00:00Well, you were actually, as luck would have it, his PPS.
00:03I was, yes.
00:03Wait, what does that mean for a few of you?
00:05So, ministerial-led bank carrier.
00:08Right.
00:08And when he was a northern powerhouse minister.
00:11And do you know something, Patrick?
00:13I mean, he's a solicitor, a trained solicitor, really.
00:15That's his background.
00:16But he's got such a sound mind.
00:18He's so bright.
00:18The grasp of the brief is brave.
00:21But he's also an amazing campaigner.
00:23I mean, how he held his, you know, marginal seat initially.
00:27He was one of the first red wall.
00:28And he's bringing a wealth of experience to the party.
00:31He's a mate of mine.
00:33I'm proud he's coming.
00:34How big a blow is this for the Conservatives?
00:36Because he's a former chairman of the Tory party.
00:40And now he's decided that they are in terminal decline, as is Britain.
00:43And he needs to join reform.
00:45And we've got more to come as well, Patrick.
00:46I mean, I've known a while that Jake was coming over.
00:49I've had conversations myself.
00:51And I was very proud to see David Jones come over.
00:54You know, fellow Spartan.
00:55We was in the ERG together.
00:57So we're getting some.
00:58And he was, you know, the Welsh secretary.
01:01So, you know, I'd like to see him running the campaign in Wales next year.
01:05That's what I'd like to see.
01:06OK.
01:07Because there are some allegations.
01:08And I've got a little bit soft on that on certain things like immigration.
01:11He said he was to the left of Robert Jemmerich, who's going to be in this studio in a couple of minutes time, actually.
01:16But you don't you don't buy that, do you think?
01:19You know, I was at the press conference only about a month or five weeks ago when it got asked about immigration and where he said about me putting people in tents.
01:31He said, no, we need to deport them.
01:33So he's been quite strong on it.
01:35OK.
01:35Definitely.
01:35Exactly.
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