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Charles and John discuss Sarah Branham, daughter of William Branham, whose story has been one of the most concealed and controversial in the sect’s history. The episode outlines the financial exploitation Sarah suffered after the death of her mother and the subsequent mishandling of her inheritance by sect leaders. Particularly, Perry Green allegedly defrauded Sarah of her money while she was working as a missionary in Central America.
As her situation worsened, Sarah attempted to use the sensitive knowledge she held about inner workings and scandals within the sect as leverage. She moved from one sect to another seeking support, inadvertently alarming leadership across the board. Her alleged revelations included forged documents, financial misconduct, and deeply troubling accusations against key figures in the main sect. Eventually, Sarah disappeared under suspicious circumstances. Her story is framed not as one of greed but of desperation for her family’s survival. The episode ends with a somber reflection on the cover-ups and the lingering mystery of what ultimately happened to her.
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As her situation worsened, Sarah attempted to use the sensitive knowledge she held about inner workings and scandals within the sect as leverage. She moved from one sect to another seeking support, inadvertently alarming leadership across the board. Her alleged revelations included forged documents, financial misconduct, and deeply troubling accusations against key figures in the main sect. Eventually, Sarah disappeared under suspicious circumstances. Her story is framed not as one of greed but of desperation for her family’s survival. The episode ends with a somber reflection on the cover-ups and the lingering mystery of what ultimately happened to her.
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00:30Hello, and welcome to another episode of the William Branham Historical Research Podcast.
00:36I'm your host, John Collins, the author and founder of William Branham Historical Research
00:41at william-branham.org, and with me I have my co-host, researcher, minister, and friend,
00:47Charles Paisley, the founder of christiangospelchurch.org, and the author of Come Out of Her, My People.
00:54Charles, it's good to be back, and I don't know if you've seen it or not.
00:58I've been watching some of the feedback that we're getting on the episodes, and we're recording
01:02way ahead, so we're getting feedback for episodes way in the past, but it's really positive feedback
01:10for the most part.
01:11I think whether people were either in the message or people who have escaped the message or even
01:16those who are on the outside looking in, they're all curious to see, what was this mess, and
01:21why was it created? And, you know, looking back, I remember that feeling while I was in
01:27it. I knew that there was something wrong. I just really couldn't put my finger on it,
01:31and there wasn't really, I know there were a few people out there, but there wasn't like
01:35today where there's a lot of people talking about the problems. So you just kind of had
01:40to, in the back of your head, think, well, there's something wrong here. It doesn't feel
01:45right, but this is a movement by God. And so you just kind of ignored that still voice
01:53in the back of your head, you know, and so I'm watching through the feedback, and you
01:58know, we get some haters, we always will, but we actually are getting some positive critiques
02:03by people who are even in the message. So I, this is amazing to me to watch it kind
02:09of unfold. We're just showing the history as it, as it was recorded, but kept from the
02:15members. So I think the other appealing part for people who are in it is they knew something
02:20was being withheld from them. They just didn't know what it was. And today we have one of the
02:25biggest things that has been withheld from them.
02:28Oh, yes, John, we got a good one today. You know, you're, you're so right. You know,
02:32while you're in there, sometimes you, you know, things are wrong. I know, I mean, for
02:38a number of years, I was that way too. I'm like, you know, I know something's not right
02:42here, but we're God's only people in the whole world. He's got to fix it, right? So
02:46you, you endure it because, you know, you, you still, you know, part of the ideology makes
02:52you think, well, there's nowhere else to go. And God has to fix us. I mean, we're it,
02:56right? It's very self-centered in some ways when you think about it. But yeah, that, that
03:02is, I know exactly the rationale in a whole lot of people's mind in the message. We see
03:06there's something wrong, but we're just going to suffer through it because this is the trial
03:11to make us perfect and lead us to glory. And we're God's people and he has to fix us. And
03:16they'll suffer through all kinds of horrible things, you know, in order to reach, reach
03:23the other side. You know, it's, it's, it's unfortunate. I know in our last few episodes,
03:28John, we're, we're getting close to the end of, of, uh, where we're heading with a lot
03:33of this stuff. I think we've got at least one more episode here on the history of the
03:37message. Um, but we, we've been working our way through all the sects of the message, um,
03:44the major sects anyway. Uh, we also kind of did a couple of lightning rounds on some of
03:48the other notable sects of the message. And, and for our listeners' sake, um, with, with
03:53like two very minor exceptions, every group we've talked about is a, is a splinter group
03:57out of the main sect of the message, John. And that's where I really, I, I kept my book
04:01focused on the splinter sects out of the main sect. I didn't go into the splinter groups
04:06of the splinter groups. It's, it's entirely just splinters off of the main group, uh, in
04:12my book. And if our listeners wonder, I'm just going through my book, uh, come out over
04:15my people, volume two, um, chapter by chapter and we're in chapter nine right now. So talking
04:21about the main sect of the message, yes, John, in our last episode, we got up to the 1980s
04:26and we talked through, um, a crisis that struck the central institutions in the early 1980s.
04:32And that crisis, um, had its roots in one, the death of Roy Borders, who was the director
04:38of spoken word publications. He died relatively young and, um, not suddenly though, his health
04:44declined and then he passed away in 1982. Um, and with the decline of his health and him
04:50passing away, put, um, spoken word publications into a crisis. Uh, the other aspect of the
04:57crisis was actually caused by the collapse and implosion of the park, which was led by
05:01Leo Mercer, who had control of the master tape library of William Branham Sermons. Um,
05:08and so you, his, the collapse of the park and Leo's diagnosis with HIV, because there was
05:14a lot of homosexual stuff happening there, um, led to the other part of the crisis. Um,
05:19and in response to that, in my opinion, that's why Voice of God was organized. Um, it was organized
05:25to consolidate, um, the operations of tape production and, um, literature publication in the aftermath
05:34of the downfall of Leo and the death of Roy Borders. And Voice of God recordings then became,
05:40you know, one of the more important central institutions to continue forward the literature
05:44publication and recording publication of the message institutions. Well, that was not the
05:52only crisis to strike the message in the 1980s, John. And, and that was a lot, it was very heavily
05:58covered up a lot of that stuff. You know, there was a direct, there was, I absolutely a directed
06:03cover up of what happened with Leo and Jean and the park and all that. So a lot of people in
06:08the message, they just saw, oh, the big grand opening of Voice of God. And they just saw all
06:14of these things and it was celebratory. They didn't understand what was happening in the
06:18background driving it all. Okay. That was very well covered up. But this next piece was not
06:23so covered up. This was very public. It was very out there and especially here in the Jeffersonville
06:29area, um, and in the other major centers of the message, this was the biggest event of the 1980s.
06:37And we're talking about the case of Sarah Branham, ladies and gentlemen, that that's what we're
06:41going to be talking about today. It's such an interesting and sad case all at the same time.
06:47I remember the moment that you're talking about when Voice of God was opening. I was actually quite
06:52young, but I remember traveling here and touring the big building. And because of my family, I got to,
07:00you know, spend some time inside the offices of the head honchos of the place. And, um, it was like
07:07you described, it was a big event. We thought God was moving. God was coming down in this little
07:13building. And I want to point something out because people who are connected to the main sect and even
07:20some of the satellite groups don't really remember this. But as with everything, whenever something
07:28happens, some big event, they always spiritualize it. This is God's plan. God is moving. God has put
07:35us in this building. This is it folks. This is the last days we're here. We have a headquarters. Now
07:42the mess, you know, they would equate it to the Bible going around the world. Now the message is going
07:47to go around the world. And when it does, that's it folks, the rapture is going to come get you.
07:53And as a kid, you're terrified, man, because what about all my friends? What about, you know,
07:57my neighbors, the neighbor kids who I play baseball with in the streets? Are they going to die? In your
08:04kid's mind, you're going through those things in your head and it scares the heck out of you,
08:09but that's what you went through. And then if you, I don't know if you, your sect was involved
08:15for this, probably not because of the separation. But when they got the new building, which was
08:20outside of the city limits of Jeffersonville, there's this weird problem because they, they
08:26had to like claim that it was Jeffersonville, even though it's really out, it's out of town.
08:31It's not Jeffersonville because, you know, the whole thing is just kind of weird, but that
08:37was the move of God that it was going to go around the world. So they're, they like move the
08:41milepost and to the younger crowd, they're going, Oh, the power of God, just like I did
08:46for the original building. Now the younger crowd's doing that. Well, you also have this
08:51flood of people from all over the world who are coming to see the new multi-million dollar
08:56building that they built. And they're all thinking the same thing. God is moving. This
09:01is it. This is it folks. And then it doesn't happen. Just like, just like whenever the elections
09:08of the president happen or whenever the Pope, every single time they kick that milepost back
09:13further and further and further. Well, I remember it for the original building and it was a big
09:18deal whether they want to move that milepost or not.
09:22I know what you mean. And no, John, we were not there in any aspect of support or finance,
09:27but we were there because we were spying on the whole thing. Every time they did stuff,
09:31we were there. I assure you of that. But, um, the, I got to see William Branham's car that
09:39he died in even at one of those events. Yeah. Yeah. That was pretty interesting. It still
09:43had the bloodstains on it, you know, yeah. And they actually had his car. I mean, up until
09:48the, uh, up until the early nineties, they had his car in a garage on, um, on 10th street
09:54in Jeffersonville. Actually, the first car I bought was from the guy who owned the garage
09:59where Branham's crashed car was at. I even got to have a peek at it then when I got
10:04my, got my, uh, my very first car when I was younger. But anyways, coming back to our
10:09story. Yes, ladies and gentlemen, just like the piece of the true cross is in some Catholic
10:13church. The piece of the true car is, is somewhere in a garage in Jeffersonville, uh, for the
10:19prophet William Branham. But anyway, coming back to, coming back to Sarah and the central
10:24institutions. Yes, John. I mean, I think it's also worth pointing out how
10:28all of those, this is it. This is going to lead us to the, how all that was a lie.
10:34Even the second building is more or less defunct today. I believe they took all of the stuff
10:39out of it. I, there's not, they took the signs off it when Billy Paul died. Like it's
10:43all, it was all just a scam, ladies and gentlemen. Like everything they told you about all that
10:47was a lie and it's closed down today and moved on and evolved into something else. Some
10:52other new way to trick people into giving them money still, right? I mean, it just keeps
10:56going on, but coming back to our, our, our, our information today about Sarah. So the stuff
11:02with Sarah really started to boil in these same years. Um, and, and I think it's fair
11:08to say the roots of what happened with Sarah lay in the immediate aftermath of the death
11:15of her mother. Uh, so when Mita Branham died and Mita Branham died, I believe it was 1982,
11:20John. Um, it might've been 1984. I think it was 82 when Mita Branham died. Um, it's basically
11:26right in these same years when she passed away. Um, obviously then William Branham's estate
11:32is up for being divided between the children, right? William Branham had four children.
11:38Uh, the oldest, Billy Paul, who was the guy running the central institutions. Um, the second
11:43oldest was Rebecca who married George Smith. Uh, the, uh, next oldest was Sarah who married,
11:52um, what was his name? His name was De Corrado. I can't think of his first name offhand. Um,
11:58but Sarah De Corrado, Eddie was his first name, Eddie De Corrado. Um, and then, um, the youngest
12:03was Joseph and Joseph was a minor when his father passed away. Um, and Joseph was not, Joseph
12:13was not really in any sort of a leadership capacity, not really until the, until the mid nineties.
12:21Um, he had other things going on in life that, um, while on paper, he was certainly, you know,
12:27on some documents and paper, he was not in a, in a really functional leadership capacity
12:31until the mid nineties. Now, Sarah though, when, when, when her mother died and they divided
12:38everything up, Sarah, I think felt that she got the short end of the stick on it all, John,
12:44because the truth is, the truth is, and I, I do think if anyone sits and reasonably looks at all
12:49the facts and evidence, the truth is Billy Paul really took most, most everything for himself.
12:54I mean, that is kind of the honest truth. Billy Paul pretty well took everything for himself
12:59and kept all of the, you know, money and assets and everything. And, uh, yeah, Billy Paul,
13:05Billy Paul got the lion's share of the father's inheritance. Nevertheless, um, some of it was
13:11divided up and a little bit did get to go to Sarah. And by a little bit, I mean, it would be,
13:15it would be several hundred thousand dollars in today's money. So Sarah got that inheritance and,
13:21you know, I think things probably would have been okay had not Perry Green robbed Sarah of that
13:30little bit of inheritance. So, so Sarah was a missionary spreading the message in Central America,
13:37um, back then. Um, her husband was, I believe her husband was from Guatemala. My recollection serves
13:43me or El Salvador or something like that. And, and she married, she was spending a lot of time down
13:48there doing mission work. Well, Perry Green had said to Sarah, Hey, give me your family inheritance
13:54that you got, you know, from your mother's death. I will invest it and, you know, send you a regular
13:58check of, you know, the income that comes off of it to help fund your missionary efforts in,
14:03in Honduras and Guatemala and whatever you're doing down there. Well, of course, like so many people,
14:10Perry Green totally robbed Sarah of her inheritance. And I think that is what really started the issue
14:17with Sarah, because then she is intent to get her money back and have her first share. And that's
14:24what's, that's what starts, um, this situation that we're going to start describing with Sarah.
14:30And before we get into that, I want to clear some of the air because I, so the Sarah Branham issue,
14:37what happened to Sarah is probably the number one, actually it is the number one most visited page,
14:44video, et cetera, that I have. People want to know what happened to Sarah. And because of that,
14:52from time to time, I go look at the comments and just kind of scan through them and see,
14:56does anybody have any information on Sarah? And you see a wide variety of comments. So you have
15:03people in the message who absolutely hate the fact that this big issue exists and they want to condemn
15:11me for trying to find Sarah. And so you, you have all this hate, hate mail, which I kind of ignore
15:17that, but embedded in their statements is also a slam against Sarah. They want to say she was money
15:25hungry. She was, you, you guys are focusing too much. You need to focus on our blessed headquarters,
15:32which breaks in a hundred million dollars because Sarah didn't have food for her children to eat.
15:38that's really the essence of what they're doing. And you find all of these comments from the other
15:44side, people who are never in the message. Every once in a while, you get the self-righteous person
15:50who says, well, good riddance. This was another person spreading the message around the globe.
15:55She needed whatever happened to her. I mean, there, there are some awful, awful people out there.
16:00And I want to separate all of that and ignore the fact that she's spreading heresy around the world.
16:07If, if she's spreading the message, she's spreading heresy. Ignore that. Just think of the human being
16:13and think of her children and think of what it is that they're doing. So, so the commenters who are
16:19never in the message, if you've came out of a normal church and your church, your church takes a basket
16:24and offering and says, we're sending these missionaries around the globe. They need some money.
16:29They're, they're going to go spread the gospel of Jesus Christ. The logistics of that, when they go
16:35into another country, they're not earning any money. So I think the number, if I, if I recall,
16:41and you can correct me if I'm wrong, I think Sarah had like $50,000. Well, if you think of what it
16:46takes to survive with a husband and multiple children in another country where you don't have a home,
16:53you don't have anything, you're just going with the clothes on your back. That's a small number for
16:58even one year. That's not, that's not an inheritance. It's, it's not a lot of money,
17:02right? Well, so they're doing this for multiple years. They need the support of the people and
17:09they're acting as missionaries basically for the headquarters because they're connected deeply
17:14to the main sect. Now, I know from experience that the headquarters, they don't give a lot of
17:20money to their people, even their missionaries and the missionaries suffer. However, many of the
17:25missionaries at least got more than she got. So there's this weird, weird rift in the family.
17:31Why did they not give them money to survive? And they have children. Why did they not want the
17:36children to survive? It's as though whatever it was that Sarah knew, they did not want people to
17:43be able to question her and get what was out of her head. They did not want her going out into the
17:48mission fields. So they did not support her. They did not get money. Now that's all my opinion. I can't
17:53say why they didn't want them. In the end, all I can say is they did not want this family
17:58to survive. They wanted them to suffer and starve so they could come back.
18:04I think you are exactly right, John. And I, I have a very similar opinion. So what you were,
18:13you were correct in describing their situation. They are absolutely financially dependent on the main
18:19sect of the message to, for them to have food on their table, right? Because they are
18:24main sect missionaries in Central America. Um, and in addition to that regular, you know,
18:31little bit of, you know, a subsidy or stipend that the main sect would send them. Um, they also had
18:37this investment with Perry Green. They were hoping to get a little income out of to continue to help
18:43them to spread the message. And, you know, and in their eyes, you know, if you take the cult aspect out of
18:48it and just look at it more as a normal missionary, right? Sarah, I believe they were true believers
18:53back then. I, I believe Sarah was a true believer. I believe Eddie was a true believer. I think they
18:58ended waking up that this thing was all a scam, but back then they were true believers for sure.
19:03And, and so there they are. And as, as Perry Green steals her inheritance, um, Sarah responds to that
19:14situation by demanding her money back more or less privately and pressure, trying to pressure
19:24the leaders and the main sect to take some action to get her, her money back. And as part of doing
19:31that, John, as you and I know, she, she told some things that she knew about the main sect of the message
19:40about a few people and more or less, I, you know, blackmail is not the right word here, but more or less
19:47said, I am going to tell these things, you know, if you guys don't do something to help me. And she, she actually
19:54had threatened to tell some things that she knew if they wouldn't help her. And that is then what led to, yes,
20:02not only then had she lost her inheritance and that money coming from Perry Green, then the central institutions
20:08cut off her money completely. And her and her family are left in a situation in the mid eighties where
20:15they are in central America. Their money is nearly exhausted. They are impoverished and they're in a
20:24very, very desperate state. And, and that is where you're at as you come up into about 1985 ish, 1986,
20:32um, her and her family, and they were all young children, minors. I believe she had four children at
20:36that point in time. Um, John, her children would probably be roughly our age right now. I would say
20:41maybe a little, maybe a little younger than us, some of them, but they're, they'd be in our age range
20:46and they, um, they're just left in that desperate situation where she had been totally cut off by the
20:54main sect of the message and they were destitute. You hit the nail on the head. I don't know. So I've got
20:59her letter that she sent around to all of the people of the message. She addressed it to,
21:04to the bride of Christ, I think, or something like this. Take it with you is the title of her
21:09letter. So on my website, you can type in, take it with you and you can read it. But to the casual
21:15rank and file member who reads it, they just read a woman who's destitute. They don't read much into
21:20it. But for those who know the inner workings of how the people in leadership work, you're exactly
21:27right. Blackmail is not the word for it. It's leverage. What she had was leverage. She wanted to push
21:34their buttons because she's in a desperate situation. She needs the money. And if she's
21:39going to be a missionary for this place, well, they have to fund her because that's, that's how
21:44missionaries work, man. You can't just go and take your kids and have them die while you're in the
21:49mission field. So she's using leverage and she pokes every button, man. She, I don't know if you caught
21:55it, but she starts talking about how, I think it, I think she said her mother called Collins Corner,
22:01how she was, she was basically making fun of the tabernacle and how they're all, my grandfather
22:08had become the central figure of that subsect, which is absolutely correct. And everything that
22:15she said in her letter, if you knew what she's talking about, she was right. And I'm reading
22:21through it. Whenever I first come across, I'm like, oh my gosh, man, she let, she held nothing
22:26back. She let it all fly. And then she got into talking about the inner workings of the money.
22:33I can't say much because one of the two brothers is still alive and I'm going to fully avoid talking
22:40about that brother, but I knew about the money and I knew how they handled the money and it was
22:47widespread. So Billy Paul, who is now dead, I can talk a little bit about him. I can remember
22:53conversations with men who are in leadership who were saying, and you, you got to be careful
23:00because if Billy Paul gets his hand on that money, X, Y, and Z. And that conversation like
23:05repeated itself. She said something to that same effect in her letter and to the rank and file
23:10member, you're reading it thinking, oh my gosh, she's just a liar. I've heard people say this when
23:16they read the letter, she's just a liar. But no, man, if you knew the people she's talking about,
23:21she is holding nothing back.
23:24You're right, John. And when you go back to that point in time, the early, even the early to the
23:31very mid 80s, there was still a, remember Ewald Frank's thing had just happened.
23:39Mita had just died and Mita got along with Faith Assembly Fellowship. I'll put it like that,
23:46John. There was for the sake of Mita, even there was a lot of peace that was kept. And
23:51the Branham family knew how to play all the sex against each other. Okay. They were on every
24:02side of everything. Okay. And, and Sarah is, she's going down that list, John. She's using buzzwords to,
24:09you know, to touch the other sex of the message. Okay. Um, and they, and, and in a sense, that's
24:16exactly what happened. Sarah, just like her, you know, here's the thing. Rebecca knew how to do it.
24:21Um, Billy Paul knew how to do it. Sarah knew how to do it. Joseph didn't know how to do it.
24:26Joseph never, this was part of Joseph's problem. He didn't know how to do it, but Sarah's playing
24:31the sex off against each other and, and, you know, using that to get somewhere. So Sarah, um,
24:38Sarah in, in that letter, John is, is saying things that she knows is going to make the Faith
24:43Assembly sect come to her side. It's going to make Ewald Frank sect come to her side. It's going
24:47to make Joseph Coleman's people come to her side against the main sect. That's what, that's very
24:52much what she's doing in that letter as well. And, and as she does, she, she finally comes out of
24:58Guatemala and she goes to New York city and she meets Joseph Coleman. It's what she does
25:04as her first stop, John. And in New York city, you know, it is a great prize to have a member
25:09of the Branham family in your church. That is one of the highest honors, you know, a message
25:13church can be bestowed is to have a member of the Holy family in your church. So, so Sarah
25:19is going to Joseph Coleman's church, the thunder sect of the message, John. And, and the thunders
25:25have been on the outs with the main sect by this point for, for, um, you know, for, for
25:30nearly a decade. And so for her to come in, I mean, this is a huge prize for Joseph Coleman.
25:36Okay. And so, so Joseph Coleman starts, you know, you know, giving her money basically,
25:42you know, to help take care of her family and stuff. And, and she stays there for a while.
25:46And then John, here's the thing. She finally tells Joseph Coleman the secret. She tells Joseph
25:53the secret, Joseph Coleman, the secret that she had been, that she had threatened, um,
25:58to release to her brothers. And when she told that to Joseph Coleman, Joseph Coleman says,
26:04I think you need to go see Ewald Frank. Okay. Now I'm, now here's the thing, John, I'm,
26:10I'm going to just crack the door into what the secret is a little bit, um, before, you know,
26:16here, but after, after she tells this to Joseph Coleman, this was roughly 1986. I think
26:21she tells this to Joseph Coleman and Joseph Coleman encourages her, okay, you need to go
26:26see Ewald Frank next. You need to send, um, you need to start getting evidence together.
26:33And so that's what happens. Sarah then goes to Ewald Frank next. She goes to Europe next.
26:37And now Ewald Frank is helping financially support her, right? So now she's moved to another sector
26:42of the message and same thing, getting money. And she tells the story to Ewald Frank about what she
26:48knows. And when she does, Ewald Frank then encourages her to actually write that open
26:54letter. And the, the, that letter that we all have in the message community that came
26:58after Ewald Frank's recommendation. And same thing, Ewald Frank at that time releases a
27:02statement and comes out very strongly on her side, right? Because you remember he's just
27:07been through the sex scandal and everything. And so this is all, you know, enabling him to
27:11distract, well, my sex scandal is not so bad. Look at these terrible things happening in the
27:16main sect of the message. And so, so Sarah's navigating this. And here's the thing, Sarah,
27:24as she moves through this, she sort of eventually gets turned into actually a pawn of all of the
27:30central leaders of the message, right? Because her, she loses her leverage over time as, as they
27:36become aware of these things and she becomes actually their pawns. So finally she leaves Ewald
27:42Frank and she comes back to the U.S., John, and that's when she then intersects with my sect of the
27:46message with Raymond Jackson. And we're roughly 1988, 1989. And now Raymond Jackson takes up her
27:53cause. And also she, and he starts actually as the mediator between her and her brothers
27:58and sister in the main sect of the message. And so that, that is what is going on here. And so as
28:04she comes to Raymond Jackson, she also tells Raymond Jackson the story. Now, ladies and gentlemen,
28:09I am Raymond Jackson's successor. I can tell you what the story is. I know the story. I know it all.
28:14I mean, I know, I know everything. And she gave copies. Sarah gave copies of everything to Raymond Jackson,
28:22all of which I have in my possession. Hold up that thing. Hold it up before the people.
28:32Last year in our summer convention, you remember some things I said about Sarah Branham.
28:46That was just the beginning of a slow-growing process of a situation between the children.
28:54And believe me, there's two sides to the coin. I know it.
29:02I've got letters in the file at home. Because in the following months after the convention,
29:07I had both opportunity to communicate with Billy Paul and Rebecca and Sarah and her husband.
29:13I've got various letters from different sources, more or less bringing out different details.
29:19But the condition kept grinding on. Actually, it got so confusing,
29:26I just actually wanted to get completely away from the picture of it all.
29:29Because it was actually mind-boggling and worrisome.
29:33The letter that I sent to Billy Paul, I had sent Sarah a copy of it.
29:43I'd also sent a copy of the track that the Lord gave me,
29:48The Dream on the Shaking of All Things.
29:52As the months came and gone,
29:55back in the month of May this year,
29:57we printed our last article just before this convention.
30:01I told Brother Turner, I said, put that track in there.
30:06But I said, that last part about the Branham Movement, I said, leave it off.
30:10I'm going to respect those children long enough
30:13until we see what happens.
30:18The Branham Movement,
30:20and I have to say it with respect,
30:26Billy Paul and his brother Joseph.
30:31Have allowed Satan
30:34to use them
30:38to take a position
30:40over a movement of people
30:42they should have run from.
30:44Have you ever wondered
30:46how the Pentecostal movement started,
30:48or how the progression of modern Pentecostalism
30:51transitioned through the latter reign,
30:53charismatic, and other fringe movements
30:55into the New Apostolic Reformation?
30:58You can learn this and more
30:59on William Branham Historical Research's website,
31:03william-branham.org.
31:05On the books page of the website,
31:07you can find the compiled research
31:09of John Collins, Charles Paisley,
31:11Stephen Montgomery,
31:13John McKinnon, and others,
31:15with links to the paper, audio,
31:16and digital versions of each book.
31:19You can also find resources
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31:44So before we go on, Charles,
31:46I want to talk about
31:47Sarah going to the different sects
31:50of the message for a minute,
31:51because not many people understand this.
31:54If you're on the outside looking in,
31:55you see a church,
31:56and you see leaders,
31:58and you see,
31:58yes, it's a cult,
32:00but they truly believe
32:01the cult doctrine, etc.
32:02You really don't understand
32:04the inner workings
32:05of how all of this happens and works.
32:08So the central figure has died.
32:10William Branham is dead.
32:11You have all of these splinter groups
32:14that are branching off of the main sect,
32:16all of them trying to gain power.
32:19They want to be the next William Branham.
32:21So they're all trying to rise up,
32:23and they will do anything.
32:24When I talk about Sarah Branham having leverage,
32:27that's nothing compared to what
32:29each minister had on each other minister.
32:31Because if you get too far ahead of me,
32:34I'm going to let the cat out of the bag,
32:36and everybody's going to know you're dirt.
32:38So they all had dirt on each other.
32:40And just the simple fact
32:42that Sarah went to another sect,
32:45because she went to this thunder sect,
32:47her being there,
32:49whether she said anything or not,
32:51that was a message.
32:52Because whoever saw her there
32:54would report back to headquarters.
32:56Headquarters would say,
32:57oh my gosh, Sarah's there.
32:59What if she talks?
33:00And they have these closed door meetings.
33:02I know how all this works, right?
33:04So they're up in arms
33:06because she's in another sect.
33:08Is she going to tell?
33:08Is she not?
33:09What can I do?
33:10What leverage do I have on Sarah?
33:11That's how all of this works.
33:13And that's how these people think.
33:15So you have to understand
33:16her being in the sect
33:18was a problem for them.
33:20Now when she's hopping from sect to sect,
33:23she's really getting too far, brother.
33:25Boy, she's getting out there.
33:27I better find something quick on her
33:29or I need to make her destitute.
33:31One of the two.
33:32She's either going to suffer
33:33or I'm going to find leverage
33:34and I'm going to make her stop.
33:36That's how all of this works, right?
33:39So Sarah is doing this.
33:41Sarah is doing her power play.
33:43And what's interesting,
33:45if you understand how these people think,
33:48it's not even that she is doing this to be evil.
33:52If you're on the outside
33:53and you're an actual Christian
33:54who's in an actual Christian church
33:56and not one of these cult churches,
33:57you look at this and you think,
33:59oh my gosh, she's a bad person.
34:01But you have to understand
34:02when you're in this type of religion
34:06where you really have severed consciences,
34:10and there's no simple way for me to say that.
34:12That's what this religion does to you.
34:14It severs your conscience.
34:16She is not thinking about
34:17what she's doing to the other people.
34:19She's only thinking about
34:20how can I make my children not suffer?
34:23That's the only thing that's going through her head.
34:25I want some money.
34:26Because my kids can't.
34:28My kids are hungry.
34:29They can't eat.
34:29We need money.
34:31So she's doing all of these power plays
34:33likely for the sole purpose of her children.
34:37And to all the arguments that I have read
34:39where it says she's just wanting to make money,
34:42you go try to live off of what she lived
34:44in another country with children
34:45with nothing, absolutely nothing,
34:48except for the support
34:49of this little tiny amount of money.
34:52And compare it to the missionaries
34:54in other churches,
34:55how much money they get.
34:56They actually get a salary allowance to go.
34:59Compare all of that,
35:00and you find out that
35:01she was actually quite poor,
35:03and she actually needed the money.
35:05So all of this leverage
35:06that she's trying to,
35:08these power plays she's trying to do,
35:10this is really for the sake of her children.
35:12You know, John,
35:13if you think about what they did to her,
35:15it is not unlike they try to do
35:18to the average person
35:20who tries to leave the message, right?
35:22They cut off their finances,
35:24they cut off their family access,
35:26they cut off their house,
35:28they basically do everything they can do
35:30to utterly destroy your life.
35:33And that is what they did to Sarah, okay?
35:35That's what they did to her
35:36while she was a missionary in Guatemala.
35:39Okay?
35:40I mean, it's a miracle.
35:41Joseph Coleman's the one, I think,
35:42who had to buy her plane tickets
35:43to get her back to the United States.
35:45She was in a desperate situation.
35:47I mean, how was she even going to get out of there
35:49if she didn't pull, you know,
35:50some of those things that she did?
35:53And so, it's awful, John.
35:56I mean, it's absolutely awful
35:57what they did to her.
35:58And unlike the average message believer, John,
36:02you know, who gets excommunicated
36:04and all of these sort of things happen to them,
36:07Sarah's not your average message believer.
36:10She's William Graham's daughter.
36:12You can't do this to her, man.
36:13I mean, come on.
36:15And she is not going to go quietly.
36:17I mean, and the fact that they ever thought
36:19she would go quietly, I mean,
36:20it's just absurd, John.
36:22It's just as absurd for her to go quietly
36:24as they would think people like you and me,
36:25who are also from levels of senior leadership,
36:27that they could just treat us like trash
36:29and throw us away
36:29and think we're going to go quietly.
36:31I don't think so.
36:32No.
36:33No.
36:34No.
36:35Okay?
36:36And now, here's what Sarah,
36:37here's what Sarah did, John.
36:39And when she got back here to Jeffersonville,
36:44she told the story to Raymond Jackson
36:47and a number of other people here.
36:50There are, I know she told Joseph Coleman.
36:52I know she told Ewald Frank.
36:54I'm also aware of a number of private individuals
36:56here in the Jeffersonville message community.
36:58She also told it to.
37:00And I'm going to be super, super, super careful here
37:04and very, I'm going to go at this with a scalpel,
37:07okay, John, and how I describe this.
37:11Sarah, during her lifetime,
37:15discovered a number of secrets about the message.
37:19Some of those secrets are not all that bad
37:21and didn't really bother her brothers too much that she knew.
37:23She knew, she alleged that Billy Paul
37:27forged her father's signature
37:29to get control of the William Branham Evangelistic Association.
37:32She alleged that.
37:33Maybe that's true.
37:34That's one of the things that she alleged, okay?
37:38But I don't think that was really the big deal.
37:40She also knew, you know,
37:42the circumstances of her father's death,
37:44that he really wasn't killed by a drunk driver
37:46hitting him head on, you know.
37:47Like, she knew those things were not true.
37:50She also knew about her father being angry and stuff,
37:53you know.
37:54And again, I don't think any of that
37:56was really the big deal.
37:57The big deal
37:58is this last part I'm going to tell you.
38:02Sarah Branham, at one point in her life,
38:06claimed to have stumbled
38:07onto
38:09a homosexual orgy
38:12in which several members,
38:14leading members of the main sect of the message
38:16were involved.
38:17That is what Sarah knew,
38:20and that is what Sarah saw,
38:21and Sarah was telling their names.
38:23George Smith was walking behind me.
38:26He walks up beside me.
38:28He said,
38:29Brother Jackson,
38:29he says,
38:30I understand you've been helping Sarah.
38:32I said,
38:33I sent her a little offering.
38:35He said,
38:36I'd like to talk with you.
38:38I said,
38:38Okay.
38:39He says,
38:39We're going to be in town a few days.
38:41So as I said,
38:42All right.
38:43This was on a Sunday.
38:45So then on Monday morning,
38:46he wanted to meet me
38:47in a certain restaurant,
38:49him and his wife.
38:49I met him.
38:51We had breakfast together.
38:53But while sitting there,
38:54I was told a story
38:56that is almost unbelievable.
38:59But at the same time,
39:00I had talked with Sarah,
39:02and I got another story
39:04just as unbelievable.
39:07That is what
39:10made the response
39:12have to happen to Sarah
39:13the way that it happened, John.
39:15And that is what she was alluding to
39:18and hinting to
39:19in a number of her letters
39:20and documents and stuff
39:21that she put out.
39:23That is what
39:24was going on.
39:25You know,
39:26people have asked me about that
39:27as well as Sarah.
39:28So that's probably the
39:29second most
39:31common question
39:32that I get on my email.
39:35And I'm going to tread
39:36very carefully here too
39:37because
39:37this is the grounds for lawsuits
39:40if you're not careful.
39:41No names mentioned.
39:44So for the sake of
39:45my historical research,
39:47in order to publish
39:48something as
39:49historical fact,
39:50you have to have
39:51something to
39:52confirm that fact.
39:54You have to have
39:55a piece of evidence.
39:56The fact that
39:57Sarah Branham said this,
39:59and I'm aware
40:01that she made
40:02the claims too.
40:03I'll stop right here
40:04and say
40:05whether she was correct
40:07or not in the claims,
40:08that's her opinion.
40:09I'll just phrase it
40:11like that.
40:12I'm aware that
40:12the claims were made,
40:13but because
40:15she made
40:17these allegations,
40:19it doesn't mean
40:19that I can document it.
40:21And when people ask me,
40:22was William Branham
40:23homosexual
40:23or was
40:25so-and-so
40:26who's in leadership,
40:27were they
40:27engaged in
40:28homosexual acts?
40:30I can't answer that
40:31because I can't
40:32tell you
40:33the hearsay
40:34that she
40:34claimed.
40:36It's hearsay.
40:37It's not
40:37historical fact.
40:38So I'm going
40:40to stray
40:41a bit
40:42from my
40:42historical mind
40:43and I'm going
40:44to just
40:45talk a bit
40:46about,
40:47oh,
40:48how can I
40:48phrase this?
40:49In the mouth
40:49of two or three
40:50witnesses.
40:51I'll phrase it
40:51like that.
40:52That is a
40:52biblical position.
40:54In the mouth
40:54of two or three
40:55witnesses,
40:55you establish
40:56things.
40:57So Sarah
40:57made this claim,
40:58right?
41:00If I were
41:01in leadership,
41:02which I'm not,
41:03if I were a
41:03minister,
41:04which I'm not,
41:05and parishioners
41:07were to come
41:08to me and say
41:09this homosexual
41:11act was
41:12happening among
41:13multiple men
41:15who,
41:16I knew these
41:17men.
41:17Oh my gosh,
41:19I knew these
41:19men,
41:20right?
41:21And I was
41:22in a position
41:23of pastoral
41:25authority and
41:27I saw the
41:28fact that
41:29some of the
41:30men were
41:31victimized.
41:32I would have
41:33to put a
41:33stop to it.
41:34As a church
41:36leader,
41:37if I were
41:37to be
41:38one,
41:38I'd have
41:39to go
41:39to the
41:39authorities
41:39and say,
41:40there is
41:41a huge
41:41problem
41:41here.
41:42I have
41:43had
41:43multiple
41:44parishioners
41:44tell me
41:45the same
41:45thing,
41:46and I would
41:47have to
41:47engage the
41:47authorities
41:48and go
41:48after these
41:49people because
41:50there are
41:51prey for a
41:53predator,
41:53right?
41:54I'm not a
41:55pastor.
41:55I can't do
41:56this.
41:56All I can
41:57say is that
41:58if I were
41:58to have
41:59been,
42:00and if I
42:01were to
42:01have been
42:02a pastor
42:03in leadership
42:03at that
42:04time,
42:05I would
42:06have had
42:06to go
42:06to the
42:07authorities.
42:08Now,
42:08the fact
42:09that Sarah
42:09knew whatever
42:11it was that
42:12she knew
42:12and claimed,
42:13the fact
42:14that she
42:14didn't go
42:15to the
42:15authorities
42:16is a
42:17strike against
42:17her because
42:18the things
42:20that,
42:20I wish we
42:22could talk
42:22more,
42:22we legally
42:23can't,
42:24the things
42:24that she
42:25is describing
42:25is so
42:26bad that
42:27it should
42:28make
42:28international
42:29news.
42:29This is
42:29a big,
42:30big deal
42:31and she's
42:32not the
42:32only one
42:33who is
42:33aware of
42:34this.
42:35I have
42:35as late
42:36as,
42:37gosh,
42:38I want to
42:38think it
42:38was late
42:39last year,
42:40I've had
42:40multiple
42:40conversations
42:41on the
42:42phone with
42:42people who
42:43were aware
42:44of the
42:44situation.
42:45They all
42:46are saying
42:47the same
42:47thing,
42:48so it's
42:48not like
42:48we're
42:49getting a
42:49random
42:50witness who's
42:51making some
42:52bogus
42:53allegation,
42:54I can't
42:55confirm that
42:55it happened
42:56and I'm
42:56not going
42:57to,
42:58but they're
42:58each saying
42:59the same
42:59thing and
43:01they're
43:01essentially
43:02confirming her
43:04allegations if
43:06you're in a
43:07position of
43:07leadership,
43:08which I'm
43:08not.
43:09So I
43:10think I've
43:11danced around
43:11it as much
43:12as I can
43:12dance.
43:13You get
43:13the picture.
43:14Sarah made
43:15allegations and
43:16other people
43:17have made
43:18allegations.
43:19Correct,
43:19John,
43:20and I
43:20think for
43:21our purposes
43:22we don't
43:24need to go
43:24into her
43:25details of
43:28her allegation
43:28and whether
43:29or not
43:29the
43:29allegation
43:30is true,
43:31but for
43:31the purpose
43:32of the
43:33response that
43:34came to
43:34her from
43:36the central
43:36institutions of
43:37the message,
43:37from people in
43:38the central
43:39institutions of
43:39the message,
43:40maybe let me
43:40put it like
43:40that,
43:42it was
43:43based on
43:44her making
43:44the
43:44allegation.
43:45Okay,
43:46so this
43:47is really
43:48what can be
43:49proven,
43:50what can be
43:50documented,
43:50is Sarah
43:51did make
43:51the
43:51allegations.
43:52Whether or
43:53not the
43:53allegations are
43:54too
43:54circumstantial,
43:56right?
43:57So as
43:59Sarah is
44:00doing this,
44:00John,
44:01there is
44:03a concerted
44:04campaign
44:05against her
44:06person and
44:06character that
44:08is going on
44:08at the same
44:09time by her
44:10enemies and
44:11the people
44:12that she
44:13named to
44:14some extent
44:14even,
44:15and they
44:17are doing
44:17everything they
44:18can to
44:18make Sarah
44:19look crazy,
44:20to look
44:20foolish,
44:21to look
44:21like a
44:22liar,
44:22and
44:23basically
44:25discredit
44:25her and
44:26have her
44:26excommunicated
44:27and basically
44:28to,
44:29you know,
44:29send them
44:30back to
44:30Guatemala so
44:30they can
44:31starve to
44:31death.
44:31I mean,
44:32that I
44:32think is
44:33very fair
44:33to say
44:33what they
44:34would like
44:34to see
44:34happen to
44:35Sarah.
44:36And Sarah
44:37is not
44:38having it
44:39though.
44:39Sarah's
44:39not having
44:40it.
44:40And what
44:41Sarah does,
44:42I mean,
44:42John,
44:42this thing
44:42keeps
44:43escalating.
44:44As you
44:44get up
44:45into,
44:45I want
44:45to say
44:461988,
44:461989,
44:48Sarah reaches
44:48out to
44:49Gerald Lee
44:49Walker.
44:50Now,
44:50who's
44:50Gerald Lee
44:51Walker?
44:51Gerald Lee
44:52Walker was
44:53the treasurer
44:54of the
44:55Full Gospel
44:56Businessmen,
44:56international,
44:57right?
44:58He was a
44:59trustee on
44:59the international
45:00board of
45:01the Full
45:01Gospel
45:01Businessmen,
45:02right?
45:02So she's
45:03even now
45:03reaching to
45:05message
45:05believers in
45:07powerful positions
45:08outside of the
45:08message,
45:09and she gets
45:09Gerald Lee
45:10Walker to
45:10basically come
45:11be her
45:12attorney and
45:13put together
45:14a lawsuit
45:15that she's
45:15going to
45:16press against
45:17leaders in
45:20the central
45:20institutions of
45:21the message.
45:21Lo and
45:22behold,
45:23before the
45:26contender even
45:26come out
45:27almost,
45:28in the
45:29mail,
45:30comes this
45:30thing.
45:32This is an
45:33attorney,
45:34a lawyer,
45:36by the name
45:37of Gerald Lee
45:38Walker.
45:40His office is
45:40in California.
45:44When he got a
45:45hold of this
45:46report,
45:47he's a
45:47Christian man,
45:48believes the
45:48same thing
45:49you and I
45:49do.
45:52He got to
45:53correspondent.
45:55So he got
45:56some information,
45:57he went to
45:58New York,
45:58and he talked
45:59with Sarah
45:59and her
46:00husband.
46:02And believe
46:03me, he's
46:04not a
46:05flybenite,
46:06because the
46:07first pages
46:08there, he
46:08introduces
46:09himself, who
46:10he is, the
46:11various friends
46:12he has worked
46:12with, and he's
46:13one of them
46:14go-getter
46:14kind, he
46:17tells you
46:17what he's
46:17won.
46:20I've talked
46:20with him
46:21twice, but
46:23he plainly
46:23tells you in
46:24there.
46:25He got the
46:25story, he
46:26went to
46:27investigating,
46:28and I'm
46:29telling you,
46:29brothers and
46:30sisters, he's
46:31dug things out
46:31of the woodwork
46:32nobody knows
46:33that's been
46:33going on
46:34through the
46:34years.
46:36She puts
46:36the lawsuit
46:37together,
46:38documents
46:38together, and
46:39again, I have
46:39all those
46:40documents, a
46:40lot of them,
46:41John, are up
46:41on your
46:41website, and
46:44in this, she's
46:45alleging all
46:46the financial
46:46crimes, and
46:47basically, she
46:47is demanding
46:48the money
46:50back that
46:50Perry Green
46:51stole from
46:52her, and
46:53she's also
46:53asking for an
46:54equal share
46:55of the
46:56assets that
46:57Billy Paul
46:57had kept the
46:58lion's share
46:58for himself,
46:59right?
46:59So she
46:59escalates, she
47:01wants her
47:01money back
47:02Perry Green
47:02stole, and
47:03she wants a
47:04more appropriate
47:05division of
47:06her father's
47:07inheritance, and
47:08she presses this
47:09lawsuit, and
47:11John, we
47:12know that as
47:13the lawsuit
47:14comes out, it
47:14was about
47:151991, that
47:16the lawsuit
47:17stuff finally
47:17gets mailed
47:18out, and
47:19the threat
47:19to sue
47:20comes in
47:211991, 1992,
47:251993, and
47:27then Sarah
47:28just kind of
47:28disappears,
47:29doesn't she?
47:30Sarah just
47:31drops off the
47:32face of the
47:33earth, disappeared,
47:34and it gets
47:36to the point
47:37nobody has
47:37seen Sarah
47:38in, I
47:40would say
47:41over 20
47:41years now,
47:42John, nobody
47:42has seen
47:43Sarah, no
47:43message person
47:44has seen
47:44Sarah in
47:45decades at
47:46this stage.
47:46Something
47:46happened in
47:47all this, and
47:48Sarah just
47:49disappeared, very
47:52unusually, and
47:55not only did she
47:55disappear, her
47:56husband and
47:56children disappeared
47:57too.
47:58It's unbelievable.
47:59You know, I've
48:00mentioned this
48:01before on the
48:01podcast, but
48:02before Sarah
48:03disappeared, she
48:05was in contact
48:06with my
48:06family, and
48:08she was
48:09making her
48:10rounds to
48:11the different
48:11sects, like
48:12we've mentioned.
48:13She was
48:14explaining how
48:14she was
48:15homeless and
48:15destitute.
48:16Now, I
48:16wasn't there,
48:17so even
48:19though this
48:20is hearsay,
48:21the family
48:21members involved,
48:22I trust them
48:23fully, but
48:24she described
48:25her situation.
48:27She said
48:27that she
48:28had to go
48:29to a place,
48:30I'm not
48:31going to
48:31mention the
48:31place, she
48:32had to
48:32leave, she
48:33would be
48:33back the
48:33following
48:34month, and
48:35never came
48:35back.
48:36So my
48:37family was
48:37waiting and
48:38waiting and
48:39waiting, and
48:40she just
48:40simply never
48:41came back.
48:42So after
48:43all these
48:44years, you
48:44know, it's
48:44funny because
48:45I never
48:46really thought
48:47about what
48:48happened to
48:48Sarah.
48:49It wasn't
48:50until long
48:51after I
48:51left, and
48:52I'm reading,
48:53I had read
48:54her letter
48:55to the
48:56message cult
48:57people, take
48:58it with you.
48:59I'd read
48:59that and I'd
49:00read the
49:00places that
49:01she'd
49:01visited.
49:02It really
49:02wasn't until
49:03I started
49:04into my
49:04Colonia
49:05Dignidad
49:05research, where
49:07I'm discovering,
49:08oh my gosh, the
49:09message was also
49:10tied to a
49:11torture compound,
49:13and some of
49:14the key figures
49:14were involved
49:15in that
49:16torture compound.
49:17It wasn't
49:18until I started
49:18that research
49:19that it
49:19really clicked.
49:21There's
49:21something wrong
49:21here.
49:22She disappeared
49:23and she's
49:24talking directly
49:24with these
49:25people.
49:25What
49:26happened?
49:27And that's
49:28whenever I
49:28paused a bit
49:30to try to
49:30find out.
49:31Charles, you
49:33and I
49:33worked on
49:34this a bit
49:34together.
49:35We went
49:35as far as
49:36we could
49:36go until
49:37we reached
49:37a point
49:37where there
49:38is some
49:39real danger
49:40in going
49:41further with
49:41this.
49:42So we
49:42just kind
49:43of cut
49:43it off.
49:44For all
49:44the parties
49:45involved, we
49:46don't want to
49:46put anybody
49:47in harm's
49:47way.
49:47So we
49:48just kind
49:49of cut
49:49it off.
49:49But this
49:50is a mess,
49:51man.
49:51This is one
49:51of the biggest
49:52scandals that
49:53this message
49:54has ever
49:54had.
49:55I would
49:56agree with
49:56you,
49:56John.
49:57My best
50:00hope is that
50:00Sarah found
50:02a way to
50:02escape and
50:03go live a
50:04peaceful life
50:05somewhere the
50:05rest of her
50:06life.
50:06I really
50:06hope that's
50:07what happened.
50:08But whatever
50:09the case,
50:09she very
50:10mysteriously
50:10disappeared
50:12after all
50:14of these
50:14things transpired.
50:15And there
50:16is, I
50:18mean, I do
50:18think there
50:18are serious
50:19concerns that
50:21it might not
50:22have been a
50:24peaceful
50:24disappearance.
50:24So, anyways,
50:27that's where
50:29I think we
50:29end the
50:30episode at
50:30today, John.
50:31Sarah Branham's
50:32disappearance.
50:33So there's
50:34another aspect
50:35of this that
50:35I want to
50:35point out.
50:36Because unless
50:38you really
50:38understand that
50:39letter, which
50:40I'm going to be
50:41throwing it on
50:42the screen
50:42multiple times
50:43during this
50:43episode.
50:44If you're in
50:45the audio
50:45only feed, you
50:46can go to the
50:47YouTube site and
50:47you can see it.
50:48Or you can go to
50:48the website, just
50:49type in, take it
50:50with you.
50:51You can read
50:51it.
50:52But as she
50:54is doing all
50:54of these
50:55power plays
50:56leading up
50:57to her
50:57disappearance,
50:59she's holding
51:00nothing back.
51:01She's letting
51:02even the
51:03financial numbers
51:03out.
51:05And she's
51:05describing things
51:07that have
51:08been kept
51:08secret, but
51:09the elite in
51:10the cult
51:11knew.
51:12For example,
51:13William Branham's
51:14massive amounts
51:15of money.
51:17Every single,
51:18I can remember
51:18sermons where
51:19we were hearing
51:20how, oh,
51:21this was a
51:21blessed, humble
51:22prophet sent
51:23by God.
51:24He wasn't
51:25after money
51:25like these
51:26other guys
51:26that are out
51:27there.
51:28He lived on
51:30just enough
51:31to get by.
51:32And then
51:32Sarah releases,
51:34no, he had
51:34millions of
51:35dollars in
51:36investments and
51:37banking accounts.
51:39And when she
51:40wrote that, I'm
51:40like, oh my
51:41gosh, man, because
51:42I had heard
51:42stories about the
51:43money that
51:44William Branham
51:44had.
51:45And yet, from
51:46the same people
51:47that I've heard
51:47the stories about,
51:49I have heard
51:49them preach from
51:50behind the
51:50pulpit, that
51:51he could not
51:51scrape two
51:52pennies together.
51:54And we would
51:54hear things like,
51:56oh, he was
51:56not after the
51:57glamour and
51:58the action like
51:59the other
51:59people.
52:00They didn't
52:00tell us that
52:01he had a
52:01$10,000 watch
52:03on his wrist.
52:04They didn't
52:05tell us that
52:06even though he
52:07claimed, I
52:08would never
52:08drive a
52:08Cadillac like
52:09this other
52:10minister out
52:10there, they
52:11didn't tell
52:11you that
52:12Gerald Lee
52:13Walker's
52:13organization,
52:14the Full
52:15Gospel
52:15businessman, gave
52:16him a
52:17Cadillac and
52:17he's driving
52:18it around.
52:19My family
52:19has seen
52:20the Cadillac.
52:20In fact, I
52:21may even, I'm
52:22trying to
52:23remember the
52:23photos on my
52:24grandfather's
52:24wall, I may
52:25even have had a
52:26picture of my
52:26grandfather with
52:27that Cadillac at
52:28some point.
52:29I know I've seen
52:30his Cadillac.
52:31So he's living
52:32this other
52:33lifestyle.
52:35Sarah has let
52:35the cat out of
52:36the bag and
52:37now everybody
52:39has to scramble
52:40to suppress it.
52:42What's interesting
52:42about her letter
52:43that I don't think
52:44many people caught,
52:45the person who
52:48rose to
52:49leadership,
52:50Prophet Jr.,
52:51I'll use that
52:52name,
52:53Prophet Jr.,
52:53as he rose up
52:54into leadership,
52:56she doesn't care
52:57at all.
52:58She's actually
52:59going mostly
53:00after Billy
53:00Paul, which
53:01reiterates...
53:02Billy Paul was
53:02the guy in
53:02charge.
53:04It reiterates,
53:05I mentioned
53:06either the last
53:07episode or the
53:07one before,
53:08it's like a
53:08Penn and Teller
53:09show.
53:10You've got the
53:10face of the
53:11organization,
53:11you've got the
53:12brains.
53:12Well, she
53:13knew who
53:13the brains
53:14was, and
53:14she was
53:15targeting the
53:16brains in
53:17all of her
53:17leverage.
53:19You're exactly
53:19right, John,
53:20and Billy
53:21Paul was the
53:22guy in
53:22charge.
53:23I mean, he
53:23was, and
53:24you know,
53:25it's got to
53:27be careful, I
53:27guess, some
53:28things that we
53:28say.
53:29Hey, I got
53:29more in my
53:29book, ladies
53:30and gentlemen,
53:30maybe necessarily
53:31than we're
53:31saying here,
53:32but, you
53:33know, Billy
53:34Paul was the
53:34man in
53:35charge, and
53:36yeah, you're
53:36correct.
53:37Joseph didn't
53:37really begin to
53:39transition into
53:40true leadership
53:40until the mid-90s.
53:41Maybe we'll
53:42talk about that
53:42in our next
53:43episode a
53:43little bit,
53:44but, you
53:46know, as
53:47you think back
53:48through this,
53:48there's one
53:49other thing I'd
53:49maybe like to
53:50come back to,
53:51you know, and
53:53as we've talked
53:54about the
53:54central institutions,
53:55the one we've
53:56talked about the
53:56least is the
53:57William Branham
53:58Evangelistic
53:58Association, and
54:00in the message,
54:02in those years
54:02especially, the
54:03WBEA was the
54:06top of the
54:07pyramid of the
54:08message.
54:09it was the
54:10controlling
54:10institution, and
54:12what Sarah
54:13does when she
54:14goes after the
54:15WBEA in her
54:16lawsuit and
54:17stuff is she's
54:19pointing out
54:19something very
54:20interesting.
54:23Basically, what
54:26happened is in
54:27the last month of
54:30William Branham's
54:30life is when the
54:31WBEA was
54:32organized.
54:33It was organized
54:34the last month of
54:34his life, and
54:36on the document
54:38there is a
54:39signature for a
54:40line for William
54:41Branham, but the
54:42signature on that
54:43line is not the
54:44signature of
54:45William Branham.
54:46The signature on
54:47that line is
54:48William Branham
54:48Jr., Billy Paul,
54:50and Sarah
54:50essentially alleges
54:52that Billy Paul
54:53forged and
54:55impersonated her
54:56father to open
54:58the William
54:59Branham Evangelistic
55:00Association, and
55:02as that happened,
55:03John, after
55:04William Branham
55:04died, as you
55:05come into the
55:06next year after
55:06he died, all of
55:08the assets of
55:10William Branham's
55:10ministry, the
55:12intellectual property,
55:14copyrights, all of
55:15that stuff, Billy
55:16Paul transfers all
55:18of that into the
55:18WBEA.
55:20So it's after
55:21William Branham
55:22dies that really
55:23the WBEA becomes
55:24the controlling
55:25institution, and it
55:26is Billy Paul
55:27amassing all of
55:29the finances and
55:31power and
55:32copyrights and
55:33intellectual property
55:33controls, all in
55:34the WBEA.
55:36And at that
55:36point he had,
55:38according to
55:39Sarah, very
55:39questionably,
55:41possibly impersonated
55:42his father in
55:44order to do all
55:44of that.
55:46And Sarah was
55:47making those
55:47allegations because
55:48she basically
55:51wanted to have a
55:52share of those
55:53funds as part of
55:54her inheritance.
55:54And she was
55:55alleging that was
55:56part of the way
55:56that Billy Paul
55:57was able to
55:58steal,
55:59essentially,
56:01her father's
56:02assets and
56:03have him for
56:04himself rather
56:05than divide him
56:05out of the
56:06inheritance.
56:07So I think
56:08that that's all
56:09very noteworthy,
56:11you know, to
56:12just, you know,
56:14understand a
56:14little bit of the
56:15backstory and
56:15also the, you
56:16know, the
56:17origins of the
56:18William Branham
56:18Evangelistic
56:19Association.
56:19It is important
56:21backstory and
56:22I'm going to
56:23have to end
56:23this podcast,
56:24this particular
56:25episode, a bit
56:26different than
56:26any of the
56:27others because
56:28of the subject
56:29matter that we've
56:30been going over.
56:31And I'll end
56:33with this legal
56:33disclaimer.
56:35The allegations
56:35that Sarah
56:36Branham made
56:37before she
56:38disappeared from
56:39the face of the
56:40earth are her
56:41allegations and
56:42nothing to do
56:43with our
56:43opinions.
56:44Whether she's
56:45correct or not,
56:46we don't know.
56:47We're just
56:47telling what we
56:48have heard.
56:49And with
56:50that, I'll
56:52end it.
56:53If you've
56:53enjoyed this
56:54episode and
56:54you want more
56:55information, you
56:55can check us
56:56out on the
56:56web.
56:57You can find
56:57us at
56:58william-branham.org
56:59and
56:59christiangospelchurch.org.
57:01For more about
57:02the history of
57:03William Branham
57:03and the healing
57:04revivals, read
57:05Come Out of
57:05Her My People.
57:06And for more
57:07about the dark
57:07side of the
57:08New Apostolic
57:09Reformation, read
57:10Weaponized
57:10Religion, From
57:11Christian Identity
57:12to the NAR, both
57:14available on
57:15Amazon, Kindle,
57:16and Audible.
57:19Love ش
57:431-5-100- Cynthia