00:00I don't think everyone should be talking about governance and anti-corruption and no but I think
00:16that policy both the leaders and the corporate players and those who talk about some finance
00:24and the financial instruments must be reminded that one of the major flaws in issue of governance
00:34is not just that they're not Islamic in terms of Islamic instruments but because they're
00:40blatantly corrupt and abuse of power. So I think we have to address this. Failure as a country
00:46is not because, oh no, you fail because you don't follow the syria. That's what I learned
00:51in the 70s. But when you start reading and go deeper into this, you realize, of course,
00:58it is our duty to understand the syria and try to apply. But the failure is, of course, basic
01:05human flaw of endemic corruption. Of course, if you ask me then, Anwar now as Prime Minister,
01:12we're not doing your utmost. Of course, I do it to the best of my capacity. But we have
01:26to move. There are some impatient ones who say, no, move now. You can move now or you'll be
01:31thrown out tomorrow. So it has to be with wisdom. Bil-Hikmah means a lot, not only in how you profess,
01:40but how you act. Do you have these resources? Do you have the necessary support? Are you able
01:49to convince the ruling elite and the professional elites that this is a mission that must be supported
01:58by all? And what are the stages? Where do you begin? Can you just undertake this massive reform
02:15in a year or two years or three years? I don't know. I don't have all the answers. But what
02:21I know is, there's no turning back. What I am certain is, that every month and every
02:28year, there must be some progression. Okay. For those who are impatient and once fast grows,
02:35I mean, they are, of course, blinded to the facts and the reality. Okay. Number one, if
02:40you talk about Kandilan, we have 36 in parliament. If you talk about Pakatan Harapan, we have 82
02:45in parliament. It's not even a simple majority. So there is a coalition that will work together.
02:52And we are fortunate because UMNO, when Barisan National, has now turned to be one of the core
02:59pillars committed to this reform and support. But you can't take things for granted because the process
03:05of negotiations, discussions, engagement is important. Why do I stress this point? Because it is relevant in what we say.
03:13If we do not get that consensus between the key parties, including, of course, JPS and GRS, then how do you
03:21embark and support this sort of alternative programs like the NCF and now IRIS? And, of course, the alternative is
03:31Lungbanks. I don't know whether it seems to be relevant. If it's not relevant, it doesn't matter. But I just want to
03:39provoke this to get the scholars and intellectuals and professionals to seriously think about the pillars,
03:53which cannot ignore the importance, of course, to address the issue of inequity, of objectivity, of gender equality.
04:04Malaysia. Malaysia is quite fortunate, but at least you have some recognition. But this is not the case.
04:11This is not the norm in Muslim countries. So we need to make sure justice is not what our obscure
04:23survey interpretation, but something that we truly believe and continue to act to make sure that,
04:31as I remember, Marhum, Ismail Faruqi used to tell me, is actualization of the ideal to how to implement
04:41that, that so-called the major test.
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