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In 2000, Lee Wenham planned what would have been the world's largest jewel heist, targeting De Beers diamonds valued at more than $500 million.
The plan involved a dramatic raid on London’s Millennium Dome, an excavator, and a speedboat for the getaway. The Met Police's Flying Squad thwarted the operation, though, and arrested Wenham and his accomplices before they could get to the diamonds.
Wenham opens up about the meticulous planning, the gang, the surveillance, and the security around the gems.
After leaving prison in May 2005, Wenham started a landscaping business. He was the subject of the Guy Ritchie Netflix documentary "The Diamond Heist" and wrote a memoir, "Diamond Gangster."
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The plan involved a dramatic raid on London’s Millennium Dome, an excavator, and a speedboat for the getaway. The Met Police's Flying Squad thwarted the operation, though, and arrested Wenham and his accomplices before they could get to the diamonds.
Wenham opens up about the meticulous planning, the gang, the surveillance, and the security around the gems.
After leaving prison in May 2005, Wenham started a landscaping business. He was the subject of the Guy Ritchie Netflix documentary "The Diamond Heist" and wrote a memoir, "Diamond Gangster."
For more, visit:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Diamond-Gangster-inside-million-Millennium/dp/1917439016
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00:00My name is Lee Wenham. I helped plan what would have been the world's largest diamond heist,
00:05targeting diamonds worth £350 million.
00:08But it didn't go to plan, I ended up in jail.
00:11This is how crime works.
00:15When I'd gone into the vault and seen the diamonds,
00:17to be honest, I'd never seen a diamond as big as that. It was pretty shocking.
00:20To do a heist like this, it takes balls, it takes history.
00:25You can't go and do a job like that and not be positive.
00:27You can't go in half-hearted, thinking maybe it's going to work.
00:31You've got to think it's definitely going to work.
00:38I decided to do this job when Ray Batson came to the farm.
00:43I didn't know anything about it until then.
00:45He just came up, we sat down, he spoke to me for half an hour, three quarters of an hour,
00:50said what he had planned, and within 10 minutes I said, yeah, I'm on board.
00:55It's as simple as that, really.
00:57We used my father's farm that was right down deep in Kent.
01:01It was quite a few miles away from any villages or anything like that,
01:04so it was a real secure place.
01:05We used that as a safe house.
01:07So it all started from there.
01:09We'd meet at the farm, all of us, twice, three times a week.
01:13When you meet people like that, when you're going to do something as big as this,
01:17you do your background on people, you find out their history.
01:22And if I'm really honest, they're all 100%, every single one of them.
01:26They're loyal.
01:27They've obviously done this sort of thing before, got a very good pedigree.
01:31I trusted every single one of them, and they trusted me.
01:34I got on really, really well with Aldo, with Bob, all of them, to be honest.
01:39Yeah, all of them really well.
01:40Obviously, we discussed how we're going to get through it and what we're going to do
01:44and things like that and what we're going to use.
01:46But if I'm honest, most of the meetings, we were all joking and laughing.
01:51It was fun, to be honest.
01:52It was fun.
01:53It's not like it's in the movie, all sitting around smoking cigars and drinking scotch.
01:57We didn't do that.
01:58There was a cabin, a big porter cabin where we used to have meetings in.
02:01We had maps of things, maps of the dome, different areas of that we were going to look at.
02:05I think it took overall about six months to plan the whole thing and get it in place.
02:12I think I went to the dome four or five times.
02:20There was a big bollard as you go in, a big concrete bollard.
02:23Then as you go into the dome, you've got lots of surveillance cameras, check them out.
02:27Then I had to go into the vault to check out the cameras and the doors.
02:31To be honest, it's just a massive tent, isn't it?
02:33It's a concrete floor and a big massive tent.
02:35At the time, that's all it was and all these displays inside.
02:38I took my family once, just as a smother, really.
02:41You know, to blend into everybody, just walking around on your own.
02:45There's thousands of people in there at the time.
02:47Obviously, I wouldn't have got spotted if I wouldn't grasp.
02:49But it looks better going with a family, you know.
02:51And it was a day out for me wife and kids.
02:54Never told my family about what I was up to, what I was doing.
02:57Didn't want to, didn't want to get them involved, obviously.
03:00On the day of walking around the dome, they didn't have a clue what was going on.
03:03I just wondered why I kept wandering off on my own and looking at things.
03:07I just said I was bored.
03:08When I'd gone into the vault and seen the diamonds, I was a bit sceptical, to be honest.
03:13It was a big, big job and, you know, everyone has their doubts.
03:18What did I think when I first saw the diamonds?
03:20Just pound signs in my eyes, you know.
03:22To be honest with you, I'd never seen a diamond as big as that.
03:24It was pretty shocking.
03:25I think it's one of the biggest diamonds in the world, I believe.
03:28It was a good moment, seeing them.
03:29Yeah, obviously the Millennium Star and the 11.
03:32I was more interested in the other blue diamonds.
03:34They were more fascinating to me, to be honest, because my favourite colour's blue.
03:37But I'm more interested in them.
03:39I was told how much they're worth.
03:42And I was shocked by how much they were worth, to be honest.
03:45I did £350 million for 12 pieces of glass, to me.
03:49I didn't take photographs.
03:50It was Ray Bettson and Bill Cochran, who went up and they'd done a video inside the vault itself.
03:56But I didn't have to take photographs.
03:57I just had to report back, as they say, what was there and my part, yeah.
04:03We communicated with each other with burner phones.
04:06We'd use a phone, use it two days and then chuck it in the river or smash it up.
04:11Yeah, every couple of days we'd change phones.
04:13We had police scanners that were going all the time.
04:15So we were listening to the police.
04:16They weren't listening to us.
04:17That's 25 years ago.
04:19Back then, you could listen to their radios, you know.
04:21So we used to listen to them in like a 20-mile radius.
04:24You could hear what they were doing, yeah.
04:26I've used the scanner before, many times.
04:30I used to do cash points.
04:32You don't just go on and just do a cash point.
04:34You have the roads blocked off.
04:35You have people sitting down the road and they sit there with a scanner and you know when the police are coming.
04:39Yeah.
04:39There was a lot, obviously there was a lot of cameras in the dome.
04:42But I've done jobs before where there's been lots of cameras, not as on that scale.
04:46I've done jobs before where there's been lots of cameras and I've got away with it, you know.
04:49Wasn't phased by the cameras to be honest, no, no.
04:52Not once did I think it wasn't a bad idea or it wasn't going to work.
04:56A couple of times I got a little, not nervous, I was coming out of the dome with my brother-in-law.
05:02I took him up there once and as we were walking out, a couple of the cleaners were sort of staring at me as I was walking out.
05:09And I turned around and they just looked the other way.
05:11Just a little, you know, puts a little slight bit of doubt in your mind.
05:15But I thought, f*** it, we're too far in.
05:17You know, it's me probably being, you know, worrying over nothing.
05:21You know what I mean?
05:22So I thought, you know, this is going to go on roller skates.
05:24This is all right.
05:25Yeah, it's going to work.
05:26Throughout the planning, I never got any thoughts of we're being followed or anything like that.
05:32Obviously, you wouldn't do it.
05:33But it was only when it was cut up to the last few days, when I went up to the coal yard to do the last preparation on the JCB.
05:40There was a guy walking his dog and he just kept sort of looking over, watching what I was doing.
05:44But again, I thought, you know, you're getting paranoid, stop it.
05:47But obviously, it probably was the police, yeah, watching me, yeah.
05:55First, obviously, you get a plan on what you're going for, what the prize is, you know.
06:03Then you've got to get the machinery together.
06:05I did not just go to the dome to look at planning as well.
06:09I sat up on the bypass and watching what was going on.
06:12At the time, there was loads of building work being done around the dome.
06:15Dumpers and JCBs and all sorts of diggers.
06:17You know, even coming right up to the edge of the dome, there was JCBs flying up and down.
06:22That was mainly why we used a JCB.
06:24It's a camouflage.
06:25It didn't look our place.
06:27And you had the room in the back to get everyone in, yeah.
06:30The plan was to take a JCB, crash through the gates and then go through the side of the dome.
06:36It's a pretty dangerous bit of kit if it's used, you know, in that way, I suppose, yeah.
06:41Obviously, you can't go out and buy a JCB to use it.
06:44I nicked the JCB from a place called Tunbridge in Kent on a building site, drove it back to my dad's farm.
06:52And then after a while, I had to do some modifications to it.
06:56A JCB is a seven or eight ton machine, you know.
06:59They had about two mile drive of it.
07:04And the whole thing was just too heavy, you know.
07:06And taking that bit off was taking like a ton and a half off of it, you know.
07:10Because you have a big thing on the back called a backhacker.
07:12So I had to take half of that off because there was going to be four bodies inside with Ray driving.
07:16I had to take all the mechanics out of the back, all the levers that weren't the backhacker.
07:21Take all them out.
07:22And then halfway up the windows, I blacked them out.
07:25So I said they can't see in.
07:27And then as Ray was driving it around the field, he said, when you bring the front arms up,
07:32you've got a big bucket and you can't see that well.
07:34He said, I can't see through the bucket.
07:35So I had to cut big square holes in the front of the bucket so he could see through
07:38as he was going through the side of the dome.
07:40Same with the van, a couple of vans.
07:42You have to nick them.
07:43You can't go and buy them because they'll always trace it back.
07:46I think the only thing we bought was the speedboat and the nail gun.
07:51Everything else was stolen, yeah.
07:52We nicked it all, yeah.
07:53Using the Hilti gun was, I think it was Bill Cochran's idea.
07:57We had to test the nail gun.
07:58The other guys were a bit sceptical about it working.
08:01I had a piece of steel in the yard and I said, watch this.
08:03And it went through steel like that thick.
08:05And they said it'll piss through it, yeah.
08:07We decided to use a speedboat because the dome was right on the Thames and it's built on a polinceton.
08:12So it's the only way out.
08:14Unless you start driving back, you're going to bang you in the traffic.
08:17I think Ray and Bill first bought a speedboat to the yard.
08:20It wasn't any good.
08:21So we ditched that one.
08:22And then we sent Terry Millman to buy another boat in Whitshtable.
08:27So Terry went and bought one in the name of Terry Diamond.
08:29F***ing idiot.
08:32He paid three and a half grand for it, I think, in cash.
08:35And bought that one back and we tested that one and that one was perfect.
08:39I took it down to a place called Bure Water, which is in Kent.
08:42A friend of Terry's had a house that was right on the water.
08:46So we took it down there and tested it on there and it worked perfect, yeah.
08:49The smoke grenades, I didn't have anything to do with them.
08:52That was Aldo Shiroki's job, to use them.
08:56And I think he was the one who supplied them.
08:58I don't know where he got them from, to be honest.
09:00But the point of them is, because there were so many cameras in the dome,
09:05once the JCB had pulled up, it's to throw sort of half a dozen around
09:09to make a wall, really.
09:10It's a smoke wall, you know, to try and stop as much as they can
09:14watching what they were doing.
09:16I used to use body armour just going to do a cash point.
09:19You never know what's coming.
09:20You never know who's coming.
09:20You never know, you know, when you're doing something as severe as that,
09:24you don't know if someone's going to pull out.
09:25I've had guns pulled out on me before.
09:27I've been shot at before doing jobs.
09:30So using a body armour, it's just a natural thing that you do.
09:33And you can, you know, I think you can't get them anywhere.
09:36It's just there's loads and loads of planning and loads of stuff to it.
09:39And also it costs a lot of money.
09:41It's, you know, I think between all of us,
09:43it would cost us 20 grand to put it together.
09:46You know, I know it's not a lot of money in concerns of 350 million pounds of diamonds,
09:51but, you know, we never got no money and it cost us 20 grand.
09:56It was so well planned.
09:59There was a little bit of, I was a little bit sceptical about the boat driver
10:03because he was brought in right at the last minute
10:05because another guy we had let us down,
10:07but the other guys knew him.
10:09So I just, I went on that, you know.
10:13That was the only concern I had.
10:15But everything else, getting into the dome,
10:18crashing through the side of the dome,
10:20getting into the vault,
10:21I didn't have no worries about it at all.
10:23When I first had the conversation with Ray about doing it
10:30and he asked me to come on board,
10:32there wasn't any mention of how much they were worth.
10:36So I just sort of worked out for myself
10:39that they've got to be in the region of like 40 million pounds,
10:4240, 50 million to be on a display like that
10:44for everyone to come and look at them.
10:46You're not going to come and look at a 500 quid diamond, are you?
10:48Even though they're worth 350 million pounds,
10:53they're not in the black market.
10:55You know, they're, I don't know,
10:59I think they were sold for like 20 million,
11:01which is still a lot of money,
11:03but just for my part, I was getting a million pounds,
11:05which I wasn't grumbling about.
11:07I was happy with that, yeah.
11:09I didn't want to know where the diamonds were going
11:11or where they were being sold to.
11:13I knew I trusted Ray to bring my money back.
11:16Obviously, we had a good working relationship,
11:19but I didn't know where the diamonds were going
11:21and I didn't want to know.
11:22There was a little rumour that the big one
11:23was going to be cut down into four,
11:26but that was just rumours between us.
11:28I don't know where it was going.
11:30At the time, when my dad bought Tong Farm,
11:33there was cottages on the farm
11:34or just on the perimeter of the farm
11:37and I bought one of them three-bedroom cottages
11:39with an acre of ground
11:40and I was just starting to sort of do that up.
11:43So I was going to chuck sort of underground at that
11:45and have that done up.
11:48And then my dad had a couple of,
11:50three villas in Marbella in Spain.
11:52There was two for sale
11:53and I was going to buy two of them
11:54and just rent them out
11:55and buy bits of land and stuff like that
11:57to put the money into things, you know.
11:59It was just all focus on the money, to be honest.
12:01As I said, diamonds are not my thing.
12:03I don't care where they were going.
12:05I was on a wage and that was it.
12:08In the morning, I think I got up
12:15about five, half five in the morning
12:17because obviously it was playing on my mind.
12:19Couldn't sleep.
12:20I knew the raid was going to happen
12:22between nine and a half past nine.
12:23I weren't there because simply I wasn't needed.
12:27Everybody had their job to do
12:29but my job was to,
12:31once the robbery was done,
12:34they were coming back with vehicles,
12:36the vans and stuff like that
12:37that were left along the way
12:38that I'd had to destroy.
12:39We chose November the 7th, 2000
12:42because main reason that day
12:45was when the tide was up
12:46for the boat to work, you know,
12:48otherwise we couldn't have got the boat
12:50in the water.
12:52We decided to do it
12:53as soon as it was open in the morning,
12:56as soon as the vault door was open.
12:58I think it was,
12:59door opens about nine,
13:00just after nine,
13:01so it was going to be going at half nine.
13:03The reason why,
13:05during the day,
13:06it did get quite busy,
13:08a lot of people in there,
13:09but at that time in the morning,
13:11as soon as it opened,
13:11got in there
13:12and at the most,
13:14we saw five people maybe
13:16walking past,
13:18you know,
13:19so it was the best time to go in there.
13:21Obviously,
13:21we didn't want to hurt anyone.
13:22We didn't want anybody injured
13:23or anything like that,
13:24so yeah,
13:25that was the best time to go.
13:26They left the coal yard
13:27about 20 to nine
13:29because it's a 20-minute drive
13:30with a JCB to get there.
13:32Ray Bettson,
13:33Aldo Scirocchi,
13:34Bill Cochran,
13:35Bob Adams,
13:36who was in the JCB on the morning.
13:38The raid was time to go down
13:40just after nine o'clock,
13:41as soon as the doors had opened,
13:43crash through the first concrete bollard
13:45just after nine,
13:46crash through the gates
13:47and then go through the side of the dome,
13:50the plastic and aluminium doors of the dome,
13:54smash through that,
13:55get into the vault
13:55about quarter past nine,
13:57get into the vault and out.
13:58But the whole job was time
14:00from literally starting the crash
14:02on the outside,
14:03getting into the vault
14:04and coming out five minutes
14:05to get onto the boat.
14:07That's how much time we allowed
14:08from five minutes from start to finish.
14:10From the first crash
14:11to the finish,
14:12five minutes in and out.
14:13Jumping onto the boat
14:14across the Thames
14:15and getting into the van,
14:17another two,
14:17three minutes tops.
14:19So the whole job together
14:20was playing for about eight minutes
14:21in and out.
14:23I'm not sure what was going to happen
14:24with the Diamond,
14:25if I'm really honest.
14:25I knew it was going,
14:27once they picked them up on the boat,
14:29I think it was going to be
14:30two or three miles down the road
14:32and then it was going to go
14:33into a rucksack
14:34and on the back of a motorbike
14:36to get away,
14:38you know,
14:38not just get away in the van.
14:40We were very close,
14:41very close,
14:42especially when they were done the glass
14:43and you, you know,
14:44just about to put your hand in
14:45and get it.
14:46But obviously we had never got away with it
14:47because they were there
14:48waiting for us.
14:49Right after they got into the vault
14:51and broke the glass,
14:52the police arrested them.
14:53We found out later
14:54that they knew about it all along
14:55and they changed the diamonds
14:57to fake ones.
15:03I was waiting for a friend of mine
15:04to pick me up
15:05to go down the farm
15:07and do what I had to do.
15:10I was listening on the radio
15:11to see if I could hear anything
15:11about the raid
15:12or what had happened.
15:14Strange was nothing on there,
15:15to be honest.
15:15It was right up until,
15:16up until like 10 o'clock.
15:19I didn't hear anything on the radio
15:20but it was already on TV by then
15:21which I didn't know.
15:23I was just very anxious
15:24about what had happened
15:25and I got to the farm
15:26to do my bit.
15:30Get rid of everything
15:30that was at the farm,
15:31at the safe house.
15:33A friend of mine was driving
15:34as I went to pull in there
15:34there's like a little triangle
15:35for you at the farm
15:36and you've got about 300 yards
15:38before you actually go into the farm
15:39and I could see it was just
15:40black with police everywhere,
15:42all armed police.
15:42and I said to him
15:46like just go
15:46and he drove me,
15:48he drove me into it,
15:49into the police.
15:51Yeah.
15:51And they just put,
15:52put two guns through the window
15:54to my head,
15:55dragged me to the floor,
15:56kept me there for about an hour
15:58I suppose
15:59and then took me off
16:02back up to London.
16:04As soon as that gun
16:04came through the window
16:05into my head,
16:07the first thing that went
16:08through my mind
16:08was f*** you,
16:09I've lost all that money.
16:10And the second thing was
16:11who's grassed us?
16:14You know,
16:14who's grassed us up?
16:16Yeah.
16:16They had a surveillance team
16:18day and night on the farm
16:1924-7.
16:20The guy next door
16:21was supposed to be
16:22a friend of my dad's
16:22but he let the police
16:23put cameras up
16:24on the telegraph pole
16:26in his house
16:26so they could watch us.
16:28There was a field opposite
16:28the farm
16:29with a hedge
16:30and they were laying
16:31in camouflage there
16:32for weeks on end
16:33watching us.
16:34Yeah,
16:34they were everywhere.
16:36There you go,
16:36that's life,
16:37it's history.
16:39Character building,
16:40that's what it is.
16:41And maybe it was
16:42a little bit
16:44because I'd never
16:45been caught before
16:46that I'd
16:46was a little bit
16:48what's the words?
16:49A little bit overconfident
16:50I suppose,
16:51yeah,
16:51a little bit overconfident
16:52with not getting caught.
16:55I should have thought
16:55about it a bit more
16:56but you know,
16:57that's life.
16:59I see myself
17:00as someone
17:01who would take a chance
17:02doing robberies like this.
17:04You've got to be
17:04in a completely different
17:05mindset to do something
17:06like this
17:07and then just your person
17:08who goes out
17:08and nicks a car
17:09or anything like that.
17:09It's a completely
17:10different mindset.
17:11So I see myself
17:12as nobody different
17:14really than anybody else
17:16but just better.
17:21At the time
17:22of the dome heist
17:23I was 32.
17:26I was young,
17:28just wanted
17:28bundles of money
17:29to be honest
17:30but looking at it
17:32realistically
17:32down the line
17:33we'd have been caught
17:34at some time,
17:35yeah.
17:36Listen,
17:36we've all got a job
17:37to do
17:37and the police
17:37have got their job
17:38to do.
17:39If the police
17:39wasn't informed
17:40and I believe this
17:42in my heart
17:42definitely 100%
17:44we'd have gotten
17:44away with it.
17:45Definitely.
17:46You can't go
17:46and do a job
17:47like that
17:47and not be positive.
17:48You can't go in
17:48half-hearted.
17:50You know,
17:50you can't go in there
17:50and thinking
17:51maybe it's going to work.
17:53You've got to think
17:54it's definitely
17:55going to work.
17:55If we had have
17:56pulled it off
17:56it would have been
17:57the biggest heist
17:58in the world.
18:04The trial
18:05was separated
18:05and my dad
18:06me and my dad
18:07were on trial
18:08together.
18:09First I was only
18:10charged for the
18:11dome robbery
18:12and then after
18:13about six weeks
18:13I was charged
18:14with the
18:14Ellsford robbery
18:15where the
18:17getaway van
18:18had my DNA
18:19found in a glove
18:20inside
18:20so then I knew
18:21I was going away
18:22for a long time.
18:24The Ellsford robbery
18:24that was about
18:25nine, ten months
18:26before the
18:27diamond heist.
18:28There was a
18:29Securicor van
18:30every Thursday
18:31or Friday
18:32or whatever it is
18:32comes out of
18:33a depot
18:33in Ellsford
18:34in Kent
18:34and it carries
18:36just under
18:36nine million
18:37pound in it
18:37in cash.
18:39So me and some
18:40other guys
18:40came out of
18:41a plan
18:41we bought
18:43a tipper lorry
18:44and built
18:45a big spike
18:46on the back
18:46of it
18:46it was about
18:47six foot long
18:48steel spike
18:49to ram through
18:50the back doors
18:51and as you ran
18:52through the back
18:53doors
18:53we had a big
18:54chain
18:54with a big
18:55cross on the
18:56end
18:56you put
18:57through the
18:57hole
18:57and then
18:58pulled the
18:59lorry away
18:59and pulled
19:00the back
19:00doors off.
19:01On the day
19:02of the raid
19:02we had
19:02other guys
19:03with Arctic
19:04lorries
19:05blocking the
19:05road off
19:06so no one
19:06could get in
19:07and just
19:08before we
19:08did it
19:08we drove
19:09the lorry
19:09up
19:09drove the
19:10spike
19:10into the
19:11back
19:11of the
19:11lorry
19:12just before
19:12that
19:13we
19:13because
19:14inside
19:14the
19:15Securicor
19:15lorry
19:15they have
19:16panic
19:17buttons
19:17like alarm
19:17buttons
19:18that send
19:18the alarm
19:19up straight
19:21we made
19:21bombs
19:21to go
19:22on the
19:22side
19:22of the
19:22doors
19:23not real
19:24bombs
19:24they were
19:24fray bentos
19:25pies
19:25I saw
19:26them in
19:26a shop
19:26and I saw
19:27it looked
19:27like a
19:28bomb
19:28so we
19:28sprayed it
19:28and put
19:29wires on
19:29it
19:29and made
19:30it look
19:31like a
19:31bomb
19:31so we
19:32just had
19:33magnets
19:33on it
19:33just put
19:34them on
19:34the
19:34doors
19:34so they
19:34put
19:34their
19:35hands
19:35on
19:35the
19:35windscreen
19:35they'd
19:36done
19:36that
19:37they all
19:37went
19:38off
19:38okay
19:38smashed
19:38in
19:39the
19:39back
19:39of
19:39into
19:40the
19:40back
19:40of
19:40it
19:40just
19:41about
19:41to
19:41put
19:41the
19:41chain
19:41in
19:42and
19:42the
19:43police
19:43turned
19:43up
19:43someone
19:44else
19:44had
19:44seen
19:45what
19:45was
19:45going
19:45on
19:45a
19:46few
19:46minutes
19:46before
19:47and
19:47phoned
19:47them
19:47but
19:47they
19:47were
19:47in
19:47the
19:47area
19:48so
19:48two
19:49police
19:49cars
19:49turned
19:49up
19:49two
19:50Range
19:50Rovers
19:50so
19:52sitting
19:54there
19:54in
19:54the
19:54getaway
19:54van
19:55one
19:55of
19:55the
19:56other
19:56guys
19:56came
19:58out
19:58had
20:00a
20:00shotgun
20:00on
20:01him
20:01so
20:02he
20:02let
20:02two
20:02shots
20:03into
20:03the
20:03police
20:03car
20:04into
20:04the
20:04grill
20:04to
20:05get
20:05them
20:11and
20:11we
20:11got
20:12away
20:12didn't
20:13get
20:13the
20:13prize
20:13didn't
20:13get
20:13the
20:14money
20:14but
20:14we
20:15got
20:15away
20:15the
20:21day
20:22we
20:22were
20:22about
20:22to
20:22go
20:22up
20:22on
20:22trial
20:23they
20:23sent
20:25a
20:25message
20:25to
20:25me
20:26saying
20:26if
20:26you
20:26plead
20:27guilty
20:27to
20:27both
20:27sentences
20:28I
20:29will
20:29let
20:30your
20:30dad
20:30go
20:30so
20:31I
20:33don't
20:33suppose
20:34everyone
20:34would
20:34do
20:34it
20:34but
20:34I
20:34just
20:35thought
20:35I
20:35got
20:36to
20:36get
20:36him
20:36out
20:36of
20:36here
20:36my
20:37QC
20:37said
20:37to
20:37the
20:38judge
20:38I
20:38recommend
20:39single
20:39figures
20:40instead
20:40of
20:40double
20:41figures
20:42because
20:42he's
20:43pleaded
20:43guilty
20:43so
20:44he
20:44went
20:44right
20:44to
20:44the
20:44top
20:45and
20:45gave
20:45me
20:45nine
20:45years
20:46and
20:46four
20:46years
20:47but
20:48it
20:48was
20:48a
20:48relief
20:49to
20:49be
20:49honest
20:49the
20:50stress
20:50of
20:50not
20:50knowing
20:50what's
20:51coming
20:51I
20:52was
20:52just
20:53really
20:53happy
20:53that
20:53it
20:54was
20:54over
20:54I
20:55think
20:55it
20:55was
20:55a
20:55Thursday
20:56night
20:56we
20:56come
20:56from
20:56in
20:57Woolwich
20:57court
20:58we
20:58all
20:58got
20:58remanded
20:59and
20:59there's
20:59a
20:59big
20:59tunnel
21:00that
21:00goes
21:00under
21:00from
21:01the
21:02court
21:02straight
21:02into
21:02Belmarsh
21:03prison
21:03the
21:03time
21:04we
21:04got
21:04processed
21:05in
21:05given
21:06our
21:06numbers
21:06and
21:06taken
21:06to
21:07the
21:07wing
21:07it
21:08was
21:08quite
21:08late
21:09in
21:09the
21:09afternoon
21:09and
21:09this
21:10is
21:10how
21:10the
21:10jokes
21:10were
21:10we're
21:11all
21:11facing
21:1110
21:1215
21:1220
21:13years
21:13in
21:13prison
21:13and
21:14Bob
21:14Adams
21:14said
21:14oh
21:16it's
21:16a
21:16Thursday
21:16night
21:16they do
21:17a
21:17roast
21:17on
21:17a
21:17Thursday
21:18night
21:18it
21:18was
21:18joking
21:19even
21:20at
21:20that
21:20point
21:21he
21:21knew
21:21he
21:21was
21:21going
21:21to
21:21get
21:21a
21:21lot
21:22of
21:22bird
21:22he
21:22was
21:22still
21:22joking
21:23you
21:23know
21:23spirits
21:23were
21:24high
21:24and
21:24as
21:24walked
21:24onto
21:24the
21:25wing
21:25people
21:27must have
21:27been
21:27watching
21:27it
21:27that
21:28day
21:28on
21:28TV
21:28because
21:28it
21:29was
21:29really
21:29big
21:29on
21:30TV
21:30at
21:30the
21:30time
21:30and
21:30the
21:30newspapers
21:31and
21:32they
21:32just
21:32all
21:32stood
21:32up
21:33and
21:33started
21:33clapping
21:33and
21:34you
21:34know
21:34felt
21:36good
21:36at
21:36the
21:36time
21:36didn't
21:37last
21:37everyone
21:39wanted
21:40to come
21:40and talk
21:40about
21:40and asked
21:41what
21:41had
21:41happened
21:41more
21:43or less
21:43everyone
21:43on the
21:44wing
21:44really
21:44the
21:45reaction
21:45from
21:45people
21:45inside
21:46were
21:46you
21:47know
21:47you're
21:47like
21:48a
21:48little
21:48bit
21:48of
21:48a
21:48hero
21:48to
21:49them
21:49really
21:49they
21:49all
21:49want
21:49to
21:49hang
21:51around
21:51you
21:51and
21:51stuff
21:51like
21:51that
21:52because
21:52you've
21:52done
21:52something
21:53that's
21:54right
21:55out
21:55there
21:55bigger
21:56than
21:56what
21:56they
21:57could
21:57ever
21:57think
21:57of
21:57we
21:58never
21:58had
21:58any
21:58negativity
21:59at
21:59all
21:59people
22:00were
22:00just
22:00like
22:00me
22:01poor
22:01bastards
22:02never
22:02got
22:10I don't
22:12know
22:12it's
22:12a
22:12strange
22:12feeling
22:13you
22:13wake
22:13up
22:13and
22:13you
22:14look
22:14around
22:14and
22:15you
22:15think
22:15when you
22:16open
22:16your
22:16eyes
22:16you
22:17think
22:17you're
22:17at
22:17home
22:17you've
22:17got to
22:17go
22:17and
22:17do
22:18something
22:18wow
22:18bang
22:20you're
22:20inside
22:20then it
22:22hits you
22:22it's
22:23just
22:23being
22:24away
22:24from
22:24your
22:24family
22:24I had
22:25two
22:25young
22:25daughters
22:26at
22:26the
22:26time
22:26very
22:26young
22:26daughters
22:27being
22:28away
22:28from
22:28them
22:28if
22:29I
22:30had
22:3020
22:30years
22:31in
22:31total
22:31I
22:32had
22:33to
22:33serve
22:33at
22:40fault
22:41yeah
22:41a
22:42day
22:42in
22:42prison
22:42is
22:43in
22:44Belmarsh
22:45is
22:45a
22:45very
22:45very
22:45strict
22:46prison
22:46they
22:46have
22:46a lot
22:47of
22:47staffing
22:47problems
22:48so
22:48you're
22:48behind
22:49your
22:49door
22:50locked
22:50up
22:5022
22:51hours
22:51a
22:51day
22:51so
22:52you
22:52get up
22:52in
22:52the
22:52morning
22:53I
22:53used
22:53to
22:53wake
22:53up
22:54at
22:546
22:54half
22:546
22:54always
22:55have
22:55done
22:55have
22:55a
22:56shave
22:56or
22:56whatever
22:56and
22:56just
22:56you
22:57know
22:57make
22:57a cup
22:58of
22:58tea
22:58and
22:58then
22:58the
22:58doors
22:58open
22:59at
22:599
22:59you
23:00let
23:10you
23:11bang
23:12back
23:12up
23:12again
23:13until
23:146
23:15o'clock
23:15half
23:155
23:156
23:15o'clock
23:16in
23:16the
23:16evening
23:16and
23:17then
23:17they
23:17let
23:17you
23:17out
23:17for
23:18half
23:18an
23:18hour
23:18association
23:19and
23:20then
23:20you're
23:20banged
23:21up
23:21again
23:21until
23:21the
23:21next
23:21day
23:22and
23:22every
23:22day
23:22you
23:23go out
23:26on
23:26exercise
23:26for
23:26half
23:27an
23:27hour
23:27if
23:28they
23:28had
23:28the
23:28staff
23:28so
23:28it
23:29was
23:29hard
23:30yeah
23:31there
23:31was
23:31lots
23:31of
23:31time
23:32to
23:32think
23:32but
23:32I
23:34think
23:34I'm
23:35quite
23:35a
23:35positive
23:36person
23:36and
23:36sitting
23:36there
23:37thinking
23:37you're
23:37stewing
23:37on
23:37things
23:38it
23:38doesn't
23:39make
23:39it
23:39any
23:39better
23:39you
23:40know
23:40you've
23:40just
23:40got to
23:41get
23:41on
23:41with
23:41it
23:41I
23:41just
23:41slept
23:42most
23:42of
23:42the
23:42time
23:42to
23:42be
23:42honest
23:43I'd
23:43get up
23:43and do
23:44exercises
23:44in
23:44the
23:44cell
23:45just
23:45keep
23:45yourself
23:46motivated
23:46talk
23:46to
23:46people
23:46out
23:46the
23:47window
23:47at
23:47night
23:47you
23:48know
23:48you've
23:48got to
23:48make
23:48the
23:48best
23:49of
23:49where
23:49you
23:49are
23:49we
23:50had
23:50a
23:50wing
23:51to
23:51ourselves
23:51there
23:52was
23:52obviously
23:52six
23:53of
23:53us
23:53we
23:54had
23:54the
23:54whole
23:54wing
23:54to
23:54ourselves
23:55and
23:57downstairs
23:57there
23:58was
23:58four
23:59IRA
23:59guys
24:00they
24:02had
24:02a
24:02wing
24:02to
24:02themselves
24:02but
24:03we
24:03used
24:03to
24:03talk
24:03to
24:03them
24:03through
24:04the
24:04window
24:04at
24:04night
24:04go out
24:06at
24:06a
24:06certain
24:06time
24:07have
24:07our
24:07little
24:07chats
24:07with
24:08a load
24:08of
24:08old
24:08women
24:08really
24:09each
24:14prison
24:15I
24:15moved
24:15to
24:15there
24:16was
24:16people
24:16I
24:17knew
24:17and
24:17there
24:17were
24:18coming
24:18up
24:19different
24:19ideas
24:19and
24:20stuff
24:20like
24:20that
24:20so
24:21you
24:21think
24:21I'm
24:22going
24:22to
24:22do
24:22this
24:22when I
24:22get
24:23out
24:23but
24:23when
24:23it
24:23got
24:23to
24:24coming
24:24to
24:25the
24:25end
24:25I
24:25done
24:26four
24:26years
24:27in
24:27a
24:27close
24:28prison
24:28and
24:28then
24:28the
24:28last
24:29six
24:29months
24:29in
24:29an
24:29open
24:30prison
24:30then
24:30you
24:31start
24:31going
24:31out
24:31on
24:32your
24:32own
24:32that's
24:33when
24:33it
24:33started
24:34realising
24:34maybe
24:35this
24:35isn't
24:36worth
24:36it
24:36this
24:37going
24:37out
24:37and
24:37being
24:38free
24:38is
24:40a
24:40much
24:40better
24:40life
24:41I
24:41had
24:41visits
24:42from
24:44my
24:44dad
24:44he
24:44used
24:45to
24:45bring
24:45my
24:45family
24:46up
24:46he
24:47promised
24:47me
24:47all
24:47these
24:47things
24:47that
24:48he
24:48was
24:48going
24:48to
24:48look
24:48after
24:48my
24:48kids
24:49and
24:49he
24:49was
24:49going
24:49to
24:49because
24:50I
24:50done
24:51what
24:51I
24:51done
24:51which
24:51was
24:52a
24:52big
24:52thing
24:52now
24:52looking
24:52back
24:53on
24:53it
24:53now
24:53it
24:53was
24:53a
24:53big
24:53thing
24:54taking
24:54someone
24:54else's
24:54time
24:55even
24:55though
24:55it's
24:56your
24:56dad
24:56it's
24:57still
24:57a big
24:57thing
24:57to do
24:58I
24:58never
24:58got
24:59a thank
24:59you
24:59for
25:00what
25:14I
25:14wasn't
25:15a
25:16kid
25:16I
25:16was
25:1631
25:1732
25:17years
25:17old
25:17I
25:17was
25:18a
25:18grown
25:18man
25:18I
25:18knew
25:18what
25:18I
25:18was
25:18doing
25:19he
25:20died
25:20of
25:21Parkinson's
25:22in
25:222018
25:23I
25:24never
25:24did
25:24get
25:24the
25:24chance
25:25to
25:25speak
25:25to
25:26him
25:26about
25:26everything
25:27that
25:28happened
25:28there
25:29was
25:29no
25:29closure
25:30regrets
25:32I've
25:32had one
25:32or two
25:33I
25:37regret
25:37my
25:38children
25:38going
25:38through
25:38what
25:39they
25:39went
25:39through
25:39when
25:39I
25:39was
25:39away
25:40I
25:41don't
25:41know
25:41how
25:41it's
25:41affected
25:42them
25:42because
25:42they've
25:42never
25:42told
25:43me
25:43how
25:43they
25:43feel
25:43about
25:44it
25:44I
25:45don't
25:45know
25:45if
25:45they
25:45keep
25:46trying
25:46to
25:46keep
25:47me
25:47happy
25:47by
25:47not
25:47telling
25:48me
25:48but
25:49to
25:49be
25:49honest
25:49since
25:50the
25:50documentary
25:51has
25:51come
25:51out
25:51my
25:52oldest
25:53daughter
25:53has
25:53been
25:53quite
25:53tearful
25:54about
25:54it
25:54and
25:55I've
25:56never
25:56seen
25:56that
25:56side
25:56of
25:56her
25:57you know
25:57I've
25:57never
25:57seen
25:58that
25:58and
25:58I
25:58call
25:58her
25:59and
25:59I'm
25:59like
26:00what
26:00are
26:00you
26:00crying
26:00for
26:00and
26:02then
26:02my
26:02wife
26:03is
26:03going
26:03just
26:03listen
26:03to
26:03what
26:04she's
26:04saying
26:04and
26:04she's
26:05talking
26:05about
26:06the
26:06photographs
26:07that
26:07are
26:07coming
26:07out
26:07of
26:08her
26:08as
26:09a
26:09kid
26:09and
26:10I'm
26:11sorry
26:12for
26:12her
26:12feeling
26:13like
26:13that
26:13that's
26:14what
26:14I'm
26:14sorry
26:14about
26:14I've
26:16never
26:16ever
26:16and
26:16I don't
26:18want
26:18my
26:18kids
26:18to be
26:18involved
26:19in
26:19anything
26:19like
26:19that
26:20definitely
26:21not
26:22I try
26:22and steer
26:22them
26:22away
26:22from
26:23it
26:23as
26:23much
26:23well
26:23I
26:23don't
26:23have
26:24to
26:24steer
26:30don't
26:31go
26:31around
26:31that
26:31person
26:31you
26:32know
26:32my
26:32relationship
26:33with my
26:33girls
26:34now
26:34is
26:34the
26:35best
26:35it's
26:35ever
26:35been
26:35over
26:37the
26:37last
26:37few
26:37years
26:37we
26:38we're
26:38very
26:39close
26:39I've
26:39got
26:39three
26:40gorgeous
26:40grandchildren
26:41who I
26:42adore
26:42both girls
26:45I see as
26:45much as I
26:46can
26:46the
26:47oldest
26:47one
26:48I
26:48don't
26:48see
26:48so
26:48much
26:48because
26:48she's
26:49always
26:49working
26:49but the
26:50time we
26:50do
26:50have
26:51together
26:51we
26:51really
26:51make
26:52it
26:52count
26:52to
26:57do
26:58a
26:58heist
26:58like
26:58this
26:58it
26:59takes
26:59balls
27:01it
27:02takes
27:03history
27:04you know
27:05the people
27:05that you've
27:06grown up
27:07with
27:07that you've
27:08learnt
27:08along the
27:09way
27:09I've been
27:10involved in
27:10crime all
27:11my life
27:11since a
27:12child
27:12that's
27:13all I've
27:14seen
27:14I was
27:15born in
27:16Pembury
27:16in Kent
27:16when I
27:17was born
27:18we were
27:18living in
27:18a caravan
27:19moving all
27:21over the
27:21place
27:21because I
27:21come from
27:22a gypsy
27:23family
27:23I didn't
27:24like school
27:24I didn't
27:25like school
27:25at all
27:25I got
27:26bullied
27:28at school
27:28when I
27:29was a
27:29kid
27:29I can't
27:31remember
27:32the guy's
27:32name but
27:32I remember
27:33a big tall
27:33guy with
27:33ginger hair
27:34and he
27:34bullied me
27:35because I
27:35was a
27:36gypsy
27:37traveller
27:37I left
27:37school
27:38when I
27:38was 12
27:40because we
27:40kept moving
27:41so much
27:41I was
27:41taken out
27:41of school
27:42most gypsies
27:4399% gypsies
27:44are very
27:44close and
27:44we don't
27:45mix with
27:45non-gypsy
27:46we call
27:46them
27:46gorgias
27:47we don't
27:48mix with
27:48gorgias
27:49but I
27:49wasn't like
27:50that
27:50even from
27:51a child
27:52I sort
27:53of mixed
27:53with everyone
27:53but that's
27:55where we
27:55came from
27:56I have
27:57big family
27:57very big
27:58family
27:58my dad's
28:02brothers and
28:03sisters
28:03there was
28:03ten of
28:04them
28:04my dad
28:04when I
28:05was growing
28:05up
28:06he first
28:07as all
28:08gypsies say
28:09tarmac in
28:09the drives
28:10he was doing
28:10that sort
28:11of work
28:11up until
28:12I can remember
28:13when I was
28:13about five
28:14or six
28:14and then I
28:15just knew
28:15everything he'd
28:16done was
28:16up to no
28:17good
28:17he was doing
28:18all sorts
28:18nicking
28:19that's when he
28:20started getting
28:20in with people
28:20from the south
28:21London
28:22you know
28:22and getting
28:23into criminality
28:25that way
28:25so that's
28:26when I was
28:27at five
28:27I was going
28:28out with him
28:29I can have
28:29flashbacks to
28:30then you know
28:30I can remember
28:31what was going
28:32on people
28:33chucking boxes
28:34of cigarettes
28:34and whiskey
28:35out the back
28:35of lorries
28:36and stuff
28:36like that
28:37you know
28:37if I'm
28:39honest
28:39I don't
28:41think I know
28:41a gypsy
28:41that hasn't
28:42done criminal
28:43things you know
28:45we're all
28:47at it
28:47again it's
28:49a way of life
28:49not a way of life
28:50but it's just
28:50there we are
28:51that doesn't
28:52sound good
28:52does it
28:53listen
28:56if it's there
28:57you've got to
28:57take it
28:58oh I started
29:02quite late
29:02I didn't start
29:03until I was
29:0314
29:0315
29:04my very first
29:08job I did
29:08I was
29:08in Tunbridge
29:10Wells High
29:10Street
29:10in Kent
29:11I nicked
29:12JCB
29:13out of the
29:14High Street
29:15my dad had
29:16at the time
29:18people from
29:18all over
29:19the country
29:19buying stuff
29:20like that
29:21he'd never do
29:21anything himself
29:22he'd always
29:23get other people
29:23to do it
29:24all these little
29:26thieves going out
29:26getting stuff
29:27for him
29:27and they were
29:30charging him
29:30quite a bit
29:31of money
29:31to do it
29:31and one day
29:32I said
29:33listen
29:33there's one
29:34in Tunbridge
29:35I'll do it
29:35for half the
29:36money
29:36and he said
29:37I bet you
29:38can't
29:39and two hours
29:39later I drove
29:40in the yard
29:40with it
29:40and I just
29:41started from there
29:41that was my
29:43first crime
29:44my father was
29:45very happy
29:46to be involved
29:47but it was
29:47different times
29:48you're talking
29:48late 60s
29:5070s
29:51different times
29:51back in the
29:52day
29:52you could
29:52JCBs
29:54only had one
29:55key
29:55to fit
29:55all JCBs
29:56so
29:57you were just
29:58rich pickings
30:00and I'd done
30:01that one
30:01I thought
30:02that's pretty
30:02easy
30:03and I had
30:031500 quid
30:04I'm 15 years
30:05old
30:05it was back
30:06in the 80s
30:08it was a lot
30:08of money
30:081500 quid
30:09was a lot
30:09of money
30:09so I just
30:11went out
30:12and started
30:13doing it
30:13and kept
30:13doing that
30:14and got into
30:14loads of other
30:15things
30:15no I didn't
30:16grow up
30:17watching movies
30:18or I want
30:19to be like
30:19that
30:19it wasn't
30:21movie
30:21it was the
30:21people I was
30:22around
30:22the people
30:23I was brought
30:23up with
30:23not movies
30:24the people
30:25I was looking
30:25up to
30:26like I said
30:26the Haywood
30:27brothers
30:28there was lots
30:29of people
30:29around
30:29in them
30:30days
30:31there was
30:33another guy
30:33up in London
30:33I can't
30:34remember his
30:34name now
30:35but he was
30:35doing
30:36Amber
30:36Breeze
30:36at the time
30:37and he'd
30:38come back
30:38down to
30:38Kent
30:39and he'd
30:39be in a
30:39brand new
30:40Mercedes
30:40car
30:40and he'd
30:41stand in
30:42the pub
30:42and pull
30:43out about
30:44500 quid
30:44and buying
30:45drinks
30:45I thought
30:46yeah I'll
30:46have some
30:46of that
30:47and that's
30:48what got me
30:48into it
30:48really
30:49yeah
30:49the first
30:49cash point
30:50I did
30:51I think I was
30:52only 20
30:52then 21
30:53again stole
30:54a JCB
30:54got up to
30:55the cash point
30:56just got the
30:57back digger
30:58on there
30:58and just dug
30:59the safe
30:59completely out
31:00of the wall
31:00ripped the wall
31:01out
31:01I remember
31:02one time
31:02we'd done
31:04one
31:04there was a
31:05police station
31:05very very
31:06close to the
31:06cash point
31:07and we knew
31:08there was a
31:08lot of money
31:08in that one
31:09I think it
31:09had just been
31:10loaded up
31:10for the
31:10bank holiday
31:11we went up
31:12to the police
31:12station
31:12and there's
31:13four cars
31:13sitting on the
31:14forecourt
31:14we let all
31:17then I got
31:18into so many
31:20things I can't
31:21remember
31:21I got into
31:23somebody was
31:25nicking
31:25travellers checks
31:26and bankers
31:27drafts out of
31:28banks
31:28me and a
31:29couple of
31:29other guys
31:30were buying
31:31stuff on
31:31them and
31:32selling them
31:32on for
31:32half the
31:33money
31:33giving it
31:35all away
31:36here
31:36doing post
31:37office
31:38breaking in
31:39the post
31:39office
31:40then blowing
31:40the safes
31:41in them
31:41doing that
31:42not when
31:43anybody was
31:43there
31:43so I didn't
31:44want anybody
31:45hurt
31:45it is
31:46exciting
31:47well it
31:48was exciting
31:49should I
31:49say
31:49cat and
31:50mouse game
31:51with the
31:51police
31:51many a
31:53times
31:53even
31:54after a
31:54cash point
31:55I've been
31:55chased
31:56by them
31:57and I've
31:57turned around
31:58and stuck
31:58my finger
31:59up at them
31:59and things
31:59like that
32:00to get them
32:01to chase
32:01me more
32:02at the time
32:03I was young
32:03then it was
32:04exciting
32:05it was a
32:05real buzz
32:05yeah
32:06when I was
32:07say from
32:0920 years
32:09old
32:09I was
32:10I don't
32:11know
32:11pulling in
32:12about 5 or
32:136 grand
32:13a week
32:13it was a
32:15long time
32:15ago
32:15it was good
32:16money
32:16and some
32:17jobs
32:17I've done
32:18some things
32:19but I've
32:19had 80
32:19grand in
32:20one go
32:20in one
32:20night
32:2180,000
32:23pounds
32:23in one
32:23night
32:23and
32:24I was
32:26living the
32:26best life
32:26to be
32:27honest
32:27a little bit
32:28stupid
32:29because I
32:29wasted a lot
32:30of it
32:30to be honest
32:31if I'm
32:31really honest
32:32I just
32:32thought
32:34if I run
32:36out of
32:36money
32:36I'll just
32:36go back
32:37tomorrow
32:37and get
32:37something else
32:38and do it
32:38again
32:38because it
32:39was so
32:39easy
32:39well not
32:40so easy
32:40but it
32:41was
32:41easy
32:43if someone
32:43knows what
32:44they're doing
32:44yeah
32:45I had a
32:47brilliant life
32:47doing it
32:48yeah
32:4825 years
32:49ago was
32:49really the
32:50last of
32:51it
32:51because
32:51all the
32:52technology
32:53was starting
32:53to come
32:53in then
32:54so then
32:55it was
32:55getting
32:55really hard
32:56to do
32:56but you
32:58wouldn't get
32:58away with it
32:59today
32:59there's too
32:59many people
33:00with phones
33:00as soon as
33:01something happens
33:01someone's
33:02videoing it
33:02you know
33:02you don't
33:03hear of people
33:04doing it
33:04anymore
33:04do you
33:04do you
33:05have anybody
33:05doing
33:06secure
33:07core vans
33:07or anything
33:08like that
33:08anymore
33:08it's all
33:09like cyber
33:10crime
33:10you know
33:11it's a
33:12completely
33:12different
33:13world
33:13which is
33:14sad really
33:14because
33:15the old
33:15times were
33:15better
33:16I don't
33:18know if
33:18there's such
33:18a thing
33:19as a good
33:19criminal
33:19I don't
33:23agree with
33:23petty
33:24criminals
33:24people who
33:25you know
33:26rob old
33:27ladies and
33:27stuff like
33:27that and
33:28nick people's
33:30handbags
33:30and you know
33:31that disgusts me
33:33I just can't
33:33stand people
33:33like that
33:34I wouldn't
33:35go into
33:35someone's
33:35house and
33:36take their
33:36possessions
33:36because I
33:38wouldn't like
33:38it done to
33:38me or
33:39any of
33:39my family
33:40I wouldn't
33:40go and
33:40rob them
33:41or do
33:41anything to
33:42them
33:42I do
33:43for the
33:45right word
33:45pride myself
33:46a bit on
33:46that it's
33:47always been
33:47big companies
33:49that I've
33:49you know
33:49I'm not going
33:51to say not
33:51miss it but
33:52it's not going
33:52to hurt them
33:53like it would
33:53anybody else
33:54if I was to
33:55look back
33:55sit back and
33:57look at me
33:57as a 32
33:58year old
33:58or even
33:58younger
33:59you know
33:59I started
34:00nicking
34:02machinery when
34:02I was 15
34:03years old
34:03I think I
34:04must have
34:04been mad
34:05crazy
34:06I must have
34:07been mad
34:07things that
34:08I've done
34:08I just
34:09can't believe
34:09myself that
34:10I've done
34:10it
34:10yeah I
34:16hadn't been
34:16to the
34:17it's now
34:17called the
34:18O2
34:18I haven't
34:18been there
34:19for years
34:19and my
34:20partner
34:20bought a
34:20couple of
34:20tickets for
34:21me to
34:21go and
34:21see
34:22Van
34:22Morrison
34:22and Jeff
34:23Beck
34:23we parked
34:24we parked
34:24up and
34:24we're
34:25walking
34:25into
34:25the
34:26O2
34:26I don't
34:28know why
34:28but I
34:28found
34:28myself
34:29checking
34:29out
34:29security
34:30looking
34:31at the
34:31perspex
34:31and
34:32Alan
34:32William
34:32door
34:33and I
34:33just had
34:34to
34:34stop
34:34and
34:34think
34:34what the
34:35are you
34:35doing
34:36and I
34:36just
34:36got on
34:37and enjoyed
34:37my
34:37evening
34:38and that
34:40did
34:40actually
34:41happen
34:41after I
34:43started
34:43the
34:44landscaping
34:44business
34:45obviously
34:46the money
34:46was
34:46completely
34:47different
34:47to what
34:47I was
34:47used
34:48to
34:48you know
34:49it was
34:50good money
34:51it was
34:51good money
34:52but it
34:52was
34:52you know
34:53it's
34:54just get
34:55buy money
34:55really
34:55you know
34:56especially
34:57when you've
34:57got a big
34:57family
34:58it's always
34:58taking money
34:59off you
34:59want this
35:00and want
35:00that
35:01but
35:01I'd done
35:02landscaping
35:03when I
35:03was a
35:05teenager
35:05actually
35:05in the
35:06open prison
35:06I was
35:06working down
35:07on the
35:07farm
35:08and so
35:08I just
35:09thought I'd
35:10go back
35:10to try
35:10landscaping
35:11again
35:11and it's
35:11worked out
35:12pretty well
35:12I've been
35:13doing it
35:13ever since
35:13I've had a
35:14lot of
35:14tattoos
35:14over the
35:15years
35:15and
35:15everyone
35:16has a
35:16story
35:17I suppose
35:17just for
35:19example
35:19I've got
35:20the diamond
35:20there
35:21so
35:22you know
35:22remind me
35:23not to
35:24do it
35:24again
35:24there's
35:26one there
35:28of a
35:28saw-knopf
35:28shotgun
35:29takes me
35:31back years
35:31that one
35:32when I
35:33used to
35:33use them
35:33yeah
35:34and these
35:35I'd done
35:35many years
35:36ago
35:36and I think
35:37really sort
35:38of reflects
35:38born by
35:40me really
35:41back then
35:41I never
35:42thought about
35:43writing a book
35:43to be honest
35:44I suppose it's
35:44taken about
35:45nine ten months
35:46to do but
35:46I'm happy with
35:47the way the
35:48book come out
35:48it sparked up
35:49a lot of
35:50emotions
35:50it's a rollercoaster
35:51of a ride
35:52I'm telling my
35:53story because
35:53I want to
35:55leave something
35:55for my
35:56family
35:58my kids
36:00or grandkids
36:00when they're
36:01older
36:01when I'm
36:02gone
36:02that was
36:03my grand
36:03I know
36:04it's not
36:04a brilliant
36:05life
36:06but at least
36:07I've been
36:07someone
36:07I'm not
36:08just every
36:08Joe on
36:09the road
36:09that goes
36:11to a
36:12nine to
36:12five job
36:12sorry
36:13I'm not
36:15normal
36:15and I'm
36:16proud of
36:17that
36:17I'm proud
36:17of the
36:17way
36:17yeah
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