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Writer/Director/Actor Omar Bakry, Producer/Actor Inji El-Gammal, Producer Jaselle Martino, Editor/Post Production Supervisor Salah Anwar, Actor Roger Hendricks Simon and Co-Producer Ahmed Barbary talks to Fest Track about story, intent, music, structure and style in regards to their film "Abdo And Saneya" playing the Arab Spectacular section of the 2024 Red Sea International Film Festival in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia.
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00:00This is Tim Wasberg, I'm here in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia for the Red
00:29Sea International Film Festival, now relocated into the historic part of the city, Abbalah.
00:37Could you talk about representing a kind of love story and how you wanted to bring that to bear?
00:44Obviously you were there, so you're watching it too as an actor, but as the producer, could you talk about that?
00:50Yeah, I want to say two things. Wasn't she phenomenal?
00:53Yes.
00:55Like, um, and I, it's not really, um, I think, you know when you're on set.
01:01Like she's holding her, when she's holding his head at one point.
01:03Listen.
01:04Put a bone.
01:06Oh, you were there.
01:08You were great.
01:10I see who's running the set, all right?
01:13No, but, um.
01:13We team up against him.
01:18That's why he's squeezed in the middle.
01:19Yeah, yeah.
01:19No, but, um, no, genuinely, you know, sometimes when you're with a project for a very long time and you're in the ins and outs of everything, um, getting a chance to watch, watch a cut sort of brings you back into the seat of the audience, you know?
01:36And one of the things for me, I feel, um, whenever I would watch, uh, Sanéa, um, and, and Abdu and their, their connection and all that, it was like, oh, so, so magic.
01:48And then I'm like, I delude myself and thinking, let's go, let's keep going.
01:52Because, you know, filmmaking is a very challenging process and it's even more challenging with a film like this, you know?
02:02Like, because, uh, a film like this is hot.
02:05You, if you can't see the vision, um, as we're going, you really get, you get one shot to sell what the finished product is.
02:14And, um, a black and white film with an unknown director to the industry, uh, silent film, um, it was, when I would, when I would, when I would.
02:24Yeah, that's a sell.
02:25You must be crazy.
02:26Listen, when I would pitch this to people, literally, when I would pitch this to people, I would physically see their eyes glaze over because it's like, what?
02:34But, like, but then when they see it.
02:35But see, they've never watched Chaplin.
02:37But then when they see it.
02:37They've never watched these movies.
02:38Right.
02:38No, but then when they see the film, they're like, I see what you did there.
02:44They're like, I see what you did there.
03:14Yeah.
03:15Yeah.
03:16Because my introduction to the film, like, goes way back when actually Gisele started.
03:19That's when I actually met, um, NG and Omar.
03:20Oh, okay.
03:21But, I mean, they were like, when they were seeking money.
03:22I used to work for a company like that.
03:23Like, that can put like some equity in film.
03:24Okay.
03:25But we couldn't.
03:26So, bridge gaps.
03:27Yeah.
03:28Yeah.
03:29But we couldn't put it together.
03:30We had like other things that we are in the pipeline.
03:31So, I had my eyes.
03:32So, I had my eyes on it.
03:33And I kept like seeing.
03:34Okay.
03:35Omar and NG all the time.
03:36Uh, and asking about the film and like, uh, and asking about the film and like, like,
03:39occasion here and there.
03:40I was like, we're going.
03:41We did this.
03:42We did this.
03:43We did this.
03:44We did this.
03:45Like, the film, like, it goes like, to, like, it goes way back when actually Gisele started.
03:47That's when I actually met NG and Omar.
03:48Oh, okay.
03:49But, I mean, they were like, when they were seeking money.
03:50I used to work for a company like, that can put like some equity in film.
03:52Okay.
03:53But we couldn't.
03:54So, bridge gaps.
03:55but we couldn't like put it together we had like other things that we are in the
03:59pipeline so I had my eyes on it and I kept like seeing Omar and Andrew and
04:04asking about the film and like occasion here and there I was like we're going we
04:08did this we did this so I kind of like was sitting on the back seat
04:14seeing the whole journey and the whole thing yeah I didn't even get involved
04:19but then then towards the end when they were like okay we have a film Salah
04:24the editor is also like a very close friend and I joined his journey when he
04:28came to New York so I have seen like a lot of progression during this film on
04:33people's lives and everything that happened seeking money raising money and
04:38everything so I was knowing what's going on so it wasn't like an introduction
04:43from the beginning for this project yeah I'm sorry I have to add that the film
04:47and then I'll get the mic to you just I'm not sorry and it started in our
04:51basement Omar and I and that started as we said I told Omar you work organically
04:57the best when he's he really from nothing he can do so much because he's
05:03very creative he's a visual artist yeah and he's a painter yeah and a film so
05:07there's still that's what I wanted to tell you you see it as frames it's like
05:12painting yeah and it's because he's a visual artist yeah wow like when you're
05:17going into the witch doctor that specific is like a painting or the two
05:21girls in the window the two girls in the window there's no it's like impressionist
05:25yeah absolutely so it started in our basement as sketches and then it took you
05:33know it started growing because he doesn't do anything small he always
05:36begins like this and it goes like that yeah and it got the attract the attention we
05:42got the attention of people like Jérôme Latteur who is the music producer of the
05:48artist we sent him like we got his contact we said you don't like in the
05:52industry we no one knows us right so he's like who are these people and we're
05:57like we proposed the film and he jumped in did you show him any yes we showed him
06:01he saw them and so the film was done no it was it was in like board
06:06bits of it bits of it was done okay and we shared we shared him I found his
06:11contact on IMDB we draft up the email together like Engie you know she said she
06:20is one of the she's my producing partner we argue pretty much every day but it's
06:27but we don't argue out of hate all this out of love but we we we break down we send
06:35the email to him and this was a long shot and he responded he responded that what
06:40I want to say is that people love it's really a love story yeah and but it also
06:45it's a love project I should know a passion
07:05when you have an idea of maybe where you want to go perhaps more than not
07:12but then you want to drop a lot of that because you want to try to have the moments
07:31maybe where you want to go perhaps more than not but then you want to drop a lot
07:38of that because you want to try to have the moments created without that to make
07:45it more spontaneous rather than give them too much of an expectation and too
07:51specific let the actor find a lot of it okay let me think directors too much
07:56talk it the best ones don't the best ones and I think it takes a lifetime
08:03sometimes I'm still working at it when I direct yeah to say less so yeah and and
08:09the more you say the harder it is for an actor because they're thinking about way
08:13too much you want them to just get the gist of something often it's not even
08:21anything other than something that that inspires you to to take off it could be
08:28one word I remember working with Paul Sills for the second city and he would he
08:35would look at me and and he would say Roger I you know what I mean and that said
08:47I mean look just live in in the process it's it's the fact that I now like honor
08:53the process more that it's faces I don't think about all the things that are
08:57going to happen to this timeline yeah at all the time okay it's a it's an idea
09:01that does not help will never help it's just what are you trying to get now oh I'm
09:05trying to get a rough cut of this of this scene to feel X okay that's it focus on
09:11that do the best with it because that will take you to the next one before you even
09:14know it interesting I for a while you know as a new editor and you come up you you think
09:19about things that you realize at some point as Roger was just stuck in it's
09:22really actually interesting here in all these parts because acting and editing as
09:28you might think they're not similar they are very and it's funny that we're yeah
09:33we're we're we're dumping in questions like because I don't feel like oh now
09:36last with cutting and the process of editing is it takes a lifetime too sometimes
09:41like you know if I find very experienced editor you say one thing and I'm like
09:45that is so true and it's like it took them years to get you know and that's
09:49really when when people see certain films and they get a certain feeling or hire an
09:54editor to do a certain job this is really what it is about is the amount of
09:58experiences you went through and the experience they've built they built for
10:00years okay to get to that thing they feel like oh yeah they just have it
10:04yeah they didn't just get it took them a while to get yourself
10:11when we talked we're like okay
10:41let's do put this together I work in a post-production facility in New York
10:46it's called picture shop okay and basically we have amazing talents and
10:51basically we're like okay it's a black and white film okay what are we gonna do
10:55with it because everyone now is like 4k 8k 16k you can shoot you can do
11:00everything but there is a still an art black and white okay but it was shot
11:08digitally it was shot digitally yes yes so there is a there is a lot of
11:12techniques there people think like oh you're gonna grab a black and white film
11:16it's gonna be much easier but you have a lot of constraint you playing with
11:20contrast and grain and like how it's gonna look and also Omar is an artist as
11:26well so and and and you can even try that you can just watch the film and just
11:31pose anytime still for it's a still frame yeah that you can you can actually admire
11:36for hours yeah so it's it's it's a very special film the colors we did who did
11:43this project is Sam Daly okay he did succession he did the Florida project he's
11:50an amazing artist as well who deals a lot with contrast exactly in color even and
11:55also on feature work and episodic so there is a huge discrete level of like
12:01dealing with a lot of elements here
12:25and and the process that you've been talking about as well as I think I have
12:43is really something that involves not knowing rather than knowing okay the
12:48problem with the teaching or academic teaching of of art particularly acting
12:55in in in academia is the talk becomes very important all especially in New
13:01York and even more so and and you talk because you have there are theories there
13:07are there are and and and and it's almost an unacademic thing to be acting
13:13interesting I like I always felt I was much more comfortable teaching in my own
13:18studio than I ever was when I was invited into a university or college to teach
13:23because they're yeah there's a syllabus and they're there then they're right and
13:28their expectations and it's hard it's also college and academics is about
13:33learning how to think yes acting is not learning how to think yeah acting is is
13:38using what's inside you to come out and it's not about an intellectual idea
13:43usually it's not yeah it might be part of it but it's not the main thing yeah it's
13:48your instincts which sometimes surprise you as you're doing them they can't be
13:53expected because things happen that are surprises all the time a good director
13:59has to be open to that Scorsese used to say that De Niro every time he would do
14:07a take it was totally different and he would do five or six of them totally
14:12different because he'd feel differently each time and he would say Scorsese would say
14:16I'd be crazy to get intrude in that he gave me six different options to edit why
14:21would I want to say I want it this way let him find that
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