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00:00In the beginning of an experience, when the paralysis is happening, imagine electrical current.
00:20There's a lot I don't know, but I do know that they're here.
00:24What we're experiencing is contact with actual intelligent beings.
00:33So that's when I knew for certain that the kids were being abducted as well.
00:44I thought the aliens would attack me.
00:50Would attack you and do what? Hurt you?
00:53Yes.
00:54How would they do that?
00:56I don't know.
01:03Welcome. Thank you all for coming.
01:06I speak for all of my family in appreciating the effort you've made to come and touch us, to be with us, to share with us in appreciation of my dad, my father, John Mack.
01:19John Mack was a distinguished psychiatric doctor and one of the most respected professors at Harvard University.
01:31John Mack died in a car accident in September 2004.
01:34Today, the scientific community at Harvard, and also his colleagues, family and friends, are bidding him a last farewell and a solemn tribute.
01:46John Mack treated some of the many people around the world who claimed to have been abducted by extraterrestrials.
01:52After working for years with several hundred of them, he caused an uproar when he revealed that these people were not crazy, but were telling the truth.
02:05Today I'm in Boston. I met John the year before he died. It was then that we started working on this film.
02:15Several people here, like Randy, have become friends over the last year. Randy is an abductee. One of the people who have experienced encounters with other beings. Experiencer, as John used to call them.
02:27Rudy Shield is also here. Rudy is a renowned scientist in the U.S. and an astrophysicist at the Harvard Center for Astrophysics. He and John were close friends.
02:39The person is in the car, sleeping, and then there's a light. These entities come into the room.
02:57The person is in the car, sleeping, and then there's a light. These entities come into the room.
03:08They feel themselves paralyzed. They're moved. They're taken. They go into a ship. Something happens there.
03:15There may be other people there. They have telepathic communication with aliens. There's some probing.
03:21There's a whole complicated set of events that takes place which is consistent from one person to another.
03:29But there's a basic story here that after several hundred cases in this country and in many other countries,
03:36it all begins to hold together as something that has a very robust kind of truth to it.
03:46And if this is real, then what does that mean?
03:52I'm Stephan Alex, an investigative journalist, formerly a war correspondent. With this professional background, I began this investigation two years ago into the manifestation of life in the universe.
04:05While I didn't have any preconceived ideas on the subject, tales of UFOs seemed somewhat far-fetched to me.
04:11I was intrigued, however, on discovering that serious scientists were devoting a great deal of time to conducting research on the subject.
04:18After several months, I was compelled to face the facts. No, we can't explain it all. Far from it even.
04:27And Rudy Shield wouldn't be one to disagree. He's just published the fruits of his years of astrophysics research, which should earn him international renown.
04:36According to this tireless research, current scientific certainties are proving to be increasingly fragile.
04:48The astronomical view today is that probably any star in the sky that you would look at probably has one habitable planet.
04:56And so it almost takes a great act of religious fervor to believe that life did not start somewhere else in the universe.
05:05I would say that when I listen to these experiencers and their stories, I find in them an incredible coherence.
05:17In other words, if they were trying to just make up some story, I don't think that they could make up 15 or 20 facts that all are compatible and self-consistent in a picture of a distant civilization.
05:33In this way, I could persuade myself the way John Mack has persuaded himself that these people are not making these stories up.
05:43The alien abduction phenomena has been subject of research in America for over 30 years.
05:48I went down to New York to find the first man to spur interest in this field.
05:52John introduced me to him last year.
05:54This woman, Blanche, was a psychologist, and she asked me, did I want to meet Bud Hopkins?
06:00I said, who's he? She said, well, he's an artist in New York who works with people who have had the experience of being taken by aliens into space.
06:12And I thought this was absolutely crazy. This was too far out for me.
06:19She said, no, it's very real. You should go meet him.
06:24So I went to see him. There were several of the people who were there.
06:29And I was struck by the fact that they were very regular people, ordinary people, except that they had extraordinary experiences.
06:40And that was mind-blowing for me.
06:45Bud Hopkins lives in downtown Manhattan. He first heard about the phenomenon of extraterrestrial abduction in 1975.
06:52He's the one who first published books on alien abduction. Since then, he's analyzed hundreds of new cases.
06:59I asked Randy if he wanted to meet us at Bud's house. He knew Bud well. Randy was one of John's patients.
07:05He claims to have had extraterrestrial encounters since childhood, encounters which have left him profoundly traumatized.
07:12It was this trauma, similar to that suffered by a number of war veterans, that convinced John that something very real was going on and that these abductions could not have been simply invented.
07:23A light totally filled the room, like everywhere. It seemed like it was coming from everywhere. I couldn't move. And I saw these four beings, creatures, whatever you want to call them.
07:39Basically, I like that there's something different, other species, other than us.
07:50Came into the room. I don't know how they got in the house. I mean, it seemed like they came right through the wall, believe it or not.
08:01And, um, I could see them all down the side of my bed. And I was four. One was right close to my face, probably a foot and a half away.
08:14And, um, I couldn't move. And then I was freaking out. I mean, so when I turned to face them, I was going to fight, you know, I was going to defend myself.
08:33And I couldn't move until that point, you know, I was frozen with fear. And, um, when I turned to face them, that's when the one closest to me had this rod-like device started coming toward me as I was turning to face them toward this way.
08:58And his arm was coming toward my neck. And as I could see it coming toward me, and it was coming fast.
09:07And it was almost like time slowed down in that second to, uh, because my whole life just, because I thought I was going to die.
09:15I thought that was, whatever that was coming toward me was going to kill me. And, um, my whole life flashed before my eyes.
09:22And then, uh, then it hit my neck. And then I just lost my, my, my whole body froze. Or just, I couldn't feel it anymore.
09:35And I felt, it made a sound. It was electrical, some kind of, some kind of electrical, uh, um, you know, uh, I don't know how you, it's like an electrical, um, buzzing sound.
09:57And, uh, and then it, it seemed like it shut my body down systematically, my physical body, and then my mind, and then my, like systems, system by system, felt like it shut my whole body down.
10:09Um, but every time I go to what, remembering what happened, it's there, it's there.
10:22I mean, and I can't, I just know it right here in my gut, that, um, what happened was real.
10:32And very disturbing to me.
10:39Well, the UFO abduction phenomenon, uh, came to public attention in 1966.
11:08Uh, with the Betty and Barney Hill case.
11:12But I have cases that date back to the 1920s.
11:15So we have no idea how long it's been going on.
11:18But essentially this is what happens.
11:21The UFO craft, uh, have occupants, beings, who seem to be essentially interested in human beings as objects of study.
11:33What generally happens during an abduction is that the person is paralyzed, generally then sees the approach of small figures with large heads.
11:46Uh, it's extremely terrifying at that point for virtually everybody, naturally.
11:52Uh, that person or persons are then lifted up a beam of light.
11:58We have no idea how this works.
12:00Into a craft.
12:02Taken inside.
12:03They are still paralyzed, unable to do anything.
12:06And then a series of physical examinations take place, which concentrate attention on the, the brain, the reproductive system, and the central nervous system.
12:19The conscious memory is pretty much suppressed.
12:24Not totally, but pretty much suppressed.
12:26So the person has sections of the memory, but not the whole story, and is totally confused.
12:33Did this really happen?
12:34Am I going crazy? Et cetera.
12:36But one of the, um, most important things to realize is that the person is taken again and again through his or her lifetime.
12:45In other words, this isn't just a one-time thing.
12:48It's as if that person has become an object of very systematic study by the UFO occupants.
12:56It's interesting to see how similar they are.
12:59They were totally separately drawn different places, different times.
13:03It's true that now we are very used in this kind of figure.
13:06Now we're, now we're familiar.
13:07That's the thing.
13:08But not at the time these things were, uh, were done.
13:11This, this is interesting.
13:13This is scary.
13:15Because they don't look, um, they don't look muscular and powerful and threatening.
13:23They look skinny and, uh, and weak.
13:27Uh, but the, the terror, I think, comes from the fact that when people look at them,
13:33they don't know what's going on in those minds.
13:36They don't understand what that, what those figures are thinking.
13:39I want nothing more in the world than for, uh, people with scientific credentials that are extensive,
13:48uh, and, and especially mental health professionals, to get into this and take it very seriously.
13:54Uh, no matter what their opinion is, they can start off thinking there's nothing to it.
13:59I don't care.
14:01If you're interested enough just to look into it, that's all I, that's all I'm asking.
14:07So I was extremely pleased when John did it, and it was very daring of him.
14:10It was a very daring thing, and it was very helpful.
14:20John Edward Mack was born in New York on October 4th, 1929.
14:25In 1955, John graduated from Harvard Medical School.
14:30He married Sally Stahl in 1959.
14:33In the late 60s, he founded the Cambridge Psychiatric Hospital, and would rapidly secure it a worldwide reputation.
14:40In 1972, he became a full professor of psychiatry at Harvard University.
14:451977 was a turning point in John's career.
14:49He was awarded the Pulitzer Prize for his biography of Lawrence of Arabia.
14:54When he treated his first experiences, John had had almost 40 years of professional psychiatric practice.
15:01In 1994, his conclusions about alien abduction phenomena caused a scandal, yet they would be supported by many other medical teams.
15:10He wrote that the reported abductions were not hallucinations, nor were they schizophrenia, psychosis, or any other mental condition.
15:18He stated these abductions were not dreams.
15:21The abductees were sincere, they had nothing to gain, and were aware of the absurd nature of their experiences.
15:28Amazingly, they had all told the same story, down to the slightest detail.
15:39Just south of Boston, in Martha's Vineyard, I met up with Dominic Calimanopoulos.
15:43Dominic was John's research associate, research which took them all over the world.
15:49After John's first book was published, the question arose as to whether this phenomenon of extraterrestrial abduction was occurring outside of the U.S. as well.
16:01Without exception, everywhere we went, people had experienced some of the classic abduction with the gray beings that has been so commonly reported in the States.
16:13We talked with a lot of individuals about their experiences, but there's something about talking with a group that has collectively experienced the same thing that is just more convincing and seems more legitimate.
16:28In the case where we spoke with young children who had experienced a visitation from two UFOs and the two beings who had hovered over their playground during recess.
16:41This was at a small secondary school outside Harare in Zimbabwe.
16:46And 60 children at recess had seen these two UFOs hover, two alien beings come out.
16:53And I even remember how one little girl described it to me.
16:56She said, it was as if they were kind of floating above the grass towards us or hopping across the grass towards us.
17:02And in this case, I remember John's voice very specifically as he asked one little girl.
17:09And these were very disciplined, sort of post-colonial, little children, different races with braids, very well-spoken.
17:18And John said, well, what would you call these beings that you saw?
17:21And she'd say, I'd call them aliens. I'd call them alien beings.
17:26In September 1994, over 60 children from this school in the suburbs of Harare, Zimbabwe, witnessed several objects landing and two beings coming out.
17:36Just over two months later, John and Dominique came to the scene to work with the children, their parents, and the teachers still suffering from shock.
17:44John, who essentially specialized in child psychiatry, devoted a great deal of time to interviewing the children.
17:51Something scared you, is that right?
17:53Yes.
17:54What scared you?
17:55The noise.
17:56What noise?
17:57The noise that we heard in the air.
18:00You heard a noise in the air?
18:02Yes.
18:03What was it like?
18:04Like a roar or a buzz or a hum or what kind of a noise?
18:07It was like someone was blowing a flute.
18:10It was scary myself.
18:12It was scary because you saw something yourself?
18:15Yes.
18:16Mm-hmm.
18:17I saw a little object hovering.
18:22It was quite big actually, and then there were little ones all around it.
18:26We saw something silver, and then we quickly ran to the logs and we saw a silver, silver thing, and we saw a man standing next to it.
18:38What did it feel like when he was looking at you?
18:41I felt scared.
18:42It felt scary?
18:43What was scary about it?
18:45Well, I felt scared because I've never seen such a person like that before.
18:52Did you see the eyes?
18:54What did they look like?
18:56They were going like that.
18:59Where was the pointy part?
19:01Was the pointy part in here or was the pointy part up there?
19:06Up there.
19:07And what was the feeling when you looked at the eyes?
19:11Um, it was scary.
19:13Mm-hmm.
19:14And what, scary why?
19:17What made it scary?
19:18The eyes looked evil.
19:20Evil.
19:21Mm-hmm.
19:22Mm-hmm.
19:23And what was evil about them?
19:25Say what you mean by evil.
19:32It, the, it looked evil because it was just staring at me.
19:37With what?
19:39Staring at you as if what?
19:41As if to do what?
19:43As if it wanted to come and take us.
19:46As if it wanted to come and take you.
19:48That was the feeling you got?
19:50That it wanted you to go with it?
19:52No.
19:53Did you feel like you wanted to go with it?
19:55No.
19:56Did you feel, what was the effect on you when, when you felt it wanted to have you go with it?
20:02I just unlocked when I started crying.
20:05They came running up here in such a panic.
20:08And, I mean, even if we had staged it, they could not have run all together like that.
20:12Even if we practiced it, I don't know how many times.
20:14Mm-hmm.
20:15They came up here like a living snake.
20:17And they just came, we were in a staff meeting and we just heard them screaming, screaming.
20:21Ah!
20:22And they were here, you know.
20:23And, child can't make that up.
20:26I was very skeptical in the beginning as well.
20:29Um, I believed that they'd seen something.
20:31But I wasn't prepared to accept that it was anything supernatural or anything like that.
20:36But I think the consistency of, of what's been going on indicates that it was more than I was prepared to admit in the beginning.
20:43So both of them were running.
20:45One was running, um, in the trees and the other one was running, running across the ship.
20:50Mm-hmm.
20:51Because there were also trees here.
20:52Mm-hmm.
20:53The eyes were, were like more pointed as they came in toward the center of the head?
20:59Yes.
21:00Is that?
21:01No, more circular.
21:02And this was all black.
21:03All black.
21:04Now you've made pupils.
21:05Did they actually have pupils or was it soft black?
21:07Yes, the pupils were white.
21:08What?
21:09The pupils were white like that.
21:10You saw white in the center?
21:11Yes, like that.
21:12Mm-hmm.
21:13Um, was he near the, uh, the silver object or was he far from?
21:17No, he was on top.
21:18On top of the silver object.
21:19Yes.
21:20Okay.
21:21And, um, did you look at him?
21:25Yes.
21:26Did he look at you?
21:27Yes, then he gave me the creeps, then I stopped looking at him.
21:29Gave you the creeps.
21:30Actually, in your drawing you showed him standing up, didn't you?
21:32Yes, I had to draw him standing up because I couldn't draw him sitting.
21:35Mm-hmm.
21:36Okay.
21:37What I thought was maybe the world's gonna end.
21:44Maybe they're telling us the world's gonna end.
21:47Mm-hmm.
21:48Why do you think they might want us to be scared?
21:52Mm-hmm.
21:55Because, um, you, maybe because we never, we don't look after the planet, um, the area properly.
22:02Mm-hmm.
22:04And, let me, this is, is this an idea that, uh, you have had before that we don't look after the planet properly in the air?
22:19Or did this idea come to you when you had this experience?
22:25When I had this experience.
22:28Mm-hmm.
22:29Mm-hmm.
22:30And how did that idea come to you from this, this is a little hard, but try, try to be with me here, okay?
22:35When you, how did this idea come to you when you had this experience?
22:48I just felt all horrible inside.
22:51You felt horrible.
22:52At what point did you feel that?
22:53When you saw the craft or when you got home at night or?
22:56When I got home.
22:57You had that horrible feeling when you got home.
23:00Yes.
23:01And to say more about that horrible feeling, Lisa, what was it like?
23:04It was like in the world, all the trees would just go down and, and there would be no air and people would be dying.
23:15Mm-hmm.
23:16And those thoughts came to you, had you had those thoughts before this experience?
23:20No.
23:21No.
23:22No.
23:23And did, how did those thoughts come to you?
23:26Did they come to you from the craft or from?
23:31From the man.
23:32The man.
23:33And the man, did the man say those things to you?
23:37Uh, how did he get that across to you?
23:40Well, he never said anything.
23:42It's just that the face is the eyes.
23:46What was the sense you got from those eyes?
23:49He was interested.
23:53They, uh, describe these experiences or these events like a person talks about something that has happened to them.
24:10Uh, and when you're talking with a psychotic who's telling you something and it's a delusion and you feel that it really didn't happen, I can tell.
24:19I mean, I know this is something that a person wants me to believe or they're frightened or they're distorting reality in some way.
24:26There's nothing like that here.
24:27These are people of sound mind by and large, uh, telling me something that's very, they know that I might think they're crazy and so they're a little concerned about telling me.
24:39And, and they, they're very full of questioning themselves and doubt.
24:44And, I mean, the way, and then they describe something very real and intense, a light or something happened to their body or they, that it's the whole quality of the way they talk about it is the way a person talks about experience that happened to them.
25:00John discovered that from Africa to Brazil, Australia to Turkey, all of the abductees described exactly the same beings.
25:07They were first depicted in 1977 in the film Close Encounters of the Third Kind.
25:12For the script, Spielberg took his inspiration from accounts by UFO experts and descriptions provided by abductees.
25:20Now, these beings appeared on the big screen as a result of people claiming to have witnessed them and not the other way around.
25:26Certain traditional cultures have reported their existence for centuries.
25:30For example, Indians of the Amazonian rainforest dubbed these beings Ikuya while they were referred to as the Mantidaini by the South African Zulus.
25:39I discovered this aspect of John's work while I was staying with them.
25:44And it was here that I met Karen, one of his former patients.
25:47When I met John, Karen had just moved into the top floor of this beautiful house.
25:52Karen spoke of abductions that had been reoccurring since she was a little girl.
25:56Another experiencer, Will, had been working for the last five years at John's Research Institute.
26:02Will and Karen both have vivid and conscious memories of their experiences.
26:07They both managed to overcome the initial trauma of these encounters better than most and live normally,
26:13while trying to come to terms with what really happened to them.
26:16It involves dealing with events which are not experienced in everyday life, missing time, intense physical sensations, etc.
26:25Some of these experiences, I hate discussing memory because when you're having an experience,
26:32it doesn't feel like you've lost a part of your memory.
26:35It's more like time has been distorted.
26:38You walk into a hallway, something happens, and then it's five hours later.
26:42It doesn't feel like you've lost a part of your memory.
26:44You were conscious and aware the entire time, but it seems like a section of your life got skipped.
26:49Like edited out or something.
26:51Yeah, it got edited out of the film.
26:53It's just like the film was just spliced together.
26:55So you're completely conscious and completely conscious, but the two frames don't make sense next to each other,
27:01because there's this whole piece in the middle that's missing.
27:04So to give you a sense of what it would feel like.
27:07Right now, we're having tea together, yeah?
27:10So you have a sense of what this feels like to you, yes?
27:13Now imagine the very next second from when I stopped speaking, all of a sudden you find yourself out in the street by the car.
27:21In the very next second, no skipping of time. Do you understand what I mean?
27:26Yes.
27:27So, tea now, next second, outside car.
27:30In your conscious here, in your conscious at the car.
27:33Wouldn't you wonder what happened? Like, you would be at the car and you would think,
27:36how the hell did I just get out here? I was just in that second before drinking tea.
27:40You don't remember walking away from the tea cup.
27:42You don't remember walking to the door saying goodbye to us.
27:45You have no idea what happened between the tea cup and the car.
27:48But you were conscious at both places.
27:51You say what?
27:52It's peas and carrots. I took a couple of years to go to school.
27:55When I woke up, as an adult, in the room, filled with the blue light, for a moment I thought to myself,
28:02is this a gas leak? Is this a gas explosion? Is there a fire?
28:05Followed immediately by the fear of, they're coming.
28:09And I tried to shove myself underneath the bed, tried to hide, tried to squirrel myself away
28:13because there was nowhere in this small room to hide.
28:15And then sure enough, door opens up and these two beings scurry in and one touches my leg.
28:21You know, very physical, touches my leg.
28:23And I knew that that light meant that those things were about to show up.
28:27So the first part of it starts out as they meet us, as they meet the experiencer in this density.
28:35And it's that dense. But then there is the experience of being taken or leaving this dimension.
28:43And in the leaving of this dimension, things don't feel so dense and they don't feel so dense.
28:49It feels like the vibration shifts, that everything speeds up.
28:52It feels like the body becomes light.
28:55And for me specifically, it felt like my cells were being pulled apart and that the speed of everything moved up.
29:04Like, you know, things were moving much quicker.
29:08If this was just something that was just happening like it felt like in my mind, that just felt like dreams,
29:13I would have never told anybody about it.
29:15I would have kept that to myself.
29:17I'm aware that these stories are insane to the listener.
29:21I'm aware that they sound crazy to everybody else.
29:24Why would I want to go put myself out there and say,
29:26I have all these dreams that I think are real. That's retarded. That's stupid. I wouldn't do that.
29:31The only reason that I believe them, that they are what they are,
29:36is because my body was very physically involved in all of them.
29:40And because these experiences, these beings, physically interrupted my world.
29:45What we've learned from many experiencers, including myself, who have described this experience in detail,
29:51I believe that what we're describing is two different realities, meeting, mixing temporarily,
29:58and then separating, leaving very little evidence.
30:01So, I believe that these meetings of two worlds, it seems to only be for a few minutes at a time.
30:10I don't know that an alien could appear in our world and stay here.
30:15What we've seen, or what I've seen, is them in our environment only briefly.
30:2110 minutes, 5 minutes, 20 minutes.
30:24Then they remove us, me, anyone, from their environment,
30:30take them into their alien environment for most of the time, and then bring them back.
30:40For centuries, people believed the Earth was flat.
30:46In the history of science, the most absolute certainties have been swept away by revolutionary discoveries.
30:53Could it be then, that we're at the dawn of a new development?
30:58I left Boston, heading for the Canadian border, where I had arranged to meet two New Yorkers, Michael and Trish.
31:21Michael's writer, Trish, a former company director.
31:24In September 1997, Michael and Trish, who had recently met, were preparing to spend their first weekend together.
31:31It was then that it happened, on this very spot.
31:35Hi, Stefan.
31:36Hi, Stefan.
31:37Great to see you.
31:38Nice to see you.
31:40Did you have a good trip?
31:42Yes, very good.
31:43So glad you're here.
31:45Very sure that everything happened.
31:47Yeah, it was when we woke up in the middle of the night, the object was out over the lake, between this tree and this tree.
31:56What kind of object was it?
31:57Well, I saw a large egg-shaped ellipse with a big light coming out of it.
32:02And from my view from the house, I didn't see the elliptical shape so much, but I saw this huge beam of light coming out 20, 30 feet high.
32:12Michael had known for many years that he was an experiencer, while Trish had never heard of this phenomenon.
32:19That night, Michael found himself sitting on the foot of the bed with his eyes wide open, watching an extremely bright object outside, hovering over the lake.
32:29Shortly afterwards, Trish found herself at exactly the same place, while Michael had gone into the kitchen to observe the object.
32:37Neither of them have any recollection of what happened from the moment they went to bed to the moment they found themselves sitting on the foot of the bed.
32:44They both wanted to explore this mental plank individually through light hypnosis sessions with John Mack.
32:50These sessions would help them to remember the entire experience, and it turned out that their respective versions were virtually identical.
32:59Seeing the UFO was not the whole experience. It was only the end of a much longer experience.
33:09And so what we discovered was that between the time we went to sleep and the time we woke up, that we'd actually had an encounter.
33:18I recalled suddenly being higher than the bed.
33:24I was lying on the bed on my back, and my feet were, I could see my feet turning up a little like your feet would if you're lying down, the toes are up higher.
33:36And I could see them, and I was lying down, and I could feel that I was maybe a foot above the bed.
33:43And I was really interested in that.
33:47I thought, wow.
33:49But I could just feel it, and then my body started to move, and it turned slightly, and it went toward the wall, and I just kept moving, and soon I was moving through the wall.
34:04And I would think that that would be basically crazy, but that's what was happening, and somehow I was moved into this light tunnel.
34:18I don't know where, because I can't see where I was, or if anyone was with me, but I was kind of like tilted back.
34:26You know, I don't really know how to explain it, but if I'm up straight, I was kind of like tilted back.
34:31And then I thought I saw some beings, but I couldn't get a clear image.
34:35It was like if you had a camera, and you kept turning the lens and putting the person in and out of focus.
34:42I couldn't really focus on them, so they'd be kind of a shape of like five shoulders and heads looking at me.
34:49And then I was moved to another place, and there was kind of like a big light shining on me with some silhouettes of people or beings.
34:59And then I was brought to another place.
35:01I didn't have really a lot of clear images.
35:05And then suddenly I was going backwards through the tunnel that I had just gone forwards through,
35:14and I could recognize the sequence of the colors, and so I knew I was going back through the very same thing that I'd gone through.
35:22And then suddenly there was just blinding light, and I was sitting on the edge of the bed.
35:29There was a being with me, and I was seated in a chair, and I was just moving down the tunnel.
35:38Something was drawing me down, and this being was with me, and I was completely feeling love.
35:48I felt very comfortable and very secure.
35:52I felt surrounded by love.
35:55It was amazing.
35:57I just couldn't, I can't even explain it too well right now.
36:01I just felt so safe.
36:04And then I was, the next thing I knew, well this being was made of light, which I had never seen a being of light before.
36:16But I could see the eyes were brighter, and then the rest of the, there was not a definition of a body, it was just light.
36:23And, but it was very loving and friendly.
36:27And then the next thing I knew, I was sitting on the end of the bed, looking out the window at this tunnel of light, which is across the lake.
36:39I couldn't tell if it was disappearing, or if it was being retracted back into the big ellipse.
36:46But it was, either it was being pulled in or it was disappearing.
36:49And then for one moment, there was no extension, there was just the big egg shaped object.
36:55And then, it was gone.
36:59And it vanished, it vanished right before my eyes.
37:04Even more surprising is that the night before their experience, Michael, a romantic at heart, captured their evening on film so that if he and Trish were still together the following year, they could watch the tape.
37:15For no particular reason he went to film outside.
37:18As planned, they watched the tape one year later, only to find that an unexplained object had been recorded.
37:25This is the cabin that we stayed in when we had the encounter.
37:29That's the bedroom, that's the living room.
37:31Now I'm outside the cabin looking back in, there's me in the camcorder.
37:35But look, here's a light and a light, and I'm zoomed right in on it.
37:39And yet, and there's another one down here, and I really wasn't aware of them.
37:45It wasn't what I wanted to do.
37:47And the silent, see it's completely silent.
37:59But now some geese come in, so you see that the camcorder is working.
38:04So what were those silent lights?
38:06And how did they just vanish?
38:08And the most amazing thing is that you, you don't remember it, you filmed that.
38:12I don't remember I filmed it, and see now I'm back just making the dinner,
38:15as if it never happened, and I didn't see the pictures for a year.
38:19Because we were still dating a year later, and I took the video out.
38:23And that's when I saw the lights.
38:29What was on this videotape, an object?
38:32I certainly realized that the emotions experienced by the abductees I had talked to
38:37were what really impressed me the most.
38:40Michael, Trish, Randy, Will, and Karen are all mentally stable people.
38:46For John too, the individual testimonies were the most convincing evidence.
38:51As a psychiatrist, an expert in the workings of the mind,
38:55John had become certain that, as well as being sane,
38:58the abductees were telling the truth.
39:01The way science works, you get a pattern emerges, you know,
39:07which has a certain robustness.
39:10Not everyone's the same.
39:11Some are more traumatized.
39:13Some are more spiritually open.
39:15Some are more involved with ecology.
39:18And some have more apocalyptic kind of images.
39:22And in this particular culture, this is not supposed to happen.
39:26So what?
39:28What's possible is a matter of world view.
39:32It's arbitrary.
39:34A culture decides what's real.
39:36What's real in this culture is completely different
39:38than what's true in American Indian reality,
39:41or Tibetan Buddhist reality,
39:44or Hawaiian kahuna reality, or whatever.
39:50You know, we have one set of ideas of what's real,
39:53which is a very limited one.
39:55It's become more and more limited as the centuries have gone on.
39:58So that, as poet Rilke said,
40:01in talking about the spirit world,
40:03the senses by which we can know the spirit world have atrophied.
40:09In other words, we don't even have the apparatus
40:12in our perceptual capability of knowing much more of reality.
40:17It's like we've lost the very senses to know
40:22beyond this limited physical horizon.
40:32Why do we so desperately want to believe that all this isn't possible?
40:36This, however, is not the question that these abductees pose.
40:40They don't ask me to believe them, nor do they try to convince me.
40:44Is it what we call rationality that makes us reject what they have to say?
40:50Spending time with John made me realize
40:52that we don't have enough information to decide what is or is not possible,
40:58as too many things remain beyond our grasp.
41:01So I decided to listen, to continue my research,
41:04and to explore this new frontier.
41:06And this brought me to Sue and David's picturesque home in Vermont.
41:18Sue's 56.
41:19She's experienced abduction since childhood.
41:22They've been very traumatic experiences for her.
41:25In the course of time, she's managed to overcome her fear,
41:28among other things, by painting her visitors.
41:30It was so scary to me when I think about it,
41:32but then when I finally was able to paint it,
41:35then it didn't seem so scary to me.
41:37His face doesn't look that scary.
41:39He almost looks like he has a look of wonderment.
41:43But you remember precisely having seen this face?
41:46Yes.
41:47When was it?
41:48The first abduction Sue remembers clearly occurred when she was 19.
41:52A pulsating blue light woke her as it made its way across the bedroom.
41:56Sue was in bed, terrified and unable to look at it.
41:59They're here, she thought.
42:01But who are they?
42:02Her thoughts made no sense at all.
42:04She heard her mother get up, call her, and then go back to bed.
42:07Terrified, Sue found the courage to turn around
42:10and was then she noticed two small gray beings.
42:13Then she passed out.
42:15The next day, her mother confirmed that she did get up
42:17after hearing a noise in her daughter's room,
42:20but that some sort of a force compelled her to go back to bed.
42:23Gradually, Sue would come to realize that she'd been abducted since childhood,
42:27but simply didn't understand what was happening.
42:30That was really when I was 19 was the first time
42:32that I remembered seeing these beings when I was a kid.
42:35Coming into the room and waking up
42:38and finding them standing next to your bed and being terrified.
42:42feeling that, I remember feeling that the world was just not a safe place.
42:55That there was nowhere that was safe.
42:57That no matter where I went or what I did, that they could find me.
43:02And that nobody could help me.
43:05Nobody could...
43:06Nobody could stop it.
43:08It was really scary.
43:10Ah!
43:11Whew!
43:13Scary way to grow up.
43:15And, um...
43:17So as I got older, that's what bothered me so much with my kids,
43:21was knowing that they were also being visited
43:25and there was nothing I could do about it.
43:36David, Sue's husband, manages a construction company.
43:39A nature lover, he's preparing for retirement
43:42by turning part of their land into a Christmas tree farm.
43:45David gets up at dawn every morning.
43:48He's never been abducted himself
43:50and he lived with Sue for over 30 years.
43:53The trees on the sides of the field are all old.
43:59A lot of them.
44:00And, uh...
44:01They're, uh...
44:04Starting to fall, you know, starting to fall on my Christmas trees and stuff.
44:08Oh.
44:09So I take them down, use them for firewood rather than letting them fall into the field.
44:14He's such a good boy.
44:17He's such a good boy.
44:19You have seen things yourself around here?
44:21Not so much seeing things but being paralyzed.
44:24Oh, yeah.
44:25You know, held down.
44:27And, uh, where I can't move.
44:30It was involved with things that were going on with Sue as near as I can tell
44:34and I tried to get up and I'd be paralyzed.
44:37You know, I couldn't move.
44:38Do you remember what's happened then?
44:40Oh, I never can remember anything.
44:42Just before being paralyzed?
44:44Um, just the noises or something or she was stirring and I was trying to get up and, you know, to see what was going on.
44:51Might be obsessing, no?
44:53Well, yeah.
44:54I mean, just, just, uh, it even happened, that happens here to me too.
45:00Seems like a heavy weight is holding me down.
45:03That's right.
45:04That's right.
45:05Yeah.
45:06Just, you know, holding me in bed and, uh, uh, I can't explain it except it's, it's, I'm strong and I, I can't, I can't hold it back.
45:17And then I go to sleep or something and when I wake up, it's okay.
45:25After lunch, David went outside to do some work on the farm, as he liked to call it, his Christmas tree farm.
45:32Winter was setting in.
45:35David and Sue have two children, Danny and Jake, who are both going on 30 and no longer lived with their parents.
45:43In 1990, Sue experienced an abduction in which her two children were also involved.
45:49Danny was 13 and Jake 11.
45:51Night had fallen.
45:52Sue and David were woken up by a blue light and their dog, Molly, whining.
45:57The dog was downstairs, petrified.
46:00Sue got up, but David couldn't get out of bed.
46:03Sue suddenly felt as if she was being pushed towards the stairs.
46:07As I walked down the stairs, I remember thinking, um, I'm going to make sure I'm, I'm looking at this is, this is my home.
46:15It's Sunday night.
46:16David's in bed.
46:17It's 11 o'clock.
46:18This is, you know, these are my pictures that are on the wall.
46:21This is the kind, this is the color of my rug.
46:24I know that I'm awake.
46:26And I stepped into the kitchen.
46:29And, uh, Danny was standing there.
46:38He was 13.
46:41And he, uh, he was standing like a robot.
46:46I mean, his hands, his hands were really down like this against his side and his eyes were really big.
46:52And he looked so scared.
46:55And I stepped toward him.
46:57And I remember thinking, my God, he's paralyzed with fear.
47:02That's the thought that went through my mind.
47:05And I stepped toward him.
47:06And I put my hands out to him.
47:07And I said, sweetie, they won't hurt you.
47:09They won't hurt you.
47:10You'll be okay.
47:11They won't hurt you.
47:12And it was like he couldn't even hear me.
47:16He didn't look at me.
47:17His eyes were just like straight ahead.
47:19And the light was all around us at that time.
47:24And I walked past him and pulled in behind him, stepped in behind him.
47:33And just as I stepped in behind him, I could see Jake coming in the other door into the kitchen.
47:39And I remember thinking I was so angry.
47:44Because I thought, they've been messing with me my whole life.
47:50Don't mess with my kids.
47:53But there was nothing I could do.
47:57And that's the last thing that I remember.
48:01Everything after that was like a dream.
48:04It just got like really, you know, like in a dream where things, you know, out of sequence.
48:09And I knew I wasn't in my home.
48:11I didn't know where I was.
48:13But I could hear Danny screaming.
48:15And I was just like trying to hit something.
48:20I remember it was just really crazy.
48:22And then the next thing that I remember was waking up the next morning.
48:28Waking up in bed.
48:29And David was there.
48:33And when I woke up, I laid awake for a few minutes.
48:37And I thought, it had to have been a dream.
48:41Sue, he said, you did.
48:43You did get up.
48:44He said, and I did speak to you.
48:47You were walking around at the end of the bed.
48:49And he said, I asked you where you were going.
48:51And you said that now he was crying.
48:53And that you were going downstairs.
48:54And he said, I tried to get up.
48:56And I couldn't move.
48:59Because it was like I was paralyzed.
49:01And something was pushing down on me.
49:04And everything went black.
49:06And I couldn't remember anything after that.
49:10And I remember feeling such total helpless fear.
49:30You know, the birds are eating the bugs in the tree.
49:32So it's time to, you know, make it into wood.
49:35See the holes?
49:36Oh, yeah.
49:37Yeah.
49:38Just why the limbs are breaking off.
49:39And it's just, I'd rather burn it than just have it rot.
49:44What do you want to know, Captain?
49:46Just to know what you're feeling about all this thing happening to Sue and your children.
49:53I don't know.
49:56I mean, it's something so weird.
49:59How did you react first?
50:01When was it the first time you noticed that something was going wrong?
50:06Well, she started having, you know, these experiences she has since she was a child.
50:11And then, you know, after the boys were born, there just more and more stuff happening to her.
50:17And so we just, you know, and I just learned more about it by listening to her.
50:25Just like spirituality, I've learned by listening and watching what happens.
50:30And, you know, pretty much that's, you know, that's the way it is.
50:35It just, there's not much you can do about it.
50:38There's just a lot of educated people that believe, you know, in the UFO phenomenon.
50:47And I'm not putting myself as one of the educated, but you have to keep your mind open for everything.
50:52You know?
50:53And so, that's what it is.
50:57Not a single person to date is able to provide a reasonable explanation for what happened to these experiencers.
51:06They're honest people of sound mind and something external interfered in their lives.
51:12It may be time to stop saying that anything that we fail to understand simply does not exist.
51:18I read this article, I, um, and I kept asking as I was reading it,
51:25because it was a kind of Jungian interpretation of the UFO phenomenon,
51:29and I kept asking, okay, but is this real?
51:34Now, what I meant was real probably was pretty literal at the time.
51:38I mean, are we, are UFOs real? Are people really seeing aliens?
51:42And, you know, this kind of thing.
51:45And, um, I guess if you ask a question strongly enough,
51:52the universe cooperates and gives you information relevant to the question.
52:08So, where are you?
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