00:00Let me start here. Despite the president's repeated reference, can we just start this
00:06conversation by agreeing that Afrikaners are not facing genocide?
00:11Absolutely not. First of all, I have to correct the facts, Victor. You said that no refugees
00:17were let in. Under President Donald Trump, since January 20th, 8,666 individuals have
00:24been granted asylum. Those people have faced persecution for their politics, persecution
00:29for the color of their skin, their religion. And that includes those 59 Afrikaners who came
00:35in this country last week who have faced racial violence at the hand of their own government.
00:40They've had their land seized because of the color of their skin. There's been over 140 laws
00:46enacted that are race-based and to discriminate against racial minorities. So I got to correct
00:52the facts where you're wrong, Victor, and you're wrong. Several things. President Ramaphosa
00:56says that although the law was signed in January that would give the government the purview to
01:04take the land, no land has been taken from Afrikaners. Also, that's President Ramaphosa.
01:11He'll be at the White House this week. Take it up with him. Also, the definition of genocide
01:16is aimed at extermination, right? And so although there is violence in South Africa,
01:24there's violence against black South Africans too. So when the president says that there is
01:29genocide, where is the evidence? The U.S. has not recognized officially genocide. The United
01:36Nations has not recognized genocide. And for the thousands of people who you say were let into
01:42this country who've been granted asylum, I'm talking under the refugee resettlement program,
01:47which the president froze by executive order early in his administration.
01:52Victor, can we take a pause and recognize the fact that you are defending race-based
01:57discrimination? You are defending race-based violence.
02:01I'm not defending race-based discrimination in any way. The president uses the term genocide.
02:07There is no genocide in South Africa. And frankly, it does a disservice to people in countries around
02:14the world who are facing genocide in the Congo, in Sudan, those who faced it in Rwanda and Bosnia
02:21and Cambodia. So when the president says that there's genocide in South Africa, it does not exist.
02:28We should probably just start with that truth.
02:31Okay. If you're going to allow me on your program, I'd like to speak.
02:34Again, we have invited, we have granted asylum to 8,666 individuals since January 20th, regardless
02:44of color or creed. It is quite frankly disturbing to me that members of the media, including people
02:51who are on this very network, are trying to whitewash the facts and whitewash the fact that these
02:57individuals have faced discrimination, racial violence, the seizure of their land based on nothing
03:03but their skin color alone. This is the United States of America, a land of opportunity,
03:08and we will help those who are facing persecution from the government of South Africa.
03:14So you clearly are not going to acknowledge there's no genocide in South Africa. What about the
03:21genocide in the Congo? Will there be this expedited path available to the Congolese and to the
03:31Sudanese who are facing actual genocide? Again, Victor, 8,666 individuals have been granted
03:39asylum. You have a specific number?
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