For the bike?
04:14Yes, ma'am.
04:14Okay.
04:14Did he deliver the bike?
04:16Yes, ma'am.
04:16When did he deliver the bike?
04:18The day before our birthday on August 31st.
04:20You have a picture of the bike?
04:21Yes, ma'am.
04:22Yes, ma'am.
04:30Okay, and you accepted the bike in your home?
04:36I accepted it outside, and then I pulled it into the garage.
04:40And then we discussed the handles and all of the gadgets on it, and then he-
04:44Okay, so he explained how to drive it?
04:47No, he just explained to me which one was the gear.
04:49And he just went through and told me what's gear, what these parts are, where I need to flip this or change this.
04:55And he explained to you how to drive it?
04:58No, he didn't explain to me how to drive it.
04:59Okay, well, I'm telling you, he explained to you, Ms. Edwards, how to drive it.
05:04You may not want to put it that way, but I'm telling you, he explained to you how to drive it.
05:08Yes, Your Honor.
05:08Right.
05:09So, after he explained to me, he got on it and he rode it four houses down and came back.
05:14Okay, so he showed you how to turn it on.
05:16You watched him.
05:17I mean, he didn't ride around the block because he wanted a scenic view of where you live.
05:22He rode around with the bike so that you saw that it worked.
05:25Yes, ma'am.
05:26And he showed you the different gears and you watched him, how he started it.
05:30No, I didn't.
05:30Well, then you should have watched him how he started it.
05:33Yes, ma'am.
05:33And he drove it around so that you could see that it rode around the block.
05:38And then what happened?
05:38So, when he came back from riding it and we discussed with Dana on the open line, a three-way call, Dana was initially supposed to show my daughter how to ride it.
05:47That was her offer.
05:48It wasn't something I asked for.
05:49So, when he heard that, he was like, well, I have to go to work now, but I'll come back the next day and I'll show her.
05:56Okay, great.
05:57So, he said, I'll come back the next day and show your daughter how to ride it.
06:01And that would have been September 1st.
06:03Yes, ma'am.
06:03How did it get into the garage?
06:05I pulled it.
06:07And then you put the stick down so it wouldn't fall over?
06:10Yeah, he initially told me about the stick because it was so loose.
06:13The bike couldn't stand straight up.
06:14And he told me that when he came back to show her how to ride that he would tighten it.
06:18And so, from that point, I just leaned it up against the wall because I knew it wouldn't stand on the leg that it was on because it was loose.
06:25Okay.
06:26Do you remember that?
06:27Not at all.
06:28Not at all.
06:29I have to tell you, you have to be careful, Mr. Griffin, because there are certain things that are important and certain things that aren't important.
06:36Correct.
06:37Certain little details because if somebody tells me something that is a minute detail but doesn't really have bearing on the case, like the stick that holds the bike was loose and you said you would fix it, that's not something that somebody would make up because it really doesn't have anything to do with the case.
06:55So, if you're going to say no to everything before you actually think about it, I'm not going to believe a lot of what you say.
07:03Do you understand?
07:03I understand.
07:04Great.
07:04So, understanding that there's a certain veracity in that little detail, which really isn't important, you want to think again whether you said to her, I'll fix that when I come back and show your daughter how to ride the bike?
07:17I actually told her I was coming back, but throughout the week, I have told her.
07:21No, just, you told her you were coming back to show her daughter how to ride the bike.
07:26Did you tell her you would tighten the stick?
07:29Nothing's wrong with the bike.
07:30I didn't say there was anything wrong with the bike.
07:32This little stick here, I don't know what you call it.
07:36Kickstand.
07:37Kickstand.
07:37It works.
07:38We have a picture of...
07:40It's a brand new bike.
07:40May I see that?
07:41That's the bike, the actual bike in her garage, using the kickstand that she said isn't working.
07:54You took this picture on September 1st.
07:56No, she did.
07:57That's a screenshot.
07:58That she took.
07:59She took it and she sent it to me.
08:00And what she's saying to you in this screenshot is that there's a problem with oil?
08:05Yes.
08:06So she's showing you the bike that's not leaning against anything.
08:09Correct.
08:09It's leaning on the kickstand.
08:11Correct.
08:11Now I know what it's called.
08:12Oh.
08:13Mm-hmm.
08:13Oh, that's a horse of a different color.
08:16Mm-hmm.
08:20Early on this process, Kimberly shared that she was interested in having a relationship
08:25with me.
08:26And so early on this...
08:28You're not paying attention.
08:29And I would pay attention instead of looking.
08:31Instead of looking.
08:32Kimberly Edwards is suing bike sellers Ray Griffin and Dana Hicks for the cost of a custom
08:51motorized bike.
08:52Ms. Edwards, you want to take a look at this?
08:54Yes, ma'am.
08:55Mm-hmm.
08:55What you can see, if I may show the judge, is where that bag is sitting, it's leaning
09:07up against the chair.
09:09It's on the chair, leaned up against the chair because it won't stand up.
09:12Here's another picture where I had to put the kickstand inside of the pen to make it stand
09:16up.
09:16So what you're saying is that the bicycle is actually leaning up against this heavy
09:30bag and it doesn't have its weight on the kickstand.
09:33Yes, it doesn't.
09:34Okay.
09:34And when you sent it to her on September 1st, you sent it to the defendants showing them
09:40that there was an oil or gas leak from the bike.
09:44Yes, ma'am.
09:44And what you told her then was, I made it in April.
09:50I don't know.
09:50My wife didn't like it.
09:51Nobody ever used it.
09:53I actually talked to her in regards to the bike.
09:56Well, he says that it was never ridden.
09:59It wasn't by me.
10:00I didn't like it.
10:01You didn't like it?
10:02I didn't like the motorbike.
10:03Who rode it?
10:05When Ray build the bikes, he don't build the bikes and give it straight to the customer
10:10or whoever it is because it's a motor and they rattle, you know?
10:15So once he put the bolts and everything on it, he test ride it for a few miles or whatnot
10:21just to try it out and make sure.
10:22So he was the only person that tested the bike out when it was given.
10:27So nobody else rode the bike except you.
10:29Not even myself.
10:29She sent you this picture the day or within 24 hours of getting possession of the bike.
10:36Which, before the picture, she called me.
10:38She said, Ray told me to lift up because when you finish riding the bike, there's an off switch,
10:44which stops the gas from flowing down, right?
10:48It's an easy little off and on.
10:50So she said, I don't know what Ray told me.
10:53And I was messing with it and now it's leaking.
10:55I said, oh, that's an easy fix.
10:57Don't worry about it.
10:58And so I said, let me call Ray on three-way so that he could just tell you how to fix it.
11:03So we went about and I asked her to send me the picture so I can see exactly where the bike was leaking.
11:09So that's basically what happened.
11:10She sent the picture.
11:12Then we tried video calling her.
11:14Her video kept cutting off.
11:15So that's when I told her, I said, it's an easy fix.
11:18We'll be out between Friday and Sunday.
11:20And then?
11:21After that conversation, me and her talked.
11:24And so early on this...
11:25You're not paying attention and I would pay attention instead of looking.
11:29Instead of looking.
11:30I apologize.
11:30Early on this process, Kimberly shared that she was interested in having a relationship with me.
11:37So like through all this process...
11:39I don't listen to me.
11:40I don't care about that.
11:41I understand, but I...
11:42Just listen to me.
11:43Then stop talking.
11:44I don't care about that.
11:45Right.
11:46Do you agree that you just told me that this leaking gas or oil is an easy fix?
11:53Yes.
11:53Is that what you said?
11:54Yes.
11:55And is there any reason that you do not believe her when she says that since you dropped the
12:02bike off on September 1st or August 31st, I don't care what date it was, that nobody has
12:07ridden it?
12:08I believe she rode it or tried to ride it.
12:10Either she did or her daughter.
12:12Because when Ray left, he cut the gas off.
12:14Just a second.
12:16Did either you or your daughter ride the bike?
12:19No.
12:20Very, very easy.
12:22Can I see this warranty that you're talking about?
12:24Well, this is a warranty.
12:34This says, what I've experienced since we've been doing this, as long as she puts the gas
12:39in it correctly, it will run good.
12:41In the future, if any parts need to be fixed, just let me know and I'll work on it.
12:47Well, something needs to be fixed.
12:48And I did...
12:49Just a second.
12:50I'll work something out with you.
12:52Now work on it.
12:53Well, let me see the rest of it.
12:54That's her tics.
12:55It stops and I'll work.
12:57Oh, okay.
12:57I'll work something out for you, but that should be no time soon.
13:08Okay.
13:09So what he's saying to you is this isn't a guarantee that you get your money back.
13:13This says, in the future, if any parts need to be fixed, just let me know and I'll work
13:17something out for you.
13:18That's not a warranty.
13:19I was never saying it was a warranty for fixing whatever would be wrong, but I didn't expect
13:24anything to be wrong the day of.
13:26Well, I don't know what you expected, madam.
13:28I expected just to get a bike that was working properly.
13:31Well, it was working properly because according to you, he rode it up and down the block.
13:34He has to go out and fix it.
13:36And you have to tell him when you want him to come out and fix it.
13:38So...
13:38That was his warranty.
13:39You're not getting your money back.
13:41No, I wanted to show you what they said to me.
13:43Just a minute.
13:43If it's something different from what this is...
13:45Mm-hmm.
13:46Okay.
13:46You want to show me something else?
13:48Also...
13:48Otherwise...
13:49Just show me...
13:50She said that I told her that my daughter's birthday was September the 2nd.
13:54This is me telling her in text messages my baby's birthday was September the 1st.
13:57I don't care.
13:57It's not important.
13:58But it's just to ask me because she lies.
14:00I don't care.
14:00September 1st or September 2nd is not important to me or this case.
14:03Yes, ma'am.
14:04I'm sorry.
14:08He said they would come out and fix it.
14:10We already told you Friday or Saturday.
14:13That's the thing.
14:13On the phone call that me and Ms. Devine had...
14:16Okay.
14:16He has to come out and fix it within one week.
14:19What date do you want him to come out and fix the bike?
14:21I don't want the bike.
14:22Because it's a fire hazard.
14:24Then you can sell it.
14:25It's your bike.
14:26What I'm telling you is he agreed to come out and fix the bike.
14:30This is what they told me.
14:31Can I present this?
14:32They told me...
14:32You can show me something else.
14:34Right now I'm reading what the two things that you gave me.
14:37Judge, may I see what she gave you?
14:39No.
14:40Okay.
14:41So far you're not losing.
14:42You have to be quiet.
14:42I'm sorry.
14:43I'm just curious.
14:44Because I don't...
14:45Oh, he didn't say fluffy, but he said the lights were extra.
14:48I don't...
14:49What does this have to do with what we're talking about?
14:51No, that is him after the fact of me asking him and waiting for them to come on Friday,
14:56which is what she told me over the phone.
14:58They never came.
14:59And this is her blowing...
15:00I will cash up you...
15:01Just a listen.
15:02I will cash up you tomorrow.
15:04The remaining in cash.
15:05Okay, that works.
15:06That was prior to him coming to my home.
15:08Do you understand?
15:08I'm not interested in all of this.
15:10No, I know.
15:10So don't give it to me.
15:11Just because you give me a lot of paper doesn't confuse me.
15:17It wasn't a bike that you bought at Schwinn.
15:21You take pieces from a bike.
15:22He didn't create the metal.
15:23He didn't create the wheels.
15:25He put together different...
15:26He just told me that it was a creator of the bike.
15:28And he was not the creator of the bike.
15:30You don't look like a stupid woman.
15:43Kimberly Edwards has accused bike sellers Ray Griffin and Dana Hicks
15:48of refusing to refund the cost of a custom motorized bike.
15:53Ray says Kimberly rejected his offer to fix the bike for free.
15:57You were supposed to give me a piece of paper
16:00that suggested that there was some sort of a refund warranty
16:04other than he would come out and fix it.
16:06No, that's initially just Shilin.
16:08What I wanted him to do was come and fix the bike.
16:10But when they refused and they didn't show up on Friday,
16:12I wanted my money back.
16:13Just a second.
16:13On what date are you going to go out and fix the bike?
16:16It would be on like a week.
16:17Not a like.
16:18What date are you going to fix the bike?
16:21The following, on the 22nd.
16:24On the 22nd of?
16:26It would have to be October 23rd.
16:27Okay, I'm sorry, 23rd.
16:28I'll be making it up.
16:2923rd afternoon.
16:30Don't talk about making this up.
16:31Just be quiet.
16:33That's Friday.
16:34Listen to me.
16:34From what jurisdiction do you come?
16:36Harris County.
16:37Where is that?
16:38Houston, Texas.
16:40And as part of your appearance here,
16:42you get an appearance fee.
16:44Correct.
16:44Have you received that yet?
16:46No, no.
16:47You're not going to until the bike is fixed.
16:50Do you understand?
16:51Understood.
16:52So when the bike is fixed,
16:54that's when you'll get your check.
16:55Do we understand each other?
16:57Understood.
16:57Give me the date that you will be there to fix the bike.
17:00October 23rd.
17:02What time?
17:03Do you not want them to come and fix the bike?
17:04That's going to make my life easier.
17:06That's been an issue.
17:07I wasn't going to disagree.
17:08I was just going to say my daughter's in athletics,
17:10so the time frame would have to be before she gets out
17:13so that I won't run into going to get her
17:15and them trying to fix the bike.
17:16So just a second.
17:18Tell me what time is no good for you.
17:20After 3.
17:20Okay, you have to be there before 3 o'clock,
17:23so I would say pick a day when you can be there at noon.
17:26So let's try Sunday, October 24th.
17:29It can't be a Sunday.
17:31We work.
17:33Just a second.
17:34What days of the week do you work?
17:36I work Monday through Sunday.
17:38Doing what?
17:38Off on Saturdays, but...
17:41You're off on Saturdays.
17:42As of right now, I work for a repossession agency.
17:44What I'm telling you is pick a day before 12 o'clock.
17:50Do you understand we picked two days?
17:51No, no, no.
17:52We keep changing it.
17:52No, no, no.
17:53She said she has to pick her daughter up from school
17:55after 3 o'clock, so you have to come before 3 o'clock.
17:58That's a Saturday.
17:59What's a Saturday?
18:00The day we gave you was a Saturday.
18:01Saturday.
18:02Yes.
18:03Great.
18:03I'm going to give you a date.
18:05I'm just, I want to let you know,
18:06my daughter has away games.
18:08That's why I'm saying that they can't fix it after 3
18:10or in between a time on a Saturday
18:12because she's away.
18:13So I'm away with her.
18:15It has to be Monday through Friday
18:16before 12, before 3.
18:18Well, that's unreasonable.
18:19If you want the bike fix,
18:20get somebody else there at the house
18:22to stay at your house and watch the bike.
18:24That was the whole problem initially, Judge Williams,
18:26because he didn't want to come,
18:27he didn't want to come that particular time.
18:29He kept putting it off.
18:30We never put it off.
18:31Let me explain something.
18:32You put it off.
18:33Let me explain something to you.
18:34Yes, yes, Judge.
18:35That's the date, the 23rd at 12 o'clock.
18:38If you want the 23rd, it can be at 3 o'clock.
18:40What's your pleasure?
18:42That's fine.
18:42What?
18:43The 23rd.
18:44At what time?
18:45Before 3 at 12.
18:4612 noon on October 23rd.
18:49Yes.
18:49You're going to be there and fix the bike.
18:51I would be there.
18:52Very good.
18:52And if the bike still doesn't work,
18:55because he and I suggest you have your daughter there
18:57to drive it around, free to come back.
19:00Put your hand down.
19:01Do you understand?
19:02You bought a bike that was put together.
19:05It wasn't a bike that you bought at Schwinn.
19:08He misled me into thinking that he was the creator of the bike,
19:12and he was not the creator of the bike.
19:13You don't look like a stupid woman.
19:15You take pieces from a bike.
19:16He didn't create the metal.
19:18He didn't create the wheels.
19:19He put together different parts of a bike.
19:21He told me that it was a customer.
19:22That's my decision.
19:23If you don't like it, I'm sorry.
19:25You don't have a warranty from them for this bike,
19:28other than he said he would come out and fix it,
19:32which is what I've arranged for him to do on the 23rd of October.
19:36They say it's an easy fix.
19:38Somebody played around with it.
19:40Maybe they did, and maybe they didn't.
19:42He said it's an easy fix.
19:43So he's coming out to fix it.
19:45We're finished.
19:48I'm going to give him a chance to fix the bike,
19:53and we'll go from there, but I respect her decision.
19:56I definitely think something happened,
19:58because when we delivered the bike, Ray cut the gas off.
20:03So for it to leak after the fact is something that she had to do.
20:07It was so disappointing, the aspect that I did it the day before I prepared,
20:10I paid, and then to get a damaged bike.
20:13So for everybody out there, don't buy so-called created custom bikes.
20:19But regardless of whether she tampered with it or not,
20:21I still agreed to coming out and helping her.
20:24That's all that mattered.
20:25I just think that's his character of trying to escape the aspect that he had to fix it.
20:29I sell these things, so it's behind my name.
20:32And now the fact that he has to fix it, you know,
20:34this is where I wanted it to be.
20:35So I respect it.
20:37You know, it's just only fair, like, okay, that's fine.
20:40You know, even though you created the problem,
20:42we can help you fix it.
20:43It's not that serious.
20:45You know, my mom has an electric bike like that that's a dual purpose.
20:49You can ride it like a regular bike or motorized.
20:52So I know she has that, but this bike seemed a bit more makeshift with all these parts.
20:57I'm just curious how it all fits together.
20:59I saw the photo, and I still don't really understand how that all works.
21:02That's why they say that they custom make it.
21:04They probably take pieces from pieces of discarded bikes and sort of cobble them together.
21:10Good for maybe an art piece for me.
21:12I don't know if I would ride something like that.
21:14Clearly, they rode it.
21:15They rode it to IHOP.
21:16Yeah.
21:17You know, that's where she saw it.
21:18And then the plaintiff clearly knew that this was cobbled together.
21:22It may have been their original design, but they didn't create wheels and spokes and motors and things.
21:28They put them together.
21:30They weren't in manufacturing.
21:31They weren't manufacturers.
21:33And he came.
21:34She said he rode the bike.
21:35He rode to show her it was operable.
21:37He rode up and down the block several times.
21:39So the bike was clearly operable.
21:41I really don't know what happened after he left.
21:44I can hardly imagine that the daughter didn't see that bike and didn't say,
21:48gee, I'd love to take it for a spin myself.
21:51She put it in the garage, that sort of outside the realm of possibility for a 15-year-old,
21:55that she didn't try it.
21:57Anyway, he's got to fix it.
21:58And he said he would.
21:59And I believe that he will.
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