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The G7 Summit in Banff, Canada is overshadowed by the escalating conflict between Israel and Iran. US President Donald Trump left the summit early to return to Washington as tensions reached new heights. Israel has warned of significant strikes on Tehran, while Iran vows to defeat Israel. The US has moved B-2 bombers to Diego Garcia and positioned three aircraft carrier battle groups in the Indo-Pacific region. The ongoing conflict between Iran and Israel has escalated, with Israel targeting Iranian nuclear facilities. The United States has increased its military presence in the region, with carrier strike groups and B-2 bombers deployed to the Arabian Sea. Experts discuss the potential for US involvement in bombing Iran's nuclear sites, particularly the Fordow facility. The transcript also mentions the risks to civilian aircraft in the conflict zone and protests against Pakistan's Army Chief in Washington DC.
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00:00Hello and a very warm welcome to an India Today special broadcast that comes to you from PANF in Canada.
00:06I'm Gaurav Saab and this is where the G7 summit is happening at Kananaskis.
00:12There are several world leaders who are here.
00:14Prime Minister Narendra Modi will be having a series of interactions with world leaders
00:19including the President of Ukraine with the Prime Minister of Canada,
00:23with the Prime Minister of Italy, Georgia Meloni and with the President of Germany.
00:27But what's with the Chancellor of Germany, but what's extremely interesting,
00:31US President Donald Trump, he's left the G7 summit and he's flown back to the United States of America
00:37as tensions between Israel and Iran escalate to an all-time high.
00:43The latest information is that it appears time for Iran is running out.
00:49Will US bombers that are now flying to Diego Garcia base B2 bombers?
00:55They're the only ones with that heavy munition that can target the underground bunkers in Foduo area of Iran.
01:05Are they now likely to join this battle?
01:08What next?
01:08That's our top focus story on this special broadcast.
01:15Fresh explosion across Tehran.
01:18Donald Trump exits G7 early.
01:26Triggers big speculation.
01:28Their program's going to be wiped out long before then.
01:32But they're not going to have a nuclear weapon.
01:35Will US bust Iran's key nuke facility?
01:38Israel, Iran, big escalation coming.
01:47Big focus on India first.
01:50There are three US aircraft carrier battle group fleets that are also moving into the Indo-Pacific region.
02:02Three aircraft carrier battle groups.
02:04What does that indicate?
02:06What's on the horizon when it comes to Iran?
02:09Because Israel has threatened a massive escalation.
02:13And after American President Donald Trump spoke of people asking them to leave Tehran,
02:19there is virtually a mass exodus that's taking place.
02:23The next 24 to 48 hours remain extremely crucial.
02:26And we will get to the latest details.
02:28But first as always, the headlines on India first.
02:31Israel warns Iran of significant strikes in Tehran.
02:41Iran says Israel will be defeated.
02:44Trump takes stock in the White House situation room.
02:53India's massive evacuation drive in Iran underway.
02:56Indian medical students are being taken to safety.
02:59One hundred and ten students have been escorted now to Armenia.
03:09Technical snags ground at least five Air India Dreamliners.
03:13This after increased scrutiny of Boeing flagship aircraft after the horrific crash last week in Ahmedabad.
03:25Unseen video of Air India plane crash emerges.
03:28These images show medical hostel students jumping to safety,
03:32virtually grappling down the building on fire.
03:44Pre-monsoon showers in the national capital bring relief from the heat wave,
03:48but waterlogging in several parts of the national capital.
03:51Right now we are at the Rocky Mountains area and this is seen as one of the most beautiful parts of Canada.
04:11But the conversation to a very large extent is all about tensions in Iran and the conflict between Israel and Iran and whether any efforts can still be made to dial down the tensions.
04:24And very clearly there appears to be massive escalation.
04:27Day five of the conflict, Israel has been pounding several military locations deep inside Iran, including an air force base in the past 24 hours,
04:372,300 kilometers away from the Israeli border.
04:40It's also taken down the top army commander appointed just four days ago in Iran.
04:46Now, if a general is not safe and if several top commanders have been neutralized, there are questions that are now being asked how safe is the supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.
04:59But before I come to that, let me get you all the top developments that have been taking place, top developments in the past 24 hours.
05:07Israel has warned of attacks on significant targets in Tehran, Donald Trump's early exit from G7 does indicate that something big is on the cards.
05:19U.S. has moved the largest B-2 stealth bomber fleet in the Indian Ocean region at Diego Garcia.
05:29Three U.S. aircraft carriers, USS Nimitz, USS Carl Vinson and USS Harry Truman are now being moved to be deployed in the Indo-Pacific.
05:41Donald Trump says he hasn't offered any peace plan to Iran.
05:47There are no peace talks with Iran.
05:48Donald Trump also says he wants Iran to give up its nuclear weapons entirely.
05:55General Ali Shandani, Iran's military chief appointed barely five days ago, has been killed.
06:03Israel says Khamenei will end up as Saddam Hussein.
06:08Two new explosions have been heard in Tehran.
06:12The G7 has issued a statement.
06:15It does call for Iran to de-escalate.
06:17It also talks about the need for Israel to be in a position to defend itself.
06:23So fast-paced developments taking place.
06:26Let me quickly get you this report of what's happening on ground, both in Israel and in Iran.
06:47Iran and Israel continue to pound each other with ferocious firepower in an escalating conflict.
07:01The Israeli air force is continuing to strike Iran's military targets, including its nuclear and missile sites, with deadly precision.
07:18Latest images released by Israel showed strikes on F-14 fighter jets in a Tehran airport, apart from strikes on trucks containing weapons and launchers on the way to Tehran.
07:33Israel also hit a truck carrying surface-to-air launchers on the main route between Tehran and Qom.
07:39Israel dealt another deadly blow to Iran when it claimed it had killed Iran's top military chief, Ali Shadmani, in an overnight strike.
07:50Shadmani is said to be the closest figure to Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.
07:55His predecessor, Hossein Salami, was killed just days ago by Israel in a similar strike.
08:04Tonight, following accurate intelligence received by the intelligence branch, we eliminated Ali Shadmani, the war chief of staff, the most senior military commander of the Iranian regime.
08:16Shadmani only managed to hold the position for four days, and we also eliminated him.
08:21We will pursue our enemies again and again using advanced intelligence capabilities, exploiting opportunities, air superiority and complex operational planning.
08:33Israeli fighter jets also launched a wave of targeted airstrikes deep into Iranian territory, including a shocking strike on Iran's state broadcaster headquarters in Tehran during a live transmission.
08:51The anchor on air was seen scrambling for cover as fire engulfed the studio.
08:57Flames consumed the building and the aftermath was nothing short of catastrophic.
09:01A senior reporter for Iran's IRIB news agency stood outside the burning headquarters with hands stained with blood.
09:17The reporter was heard saying that Israel would not achieve anything by this attack and that they will see worse.
09:25This appalling attack constitute a blatant war crime and a direct assault on press freedom.
09:38The Israeli regime has once again demonstrated that it is the foremost enemy of truth.
09:44It holds the disgraceful record of being the world's leading perpetrator of violence against journalists and media professionals.
09:56Smoke raced from a highway near Saveh in southwest of Iranian capital Tehran.
10:02Large plumes of smoke could be seen in the video as Israeli intensified airstrikes across Iran.
10:08Iran, too, is hitting back with a wave of ballistic missile strikes on Israel.
10:18Massive smoke cloud was seen billowing from a site in central Israel's city following an Iranian missile attack.
10:28Israeli teams are working to extinguish fire at site after Iranian missile attack.
10:33As fighting between Israel and Iran escalates, citizens of both countries have been forced to flee the war zone and take refuge in bomb shelters.
10:48Bureau Report, India Today.
10:50Iran, too, has been in a position to pound several places deep inside Israel, including Tel Aviv and Haifa.
11:03But Israel says, though it's taken out one third of Iran's ballistic missile launch capabilities,
11:10Iran still has a lot of its missiles that can target Israel.
11:15And the wave after wave of missile strikes, they've actually been able to overwhelm not just the Iron Dome, the much-famed Iron Dome,
11:23which, of course, is a close-quarter missile defense shield, but also the Arrow missile defense shield
11:29and the larger David sling system that's been operating all across the region.
11:36It's a multi-tiered system and yet several missiles have succeeded in hitting a cross.
11:41And this is where the role of the U.S. president becomes extremely crucial.
11:45Is America all set to play a much bigger role in the next 24 to 48 hours?
11:51President Trump, he left this place in Canada.
11:54He's back at the Situation Room in Washington, D.C.
11:57U.S. B-2 bombers fleet.
11:59They've moved to Diego Garcia.
12:00And they're the only bombers that have the capability to launch those deep penetration bombs,
12:09those heavy bombs that can hit a target 60 meters or 70 meters below the surface of the earth.
12:15And for though, where Iran still has its nuclear weapons,
12:19will the United States directly now get into this conflict?
12:24Like the B-2 bomber fleet and the three aircraft carrier battle groups in the Indo-Pacific.
12:30What's the signaling?
12:31I get you more in this report.
12:33The missiles and bombs striking Iran and Israel are being felt as far away as Canada.
12:45With the G7 summit being derailed after U.S. president Donald Trump left early.
12:51Donald Trump boarded Air Force One a day earlier than scheduled due to the situation in the Middle East,
12:56emphasizing that he wants a real end to the conflict.
13:00What specifically is better than a ceasefire?
13:04What are you looking for here?
13:07An end.
13:08A real end, not a ceasefire.
13:10An end.
13:10So something that will be permanent?
13:12Yeah.
13:12Or giving up entirely?
13:17While leaving, he dropped a hint, reiterating that Iran should have signed a nuclear deal with the United States
13:23and that Tehran must return to the negotiating table.
13:27Look, Iran should have signed the deal.
13:29If it would help bring Iran to the negotiating table, would you guarantee that the U.S. would not get involved militarily?
13:35Well, I think this.
13:36I think Iran basically is at the negotiating table.
13:38They want to make a deal.
13:40And as soon as I leave here, we're going to be doing something.
13:44He had earlier countered macro claim that he would negotiate a ceasefire, saying something big is coming.
13:51The Israelis are going to slow down or are they going to hit the accelerator right now?
13:55We're going to see you.
13:56We're going to find out over the next few days.
13:58We're going to find out.
14:00In a social media post, he also gave a call asking people to evacuate Tehran, stating that Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon.
14:08Thinking on the call for Tehran to evacuate, is there a threat or is there incoming?
14:14What was the thinking on the full evacuation?
14:16I want people to be safe.
14:18And that's always possible.
14:20A thing like that could happen.
14:22I just want people to be safe.
14:23Asked if U.S. involvement would destroy Iran's nuclear program, he hinted his hope that Israel would take care of it.
14:32Do you think if the U.S. got involved militarily, it would actually wipe out Iran's nuclear program?
14:37Or where is your assessment of that?
14:39I hope their program is going to be wiped out long before then.
14:43Trump also warned Iran against daring to strike American assets.
14:48You great people, they know how to protect themselves.
14:52And when you say better, what?
14:53We'll come down so hard if they do it, I think our people will come down so hard.
14:57And then loves her off so beautifully.
15:00Now, they, I think they know not to touch our troops.
15:07Regardless of how things play out in West Asia, the President of the United States clearly feels he needs to be on home turf.
15:16What do you do in Washington that you wouldn't do in Canada?
15:19Just be a little bit, I think, more well-versed.
15:25Not having to use telephones so much because I don't believe in telephones.
15:29Because people like you listen to them.
15:31Yeah.
15:31So, being on the scene is much better.
15:35With both Iran and Israel refusing to back down, the world now looks to U.S. and Trump's next action.
15:43Will he be able to end the conflict or will he light the match that will set West Asia on fire?
15:49Bureau Report, India Today.
15:51What next?
15:56Is West Asia set to explode in a much bigger way?
16:01Is peace still?
16:03Can it be given an opportunity?
16:05Joining me on this broadcast is Dr. Shuki Friedman.
16:08Dr. Friedman is the Director General of Jewish People Policy Institute.
16:11Joins us from Jerusalem.
16:13Erwin Van Wien is the Program Lead, Middle East and Senior Research Fellow.
16:17Joins us from Brussels.
16:19Daniel Block is Senior Editor, Foreign Affairs Magazine.
16:21Contributing Editor to the Washington Monthly.
16:23Joins us from New York.
16:25Avijit Ayer Mitra, Senior Fellow at the Institute of Peace and Conflict Studies.
16:29Joins me from Delhi.
16:30And with me is my Senior Colleague Sandeep Unnithan.
16:33Welcome, gentlemen.
16:35Dr. Friedman, your appreciation.
16:36Donald Trump says, just right now you have the B-2 bombers that are being prepared.
16:44They're moving to Diego Garcia.
16:45Three aircraft carrier battle groups in the Indo-Pacific.
16:49How do you see these developments?
16:51First of all, it's really hard to assess what will Donald Trump decide.
16:56But we can in practice see what he's doing.
17:00We have to remember that he's Commander-in-Chief.
17:02He's the commander of the army of the U.S.
17:05And therefore, he personally, I assume, confirmed or at least ordered these vessels and planes
17:13to go forward to be ready to attack in Iran, around the Middle East and around Iran.
17:20So that part of this fighter is going to aminify the air base, others to Qatar, and there are
17:28Gohan's place.
17:30So we understand, if you are analyzing situations, that he's ready to take the decision.
17:38And if he takes the decision, he's ready to attack.
17:41The U.S. army is getting ready to join to the attacks against Iran.
17:45Iran, we have to realize, and we just went out from the shelter now, 10 minutes ago, that
17:52in the recent 24 hours, the Iranians are shooting smaller and smaller missiles attacks on Israel.
18:00It started with 40 and 50 missiles each time, and now it's 10 or even less.
18:06And that means that their capabilities are in decline, and Trump is actually looking close
18:14to figure out what the risk would be for his forces around the Middle East.
18:18And as he realized that the risk from the capability of the Iranians to attack the bases around the
18:26Middle East is in decline and actually shrinking by the Israeli attacks, he is willing to join
18:31and to jump in and to actually finish the walk.
18:36Daniel Block, is that your appreciation, even in New York?
18:41Is America likely to directly join this conflict, more than just defend Israel from incoming missiles?
18:49Are they likely to launch missiles and perhaps at Fordow nuclear facility?
18:55I think the honest answer is we just don't know.
19:00I mean, I don't even know if the president himself knows.
19:04He's sent so many contradictory signals.
19:08On the one hand, he'll tweet out that Iran can't have a nuclear weapon in all caps, and
19:14he'll tell everybody to evacuate Tehran.
19:18And then the next day, he'll say, I want to make a deal.
19:21I think Iran is willing to come to the table.
19:23I want this war to be over.
19:24So there's just so much mixed messaging and mixed signals that we really have no idea right
19:30now.
19:30Now, it's true that the United States has positioned multiple military assets closer
19:35to the conflict, including some that would certainly help carry out a bombing campaign.
19:40But that doesn't mean a bombing campaign is going to happen.
19:43It does suggest that Trump wants to give himself the opportunity to do that.
19:48But I think it's worth dwelling on the domestic politics for Trump, which are very tricky here.
19:53His coalition is really divided.
19:54So the Democratic Party seems pretty uniformly opposed to the idea of bombing Iran.
20:00The Republican Party is split between factions.
20:03You have a kind of hawkish, old Republican, George W. Bush-style Republican, neoconservatives,
20:08neocons, as we call them here, that are quite supportive and enthusiastic about the idea of
20:13the United States joining the offensive side of this war.
20:17But then a lot of Trump Republicans, the kind of Make America Great Again movement,
20:21are opposed to this.
20:22These are isolationists.
20:24They are publicly and outwardly lobbying Trump.
20:27And somebody's begging him not to get directly involved.
20:29So there's a lot of competing pressures on the president, not only internationally,
20:34but also domestically here in the States.
20:36But is the situation, as Donald Trump indicated, next 24 to 48 hours, will we know what's happening?
20:48Erwin Vanveen, how do you view the developments?
20:51Donald Trump leaving G7 here in Canada, watching the situation in the Situation Room in the White House,
20:58is America likely to join this battle?
21:00And would that be reckless or will that bring an early close to this war?
21:06Yeah, thank you.
21:07Well, I mean, we may start by calling the Israeli attack in itself a fairly reckless move, I think,
21:16if we appreciate the fact that the nuclear talks were still going on.
21:20And Iran had clearly indicated a willingness to stay at the table.
21:26Moreover, there was a nuclear deal in 2015 that the U.S. quit, not Iran, of course.
21:34So the key issue has clearly been the ability or the permission for Iran to enrich uranium on its own soil, right?
21:45So this has been the big sticking points of the talks.
21:48And I think the Americans, they see the current wave of Israeli attacks as a way to create tactical leverage
21:55to force Iran back to the table and to essentially capitulate on this particular point.
22:00The problem here is that Iran has always been very adamant on its right to enrich uranium back home,
22:09also under the Non-Proliferation Treaty.
22:11And it is very difficult to see the Iranian regime backing down on this point.
22:17And we should also keep in mind that although Israel has created the conditions
22:22in which the U.S. can basically conduct a B-2 bomber run on Fardal, right,
22:28and try to annihilate the facility,
22:31that Iran has some big response options left
22:34that include closing the Persian Gulf,
22:37that include hitting some pretty vulnerable U.S. bases in the region.
22:42And we should also keep in mind that Hezbollah is down but not out.
22:45So it would be a highly risky move, I think, for the Americans to make.
22:52And regardless of what they do,
22:54it will certainly be a big stimulus for the Iranians to run for the bomb, basically,
22:59because they are under attack in a way that was not provoked.
23:04And they will be wanting to secure the survival of their regime.
23:07And so I think we're at a very dangerous point
23:11where whatever the Americans decide to do,
23:15none of the outcomes look particularly good to me.
23:22Okay, but is I, you know, Abhijit,
23:25would the Americans be in a position to bring about a quick end?
23:29Did anyone really expect Iran to go down in the manner in which it did?
23:36It hasn't folded completely.
23:38But one thought that Iran would be able to fight longer and better?
23:43Or is it still saving its ammunition for a rainy day?
23:46Some of our analysts you heard, Dr. Friedman,
23:49seem to indicate that initially they were firing longer-range missiles,
23:52bigger volleys of missiles.
23:54Some, of course, continue to hit Tel Aviv and Haifa.
23:57But the frequency going down, the intensity going down,
24:00or do they have more in store?
24:02You know, from what we can tell,
24:04almost half their launchers have been destroyed, Gaurav.
24:07So, you know, if you don't have the launchers
24:10to actually move the missiles,
24:12how exactly are you going to go around firing it?
24:15When most of your leadership is constantly getting killed
24:19on an hourly, if not daily basis,
24:21who's going to direct and decide what to hit
24:24and things like that?
24:25You know, they've had two chiefs of army staff
24:27literally within four days getting killed.
24:29So, the attrition is horrendous on the Iranian side.
24:34Honestly, I don't think any of us expected to see Iran go down this fast.
24:39I mean, you know, when Israel struck Mashhad,
24:43which is on the Turkmen-Afghan border almost,
24:46they used three non-stealth F-16s with three external fuel tanks,
24:50which is as big a signature, radar signature,
24:52as you can possibly imagine.
24:54So, you know, they're operating in an environment of complete impunity.
24:58Now, that said, the problem comes about because of Fordau
25:02and the extraction of materials.
25:04Fordau, for example, the main,
25:05the problematic facility is about,
25:08depending on who you talk to,
25:09200 to 300 feet buried under the ground.
25:13And that would really require an American GBU-57 strike.
25:17Now, the problem with that bomb is it's about 13 tons.
25:1913 tons is way too heavy,
25:21even for Israel's heaviest fighter, the F-15, to carry.
25:25Certainly not on one, you know, hard point.
25:28That's probably going to need the Americans to go in.
25:30The second issue is, you know,
25:32bombing these facilities isn't enough.
25:34If you want to defang Iran,
25:36you actually have to extract the fissile material from those things,
25:40which is going to require some kind of ground operation.
25:43Now, the question is, what will America do?
25:45So, you know, the, a few of the previous speakers,
25:50the opposition to the Americans out there,
25:56the internal opposition comes from the fact that,
25:59you know, Trump promised no regime change, etc.
26:03Which doesn't mean you can't do it quietly, stealthily.
26:06I mean, really, it's called a stealth bomber.
26:08You know, it can go bomb Fordau without ever being detected.
26:12You can provide air support to Israeli ground troops
26:14going there, occupying, say, Fordau or Natanz for a month or so
26:18to essentially dig down and extract the material.
26:21Because remember, if you do not,
26:23they will get to that material and that can be.
26:25It is already at 60% enrichment,
26:27which is way over any required civilian reactor and things like that.
26:32I think the real balance out here
26:34is between defanging Iran and regime-changing Iran.
26:37And the problem usually is that, you know,
26:39when you're so far ahead of yourself,
26:40when you've achieved your war goals way beyond your wildest dreams,
26:45there tends to be operational drift.
26:47You start, you know, shifting your war goals
26:50and that's a very dangerous place to go down.
26:52Okay, but have they achieved their war games just as yet
26:59or they're still in the process?
27:01I want to bring in Sandeep Unnithan.
27:03Sandeep, the B-2 bombers are the only aircraft
27:05that can carry the GBU-57s
27:07to take out Fordau, you know,
27:1190 meters of air that enriched material is.
27:14It would require not just an air operation
27:16but also a ground operation.
27:18Are there indications this is what is happening right now
27:21or could happen is likely on the cards
27:23in the next 24 to 48 hours?
27:25Well, Gaurav, we really don't know what Donald Trump meant
27:29when he said something big was going to come.
27:31So, we can only guess by looking at the movement of,
27:35you know, U.S. fighter jets,
27:38the tankers and carrier battle groups.
27:41Now, you mentioned there's one carrier battle group
27:43already in the Arabian Sea,
27:45that's the Carl Vinson group
27:46and there are two more that are heading there.
27:48One of them is the Nimitz carrier strike group.
27:50So, that's going to be a lot of firepower
27:53that's there in the Arabian Sea
27:54plus all the tankers and the B-2 bombers
27:57that are already there in Diego Garcia.
27:59Six were moved there in April
28:00and a few more are believed to have flown in.
28:03So, you're looking at something like
28:04a hammer and anvil kind of operation
28:06where the Israeli hammers are, you know,
28:08pounding Iran relentlessly over the last,
28:12you know, five days.
28:13And in the south, you have the United States
28:16moving into Prince Sultan Air Base in Saudi Arabia,
28:19moving their carrier strike groups
28:20into the Arabian Sea.
28:22And of course, you have Diego Garcia
28:23right down there, 4,000 kilometers away from Iran
28:26with those GBU-57s that we believe
28:30is the only weapon that could knock out
28:32the Iranian enrichment facilities in Fordao.
28:36Now, it's a very interesting situation, Gaurav.
28:38Now, we don't know what the Americans
28:40really plan to do with that kind of force levels.
28:43Are they trying to prevent any fallout
28:46of an, you know, Iranian attack
28:48on American bases in West Asia?
28:50There are something like 50,000 American personnel there,
28:53multiple air and sea bases in West Asia.
28:58There are something like nine big air bases there,
29:01nine American bases there.
29:02So, this is a red line that Iran could cross possibly
29:06if it has been, you know, pushed to the wall.
29:08And Gaurav, Iran is practically on its own.
29:11There are only three players in the military operations
29:13in West Asia right now.
29:15One is Israel, which has relentlessly been pounding Iran
29:18over the last five days.
29:20Israeli jets are flying unmolested from, you know,
29:24Israel all the way up to Iran.
29:26It's almost the distance between Mumbai and Delhi,
29:29to give an idea to our viewers.
29:31They're flying one-way missions that are so long.
29:33I mean, 3,000 kilometers up and down
29:35is what they're flying without any, you know,
29:38threat of ground-based air defenses,
29:40which they've, of course, neutralized
29:42on the first day itself.
29:43And then you have, you know, Iran,
29:45as one of our panelists mentioned,
29:47their salvos are reducing over the last couple of days.
29:50They don't have the number of launchers.
29:52They don't have enough ballistic missiles.
29:54Their command and control has been completely disrupted.
29:57So Iran weakening as the days pass,
30:00they are by themselves.
30:01They're fighting by themselves.
30:03Israel is, of course, there,
30:04but Israel has the support of the United States.
30:06Which brings us to the big question.
30:08So it's three countries in this equation.
30:09Which then brings us to the big question,
30:10Irwin Van Veen.
30:12Yes.
30:13You know, that big question right now is,
30:16will Israel then directly go after Ayatollah Ali Khamenei?
30:20You know, when I put that question to Israel's ambassador
30:22to India, Ruvin Assar,
30:24he said they're only going after military leadership
30:26and the IRCG, Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps,
30:31not going after political leadership.
30:33But could that be endgame, a regime change in Israel, in Iran?
30:37Israelis have already gone after people like Ali Khamenei,
30:44who was in the National Security Council and at this moment a civilian.
30:48They also went after a number of nuclear scientists.
30:52The state TV station was bombed.
30:54So it's not just military leaders, I think,
30:57that have been targeted so far.
30:58And that points to a bigger issue, I think,
31:01like one of the other people on the panel said,
31:03that this is basically the decapitation strategy
31:06that Israel also followed against Hezbollah, right?
31:09So to eliminate the civilian and military leadership
31:12together with the main military assets
31:14and then to have a free game, basically,
31:18which is the situation that they have more or less established at the moment.
31:21So the hope is, of course,
31:24that there will be some sort of domestic opposition rising up from all the chaos.
31:29And the problem with that is, of course,
31:31that the opposition in Iran is weak and very fragmented,
31:35like you might expect in an authoritarian regime
31:38that has had no compunction to repress its population
31:42to the extent necessary to stay in power.
31:46So frankly speaking, for the moment, there is no alternative.
31:50Iran has a modern bureaucracy, a modern army
31:53with a clear line of succession and a huge talent pool.
31:57So I think that the strategy of decapitation
31:59is a little different in its impact
32:02than compared to groups like Hamas or Hezbollah,
32:05who have much smaller cadres.
32:08But it's true that Iran allowed itself to be surprised
32:12and Israeli intelligence has been top-notch.
32:14So we will have to wait and see how that pans out exactly.
32:17What's the endgame, Dr. Friedman, that Israel has in mind?
32:25A regime change, taking out nuclear capabilities entirely?
32:30And in your appreciation, will Fordow then be the next target?
32:35Because Ishfahan and Natanz have been targeted many times.
32:40So is Fordow the only place left to be targeted
32:42and ensure a regime change?
32:45First of all, we have to be aware that the Israeli Air Force
32:50achieved a complete freedom of action above all Iran.
32:54So by the time, getting all the targets
32:58and working constantly and indeterminately
33:02to achieve the targets of eliminating the micelle capabilities,
33:09the micelle launching capabilities,
33:11and the nuclear weapon program we started in Natanz,
33:15to continue in other locations.
33:18And the next would be Fordow.
33:20Hopefully, in my perspective, the American will join,
33:23but even if the American would not join to this effort,
33:27the Israeli have the capability,
33:29and when there is no disruption from anti-L-activities
33:34from the Iranian side,
33:36to just what we call drilling in Fordow,
33:39so we don't have the 30,000-tons bombs.
33:43We have the smaller one,
33:44but if you constantly hit the same place by smaller bombs,
33:49you can at least have some achievements
33:52in destroying this facility as well.
33:55So basically, this might be achievable.
33:58And furthermore, I don't think that the target
34:01is now eliminating the regime,
34:04but it might be a consequence
34:06to what we are doing to its leadership
34:09and to symbols of the regime in Tehran.
34:12Daniel Bloch, given the way you've had various statements
34:20coming from Donald Trump,
34:21as you pointed out, some of them are contradictory,
34:24there is an email or a message
34:27from the Israeli-American ambassador to Israel
34:30to Donald Trump that's going viral on social media.
34:33You know, messages like this,
34:35are they likely to impact whatever decision
34:38Donald Trump takes?
34:39Because if he sees himself as someone
34:41who survived that assassination attempt
34:44for a bigger goal in mind,
34:46that there's a bigger aim in his life,
34:48is this what that could be
34:50as many in America are speculating?
34:54Well, first I just want to respond to something
34:57another one of the panelists said earlier
34:59about the stealth bombing capabilities of the United States.
35:03I just want to be clear,
35:03if the United States begins a major bombing campaign
35:06against Iran, even a bombing campaign to just take out
35:09its deeply buried nuclear sites,
35:12that will be news.
35:13It will not be kept a secret.
35:15The United States may try and deny it,
35:17but because it's the only country
35:18with the capability to do that,
35:20it is something that Americans will know about.
35:23They will know that Washington has done that.
35:25Now, whether that actually constrains Trump,
35:27maybe not.
35:29In fact, I'm personally skeptical
35:30that that fact would,
35:32and it's absolutely true,
35:33the political blowback
35:34would be a lot less significant
35:36than if there is a major regime change operation
35:39that the United States undertakes.
35:41That is a very meaningful
35:42and significant difference.
35:44Now, whether the United States
35:46and Trump specifically is listening to Israel,
35:48it's hard to say.
35:49I mean, the mixed messaging
35:50gets caught up in this as well.
35:52To what extent is he being played by Netanyahu,
35:55being rolled by Netanyahu,
35:57just simply going along with what Netanyahu says?
35:59It's really hard to tease out the signal from the noise.
36:04I think what is important to keep in mind
36:06in terms of conversations about regime change
36:09versus just a bombing campaign
36:11is that if the goal is to get rid
36:12of Iran's nuclear program,
36:15you wind up on a slippery slope path pretty quickly
36:17because there's really only a couple of options.
36:20If there's not a nuclear deal,
36:22if the two sides can't come to an agreement,
36:24even if the United States takes out
36:26Iran's deeply buried nuclear facilities,
36:29most estimates suggest
36:31that that would set back the nuclear program
36:33by a few years at absolute best,
36:36in which case you wind up in a situation
36:38where if you want to get rid
36:39of Iran's nuclear program for good,
36:41you really only have a few options.
36:43One is to continuously bomb
36:45its nuclear facilities every few years
36:48in a quote-unquote
36:49mowing the lawn type of situation,
36:51which you may not even be able to do.
36:53They may harden them further
36:54and that may become impossible.
36:55Or you strike a nuclear deal
36:57or you attempt a regime change operation.
37:01So all of these options involve,
37:04shall we say, pretty intensive efforts
37:06by the United States one way or another,
37:09with the diplomatic ones still being,
37:10I think, the most feasible option
37:12if you can still have some kind of agreement.
37:15But it's certainly true based on what Israel's saying,
37:17that they're trying to drag the United States
37:19into this conflict.
37:20They're trying to get the United States
37:22to join its bombing raid.
37:23I think that's been the plan
37:24since they've started
37:25because they know they can't get rid
37:27of the nuclear program themselves.
37:33Which is true
37:34because all their efforts so far,
37:36Dr. Friedman,
37:36and let me bring in Abhijit Ayer Mitra first
37:38and then you can respond to him, Dr. Friedman.
37:41Abhijit, all their best efforts,
37:44they've succeeded so far
37:45and spectacularly by some accounts
37:47when it comes to Ishfahan and Natanz.
37:50But for Fordow,
37:51they will require the American support
37:54to tunnel in 60 meters deep
37:58or 90 meters deep,
37:59as some argue.
38:00Or is there merit in Dr. Friedman saying
38:04repeated bombings,
38:06bombing raids,
38:07now that they have complete air supremacy
38:08or superiority,
38:09even if it doesn't take one bomb,
38:11they could do it again and again
38:13and again and again
38:14and achieve the same aim.
38:15Sorry, can you hear me now?
38:25Okay, you're on mute, Abhijit.
38:27Unmute yourself.
38:27Can you hear me now?
38:29Yeah, strength five.
38:29Go on, sir.
38:30So, you know, the thing is,
38:32you can absolutely do
38:33a mowing the lawn kind of action.
38:38There are two possibilities out here.
38:40One is, you know,
38:43Israel, for example,
38:44has been at war for the last,
38:46what, two, three years now
38:47since the October 7th attack.
38:49And you don't see any sign of attrition
38:52or exhaustion of the Israelis.
38:54If anything,
38:54they've grown much stronger.
38:55The kind of capability surprise
38:57we've seen in the attack on Iran
38:59is truly mind-boggling.
39:01If anything,
39:02you would pretty much say
39:04that Israel has grown stronger.
39:06On the other hand,
39:07what we've seen with Iran
39:08is not just even a long-term
39:11decline of capability.
39:13You know, last year from,
39:14I think, was it October or November last year
39:16when they launched
39:17a few hundred ballistic missiles at Israel
39:19to now,
39:21every day you're seeing
39:22the reduction of capability.
39:24So maybe Iran is attrited
39:26to the point where recovery
39:28would be very, very long,
39:29very, very painful
39:30and a mowing operation would be easier.
39:33I don't know.
39:34Maybe it'll be tougher.
39:35Really depends.
39:36The second problem here is,
39:39you know,
39:39I don't think Iran has still understood
39:41what a big blunder 7th of October was.
39:44There was no need for Hezbollah
39:45to get involved in that.
39:47Hezbollah chose to get involved in it.
39:50Hezbollah virtually got decapitated in that.
39:53Because of Hezbollah decapitating,
39:54the Syrian government effectively fell.
39:57We have several,
39:58you know,
39:59statements by the Syrian opposition
40:01saying the only reason
40:02they were able to defeat Assad
40:03was because of the Hezbollah's,
40:05the, you know,
40:06dramatic collapse of Hezbollah
40:08in that sense.
40:09So when you start using your proxies,
40:11the ring of fire it created
40:12to fight the far enemy,
40:14collapsing so rapidly like dominoes,
40:17you don't really have.
40:18That kind of capability
40:19takes up a long, long time to build.
40:22The third issue has been,
40:23you know,
40:23for a very long time,
40:25Iran has two militaries,
40:27effectively the military-military
40:28and then the IRGC military,
40:30which was kind of a sort of,
40:32I mean,
40:32look,
40:33no analogy is perfect,
40:34but think of it almost
40:35as a coup-proofing attempt.
40:39And the problem was
40:40the more and more
40:41sub-conventional actions
40:43became important
40:44in Iran's military set,
40:47more importance was paid
40:49to the IRGC part of the military
40:52than the proper military-military.
40:53And you've seen what happens
40:55with two parallel militaries
40:56running the country.
40:58Finally,
40:58fourth,
40:58you know,
40:59somebody brought up diplomacy.
41:01Tell me, Gaurav,
41:02where has diplomacy worked
41:03in this situation?
41:04You know,
41:05the JCPOA was a good deal,
41:06but the problem was
41:07it only delayed the inevitable
41:10by about 15, 20 years.
41:12It wasn't a defanging.
41:14True,
41:15Trump shouldn't have probably
41:16canceled the JCPOA,
41:17JCPOA,
41:19sorry,
41:19such a tongue twister
41:20for what it was worth.
41:22But,
41:22you know,
41:24we can't relive history.
41:25What happened,
41:26happened.
41:27The problem is
41:28the Iranians were playing tough.
41:29Now they're offering,
41:30you know,
41:31flexibility
41:31just to stop the bombing.
41:33I don't think
41:34the Israelis are looking
41:34for flexibility
41:35to stop the bombing.
41:36They're looking for defanging
41:38to stop the bombing.
41:39So,
41:39I don't see
41:41a diplomatic window
41:44out here
41:45as of now.
41:48So,
41:48let me ask,
41:49let me put that question
41:50to Erwin Van Wien,
41:51whether Israel
41:53would be in a position
41:54or Israel
41:55and America
41:56together
41:56will be in a position
41:57to completely
41:58defang,
41:59if I may,
42:00you know,
42:01use the words
42:02that you did,
42:03Abhijit,
42:03completely defang Iran
42:05because Iran
42:06insists it wants
42:07capabilities
42:08to be able to
42:09enrich uranium
42:09for civilian use
42:10in their own country
42:11and not overseas
42:12and bring it over.
42:13So,
42:13will Iran
42:14relent on that point,
42:16sir?
42:16Well,
42:20the defanging point,
42:21i.e.
42:22the complete destruction
42:23of Iran's nuclear program
42:25is very difficult
42:26to answer,
42:28I think.
42:28That's because
42:29Iran is a big country.
42:31The nuclear knowledge
42:32is widely disseminated.
42:34There may be
42:35production facilities
42:36that we don't
42:38even know of.
42:39They were talking
42:40just a few weeks ago
42:42about opening
42:42another
42:43hardened facility
42:44even deeper underground.
42:47So,
42:47there are all sorts
42:48of scenarios
42:48to consider here
42:50and I think
42:50the general opinion
42:51among much
42:52of the expert community
42:53used to be that,
42:55you know,
42:56even if the Israeli-U.S.
42:57campaign
42:58would be
42:58tremendously successful,
43:00then the regime
43:01could still,
43:02you know,
43:03nuclearize
43:04or weaponize
43:05its nuclear capability
43:06only a few years
43:08from now.
43:08So,
43:09that brings us back
43:09to some of the other
43:10suggestions
43:11that have been made,
43:12right?
43:12What are you going to do
43:13in the long term?
43:15Even if you take out
43:16the nuclear program today
43:17and take into account
43:19the fact that
43:20the credibility
43:21of the U.S.
43:22as a negotiator
43:23has been shredded,
43:25of course,
43:25on the global stage
43:26because it was talking
43:27to Iran
43:28and at the same time
43:29it greenlighted
43:30the preparations
43:31for this attack
43:32which have unfolded
43:33in parallel, right?
43:34You don't prepare
43:35plans like this
43:36on a Friday afternoon.
43:38So,
43:39it's very unlikely
43:40that the Iranian regime
43:41will want to go back
43:42to the negotiating table
43:44and they will only do that
43:46if they feel
43:46their very survival
43:48is at stake
43:48but I think
43:49we are pretty far
43:50from that point
43:51and we should bear in mind
43:53that the absorption
43:54capability of Iran
43:55is significantly higher
43:58than that of both Israel
43:59and the U.S.
44:00for the simple fact
44:01that the regime
44:02cares a lot less
44:03about its citizens.
44:04So,
44:05there is a lot
44:06of unexpected ways
44:08in which this
44:09could still turn
44:10before we talk
44:11about things
44:12like regime change
44:13in the context
44:14of the experience
44:15of places
44:15like Iraq
44:16and Afghanistan
44:17for example
44:17where that has not worked.
44:19very clearly
44:26or the new regime
44:27in Syria
44:27regime change
44:29operations
44:29often lead
44:31to a situation
44:31Dr. Friedman
44:32when the new regime
44:33is worse
44:34than what existed
44:35so is regime change
44:38you know
44:38getting rid
44:39of Ayatollah Ali Khamenei
44:40ultimately
44:41what Israel
44:43has in mind
44:44and if so
44:45is there a plan B
44:46who replaces
44:47this Ayatollah's regime?
44:58First of all
44:59it's
44:59Dr. Friedman
45:00again you're on mute sir.
45:02Yeah
45:02it's important
45:04to realize
45:04that the history
45:05of Israel
45:07and also
45:08the U.S.
45:09and other countries
45:10teach us
45:10that it's very hard
45:12to get
45:14the regime change
45:15as you plan
45:16it
45:16we've
45:18went through it
45:19in Lebanon
45:19and other places
45:21as well
45:21and our experience
45:23is that you
45:24hardly can
45:25have a real influence
45:27on what the people
45:27will choose
45:28Iranians are smart people
45:29they have long tradition
45:31and experience
45:32with different regimes
45:33and then
45:34it's really hard
45:35to assess
45:35what would be
45:37the fallback
45:37what would be
45:38the other regime
45:39that will raise
45:39after this one
45:40and I don't think
45:42Israel will have
45:42any ambition
45:43to have an influence
45:44on the next regime
45:45but
45:46and this is
45:47the important thing
45:47this regime
45:49is
45:50I don't think
45:52there is
45:53many other
45:54wealth regimes
45:55in the world
45:56in the manner
45:57of keeping
45:58human rights
45:59and
46:00and
46:00interrogating
46:01its population
46:02and have a negative
46:03influence
46:04on the region
46:05and on the world
46:06you have to remember
46:07that this regime
46:08have a messianic
46:09ambitions
46:10to export
46:11the revolution
46:12and to have an influence
46:13on the Middle East
46:14and we have to remember
46:15that in Yemen
46:16in Iraq
46:17and in Syria
46:18and Lebanon
46:19this regime
46:20actually
46:21builds
46:21proxies
46:23and develops
46:24the capabilities
46:25of the proxies
46:25not just
46:26against Israel
46:27but also
46:27against the locals
46:29and we have seen
46:30tremendous
46:31disasters
46:32in Yemen
46:33and in Iraq
46:34and in Syria
46:35that's been
46:36actually
46:37motivated
46:40by the
46:41Iranian regime
46:42and
46:43we've seen
46:44other locations
46:45around the world
46:46in Africa
46:47where the Iranians
46:48are trying to have
46:48a negative influence
46:49so I don't see
46:51a worse regime
46:53than this one
46:54What happens
46:54what happens
46:55in the next
46:5624 to 48 hours
46:57remains extremely
46:59crucial
47:00and very critical
47:00I want to thank
47:01all my guests
47:02for joining me
47:02on this special broadcast
47:04will America
47:05directly join
47:06that bombing raid
47:07on places
47:08like Fordow
47:09to take out
47:10Iran's nuclear
47:11capabilities
47:12in its entirety
47:13and is that
47:14even doable
47:15we debate that
47:16but there's one
47:17picture that's going
47:18absolutely viral
47:19there's a video
47:20that was taken
47:21on board
47:22a flight from
47:23Dubai
47:23where an Iranian
47:25missile is seen
47:26targeting
47:27Israel
47:28now my colleague
47:29Sandeep Unnithan
47:30explains
47:31why some of this
47:32is extremely
47:33extremely
47:34dangerous
47:34take a look
47:35the Israel-Iran war
47:39is one of the
47:40most bizarre
47:41conflicts
47:42of all time
47:45possibly
47:45you have
47:46two countries
47:48that are
47:51over
47:541,000 kilometers
47:55away
47:56which are at
47:59war
47:59that's Iran
48:01Iraq
48:03Iraq
48:04Syria
48:05and Israel
48:09and right down
48:11here you have
48:12the Houthis
48:13in Yemen
48:13who are firing
48:16ballistic missiles
48:16at Israel
48:17they are Iranian
48:19proxies
48:19and of course
48:20Iran has been
48:21firing several
48:23ballistic missiles
48:24at Israel
48:25Israel has been
48:26striking at Iran
48:27with fighter jets
48:29but Iran's
48:31primary weapon
48:31is the ballistic
48:32missile
48:33and what we have
48:33seen in the last
48:34couple of days
48:35is several
48:36passenger airliners
48:38that appear to be
48:39at risk
48:40because ballistic
48:40missiles have been
48:41fired near them
48:42now there have been
48:43two such
48:44recent instances
48:45one over Israel
48:47where a ballistic
48:48missile was fired
48:49near a passenger
48:51airliner
48:52Israeli authorities
48:54said that
48:55they had
48:55protected that
48:56civilian airliner
48:57by shooting down
48:58those
48:59that ballistic
49:00missile
49:01and there was
49:01another instance
49:02where passengers
49:04flying over
49:05somewhere here
49:06near the Persian Gulf
49:07picked up
49:08Iranian ballistic
49:10missiles
49:10going over
49:12Iran
49:14towards Israel
49:16so how safe
49:16are passenger
49:17airliners
49:18when ballistic
49:20missiles
49:20are being
49:21fired
49:21you know
49:22you had
49:2311 years
49:24back
49:24that very
49:25tragic
49:26case
49:26of
49:27MH-17
49:29which is a
49:30Malaysian airliner
49:30which was
49:31shot down
49:32by a
49:33Ukrainian
49:33missile
49:35that was
49:37that killed
49:38nearly
49:39298
49:41passengers
49:42it's a very
49:43sad
49:43story
49:45where
49:46this
49:46MH-17
49:47was flying
49:48over
49:49Ukraine
49:50when
49:50a surface
49:52to air
49:52missile
49:52was launched
49:53and that
49:54airliner
49:54was shot
49:55down
49:55so are
49:55airliners
49:56here
49:57in this
49:58particular
49:58region
49:59of West
50:00Asia
50:00in this
50:00Israel-Iran
50:01conflict
50:02are they
50:02at risk
50:03well not
50:04quite
50:04because
50:05if you
50:06understand
50:06the kind
50:07of missiles
50:07that are
50:08being used
50:08by Iran
50:09to target
50:10Israel
50:11or by
50:12the Houthis
50:13to target
50:13Israel
50:13it's a very
50:14different
50:15kind of a
50:15missile
50:16from the
50:17one that
50:17was fired
50:18at MH-17
50:19in 2014
50:20now
50:21MH-17
50:22a passenger
50:23airliner
50:23was shot
50:25down by
50:26a surface
50:26to air
50:27missile
50:27now a
50:28surface
50:28to air
50:29missile
50:29is a
50:30missile
50:30which has
50:31an active
50:33seeker
50:33it has
50:34an explosive
50:35payload
50:35and it's
50:36only designed
50:37to target
50:38aircraft
50:39by exploding
50:41close to
50:41them
50:41when they
50:42fly
50:42close to
50:43this aircraft
50:44they explode
50:44near the
50:45aircraft
50:45they destroy
50:46the aircraft
50:46but what
50:47ballistic
50:48missiles
50:48essentially
50:49are
50:50they are
50:51weapons
50:52that fly
50:53out of
50:54the ground
50:55and in
50:55most cases
50:56exit the
50:57atmosphere
50:57and then
50:58re-enter
50:59and drop
51:00onto their
51:00target
51:01so for
51:03instance
51:03if you
51:04have
51:04a civilian
51:06airliner
51:07that was
51:07passing in
51:08the vicinity
51:08of a
51:09ballistic
51:10missile
51:10the chances
51:13of it
51:13being hit
51:14by a
51:14ballistic
51:14missile
51:15are
51:15extremely
51:16rare
51:17are
51:17very
51:18very
51:18it's
51:19almost
51:19impossible
51:20for a
51:21ballistic
51:21missile
51:21to target
51:22an aircraft
51:23because the
51:24primary target
51:25of a
51:25ballistic
51:25missile
51:26is not
51:26the
51:27aircraft
51:27it is
51:28arcing
51:28towards
51:29its target
51:30which is
51:30usually
51:31on the
51:31ground
51:31it's a
51:32ground
51:32based
51:32target
51:33it's
51:33being
51:33launched
51:34it's
51:34a ground
51:34to ground
51:35missile
51:35and
51:36typically
51:37an airliner
51:38would be
51:38flying at
51:39a speed
51:39of
51:40over
51:41700
51:42kmh
51:42that's
51:43about
51:430.7
51:44mack
51:45it's
51:46quite
51:46fast
51:47the chances
51:49are that
51:49you would
51:49possibly
51:50see
51:50these
51:51ballistic
51:51missiles
51:52being
51:52fired
51:53you
51:53could
51:53see
51:53the
51:54trajectory
51:54of
51:54these
51:54missiles
51:55from
51:55your
51:55window
51:56if
51:57you're
51:57lucky
51:58but
51:58it's
51:59almost
52:00it's
52:00never
52:00happened
52:00in the
52:01history
52:01of
52:01conflict
52:01that
52:02a
52:02missile
52:03a
52:03ballistic
52:04missile
52:04has
52:04brought
52:05down
52:05a
52:06passenger
52:06airliner
52:07of
52:07course
52:08you
52:08have
52:09surface
52:11to air
52:11missiles
52:11doing
52:12that
52:12in
52:13conflict
52:14areas
52:14this
52:15is
52:15not
52:15to
52:16say
52:16that
52:16passenger
52:17airliners
52:18are
52:18completely
52:19safe
52:19in
52:20war
52:20zones
52:20they're
52:21not
52:21that's
52:22one
52:22of
52:22the
52:22reasons
52:23that
52:23Iran
52:23has
52:24closed
52:24its
52:24airspace
52:25now
52:25there
52:25are
52:25no
52:25aircraft
52:26flying
52:26over
52:26there
52:26that's
52:27because
52:27they
52:27want
52:28to
52:28make
52:28sure
52:28that
52:28they
52:29target
52:29only
52:30military
52:30aircraft
52:31the
52:31Israeli
52:31military
52:32aircraft
52:32that
52:32are
52:32coming
52:32in
52:33but
52:33for
52:34the
52:34airliners
52:35that
52:35are
52:35flying
52:36around
52:36of
52:36this
52:37place
52:37where
52:37the
52:38airspace
52:38has
52:38been
52:39shut
52:39they
52:41only
52:41are
52:42in
52:42danger
52:42if
52:43the
52:43weapon
52:44that's
52:44fired
52:44at
52:45them
52:45is
52:45a
52:46surface
52:46to
52:46air
52:46missile
52:47and
52:48not
52:48a
52:49ballistic
52:49missile
52:49so
52:50ballistic
52:50missiles
52:50generally
52:51leave
52:51aircraft
52:51alone
52:53because
52:54they
52:54have
52:55a
52:55target
52:55to
52:56hit
52:56on
52:56the
52:56ground
52:56and
52:56they
52:57can't
52:57do
52:57anything
52:57to
52:58passenger
52:59airliners
52:59that
52:59are
52:59flying
53:00they
53:00don't
53:00have
53:01the
53:01ability
53:01to
53:02explode
53:02in
53:03the
53:03proximity
53:03of
53:04a
53:04passenger
53:05airliner
53:05their
53:06targets
53:06are
53:06on
53:06the
53:06ground
53:07whereas
53:07it's
53:07very
53:08different
53:08if
53:09for
53:09instance
53:09a
53:10surface
53:10to
53:10air
53:11missile
53:11or
53:12a
53:12SAM
53:12was
53:13fired
53:13against
53:13a
53:14passenger
53:15airliner
53:15but
53:15that's
53:16not
53:16to
53:16suggest
53:17that
53:17passenger
53:18airliners
53:19should
53:19be
53:19flying
53:20anywhere
53:20near
53:21conflict
53:21zones
53:21and
53:22this
53:22is
53:22what
53:22happens
53:23the
53:23minute
53:23there's
53:23a
53:24conflict
53:24zone
53:24that's
53:24declared
53:25you
53:25have
53:26civilian
53:26airliners
53:27all
53:27of
53:28them
53:28clearing
53:28staying
53:29wide
53:29away
53:31from
53:31all
53:31of
53:31these
53:32conflicts
53:32they
53:33don't
53:33want
53:33to
53:33make
53:34the
53:34mistake
53:34that
53:35was
53:35made
53:35many
53:36years
53:36back
53:36when
53:37Malaysian
53:38airliner
53:38went
53:38down
53:39killing
53:40almost
53:40300
53:41passengers
53:41and
53:44I
53:44want
53:44to
53:44take
53:44you
53:44to
53:44Washington
53:45DC
53:45Field
53:46Marshal
53:47Aasim
53:47Munir
53:47Pakistan's
53:48army
53:49chief
53:49is
53:50currently
53:50in
53:51the
53:51United
53:51States
53:51of
53:52America
53:52and
53:53just
53:53look
53:53at
53:53the
53:54manner
53:54in
53:54which
53:54he's
53:55being
53:55heckled
53:55he's
53:56been
53:56called
53:57a
53:57coward
53:58he's
53:59been
53:59called
53:59a
53:59mass
54:00murderer
54:00he's
54:01been
54:01called
54:01a
54:02person
54:03who
54:03stolen
54:03democracy
54:04these
54:05are
54:05all
54:05workers
54:06of
54:06Pakistan
54:06they
54:08say
54:08they're
54:08on
54:08public
54:09property
54:09listen
54:10in
54:10to
54:11how
54:11they're
54:11hitting
54:12out
54:12in
54:12a
54:12very
54:13big
54:13way
54:13at
54:14Asim
54:14Munir
54:14I'm
54:15out
54:15shame
54:17on
54:17you
54:17Asim
54:17Munir
54:18shame
54:19on
54:19you
54:20I
54:21have
54:21freedom
54:22of
54:22Asim
54:23needs
54:24shame
54:25on
54:25you
54:25mass
54:26murderer
54:26shame
54:28on
54:28you
54:29shame
54:30on
54:30you
54:30mass
54:30murderer
54:31shame
54:32on
54:32you
54:33shame
54:34on
54:34you
54:34mass
54:35murderer
54:35shame
54:37on
54:37you
54:38shame
54:40on
54:40you
54:40mass
54:40murderer
54:41that's
54:42what
54:42people
54:42of
54:43Pakistani
54:43origin
54:44are
54:44calling
54:45Asim
54:45Munir
54:46in the
54:46United
54:46States
54:47of
54:47America
54:47these
54:48are
54:48all
54:48supporters
54:48of
54:49Imran
54:49Khan
54:50who
54:50remains
54:51in
54:51jail
54:52will
54:53there
54:53be
54:53an
54:53uprising
54:54against
54:54Asim
54:55Munir
54:55well
54:56remains
54:56to be
54:57seen
54:57we'll
54:57be
54:57tracking
54:58that
54:58story
54:58very
54:58closely
54:59but
54:59that
54:59is
54:59all
54:59I
55:00have
55:00for
55:00you
55:00on
55:01this
55:01India
55:01first
55:02special
55:02broadcast
55:03from
55:04Canada
55:04many
55:05thanks
55:05for
55:05watching
55:06news
55:06and
55:06updates
55:07continue
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