00:00Frankly, it's been pretty obvious since day one that her CV was false and she's not up to the job.
00:05I think this has got nothing to do with that, Nigel. I just think that something happened.
00:10We have no idea what we have no idea why she was upset. And she was upset.
00:16I mean, she's sometimes things get away from us. Right.
00:20All I'm saying has got nothing to do with her.
00:23No, no, there's more going on. OK, there's more going on.
00:25She was supposed to have a welfare bill that was blown out of the water, frankly.
00:32She's got to find five more billion, five billion pounds more in the autumn budget.
00:38She'll probably have to raise taxes. There's been huge pressure.
00:41I mean, I've been there. I haven't been a whip, but I've been involved in the kind of whipping operation when I was what's called a parliamentary private secretary.
00:47They'd have been ringing MPs every hour on the weekend saying, please, please, please vote for the government.
00:55That's stressful. You're on the call to close parliamentary colleagues.
00:59They're saying we're not going to vote for you. It's been a very stressful time.
01:02Yes, but what I'm trying to find out is what you two are saying, that the fact that the fact that she and it was only tears.
01:10She didn't make a fuss. Right. She just had a tear rolling down her face.
01:14And that means she's not up to the job. I mean, I just think this is crazy.
01:19I think this is crazy. Her record is dire.
01:22She lied about her CV. She's not qualified to do the job.
01:25Oh, come on. Nigel, she's slightly exaggerated something.
01:29Slightly? No, it was a wild exaggeration.
01:31There were some exaggerations, but I'm trying to be as compassionate and fair to her as possible.
01:36All I'm saying is, I don't say, of course it was stressful.
01:39What she's been through is incredibly difficult.
01:42And actually, most of her predecessors, all of her predecessors have been through similar moments.
01:47And you've got to keep it together.
01:49And the fact that she didn't says to me there's a wider problem within the government.
01:53And her relationship with the prime minister, particularly her relationship with the backbenchers.
01:57Is that unfair?
01:59It is unfair.
02:00Why?
02:00You have no idea. You have no idea.
02:03I mean, you have no idea what the stress is.
02:05I've been there.
02:05I have no idea about her.
02:06No, I know, quasi.
02:08And because you're a man, you didn't cry when she sacked you.
02:12Nobody sacked Rachel, right?
02:14No, exactly.
02:15But I know.
02:16She's still there.
02:16Just a minute.
02:16I know that there are times, it happens to be very rarely.
02:21It's nothing to be being a man.
02:22It's nothing to be being a man.
02:23No, but you're doing this.
02:24No, what I'm saying is the fact that she didn't make a fuss, the fact that a tear rolled down
02:31her cheek somehow makes her weak.
02:34I don't think it's a sign of weakness.
02:35I think it's a real shame.
02:37I think it shows that something was not happening.
02:40It's got nothing to do.
02:41It's got nothing to do with how she is as a Chancellor.
02:44Maybe it's a symptom of what has become a pretty dysfunctional government.
02:49I agree with that.
02:50I agree with that.
02:51What's going on in this U-turns, they would have had a very stressful week, but I can believe
02:54you.
02:54You talk to me about a dysfunctional government.
02:57You were in.
02:58You were the Chancellor.
02:59I didn't cry.
03:00I never cried.
03:02Great.
03:02Maybe it would have helped if you had.
03:04You were in about a dysfunctional government.
03:06Maybe it should have done.
03:14You were right.
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