In a bold and unapologetic interview with RT, MEP Fernand Kartheiser from Luxembourg reveals how the European Union's approach to Russia is backfiring ๐ช๐บ๐ฅ. After facing threats of expulsion from the EU Parliament group for visiting Moscow, Kartheiser speaks out against Europeโs diplomatic missteps, flawed sanctions, and the energy crisis affecting millions ๐๐.
He argues the EU is not isolating Russia, but rather isolating itself from global influence, losing credibility and economic strength. This eye-opening discussion explores the truth behind EU geopolitics, the growing disconnect between Brussels and reality, and the future of European diplomacy. ๐ง โ๏ธ
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00:00The co-chairman for the European Conservatives and Reformist Group in the EU Parliament has
00:07said quote by traveling to Putin's Russia Fernand you have crossed a red line for the
00:14group which will take decisive action to terminate your membership as soon as possible. Why are you
00:21being threatened for simply coming here? Let me say that on the way I didn't see
00:26see any red line but well I'm being threatened I think that for the reason
00:33that some people in the European Parliament I see even many people in the
00:37European Parliament have an attitude to Russia that that identifies Russia with
00:43big threat and they think that if we put pressure on Russia and isolate Russia
00:50diplomatically that might help to find solutions maybe in the context of the
00:54conflict in Ukraine. I think that might be one of the explanations I don't know
00:59whether it's the best one but I consider it to be the way to think but my
01:04reaction to this is the following it is not the discussion that we should have
01:09the discussion that we should have is what kind of relationship do we want
01:12with Russia in the future do we have to open the dialogue again with Russia that
01:17is the most important one and it's not about my political future in Asia I wish
01:22I could stay in Asia and I would not be punished to go for Russia but it would
01:25be considered to be normal to have a dialogue with the Russian partners and
01:29to look for solutions together I think that would be the normal attitude. Yeah
01:33diplomacy diplomacy treating people with respect but somehow during the Biden
01:38administration and even before that as well it just seems that you know the
01:42world today is lacking a serious art of diplomacy we're missing this today but
01:48meantime though Fernand you you are here in Moscow you decided to ignore the
01:53threats and and go ahead with your visit but here you're now on RT
01:56International you're not gonna make any friends back home on this channel today
01:59are you? Well no probably not but I don't want to say that I ignore the
02:04threats I don't I don't see to those but I think they are just part of the
02:09picture because it is maybe a regrettable part of the picture as you say what we
02:13need is diplomacy and accepting to have exchanges you know I'm old enough to have
02:18lift through the Cold War and in those days even though we had fundamental
02:23differences with the Soviet Union we had political exchange we had diplomacy we
02:28had cultural exchange we had all kind of contacts with the Soviet Union and in
02:34those days I would argue that the threat was much bigger than with nowadays Russia so
02:39with nowadays Russia it would be easier to find a dialogue but we do not want to
02:44have it I cannot understand yeah yeah yeah is there any chance I mean I keep my
02:49eyes across all the media outlets all across Europe you know I keep my eyes on
02:52the tabloids the yellow papers as well is there any chance that the narrative is
02:58turning a little bit in Europe I mean I hear the European leaders saying Russia bad
03:02Putin bad but the average European taxpayer are they still buying the
03:07narrative the media is selling I can tell you that I get a lot of support from
03:11the normal people so called normal people from the electorate or whatever
03:15you want to call because many people in Europe actually want peace and want to
03:19have normal relations with Russia I want to discuss if the narrative is
03:24changing maybe I see evolutions in both directions I see that some
03:28governments are becoming more aggressive I think that maybe we come later to
03:33those points but I also see that Europe European Commission or says that in some
03:38way they want to re-engage with Russian Federation but why I suppose because they
03:43want to be at the negotiating table when it comes to Ukraine so they are
03:47reengaging in some way I would say that there are tendencies in both
03:52directions and I hope that my visit can be an additional impetus in order to
03:57make things better and not worse yeah it's a fair point I appreciate that but if you look at the European Union
04:02ever since they said no more Russian energy we will not give money to Putin's
04:07war coffers that's what they said a couple of years ago look at the European
04:10economy it is in dire straits right now cheap Russian energy was the backbone of
04:15the industry there your thoughts I think that we are harming ourselves by
04:21pursuing that kind of policy we I agree that we should not be dependent on
04:27just one country for our energy supplies I think it would be wise to have maybe
04:31energy from Russia from the United States to go more into nuclear energy also and
04:35add also maybe some alternative green energies to that so that we have a
04:40diversification of our energy supply but cutting just Russia out is not a wise
04:46economic decision and I think it's also not a wise political decision because we
04:51create new dependencies on other countries American LNG for about four or five
04:56times the price right so Europe is now essentially agreeing to be force-fed
05:01American LNG for a much more expensive price I think that the trade wars that
05:06we had I'm calling the trade was that might be an exaggeration but the tariff
05:09discussions if you prefer that we had during the last weeks should show us that
05:13it is always wise I think to have a diversity of choice and not to be dependent on
05:18just one country because you expose yourself in a in a very maybe unwise way well
05:24meantime you know you talk about diversifying and you mentioned Trump's
05:27trade war I mean look at China look at bricks and all these other countries
05:30that are diversifying away from the dollar I mean you mentioned that Trump's
05:33trade war it's almost it's almost accelerating the diversification among
05:38certainly these other countries developing nations and and so on and so
05:41forth if I can come back just to this missile issue from Chancellor Mertz saying
05:46that Ukraine can use long-range missiles against Russia the Russian foreign
05:50ministry Fernando has said that if Taurus missiles are to be used that would make
05:55Germany a direct party to the conflict do you see it that way and what you
06:00expect Moscow's response well I think that that this is a defendable position I
06:07think it is basically true because it depends on how the missiles are going to
06:11be used I suppose that there will be a participation of German technicians that
06:17also in order to launch the missiles they might be dependent on the German or
06:21even maybe perhaps a US satellite data so I don't think that Ukraine as a country
06:27can manage such operation by its own so if you have foreign interference in
06:33firing missiles into a third country in this case into Russia I think that you can
06:38argue that this is a participation in some direct way in the war so I could not of
06:44course tell you how Russia is going to react to this but I would certainly see
06:48that there is a danger of a further deterioration of international relations
06:52through such acts without being sure that the the use of Taurus missiles will
06:59have an impact on the way the war will end I think that these these weapons will
07:05worsen the international climate but without having a real impact on the
07:09outcome of the conflict interesting comment there if if Russia Russian
07:15delegations and American delegations have been meeting in Istanbul and trying
07:18to find some sort of peaceful resolution in the future for Ukraine means I'm
07:22European officials seem to be trying to derail and disrupt any potential real
07:26peace talks what do you think Brussels is trying to achieve I think that they
07:32want to be part of the game what we have now internationally is that basically
07:38everybody talks to Russia we have even United States coming back and having high
07:43level contacts President Trump and President Putin might meet in person in the
07:48near future so we see that the BRICS countries are there that Russia has a
07:52little white net of contacts across the world we see that in the United Nations
07:58General Assembly the anti-Russia stance is diminishing so this policy of
08:03isolation of Russia basically has failed the only ones who are isolated in a way
08:08is the European Union itself yeah the ones yeah and and now I think that they
08:13realize this and if they want to be part of the peace negotiations they know that it
08:18can only happen if they have some kind of relationship with Russia again they are
08:23thinking about it I don't know what the outcome will be but if they want to be
08:28taken seriously as an actor in international relations they have to
08:33define a strategy that goes beyond isolation yeah you talk about an actor
08:37in international relations a lot of people say that Trump and Putin are
08:40rational actors but in Kiev there is one very irrational actor but for an and I
08:45wanted to ask you here we go for more sanctions against Russia the European Union
08:49approving now adopting the 17th not the 9th or 10th or 11th 17th package of
08:56sanctions on Russia meantime Russia in terms of PPP GDP is the fourth strongest
09:02economy in the world if you look at the list of top 10 economies in the world it
09:07used to be the G7 in the top 5 they've all dropped out now nearly all of them in
09:11the bottom of the top 10 and now you've got India China Russia and these other
09:15multi-polarity countries really coming into the fold the 17th package of
09:20sanctions on Russia do you think it's gonna work this time I don't think so you
09:24know we have an international theory we have only one case that we really know
09:28where sanctions have worked and that was the case of apartheid in South Africa and
09:33it worked because the whole world without any exceptions was condemning
09:38apartheid policy and in South Africa itself apartheid policy made no consensus and
09:44their sanctions worked but in all other cases they didn't and especially in the
09:49case of Russia which is such a huge countries with enormous resources and
09:54helped if necessary by other important countries there's no prospect that the
09:59sanctions can achieve their goals so we have a policy of imposing sanctions which
10:03come do not achieve the goal that they have been set up for and this means that we
10:10are having our economies without achieving a political result yeah someone was
10:14commenting the other day if you really want to sanction Russia if you really want
10:18to hurt Russia then allow Russia to join the EU because that's a state of
10:23affairs right now the economy going down the drain I mean what would Russia even
10:27want from either EU or Ukraine it wants its LGBTQ narrative black lives matter
10:33narrative the art you know it's just such a state of affairs meantime Ukraine is
10:38running out of manpower for an and it's trying to lure people into the army
10:42with cash and money it's it's been picking up people off the streets and
10:47throwing them into vans as Putin said like like you pick up stray dogs how much
10:51longer do you think Ukraine with its sponsors can can hold out well it depends
10:57actually on the attitude that we in the West will adopt towards Ukraine because of
11:03course we can continue to to prolong the conflict by weapon deliveries and by
11:11massive financial aid but in the end it depends in the first place I would say on
11:15on the United States because they are the first and most important supplier of
11:20weapons to Ukraine if the United States does not continue with that policy I
11:24think that it could be finished in a few months Europe cannot really replace the
11:28United States if the United States chose to to drop out then it we can do a little
11:34bit as Western Europe to continue supporting Kiev but it will also come to an end
11:39but basically it depends I would say on on the Western countries I deeply regret the
11:45human losses in this conflict it's one of the reasons why I'm so much in favor of a
11:49peace agreement as quickly as possible because I don't want Ukrainians to die I
11:54don't want Russians to die and I I'm happy that President Trump has found this
11:58formula that I find a very good one stop the killing and this is something I fully
12:03approve of it takes the politics out of it doesn't it when he when he simply says
12:06stop the killing it it kind of stops the media certainly in America the media and
12:10political landscape it kind of stops them from politicizing it it's humanity
12:15stop the killing it's you know I think it's a very strong political statement you
12:20know it reminds us of our responsibility as human beings before our
12:24responsibility as politicians so we are we are seeing this conflict we are
12:28prolonging the conflict and actually what we should do all together is to see
12:32how can we stop it so let's have negotiations and let's find a good piece of
12:36agreement that everybody can agree to hopefully and and let's stop the
12:40killing exactly as president Trump says yeah I think you make a very good point
12:43there also when you talk about the sentiment of of America and Europe here
12:48bringing the war to an end somebody commented the other day all Trump needs
12:52to do is unilaterally declare peace and say I'm done we're leaving and that
12:58person said if Trump did that the European contingent would fold in weeks I
13:03don't know your thoughts well you could formulate it like this you know but it
13:07is an oversimplification I think what what we should consider is what kind of
13:13effect does a stop of the war in Ukraine have on the European Union and of NATO
13:18on NATO we have a Western architecture now that has been influenced by the war in
13:24Ukraine in a very very strong way over many years now over several years three
13:29years and maybe even before that during the 2014 to 22 period when there was this
13:35civil war in eastern Ukraine so we have a Western political architecture that has
13:41obeyed a little bit to do to the to the necessities of this situation in Ukraine
13:47when this falls apart now when this is gone I wonder what is happening to the EU as an
13:52organization and to its foreign policy and what is going to happen to NATO knowing
13:56that the United States will focus on the Pacific and not on East Europe exactly I
14:00mean what was it Rubio who said every dollar spent in Ukraine is a dollar not
14:04spent on combating China well I don't know what what Rubio said on in this
14:08respect but I remember that he said that it is a proxy war and I think this is a
14:13very important statement because in the European Union we keep on saying this is a
14:17Russian war of aggression unprovoked unjustified so that is something that we keep on
14:22saying in the European Union whereas the United States who have had a very big
14:27role in the coming of this conflict they say well it's a proxy war and that gives
14:32them a part of the responsibility also for the war because you do not need a
14:37proxy war without an own responsibility I'm glad you brought that up you know it
14:41was actually leaked a couple of years ago that in the Western press particularly in
14:44the UK if anyone mentions Russia and Ukraine they have to say in the article
14:50Russia's full-scale invasion that those few words have to be either in the title or
14:56the opening sentence of the article this is about narratives about selling and
15:01peddling and pushing a certain narrative what did you think Fernanda it was about
15:05four or five days ago I was very surprised when I saw President Putin suggests the
15:10creation of a buffer zone now I saw in the Western press they immediately called it a
15:15land grab but I thought it was interesting that Putin and it was at work a couple days
15:19after he had the phone call with Trump that went on for two and a half hours and
15:22Trump said it was an excellent phone call but this buffer zone would seem to
15:25suggest that Russia does not want to continue any further west and would in a
15:31sense put its stakes where it is now and then create a hundred kilometer buffer
15:35zone just when you heard that how did you interpret that well you know that I
15:40don't want to interpret the word buffer zone what I'm telling everybody and I
15:46think that what we should also say here tonight is that an important issue for
15:51Russia is its security on the western border that that is the point maybe
15:55buffer zone is a way to achieve this maybe a non membership of NATO for Ukraine a
16:01neutral status for Ukraine is a way to achieve this that's up to negotiations but
16:06what is important for Russia to reach at the outcome of this conflict is a
16:10security system that guarantees the security of its Western border and we
16:15have to take that into account we have also as Western Europeans our security
16:19interests we have to I think we have to avoid an arms race for instance which would
16:25cost enormously and it's not necessary we have had that in the Cold War and we
16:29came finally to treat the system with conventional forces in Europe with
16:34confidence building measures we should think in that way and we should also then find
16:38arrangements for the for the Russian security and of course for the Ukrainian
16:43security that's good point there Fernand I and you mentioned the Western
16:46border regions of Russia Kursk for example there is this great achievement
16:51recently a thousand POWs exchange between Moscow and Kiev but as I understand a
16:56number of the POWs that were swapped from the Ukrainian side weren't soldiers at
17:01all they were residents there were civilians from Kursk who had been abducted and then
17:07they were used in a swap for true POWs true soldier POWs why do you think Kiev had
17:15Russian civilians on their side of the swap well you know the point that I would
17:22like to make I met myself a military man I was for a long time and what is very
17:27important in every armed conflict as to lead it in a way that is as humane as
17:32possible in a very inhumane situation we have international rules on this we have
17:39the Geneva conventions that govern the way to lead a war and actually that are
17:45also designed to protect the civilian population you cannot take civilian
17:50hostages you can of course not murder civilians they are non-combatants and we
17:54have to make sure that every part every every war-faring nation or making any armed
18:01conflict has to abide by the Geneva conventions this is valid for Russia of
18:06course but it is also valid for Ukraine and we have had a discussion during my
18:11stay here I raised it several times also on war crimes I know that in Russia and
18:16and and my interlocutors have reassured me that this very seriously dealt with and
18:21they have investigation committees here in Russia to see whether the Russian armed
18:24forces are behaving correctly or not but we we have to to take into account that this
18:30has also to be made on the Ukrainian side I think it is a matter for the
18:35international community and indeed for every human being to make sure that the
18:39aid there should not be any war crimes and be if there are any they have to be
18:43fully investigated and people responsible for those have to be brought to try yes I
18:47understand our Russia has requested a very soon to happen meeting at the UN
18:52Security Council in New York I think this is one of the issues they're raising up
18:55about civilian casualties civilian infrastructure and civilians being
18:59abducted as well Fernanda I wanted to ask you and it's so good to have you here
19:03thank you so much for joining me by the way I'm very happy that you're so good to
19:06have your commentary there was a story leaked to the New York Times some weeks
19:11ago that Donald Trump was maybe considering withdrawing a certain number of
19:15American troops out of Eastern Europe out of these NATO bases and back to
19:19America that story was leaked it was published and then it kind of went quiet
19:24what are your thoughts on an idea like that would it help would it is it
19:29something that Putin would like to see happen do you think America pulling
19:33soldiers out of these old NATO bases in Eastern Europe well I cannot talk about
19:39President Putin's views on this but I can tell you that we as Western Europeans we
19:44have to expect this because the new American administration has made very clear
19:48that their priorities Asia Pacific they perceive China maybe as a threat more
19:53than Russia obviously so we Europeans have to realize and that also relates to
20:00what I said earlier we are not sure about the future of NATO how NATO will
20:03evolve in the future because this withdrawal of American troops from Europe is I
20:09think certain to come do you really you're convinced it will happen I think so
20:13because you know the size of the US army is of course much bigger than than what we
20:20Western Europeans normally are used to but of course it's it's not a size that would
20:25allow the United States to envisage now a conflict simultaneously with China and
20:30Russia so we have to expect that they have to concentrate on one theater and this
20:35also explains why they expect us Western Europeans to spend much more on defense because they say well you have to take a part of the
20:43responsibility my answer to this is if it's if it is like this and if we Western
20:48Europeans expected to take a larger responsibility for our own security well
20:54one way to assure this is by negotiating an agreement with Russia ensuring at the
21:01same time our security as Western Europeans and guaranteeing the security of
21:06Russia's Western border so negotiation and diplomacy before rearmament and arms race I see I see
21:12you are out on a limb I think fair to say for an end by not just coming to Russia and upsetting some of
21:19your colleagues back in Europe your political colleagues but here you are as
21:23well on RT International of course we've been blocked in many Western countries the
21:27governments there do not want the taxpayers knowing what we're saying here on
21:31Russian television but some people are saying we are witnessing a slow change in
21:37the tide of narratives I don't know but you know I see you coming here for an end are you
21:42alone in your sentiment among your European Parliament members is the anti-Russia sentiment
21:47still rampantly strong or is there any shift among your political colleagues well let me say
21:53first about the censorship and I'm very much opposed to censorship I just wanted to remind you of the
21:59Istanbul declaration of 1999 that we we took that in the OSCE and there was very one very important
22:06in paragraph 23 26 I don't remember exactly on the freedom of media actually we promised that we
22:12would allow each other free access to our media I can't tell you now exactly the wording I don't
22:19remember but I just wanted to raise this I stick by this I think it's very important that everybody can
22:23be informed fully on on the other side's views that helps now in the European Parliament I know that there are many
22:32colleagues we are 720 I can't I can't tell you how many if it is 50 or maybe 100 I don't know who have
22:41a different perspective and maybe there are more who are thinking about it but I deeply regret that the
22:48general mood there in the European Parliament is still very much oriented towards a kind of confrontation
22:56against Russia and it is put in a way that we are standing by Ukraine but you can stand by Ukraine and
23:03Ukraine's people and negotiate a peace agreement and support them economically for instance and on
23:09humanitarian ways without necessarily going against Russia I think that there are always ways in order to
23:18find reasonable approaches to a conflict and this is something that I would like to work on well it's
23:24something that I think a lot of us would like to see happen but meantime when you have someone like
23:28the UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer who comes out saying we will support and defend Ukraine for the
23:33next 100 years how many billions a year that's going to cost how many pensioners are going to pass away
23:40in the in the British cold winters you know that no one's got any money anymore and yet there's no money
23:45for to rebuild the bridges there's no money to protect the pensioners but there's always money for war
23:50Fernand I just want to say on a personal level I really respect the fact that a you're here in Russia
23:55be you're clearly aware of which is the right side of history to be on and see you've graced us with
24:02your presence here at RT International here in Moscow and it's so good to hear you addressing both sides of
24:08today's top issues Fernand Kartheiser joining us here on RT International it's absolute pleasure a member of the European
24:15parliament from Luxembourg I wish you the best of luck in your future endeavors and thank you for
24:19your time thank you Rory for this interview and the interest in my modest person it's been lovely
24:24really a real pleasure thank you so much thank you