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00:00Hi, everyone.
00:29I'm Judge Andrew Napolitano here for Judging Freedom.
00:32Today is Thursday, June 19th, 2025.
00:36My dear friend and great asset to the show, Colonel Douglas McGregor joins us now.
00:41Colonel McGregor, no matter what we're talking about in these topics, are not happy.
00:46It's a pleasure to be able to have the benefit of your analysis.
00:49Thank you for accommodating my schedule today.
00:52How did Prime Minister Netanyahu dislodge President Trump from the thinking of his own intelligence
01:02community, MI6, and even Mossad, and belatedly the IAEA that Iran does not have and is not
01:13working on a nuclear weapon?
01:15How did Netanyahu turn Trump around on that to the point where he publicly rebuked his
01:22director of national intelligence saying, I don't care what she says, I'll believe what
01:25I want to believe?
01:27First, I think we need to understand that whatever Tulsi Gabbard says is her opinion.
01:33She's a senior advisor on intelligence to the president, but she's not the only one.
01:38And we have to go back to the Central Intelligence Agency.
01:42And as far as I've been able to discern, nothing, absolutely nothing has changed in the Central
01:48Intelligence Agency in terms of its findings that ultimately shaped national policy since
01:54Donald Trump took over.
01:55That means that you've got to go back over the last five years.
02:00Obviously, we don't have access to those findings directly, but those findings have not changed.
02:06So Tulsi Gabbard's opinion, while I certainly value it, and I'm confident that she's telling
02:12the truth, is something that he can wave off and express complete disinterest in.
02:18That's very easy.
02:20And that's not the first time we've had presidents that dismissed intelligence findings left and
02:25right.
02:26I mean, we've got to go all the way back to the summer of 1941 when FDR directed the Navy to
02:33maintain the Pacific fleet at Pearl Harbor.
02:36And the commander in chief of naval forces in the Pacific immediately wrote to the president
02:41and said, this is a serious mistake.
02:43We're presenting a target array for the Japanese, even though we don't think the Japanese will
02:48attack Pearl Harbor.
02:49At that point, everybody thought they'd attack the Philippines.
02:52And President Roosevelt said, thank you very much.
02:57Keep the fleet where it is.
02:58So we've had presidents wave this kind of thing off before.
03:03And I don't know that Mr. Netanyahu had to work very hard.
03:07I think he's got right now in the Senate and in the intelligence community inside the White House,
03:13large numbers of people who are telling President Trump, Iran is really a pushover.
03:19It's not strong.
03:20We can crush it.
03:21And you need to go ahead with this.
03:23This is in the interest of Israel and the United States.
03:26Obviously, I don't think it has anything to do with the interest of the United States.
03:29But I think that's where we are.
03:30But these arguments, which I agree, are being made ferociously by members of the Congress.
03:39These are political arguments.
03:40They're not based on intel.
03:42Surely these members of Congress don't have intel that contradicts what CIA, MI6, and even Mossad have found.
03:50Well, we don't know that MI6, Mossad, and the CIA are all 100% in agreement.
03:57What we do know is we have a long, long record of assessments that inevitably come down on the point that Iran doesn't have a weapon.
04:07Now, that may not make any difference in any case to Mr. Netanyahu and, frankly, Mr. Trump at this point.
04:13Their view may be, well, why should we wait around another six months, another six years for Iran to acquire such a weapon?
04:21And so we might as well strike now and preempt this.
04:24And we're talking about a preemptive war.
04:26Remember, Israel preempted everything, preempted the negotiations, and started the war.
04:32We're simply joining it as a co-belligerent.
04:35Effectively, we're already in it, but now we're a co-belligerent.
04:38And there are all sorts of insane notions that this is somehow or another going to contribute to containing China, of all things.
04:46And, of course, you've got people that are convinced that China and Russia are permanent enemies of the United States that have to be crushed, have to be contained.
04:55All of this is bound up in the same sort of set of fantasies about Iran.
05:00Chris, play the CNN montage.
05:08Do we have that?
05:10Of Prime Minister Netanyahu.
05:12Colonel, this goes back 30 years, his claiming that Iran is within days and weeks, 30 years, of a nuclear weapon.
05:26And watch this.
05:26The deadline for attaining this goal is getting extremely close.
05:32And Iran, by the way, is also outpacing Iraq in the development of ballistic missile systems
05:37that they hope will reach the eastern seaboard of the United States within 15 years.
05:42By next spring, at most, by next summer, at current enrichment rates, they will have finished the medium enrichment and move on to the final stage.
05:55From there, it's only a few months, possibly a few weeks, before they get enough enriched uranium for the first bomb.
06:04The foremost sponsor of global terrorism could be weeks away from having enough enriched uranium for an entire arsenal of nuclear weapons.
06:14That would place a militant Islamic terror regime weeks away from having the fissile material for an entire arsenal of nuclear bombs.
06:25If not stopped, Iran could produce a nuclear weapon in a very short time.
06:30It could be a year, it could be within a few months, less than a year.
06:36None of that is true, is it?
06:38No.
06:39But we have to admit that he's had enormous success.
06:43Yes.
06:43In mind that he was able to drag us into Iraq on a false pretext.
06:48And in front of Newt Gingrich and Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz made a statement, straight up,
06:56we just want to get the U.S. Army into Iraq.
07:00That's what we want.
07:02We don't care about anything else.
07:03Our goal is to get the army into Iraq.
07:06They got the army into Iraq.
07:08And of course, the whole thing was a catastrophe.
07:10We're going to see something far, far worse once we go to war with Iran,
07:14which effectively we're already in hostilities with Iran, but this will be a direct attack.
07:19And it's going to have terrible consequences, because it's not going to work out as planned.
07:25Colonel, how badly did Israel damage Iran's defenses?
07:32Well, the initial assault seemed to be effective.
07:49And we lose sight of certain realities.
07:53Let's assume that you managed to kill the top five or seven or ten people.
07:58They are simply going to be replaced.
08:00And in many cases, they could end up being infinitely more capable and more courageous and innovative than the people they're replacing.
08:07Stalin killed 34,000 to 35,000 officers in the Soviet Army just before the Germans invaded.
08:15And ultimately, it turned out to work to Soviet advantage, because the general officers that then emerged were infinitely better than most of the people that Stalin had shot.
08:24This is a false notion.
08:26Then this is bound up with the regime change myth, that somehow or another people, millions of Iranians, are going to turn on their own government and beg Israel and the United States to come invade their country and govern them.
08:40It's all sheer lunacy.
08:41Did the Israelis substantially damage Iran's nuclear enrichment capability for civilian purposes, Iran's air defenses, Iran's offensive weaponry?
09:02Well, it seems as it's pretty clear that the integrated air defenses were rapidly repaired and placed back into operation
09:10within the first 24 hours.
09:13And that certainly surprised me.
09:16I did not think they would rebound as quickly as they did, but they did.
09:19As far as the nuclear facilities themselves are concerned, there are at least three known.
09:25There may be others.
09:27But the one that was damaged has since been repaired.
09:31Is it still vulnerable?
09:32I'm sure it is.
09:33The other two, Pickaxe and Fodor, are not very vulnerable.
09:38And I'm sure there will be an attempt to hit them.
09:41But I don't think it's going to work out.
09:43You know, these are very complex operations, Judge, involving not just a single weapon or two or three weapons,
09:50but involving air and naval power on a strategic level.
09:55Anything can go wrong.
09:57And then, of course, we still have the 40,000 U.S. soldiers, sailors, airmen, and potentially some Marines on the ground in the Middle East.
10:05What happens to them?
10:07We can't protect them.
10:08That's an established fact.
10:09So as we go ahead with this, since we can't protect them, we have to assume that there'll be targets and we'll take severe losses.
10:16We haven't even talked about the surface vessels that are in the Red Sea, the Mediterranean, or the Indian Ocean that can be targeted since they can be found.
10:24And if it can be targeted, they are at risk of being destroyed.
10:28Can the United States—I never even knew this existed, Colonel—30,000-pound bombs?
10:37Do we have these?
10:40Well, of course.
10:40If we drop them, can they destroy the underground Iran nuclear enrichment facilities?
10:49Well, contrary to popular belief, there are different opinions on that subject.
10:54The 30,000-pound bombs may be effective, and they may not.
10:59There are numbers of people who insist they won't be, particularly when it comes to pickaxe and Fodor.
11:04That the mountains that they have to penetrate and the concrete barriers that have been established are simply too great.
11:12There are people arguing that you have to use a low-yield nuclear weapon to do the job with minimal radiation or residual radiation that could potentially work.
11:26I don't know.
11:28I'm not an Air Force armaments expert.
11:31I have no idea.
11:32But I simply warn that whatever our expectations are, we should probably scale them back.
11:40How badly did Iran damage Israel's defenses and damage Israel itself with Iran's retaliation?
11:49Do we know?
11:50Because I know the Israelis are not making this apparent and suppressing the news.
11:56Well, you have seen the quote from Ben Gavir, because he was asked, why are you turning now to the Americans so soon?
12:05This is after the first 72 hours.
12:08And he said, because we didn't understand or appreciate the enormous striking power of the Iranian missile arsenal.
12:18So I think the Israelis are in bad shape.
12:21About a third of Tel Aviv has been damaged or destroyed.
12:23And I'm sure that that will continue.
12:26As far as their military installations are concerned, I'm told that they're flying a lot of aircraft out of the country.
12:33Many are being flown to Cyprus in order to avoid being struck.
12:37I think Israel is on the ropes, to be blunt.
12:40It has only a few days left in terms of anti-missile missiles, in other words, air defense capability.
12:48And some people have described to me, they're on the ground over there, the Iron Dome as a giant sieve.
12:54The Iron Dome is a giant sieve.
12:58How will, let's say President Trump does order these 30,000 pound bombs to be dropped and whatever other military coordination is necessary to effectuate them and all hell breaks loose.
13:13How do you expect Russia, China, Pakistan to react?
13:21First of all, you're talking about at least 100 aircraft that will be employed if you go after these nuclear sites.
13:28Because it's not just a function of a B-2 or B-1 bomber flying overhead and dropping munitions.
13:34You have to suppress enemy air defenses, or at least try to.
13:39You try to knock out whatever you can in terms of radars and air defenses to clear the way, create a corridor, if you will, that will allow these aircraft to approach close enough to deliver their weapons.
13:51So this is a major operation.
13:53I think the Chinese, the Russians, everyone will wait to see how this first operation comes off.
14:01And then I suspect that in addition to the entire Islamic world, which will line up with Iran against Israel and the United States,
14:10I think the Chinese and the Russians will then decide just exactly what they want to do and what will be helpful.
14:17But keep in mind that the Chinese and the Russians are not interested in going to the next level.
14:23That is going beyond a regional war and making this thing global.
14:27They would prefer not to do that.
14:29So whatever they do will be a function of how this first phase of the operation is carried out.
14:36Do you give credence to the reports that Pakistan might use its nuclear weaponry to attack the Netanyahu regime?
14:48I think that Pakistan would certainly turn over nuclear warheads to another Muslim country under this kind of threat.
14:57For many, many years, the Pakistanis have made it clear to their friends in Ankara that they would provide the Turks with nuclear warheads that the Turks could then mate to missiles and use if necessary.
15:10What no one expected was that a Sunni Muslim country like Pakistan that has a certain amount of friction with Iran because it's a Shia state would also do the same thing for Iran.
15:23But I suspect they will.
15:25In other words, I don't think Pakistan will launch something from Pakistan.
15:29Pakistan, whatever happens, it will come from another location, probably in Iran or somewhere else nearby and therefore be used against us and Israel.
15:41Now, when I say us, we're not really representing target arrays at this point for nuclear weapons.
15:49And I don't think to suppress us or damage us, the Iranians need a nuclear weapon.
15:54If there were a nuclear weapon involved, it would only come in response to something the Israelis did.
16:00And if the Israelis use a nuclear weapon, they can bet 100 percent that one will be thrown back at them.
16:09We if the United States, if Donald Trump, the president of the United States, decides to wage a serious and substantial attack on Iran.
16:23Is the United States mainland where you and I and people we know and love and work with and three hundred and thirty million other Americans live at risk?
16:35Yes, we still have the strategic soft underbelly of the United States.
16:40It's a place called Mexico and the Caribbean Basin.
16:44And any number of things could find their way into the United States from that region.
16:49We've got probably 30, 30 to 31 million people in the United States about whom we know absolutely nothing that came in over the last four years.
17:00And as director of national intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard pointed out months ago, we don't know anything about them, but we know that they include many terrorists and criminal organizations from the Middle East and Central America.
17:13And we should expect that they will manifest themselves.
17:17Now, how will they do it?
17:18Where will they do it?
17:20I don't know.
17:21But we've got numerous nuclear power stations, power grids.
17:25And as you know, we have people that are vulnerable in all sorts of places, malls and elsewhere.
17:31So any number of terrible things could happen.
17:34And it's interesting to me that people are trying to make fun or mock, make fun of or mock the Iranians for their inability to keep out intelligence agents from operating inside their country.
17:48Well, Iran is a little less than half the size of the United States.
17:53We are enormous with borders and coastal waters that stretch for thousands of miles.
18:00We haven't even controlled those borders or coastal waters very well for years.
18:05Anyone who thinks that we are somehow or another invulnerable to this kind of activity is crazy.
18:11I'm sure there are all sorts of cells operating inside the United States that could pose very serious risk to us.
18:17And I think we ought to take it very seriously.
18:20Hopefully, President Trump is being told about it.
18:23You know, how many millions of illegals that include terrorists or criminals are we dealing with?
18:30Out of 31 million, is it 500,000, 100,000, 200,000?
18:35And we have no more than 21,000 ICE officers?
18:39Are we kidding ourselves?
18:41We're in a lot of trouble, Judge.
18:44Would Iran have an easy time of attacking the American troops that are in the Middle East?
18:56Well, I don't know if I would call it an easy time, but could they be attacked and could we sustain thousands of casualties?
19:01The answer is absolutely.
19:02These bases stretch across Jordan, down through what we used to call the Shia Crescent or Mesopotamia, down into Qatar, Bahrain, and other locations, even in Saudi Arabia, where we have airfields and air bases.
19:20And the Iranians have made it very clear that if any of these states offer their bases to American access, that they're at risk.
19:29We also don't know what would happen in Jordan.
19:32That's a very tenuous place right now.
19:35The population there is very explosive in its attitudes, and the violence that could break out there could also affect us.
19:42I don't know what the Shiite militias and others in the region would do to our remaining bases in Syria or Iraq, but I don't think it would be friendly.
19:52Chris, can you play – I don't know the number, forgive me, the number of the – President Trump on Air Force One on Sunday night when he was asked about the testimony of Tulsi Gabbard.
20:07You know, Tulsi Gabbard's – Chris, he's so good at this – has taken Director Gabbard's testimony and put it into what President Trump said.
20:18So you're going to see a reporter question him, his partial answer, Director Gabbard's testimony under oath, and then a zinger from the President.
20:29You've always said that you don't believe Iran should be able to have a nuclear weapon, but how close do you personally think that they were to getting one?
20:37Because Tulsi Gabbard –
20:38Very close.
20:38Tulsi Gabbard testified in March that the intelligence community said Iran wasn't building a nuclear weapon.
20:44The IC continues to assess that Iran is not building a nuclear weapon.
20:47I don't care what she said. I think they were very close to having it.
20:50I think they were very close. All right, he gets it from some other source. Should she resign because of his public admonition of her statement?
21:03Her statement wasn't just a personal opinion. It was a professional assessment based upon the work of thousands of intelligence officers.
21:11Well, Judge, let's be frank. Arrogance and self-delusion always triumph over reason.
21:18That's what we're watching in Washington, D.C. Just as we heard yesterday the utterly ridiculous statement by Senator Cruz that if we don't find a way to destroy Iran, we'll be fighting them in New York City or something.
21:36This is reminiscent of LBJ making similarly ridiculous statements about the VC, the Viet Cong, and North Vietnam.
21:43If we don't fight them there, they'll come here. We heard at the time the four-star General Abizade make the same comments.
21:51The tragedy is that President Trump has joined the Uniparty, and he is going along with what the Senate and the CIA and others want.
22:01Tulsi Gabbard has stated the truth as far as she knows it, and I happen to think that she's correct.
22:06That takes a lot of guts, but she, unfortunately, is one voice in what is otherwise a wilderness in Washington.
22:15And if he presses ahead, as I think he will, and launches these attacks, then I think Tulsi Gabbard is faced with a very serious question.
22:24How much longer do you want to be part of this?
22:26Because, ultimately, you have no influence, no impact, and this is a runaway train that you cannot conceivably stop.
22:35Are you of the understanding, Colonel, that elements in the American intelligence community are trying to isolate or get rid of her?
22:45Oh, I'm sure. Absolutely.
22:47One of the things that I think President Trump learned during his first term was that the federal bureaucracy and the people that dominated it and the people that controlled the Hill, the Israel lobby and others,
22:59and the military-industrial complex that we talk about that is very much a part of this whole establishment pushing for war, were against him.
23:09He found that out. He's decided this time around to join them, presumably because he discovered that he couldn't beat them.
23:18I can't figure out any other reason why he would have done so, and I think he has decided to believe those around him.
23:25You know, there's this very dangerous but seductive argument.
23:29Oh, Iran is weak. Iran can't really do anything. They're incompetent.
23:34Don't you remember hearing something like that about Russia just a few years ago?
23:39And everyone said the same thing.
23:42Ukrainians were winning. Ukraine will triumph.
23:45The same people are making the same arguments right now about Iran.
23:49And I think it's a very dangerous argument to make, and I think it's going to lead to disaster.
23:54And I'm sure that Tulsi Gabbard has reached the same conclusion.
23:58But I see absolutely no evidence that she can throw herself in front of this on-rushing locomotive and stop it.
24:06Colonel, a mutual friend of ours, Tucker Carlson, who's courageous beyond compare and not afraid of controversy,
24:22just interviewed the neocon Senator Ted Cruz, and by almost every view of this interview, demolished him.
24:32We're going to play a little clip. Some of it is about Ukraine, but all of it is about the current foreign policy.
24:41And I see an unending string of foreign policy disasters that have impoverished and hurt our country.
24:45Unending string.
24:46An unending string. They would include Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, and our inability to stop the Houthis, by the way, in Yemen,
24:54which exposes us as weak, and I grieve over that.
24:56So these are failures. You helped preside over some of them as a member of the Senate.
25:01What failures, foreign policy failures, have I presided over?
25:05Well, we were unable to beat Russia in the war that you supported against Russia.
25:09You've been spending the last three years telling us that Vladimir Putin is evil and we're going to beat him with other people's children,
25:16and a million of those kids are now dead. You've never apologized for that. That was a false failure.
25:20By the way, look, the number of falsehoods you lay out just in one statement are rather stunning.
25:25You haven't supported the war against Russia?
25:28Yeah. Are rather stunning. So the war against Russia was caused, which I have explained in great detail, by Joe Biden's weakness.
25:38But you supported the war.
25:39If you want to talk, we can talk Russia and Ukraine. I'm happy to talk about it.
25:44Do you think that's been a success?
25:45No, it's been an absolute disaster.
25:47OK, but you supported it. Shouldn't you apologize?
25:49No, you should apologize.
25:50God, I'm not going to engage in the demanding of apologize.
25:53So I'm like, that's my point is all these failures and no one ever says I'm sorry.
25:58Do you just throw out like you if you want to talk, we can talk.
26:02OK, I do. I want to know why that seems like a true disaster for the United States.
26:07Somebody that gets to whisper into the president's ear whenever he wants, along with his buddies, Richard Blumenthal, Tom Cotton and, of course, Lindsey Graham.
26:19Well, as you and I have talked before, people on the Hill tend on the whole to be fugitives from accountability.
26:26And you just listen to one of the best.
26:29He's never responsible for anything, despite the fact that he's been instrumental in many of these failures, if not all of them.
26:38But he's going to always stand back.
26:40And until everything goes south, he's going to say everything is great.
26:46And when it goes south, he's going to turn around and say, well, I never really supported that.
26:50And I warned the president.
26:52You wait and see, especially with what we're about to do now.
26:56He and the rest of his peers.
26:59This entire Washington establishment is corrupt.
27:03No American buys it.
27:06Americans are disgusted, but they don't know what to do about it.
27:08You saw the Charlie Kirk poll where he asked about support for a war with Iran.
27:15Something like 90 plus percent of the people responding.
27:19And remember, he represents this sort of Christian evangelical right.
27:24Ninety percent of people that responded said, no, we don't want anything to do with the war against Iran.
27:29And it made absolutely no difference.
27:31And it makes no difference what you and I say or anyone else in the United States at the moment.
27:37We have no influence.
27:38We are not represented.
27:40That's very clear.
27:41Ted Cruz is responding to the people that pay him, the people that subsidize him, the people that keep him in office.
27:50He wants to stay in office and he's going to say what he does until it falls apart.
27:56And when it does, he's going to say, well, I always warned against this.
28:00You and I are staring at this debt bomb.
28:03We're waiting for the bond market to completely implode.
28:07We're on the edge of the financial abyss more now than it ever in our history.
28:13We're going to fall into it.
28:14It's inevitable.
28:15The whole thing is going to crash.
28:17And suddenly there will be no one in Washington, D.C. who's responsible.
28:22Here's somebody in Washington, D.C. who refuses to say whether or not he will.
28:31No, that's the different cut.
28:32You'll appreciate this.
28:34Senator Slotkin of Michigan interrogating the secretary of defense.
28:40Have you given the order for to be able to shoot at unarmed protesters in any way?
28:48I'm just asking the question.
28:50Don't laugh.
28:50Like the whole country.
28:52And by the way, my colleagues.
28:54What is that based on?
28:55What evidence would you have that an order like that has ever been given?
28:58Giving that order to your predecessor, to a Republican secretary of defense, who I give a lot of credit to because he didn't accept the order.
29:06He had more guts and balls than you because he said, I'm not going to send in the uniformed military to do something that I know in my gut isn't right.
29:14He was asked to shoot at their legs.
29:16He wrote that in his book.
29:17That's not hearsay.
29:18So you're poo-pooing of this.
29:20It just shows you don't understand who we are as a country, who we are.
29:25And all of my colleagues across the aisle, especially the ones that served, should want an apolitical military and not want citizens to be scared of their own military.
29:34I love the military.
29:35I served alongside my whole life.
29:37So I'm worried about you tainting it.
29:40Have you given the order?
29:41Have you given the order that they can use lethal force against honor?
29:45I want the answer to be no.
29:46Please tell me it's no.
29:47Have you given the order?
29:49Senator, I'd be careful what you read in books and believing it, except for the Bible.
29:53Oh, my God.
29:56Oh, my God is right that the Secretary of Defense would respond to that.
30:01He refused to say, I have not given the order and continued with a smirk, snarky, childlike, absurd response.
30:11How can you even respond to that?
30:14It's so childish.
30:16Well, Judge, the right answer is as follows.
30:19I have with me a copy of the rules of engagement that were issued to the Marines before they were employed in support of federal and local police.
30:31And I'd be happy to read it, or you can simply place it into the record, and it specifies those circumstances which are extreme and probably unanticipated, but you have to decide early on what they look like.
30:49You have to say, under the following circumstances, you, as an individual serving, soldier, sailor, airman, marine, whatever it is, may respond with lethal force if the conditions meet the following criteria.
31:06One, two, three, four.
31:08This is a very serious matter.
31:10We take it very seriously.
31:12Yes, that's why he shouldn't be making a joke out of it, and he should relish the opportunity to answer, as you've described.
31:20Yeah, that should have been his answer.
31:22Now, why he made the flippant comment about, be careful what you read in books, I don't know.
31:29Were we discussing any books in particular?
31:31I don't think Slotkin was referencing a particular book.
31:35Maybe she was, and I missed that.
31:36I think she was referencing former Defense Secretary Mark Esper's book, written after he left office, that the president ordered him to order troops,
31:49to fire at demonstrators' legs, and he, unarmed demonstrators, and he rejected the order.
31:56I think that's what she was referring to.
31:59And the Secretary of State, who is a graduate of Princeton University, as you know, I am as well, says,
32:05be careful what you read in books.
32:07This is preposterous.
32:10Well, what would have been more appropriate is that, you know, as the Secretary of Defense right now, I cannot judge the veracity of that claim.
32:18That is something that passed, presumably, between Secretary Esper and the president.
32:23So I would take it up with them.
32:26I have received no such guidance under any circumstances from the president today.
32:32In other words, stick with, you know, stick with the facts.
32:38He has no idea what Esper said or President Trump said.
32:43He, you know, how do you judge that?
32:45You can't.
32:46Forget it.
32:47I would simply say, Senator, I can't judge that, the veracity.
32:51I can simply say I have received no such order.
32:53But I do have these rules of engagement.
32:57They have been carefully vetted.
32:59We have attorneys who go through this, as well as senior officers, to ensure that our soldiers, sailors, airmen, or Marines know what they can and can't do
33:08and are in a position to protect themselves if they are subjected to violence that could cause their loss of life.
33:17In other words, everybody sits down and puts this together.
33:20This is pro forma.
33:21That's what you do in the defense establishment.
33:24And that's what he should have presented to her.
33:26I don't know why he didn't have it with him.
33:29Maybe he doesn't take his job that seriously.
33:33Colonel, thank you very much.
33:35These are unpleasant topics that we're discussing, but you handle them with grace and with an extraordinary amount of knowledge and, as usual, your personal and professional courage.
33:47Thank you, Colonel.
33:48We'll look forward to seeing you again soon.
33:50All the best.
33:51Thanks, George.
33:51I've said this many times.
33:56A great man whose personal friendship and professional collaboration are a gift to all of you who get to listen to him once and sometimes twice a week on this program and to me personally.
34:10Coming up later today at 1 o'clock this afternoon, what is Europe's involvement in all of this with Professor Glenn Deason?
34:19And at 2 o'clock this afternoon, he is furious and we'll let him emote his fury.
34:26Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson.
34:27Judge Napolitano for Judging Freedom.
34:29We'll see you next time.
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