The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Season 2 Episode 4
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00:00It's so high up.
00:02You're so cute.
00:06Can you make me coffee?
00:11I'm the luckiest guy. I've said it from day one.
00:14Cameron's my boyfriend. He seriously is the best.
00:17Me and Cameron's connection is a lot different than me and my ex's
00:19because I feel like he genuinely sees me and cares for how I feel in every situation.
00:24And I'm just so grateful for him that he came into my life.
00:27This place is so cute.
00:29Soda, ice cream, shakes.
00:32I'll try a milkshake.
00:34That looks so good, actually.
00:36Is that beer?
00:37Should I try it? First time?
00:38You should try it for the first time.
00:40I still can't believe you've never tried it once in your life.
00:42I've never tasted it.
00:43Cameron's dad is a bishop, so his family is very strong in the church,
00:46which makes him a bit conservative when it comes to certain things.
00:49I don't know. I'm not intrigued.
00:51You said you do have a freaking mead gummy.
00:53Well, I never said I would.
00:55You did!
00:56Like, if I'm going to try it, I'm not going to smoke.
00:59But if I was going to try it, I would do an edible and a smoky.
01:02I think we should try it.
01:04All right, we'll see.
01:05And then you're going to get the munchies, and it's so fun.
01:08Things are going really great with Cameron.
01:10I feel like our sex life is good, but I've still yet to experience an orgasm with a partner.
01:15That's something that I really want for myself,
01:17but something that's kind of ingrained in our church,
01:19that you're not really supposed to enjoy sex until you're married.
01:22And I think that that put a constant shame in my head around sex in general.
01:26It's definitely something that I need to work on and work through.
01:29Dad being a bishop has so much responsibility in the church,
01:32and that's just how I grew up.
01:33So much of everything that was against the church,
01:36like weed and drinking and stuff, we just never talked about it.
01:39It was just, don't do it, or do this, or don't do this.
01:42I don't necessarily think Cameron's family has any hard feelings about me being in Mom Talk,
01:48but Cameron's only really dated very strong members of the church,
01:51girls that are very active, and I'm definitely the opposite of that.
01:55So maybe they have their reservations in some way.
01:57So your parents don't know that you have sex and stuff?
02:01The significance of having sex before you get married is obviously a big deal.
02:05So they'll figure it out eventually, or if they ask me about it, I'd be open and tell them.
02:09Would you? You wouldn't lie?
02:11Do you feel pressure about me and making me orgasm?
02:17Yeah, obviously, of course.
02:19Because it's like, well, yeah, of course I do.
02:21At this point, I'm going to die without having to live together.
02:49But I'm going to leave.
03:19Those boots are cute. Thanks.
03:30Today I'm grabbing brunch with Mikaela and Taylor, and I'm really excited to catch up.
03:34I know that Taylor has been going through a lot with her relationship with Dakota,
03:37and Mikaela has been on a journey with therapy,
03:40and so I'm really excited to get together with them and just chat.
03:42You going to take over? Yeah. Thank you.
03:44But considering everything that has happened with the Halloween party, I'm worried.
03:48Oh, my goodness. This is so nice.
03:50Maybe you should sit on the entee so that you can put him.
03:53Yeah. Thank you so much.
03:56Thank you, Rachel. You're welcome.
03:58How do you know her name? I don't know.
04:00She has a name tag, and I just met her. Is that your new friend?
04:02Thank you, Rachel.
04:04Are you going to add her into the group chat, too?
04:06Shut up.
04:08You can play Flanny. I approve.
04:10I am, like, lagging today.
04:12Like, Dakota, have you talked to him at all after the party?
04:14Well, yeah, I made sure he was okay.
04:16I was worried about that.
04:18I do worry about him.
04:20Obviously, when you have a past like that,
04:22that's like life or death for people,
04:24so I checked up on him.
04:26That's good.
04:28Since the Halloween party,
04:30Miranda and I are cordial,
04:32but Dakota and I are currently in a fight.
04:34Things are just getting worse and worse,
04:36and honestly, I do worry about Dakota's sobriety.
04:38With recovering addicts, you never know,
04:40and so I think I'll always worry about that.
04:42My heart is closed at this point,
04:44but there's no question
04:46that I feel so strongly about him.
04:48I was like, you embarrassed us both.
04:50Oh, yeah.
04:52Chase, like, just pointing,
04:54like, literally so close to your face
04:56and so aggressively pointing at you,
04:58like, every husband probably would have lost it there.
05:00Well, I was like, the fact that they all saw it
05:02except you is, like, embarrassing.
05:04And Chase has done a lot more to you
05:06than he's done to any of us, too.
05:08He just, like, didn't want to hear it,
05:10but I'm, like, done.
05:12There's no more words for it, honestly.
05:14I know, but you still talk, like, and fight
05:16like you're together.
05:20Yeah.
05:22He doesn't feel done unless it's, like, strictly, like, about ever.
05:24Like, hey, like, when are you picking him up?
05:26Just, like, separate and take care of your baby.
05:28I don't know.
05:30That's what I'm saying.
05:32I think you two have to work on yourselves
05:34and by yourselves without each other at all.
05:36I feel like it's been sort of done, to be honest.
05:38If he were to go on a date with someone,
05:41if you're going on a date
05:43during all of this,
05:45you're not my person at all.
05:47So you're still considering being together?
05:49I mean, I don't have, like,
05:51I just don't have words for it. I don't know.
05:53Like, I can't say, yes, I'm done with Dakota forever
05:55or I want to be with him right now.
05:57Like, I just don't, I don't know.
06:01Taylor and Dakota are in a really bad place right now.
06:03It is so toxic.
06:05It's like oil and water.
06:07I understand, like, you want to make it work
06:09for the person you have a baby with,
06:11but I just don't see it working out.
06:13I get confused.
06:15I guess what I'm saying is I'm not focusing on that.
06:17Like, I need to, I have so much work to do.
06:19I have my kids to focus on.
06:21I need to be present with them.
06:23I need to go to therapy and heal, like,
06:25my inner issues because I'm also so, like, messed up.
06:27When everyone's like, let it go, let it go,
06:29or, like, do this, do that,
06:31and it's like my brain is, like, fucked.
06:33It's, like, fucked up.
06:35When I go into therapy, I'm like,
06:37you're in, like, trauma, and you have PTSD,
06:39so it doesn't matter.
06:41It's going to always be there until we fix it.
06:43And rewire your brain.
06:45But it is possible, though.
06:47This is work in progress,
06:49and I'm tired of everyone being like,
06:51and we're exhausted.
06:53Well, guess what? Me too.
06:55So it's going to take a while to heal it.
06:57I have some really deep issues
06:59of self-worth.
07:01I felt like my real dad
07:03not wanting anything to do with me.
07:05So for the swinging scandal,
07:07it makes me feel like trash.
07:09And now Dakota kind of brought it out
07:11and exploded it, but it's deeper
07:13than Dakota and what he did.
07:15When I am betrayed,
07:17it just confirms my beliefs about myself.
07:19I feel like you guys are never on the same page,
07:21and so I feel like you're both
07:23trying to validate your feelings to each other,
07:25but you can't do it.
07:27I think Taylor and Dakota's
07:29relationship is kind of already detrimental
07:31to Taylor's health and mental well-being.
07:33He's been deceitful and lying to you
07:35and gaslighting you for the last two years,
07:37but now that she has a baby,
07:39I understand that it adds a difficult dynamic.
07:41I just want her to be healthy,
07:43and I want her to have a healthy relationship.
07:45We were supposed to have therapy
07:47on Monday together, but
07:49I don't know if he'll show up. I'm going
07:51because she's my psychiatrist regardless.
07:53But if he was supposed to be there,
07:55I don't know if he'll come, but I'll be there
07:57regardless. I don't know.
07:59All right. We can talk about
08:01something else.
08:03What is that on my head?
08:05It's still there.
08:07Get it out!
08:09Oh my gosh.
08:11It's stuck to my head.
08:13Anyways.
08:15How are your marriages, guys?
08:17Perfect?
08:19No one's marriage is perfect.
08:21No one is perfect.
08:23You know what I forgot to tell you guys?
08:25I need to pull this up actually.
08:27A few months ago, I got two confessions
08:29for Center Sunday.
08:31Do you have PTSD?
08:33Well, I always get ones about you, but this is not what I'm talking about.
08:35But it said,
08:37I slept with Denise's husband last year while she was away.
08:41Center Sunday is something
08:43that I started a couple years ago
08:45where I just wanted to have a little bit of fun.
08:47I have people write in anonymous confessions,
08:49and they're usually really juicy,
08:51and then I post them on the story of that page
08:53for everyone to see.
08:55Yeah, that's not true to me. It doesn't go a day away from Brett.
08:57Girl's Trip, we did it in June.
08:59Nothing would surprise me anymore.
09:01We have learned there is truth
09:03to the confessions on Center Sunday.
09:05There are. With the Dakota and Taylor situation,
09:07a lot of things ended up coming out
09:09that were true. Demi and Brett might have
09:11cracks that they don't share with everybody.
09:13No relationship is perfect.
09:15What do you know about Jen and Zach?
09:17I was just going to ask Marti about Jen and Zach,
09:19but I guess we don't know.
09:21They were doing their trial living.
09:23When I talked to Jen, she's like,
09:25No, he's totally allowing me to be myself.
09:27Allowing you to be yourself.
09:29That's what it's allowing. He's allowing me.
09:31I'm like, how thoughtful of him.
09:35He's grown so much.
09:49Finding out that I'm pregnant was very stressful.
09:51I don't want to tell anyone
09:53that I'm pregnant just because
09:55there's still tension in the air.
09:57What's hard for me is
09:59Zach left med school so
10:01I can be part of mom talk.
10:03It's been very hard
10:05to talk to the girls
10:07about everything that I'm going through.
10:09And so it's been nice having Miranda.
10:11She's the only person
10:13right now that has validated
10:15me.
10:17Are they
10:19heading to
10:21Texas?
10:23Is that hard?
10:25Co-parenting?
10:27It's definitely difficult,
10:29but there hasn't been
10:31a day where I've felt like it wasn't the right decision.
10:33Really?
10:35It hasn't been easy, but it's been easier than staying married was.
10:41When did it hit you
10:43that it was time to
10:45split?
10:47I can't remember if it was an argument we had
10:49or something.
10:51And I was just like, I'm done.
10:53I'm done.
10:55It literally was like
10:57a switch flipped in my brain.
10:59And then I just remember feeling so much
11:01more calm.
11:03I'm very much
11:05happier now. But I was going to ask
11:07how you're doing.
11:09To be honest, I'm not
11:11okay right now.
11:13I'm trying
11:15so hard
11:17not to like...
11:19I'm sorry.
11:21I hate crying.
11:23Don't be sorry.
11:25I'm trying so hard.
11:29I just
11:31genuinely feel like
11:33so alone right now.
11:35My marriage and where I'm at
11:37with all the girls.
11:39I feel
11:41for Jen. I've been there
11:43and it is rough.
11:45All of
11:47the things that Jen has gone through
11:49and where she's at now,
11:51I think she's kind of...
11:53She's hitting a
11:55breaking point. The more she opens up,
11:57the more I'm realizing
11:59that maybe she's not receiving
12:01the support that she needs
12:03in mom talk right now.
12:05With Zach, I think there are some
12:07red flags for sure.
12:09And yeah, it might be best for her to go.
12:11But if she doesn't feel like it's the best
12:13thing for her, she needs to be
12:15supported in that journey.
12:17I just feel like these girls,
12:19specifically Demi and Jessie,
12:21continue to put me in these uncomfortable
12:23situations and if I do struggle
12:25in my relationship, I feel like I can't
12:27go to them because I feel like
12:29they already have this narrative in their head.
12:31It's like, well, I already told you you should leave him.
12:33Yeah, no, exactly. I want to continue
12:35being a part of
12:37mom talk, but also I know
12:39it's really, really hard for Zach and I feel
12:41like it's hurting our marriage.
12:43You should not have to feel like that.
12:45I'm very
12:47worried and stressed out because
12:49bringing in another human
12:51into this
12:53life is
12:55a lot. I feel like
12:57I'm definitely
12:59in the midst of
13:01spiritual warfare where
13:03I'm just doubting everything
13:05and I feel like lost.
13:07I'm not sure if I want
13:09to be in the marriage anymore
13:11and I definitely think
13:13that it is
13:15a wake up call for me to really
13:17figure out what I want
13:19for this baby.
13:21What's really conflicting right now is
13:23since
13:25Vegas and everything, I feel like I've
13:27distanced myself from
13:29church.
13:31I feel like I've kind of
13:33also distanced myself from God
13:35and it's made it
13:37really hard for me
13:39to know what's best for me
13:41and
13:43it's just hard
13:45because my relationship with God
13:47is everything
13:49and I feel like He's
13:51quiet right now.
13:53I'm just
13:55praying to God
13:57to lead me to what I need to do.
13:59I want to do what's best for me
14:01and my kids
14:03and my marriage.
14:07In order to have this
14:09child right now,
14:11there's a lot of things I know I need to
14:13work through. I don't even know what I
14:15believe in
14:17and what I'm
14:21what my
14:23current
14:25purpose is.
14:37Suspect only carries credit cards that say J.C. Styles
14:39on them. Suspect
14:41is looking for his girl half his age.
14:45There he is. What's up, boys?
14:47Yeah. Oh wait, Brett, no.
14:49Hold on.
14:57Brett, that's where the balls come out.
14:59You guys are still young enough.
15:01You don't need to stretch, huh?
15:03So today I invited
15:05Jordan and Brett to go golfing.
15:07Just wanted to talk to them after
15:09what happened at the Halloween party and
15:11kind of their role in the Chippendales
15:13dancing and
15:15just confront them for what happened.
15:19Should we do a little long drive?
15:21Yeah, you guys want to do some betting?
15:23I'm just kidding.
15:25I'm just kidding.
15:27I hate to
15:29interrupt the golfing. I did want to
15:31come here today and just talk to you guys about
15:33some stuff. I just wanted to
15:35talk to you guys about the Halloween situation.
15:37I've already sat down with
15:39Demi and Jesse, and I kind of
15:41told them where I was at with
15:43respecting our relationship, and they've
15:45chosen not to, but that is what it is.
15:47I have hope that moving
15:49forward I can have a good relationship with
15:51these guys. At the end of the day, I'm
15:53going to have a good time.
15:55I'm going to have a good relationship with these guys.
15:57At the end of the day, I have nothing against them.
15:59I think they're great guys. I think
16:01they're great husbands. I know you guys
16:03didn't have any bad intent,
16:05but I still think it was a little
16:07bit disrespectful, but mostly just insensitive.
16:09Man to man,
16:11if you guys did respect me
16:13or you guys did support my relationship,
16:15you guys could have let me know.
16:19Jordan, I feel like we're pretty close,
16:21and I feel like Brett, I've expressed
16:23to you that I look up to you.
16:25I mean, clearly you guys knew.
16:27It's not like it just slipped your mind.
16:29I'm super traditional.
16:31It's just who I am. Ten minutes
16:33earlier, you guys were both out
16:35almost physically assaulting someone
16:37over them physically
16:39assaulting his wife. For sure, and I
16:41stand by that. I'll never walk away
16:43from that in my entire life, because the way
16:45I was raised is you don't ever put a hand
16:47on a woman. You just did the same thing right after.
16:49So hear me out. I didn't touch
16:51Jen.
16:53If you want to be petty, I can be petty with you.
16:55I'm doing this in a respectful way.
16:57I watched the whole situation.
16:59What Chase did is he went up to me and touched
17:01her without consent in a condescending way.
17:03What you guys did was touch
17:05my wife without consent in a condescending way.
17:07Same thing.
17:11The thing that I have a tough time with
17:13is that Jen was warned
17:15what the whole bit was,
17:17and she was also told
17:19that you could be included
17:21and she didn't choose to tell you that.
17:23And honestly, there needs to be
17:25accountability on Jen's end for not putting you in the know
17:27because it was said that there was going to be
17:29surprises.
17:33That doesn't mean that I shouldn't have reached
17:35out and try to include you or invite
17:37you into that. I agree with that.
17:39I was under the impression that
17:41you were in the know. That is something Jen and I
17:43have to hash out, and if it later comes out
17:45that she didn't tell me the truth, that's gonna
17:47suck. Jen has, again,
17:49sworn on our children's life. This is her story.
17:51I'm gonna have to believe her
17:53and I'm gonna let her hash that out with
17:55Jesse and Demi, and whatever comes out or if it doesn't,
17:57it is what it is. I just wanted to come
17:59to you guys because I still would have wished
18:01you guys would have told me. I talked
18:03to you that morning. This all comes down
18:05to two things. Intent
18:07and communication.
18:09At the center of it,
18:11Jen might be a little bit of
18:13a moving target depending upon
18:15the situation and how
18:17she might be feeling and how she might be feeling.
18:19You might react at certain times.
18:21Her message might change a little bit. There may be
18:23some nuances that change a little bit, so I'm just
18:25asking you to be open to that.
18:27And not draw such
18:29hard lines. He said this, she said
18:31this. This is definitive because there is a lot
18:33of moving nuance there. Nothing's definitive and it's gonna be in the gray area
18:35and I'm just trying to handle it the best I can
18:37and still show up for my wife and
18:39be a good husband. Because I'm telling you, man to
18:41man, had I thought for even
18:43one millisecond that this was
18:45going to cause any kind of issue whatsoever
18:47in your marriage, it never would have happened.
18:49Jen and I have
18:51been through a ton in this last year.
18:53A lot of these tough situations
18:55could have been avoided through
18:57maybe better understanding on my part
18:59but maybe a little bit more honest
19:01and straightforward communication
19:03on Jen's part. But as far
19:05as fighting for our marriage, absolutely.
19:07There's no question that it's worth
19:09fighting for and I think we're putting
19:11in the work and it's just gonna be a long
19:13process. At the end of the day,
19:15I'd love to continue to golf, have fun. We'd
19:17love to have you come to the dad talk stuff.
19:19Yeah. Can I hear you? Yeah.
19:23Bring it in.
19:25Should we get back to hitting some golf balls
19:27after that? I'm gonna have to re-stretch.
19:41I think I have everything.
19:43Shut the door.
19:51The last couple weeks have been
19:53really hard but I'm just thankful that Dakota came
19:55to our therapy session. It was
19:57a lot about the Halloween party because it was
19:59so triggering. When you see
20:01Chase treating me this way,
20:03that's when you step in as a man
20:05and be like, you do not talk to her
20:07that way. Back the fuck up.
20:09That's what I would want my man to do
20:11for me. I'm the mother of your child. Tell him to back
20:13the fuck up. He said one remark
20:15to one of my friends and the husband
20:17immediately was like, you go fucking apologize to my wife.
20:19If you ever acted like
20:21you wanted anything to do with me...
20:23My ex would have defended me in that situation.
20:27Okay, I know. We're gone.
20:29I feel like the last few years
20:31have actually been the hardest.
20:33I feel like I've
20:35been insecure with Dakota.
20:37Him thinking certain things and saying
20:39things in my family, saying you didn't respect
20:41yourself. I think it just added.
20:43Ever since then, it's just been hard to
20:45pick back up and feel confident again.
20:47We had a family dinner we went to.
20:49My mom, she was like, everyone is exhausted
20:51of hearing the same things. What is going
20:53on? My dad was like,
20:55well, I don't know why you expected better when you
20:57jumped into bed with him so fast.
21:01I feel just anger.
21:03In our therapy
21:05session, Dakota finally took
21:07a step back and was processing.
21:09And I feel like for the first time, he was not
21:11only hearing me, but he was listening
21:13to me. I don't
21:15actually have an issue with
21:17you trying to process
21:19these things and you struggling.
21:21I'm still here.
21:23I think the only thing I've ever
21:25actually wanted is
21:27forgiveness.
21:29And that's all I need
21:31to where I can actually
21:33show up for you and
21:35work on those things that you need me to
21:37show you and give
21:39you that can
21:41help you work through these things
21:43too.
21:45And I'm sorry I failed you. I really
21:47am.
21:49I do feel like we finally had this
21:51mini breakthrough. I feel like I saw
21:53the soft side of Dakota that I initially
21:55fell for. Healing is really hard
21:57because I think it gets really ugly before
21:59it gets pretty.
22:01There's so many great things I love about him and
22:03vice versa. That's why we won't let each
22:05other go because it's so good
22:07when it's good.
22:09He's upset me. He's hurt me.
22:11But I don't think he's failed me.
22:13I think failing is when
22:15it's over and you're done trying.
22:17The whole party thing just sucks.
22:19That really hurts me because
22:21I feel like the one thing I've always
22:23actually been really good at throughout my
22:25whole life is just having people's back
22:27and like I'd do anything
22:29and so
22:33yeah I just feel like I like screwed that
22:35up and
22:37that sucks.
22:39So where
22:41do we go? Where do we
22:43go from here?
22:57Laila's definitely gone through some changes
22:59from going through a divorce
23:01to getting her boobs done
23:03but one thing that remains is that
23:05she has yet to have an orgasm
23:07with a partner. Jazzy and I kind of want to
23:09take the pressure off and maybe inform
23:11her on how to achieve that
23:13so we thought of a cute idea to
23:15throw her a sex party.
23:17Jazzy and I kind of want to take the
23:19pressure off and maybe inform her
23:21on how to achieve that so we
23:23thought of a cute idea to throw her a sex
23:25Hello. Hello.
23:27Erica? Yes.
23:29So nice to meet you. Nice to meet you as well.
23:31Is this heavy? No it's great. Are you sure?
23:33Yeah where would you like me to put it?
23:35In this room. Okay. This is where everyone will be.
23:37Awesome. I love it.
23:39Beautiful. I think there's definitely
23:41some shame that comes along with being
23:43a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter
23:45Day Saints. Unfortunately sex
23:47is a very under talked about topic
23:49and so I think everyone's excited
23:51to be a part of it.
23:53And so I think everyone's excited to
23:55learn more and you know support
23:57Layla. Jessie and I found this
23:59sex expert Erica and
24:01I am hoping that she's able to
24:03remove the taboo around sex.
24:05Demi!
24:07This is the guest of honor.
24:09Oh my goodness. Okay.
24:11Welcome mama.
24:13How are you?
24:15Love Demi. It's so
24:17cute. This is Erica.
24:19Hi. Nice to meet you.
24:21Introduce and give all your certifications.
24:23She's incredible. So my official
24:25title, certified sex
24:27and relationship coach and board certified
24:29clinical sexologist. Amazing. Oh my gosh.
24:31I'm so excited. This is all for you.
24:33I love it. Cameron
24:35wants me to feel good when we're having sex and
24:37I do feel like the girls are being supportive right now
24:39and trying to help me feel loved
24:41and cared for. That's really something
24:43that I appreciate about this group.
24:45Having sex before I was married, getting pregnant
24:47before I was married, I just have always
24:49felt shame. It's just something that has always been
24:51kind of a cloud over my head
24:53when it comes to sex. Oh, is that a
24:55vagina? So this is a vulva.
24:57Yeah, we'll talk about this. This is a vulva
24:59puppet. She's pretty.
25:01She's cute.
25:03So we have a wide
25:05range of women coming tonight. Okay.
25:07From very
25:09experienced, like swinging
25:11with multiple partners experience.
25:13Okay. Hi!
25:15Oh my gosh, you look so hot.
25:17And then very
25:19conservative.
25:21I'm like, huddle.
25:23Don't shit right there.
25:25Sexy.
25:27Hello!
25:29Oh!
25:31So I walk into Demi's
25:33Remove the Taboo Party
25:35and I'm a little shocked. There's
25:37collars, chains, whips,
25:39butt plugs, dildos. I'm like,
25:41where am I? This is like a sex
25:43shop. I thought this was like, remove
25:45the stigma of sex. But
25:47this seems like a full-on orgy
25:49party. I just want to know
25:51what you guys all think is the most shocking
25:53of all of these. I mean, I feel like I've seen
25:55them all, but like
25:57Oh! However, it wouldn't
25:59be a mom talk party without
26:01some kind of drama, so I just feel something
26:03brewing in the air.
26:05Hello!
26:07Look at you. You went all out.
26:09I'm here, Taylor.
26:11I love this.
26:13Alright, someone bend over.
26:15My delivery's
26:17here. I forgot it.
26:21No! I forgot it at home
26:23so I had to see how Jace bring it.
26:25It looks just like me.
26:27It's an ass.
26:29Do you know that your BFF thinks
26:31that was a mold of her ass?
26:33Is that true? Macy? Yeah.
26:35Who in mom talk has the best ass? Of course
26:37that's me. Just genetics.
26:39She actually used my ass as
26:41inspo for her cake. Oh, please.
26:43I don't have enough cake to mold Macy's ass.
26:45What's
26:47the flavor? Ass.
26:49I'm just kidding. The flavor is
26:51butthole.
26:53Hello.
26:55Oh, look at you.
26:57You look great. Thank you. So do you.
26:59Hello.
27:01How are you?
27:03My hands are literally freezing.
27:05Do you ever think you'd be back at a mom talk sex party?
27:07Oh, my gosh.
27:09No, I did not think I would ever be
27:11at a sex party with Miranda.
27:13But here we are together. Surprise.
27:15Who's the kids tonight? Oh, yeah.
27:17Dakota, dad talk?
27:19Yes. Yes, he is.
27:21Jordan's like, I'm really hoping Dakota can lead this
27:23because he's like a TikTok expert.
27:25They're just making TikTok.
27:27They're making TikTok.
27:29I mean, I didn't ask him much about it.
27:31Jordan's like, I don't know how to use TikTok.
27:33I'm like, ask Dakota.
27:35Dakota, you're in the middle.
27:37Okay.
27:39Click.
27:41So head to the left.
27:43This is just a practice. Get ready.
27:45Ready.
27:47Left.
27:49Left. Sorry. Okay.
27:51Here we go. Are you guys ready?
27:53Okay. Here we go. We got this.
27:57The click.
27:59Oh, shit.
28:01How do they get the positioning?
28:03Is it just because they're small?
28:05Here we go.
28:07Okay. You're ready.
28:09Thanks, dude.
28:11Click.
28:13Click.
28:15That's it.
28:17Dad talk has been established.
28:19We cannot admit to the girls how hard this is.
28:21No, never.
28:23Promise. This was the easiest I've ever had.
28:25Promise this stays here.
28:27I'm crying.
28:29We should all grab the one that looks the most like us.
28:31I also need some cheese.
28:33Are you guys good now?
28:35I don't know, honestly. I don't know.
28:37I appreciate her thanking me.
28:39I think we're to a place where our friendship is a little...
28:41Our friendship's better.
28:43I guess, coming from my perspective, it's better.
28:45I just don't have answers.
28:47He hasn't been... I haven't lived with him
28:49for over a month now.
28:51Oh, I didn't know that.
28:53Where is he?
28:55Apartment.
28:57Jen here yet, or no?
28:59I forgot Jen was coming.
29:01She better be walking in with just full lingerie.
29:03No, Zach won't allow that.
29:05Is he going to dad talk?
29:07Zach? I don't think so.
29:09Does anyone know what's going on with them?
29:11No.
29:13She came over a couple days ago.
29:15Um, we talked,
29:17and I think she's just been...
29:19She was asking a lot of questions about my divorce.
29:21Oh. Interesting.
29:23Like, she was inquiring
29:25about herself, almost?
29:27Kind of.
29:29Oh, no.
29:31Jen and I's relationship used to be really great,
29:33but now that Jen has isolated herself,
29:35we never hear from her.
29:37It's really sad to me to see how it's fallen
29:39because we did have a really close relationship
29:41at one point.
29:43Anyone know how she's feeling about the Chippendales situation?
29:45Do you talk to her about it?
29:47Uh-huh.
29:49Oh, what did she say?
29:51Yeah, she wasn't, like, thrilled about it.
29:53Rather than, she didn't know that there was going to be
29:55other people involved, and she didn't know
29:57it was going to be people dancing on her.
29:59Yeah.
30:01It was supposed to be a surprise.
30:03Yeah, it was supposed to be. Honestly, me even giving her a heads up
30:05was just like, hey, I just want to make sure if this is off the table
30:07at all, like, I know this was a heavy time for you,
30:09if it's off the table at all, and she was all for it.
30:11She was like, I love it.
30:13That's incredible.
30:15That's the best idea ever.
30:17It's going to come in, like, normal costume,
30:19rip it off into, like, a Chippendales.
30:21I can't believe Jen knew about it beforehand.
30:23I think it's absurd for Jen
30:25to now say that the prank wasn't okay.
30:27Especially now that we know for a fact
30:29that she told Jesse and Demi that she was completely on board.
30:31The more I hear about Jen recently,
30:33the less I'm starting to believe anything that she says.
30:35She made it sound like it was, like,
30:37this great idea, so I hope she just isn't, like,
30:39harboring more feelings because she tends to do that.
30:41And she did say that she was like,
30:43I did appreciate that Demi brought it up to me at all.
30:45I think she was just like, oh, I just wish that I would have known
30:47a little bit more extent of it.
30:49My life is definitely
30:51in chaos right now
30:53after the Chippendales prank
30:55and with Demi
30:57and Jesse interfering
30:59with mine and Zach's relationship.
31:01It's definitely caused more
31:03conflict between us
31:05and finding out that I'm pregnant
31:07as well as having a bit
31:09of an identity and faith crisis.
31:11I feel
31:13really lost
31:15and I'm hoping showing up tonight
31:17can show them
31:19that I'm really trying to put in that effort.
31:21And hopefully there's
31:23no more drama.
31:25Oh.
31:47Welcome.
31:49You know, I was considering
31:51wearing my jermies.
31:53As much as I want to talk to Jen tonight
31:55and I do want to clear the air, I'm looking around
31:57and we've got the sex expert
31:59who has prepared a whole night for us
32:01and everyone's excited
32:03to support Layla and tonight is
32:05obviously about Layla, so that conversation
32:07is unfortunately going to have to wait.
32:09Thank you for coming, everyone.
32:11You all look stunning, sexy,
32:13beautiful. I'd like to introduce
32:15I'd like to introduce you to Erica.
32:17She is a sex coach.
32:19Essentially, she is here to
32:21break the taboo.
32:23This remove-the-taboo party is a little
32:25edgy for Mormons, I will say.
32:27However, Mormons are a little bit
32:29freaky, like in marriage.
32:31So, there are
32:33a plethora of items over here, ladies.
32:35If you've been to a sex shop, you know
32:37there's so much more available, right?
32:41Okay. Hey, ladies, I have
32:43a question for each one of you, so I want you
32:45each to answer this, okay?
32:47Taylor, I'm going to start with you. What arouses
32:49you?
32:51The most?
32:53I love, like,
32:55a scenario in my head.
32:57So, some fantasy play? Yes.
32:59Okay, that's awesome. How about for you?
33:01I like dirty talk.
33:03Dirty talk.
33:05I hate dirty talk.
33:07What arouses you, Mikayla?
33:09Oh, I love massage.
33:11And also smell. I feel like smell
33:13is like sex smell.
33:15But, like, deodorant and perfume.
33:17Like, the smell. So, you're a sensual
33:19gal.
33:21I'm on my own sexual trauma next.
33:23Yeah. Layla,
33:25how about for you?
33:27Actually feeling something? I don't know.
33:29I like
33:31seeing, like, my partner.
33:33Like, connection, maybe? Yeah.
33:35When, like, he's enjoying it, then I, like, enjoy it.
33:37What about for you do you enjoy?
33:39What do you mean?
33:41Like, what about it for you that has nothing to do with him?
33:43What about you, like, feels good?
33:45Like,
33:47I'm like, I don't know.
33:49I don't know.
33:51I think the fact that I'm not able to answer the question on what
33:53turns me on is kind of a big revelation
33:55for me. The fact that I can't even
33:57pinpoint what makes me
33:59aroused in a situation, I think, is a really big
34:01red flag. I think that's honestly
34:03maybe contributing to why I'm
34:05not able to enjoy sex fully is because I don't
34:07know what I like and don't like.
34:09We're our first sexual partners.
34:11So if we're not exploring our own bodies
34:13to kind of figure out what we like, what
34:15pleases us and what doesn't,
34:17then how are we to express that to our partners,
34:19right? We're going to do a little sensation
34:21play. So if you would pair
34:23up, please.
34:25I'm at a swinger party right now. Woo!
34:27So I want you
34:29to think about the most soft
34:31touch that you can give your partner. And then let
34:33her give you feedback on what feels good.
34:35Okay. Do you want it harder
34:37or softer? Whatever.
34:39Whatever. I mean, but
34:41I'm sure anything.
34:43So ladies, so what I'm
34:45doing is I'm asking Taylor if she wants
34:47it harder or softer.
34:49Ew, I hate this.
34:51I don't like this at all. Do you want to be
34:53scratched with it? Oh, I like that. Okay.
34:55So she likes to be scratched with it.
34:57You guys.
34:59I hate that. I know. This is a little too intimate.
35:01McKaylee, are you ready to really bond?
35:03Oh, I don't
35:05like that. Feels like there's something curly on my face.
35:07I think when we get in a group, I think
35:09we truly have no boundaries.
35:11I think Macy needs to work on her feathering
35:13techniques though, because it wasn't really
35:15doing anything for me. Having to
35:17feather, feather my
35:19friends. That sounds so weird.
35:21Having to feather someone being like, how does that feel?
35:23Ew, I did not like that one bit.
35:25The one thing that happened today that I never want to
35:27think about again was definitely
35:29Miranda whipping me with a whip.
35:31That is kind of weird.
35:33It was definitely a little awkward
35:35for sure. I'm so straight, it's
35:37scary. Me too.
35:39This is not about
35:41being straight.
35:43It's like just enjoying the feeling of it.
35:45You've kissed girls. I've never kissed a girl.
35:47Yeah, but I am so straight too. I mean, I didn't
35:49have, I like, did not, not enjoy it, but it wasn't
35:51a turn on. I just did it.
35:53It was just fine because you were drunk. Okay. Yeah.
35:55It's not that bad. I mean, Miranda's a
35:57great kisser. I've kissed a lot of girls
35:59actually in my life, and Miranda is a good
36:01kisser. But I do feel like
36:03Demi makes these like judgmental
36:05jokes where it's like
36:07an underlying message to you. And it's
36:09kind of like a light jab,
36:11but yeah, I do feel like she does that.
36:13Hey, so now, anyone
36:15wanting to be handcuffed
36:17with your ankles and your wrists?
36:19I'll do that, yeah. Sure.
36:21Where do you buy this? Can you buy it on Amazon?
36:23Nope. You can buy everything on Amazon.
36:25I'm like, send me the link.
36:27Didn't think the first time I was getting tied up
36:29would be from a woman, but you know.
36:31Taylor's face when she's like...
36:33I'm just
36:35learning new things. There we go.
36:37Okay. You're gonna let me know
36:39how that feels, okay?
36:41Are you close to orgasming?
36:43Are you okay if I just hit you
36:45very lightly? No. Okay.
36:47And then you're gonna
36:49tell me if you want me to
36:51go a little harder or a little softer.
36:53Give it to me, daddy.
36:55I feel like you need to be the one on here right now.
36:57Close your eyes. Close your eyes.
36:59Sweetheart. Harder or softer?
37:01Harder.
37:03Harder? You like to be
37:05whipped. Yeah.
37:07I think something I took from the sex party
37:09is that I like it hard and rough.
37:11Moving forward, I'm gonna be
37:13more open about trying things in sex
37:15and experimenting and just being more
37:17open and communicating when I'm having sex.
37:19I do feel hopeful that an
37:21orgasm is around the corner. Fingers
37:23crossed that it can happen soon.
37:25Are we gonna eat the ass? Oh, yes!
37:27It's good luck.
37:29Yeah.
37:31Yeah, I like that.
37:33I like that. Sensual.
37:35Now that we've got the sex lesson out of the way,
37:37I think it's the perfect time to
37:39talk to Jen. I definitely want
37:41to talk to her about the whole chip and nail situation.
37:43I want to clear things up and just talk
37:45to her and figure out what went wrong.
37:47How are you and Zach? Jen?
37:49Jen? What? How are you and Zach
37:51doing? Um, we're doing better.
37:53As of right now.
37:55As of today. Good.
37:57Has it been like a long road?
37:59Yeah. Yeah, it's been a lot.
38:01I mean...
38:03Yeah, it's been a lot.
38:05I do feel like, to me,
38:07she likes to talk a lot about projection,
38:09which is very funny because it's like when you're
38:11trying and kind of going at somebody, it's like
38:13a projection thing, so when she brings
38:15up Jen and Zach's relationship, you have to
38:17ask, like, what is it? Why do you care about theirs?
38:19I'd love to have a conversation
38:21with all of you, I tell you, but
38:23I'm just trying to figure it out.
38:25Yeah. So,
38:27as of right now, I'm just keeping it between
38:29Zach and I, and that's
38:31what it is.
38:33At this point, I think Jen needs to be held
38:35accountable for all of the lies that are coming out.
38:37We know that they are not related to Ben Affleck.
38:39They're putting Chippendales on me
38:41and Demi. I think her feet need to be held
38:43to the fire and she needs to own up to what she's
38:45lied about, take accountability so we can
38:47all move on.
39:11Oh, look, there's little name tags.
39:13Weren't you in charge of this seating thing?
39:15This is not gonna work?
39:17What's wrong?
39:19How would that not work?
39:21My two best friends.
39:23Tonight, I have invited all the girls
39:25out to dinner because I have super exciting
39:27news. I got a book deal
39:29less than a year ago. I launched Baby
39:31Mama and it was an amazing experience
39:33and now my book is about
39:35my life story because it is
39:37very traumatic, crazy,
39:39and unconventional, especially for, like, a Mormon.
39:41This has been a goal of mine since
39:432015 and I just wanted to use my voice to help
39:45other women and what makes MomTalk
39:47great is that we have been able to inspire
39:49other women and bring them together and form a community
39:51and so for me, this book means so
39:53much more to me than anything that I've
39:55ever done or any goal that I've ever hit.
39:57It means the most. So I'm excited to tell the girls
39:59it's finally happening. I like Demi
40:01next to me. I like Taylor
40:03here. Tensions in MomTalk
40:05have been really high, so I have to make sure
40:07that I'm seating everyone in the right spot
40:09so that a fight doesn't break out.
40:11Switch Jen and Jessie.
40:13What about that? Taylor gets along with everyone.
40:15I put Macy in charge
40:17of the seating arrangements because she knows the situation
40:19and relationships with everyone, but
40:21clearly she didn't do a good enough job, so I'm
40:23taking it upon myself
40:25to fix her seating disaster.
40:27It's impossible
40:29to seat these people for some reason.
40:31Hello!
40:33This is so beautiful.
40:35This dress
40:37was it.
40:39Is that a name card? Yes.
40:41If you don't like where you're sitting, you better change
40:43it ASAP before people come.
40:45I'm going to swap this real quick.
40:47Taylor and Miranda are crossing each other. And Whitney, so
40:49they can talk. These four love each other.
40:51I invited Whitney out to dinner with all the girls
40:53to celebrate as well because I know she's been
40:55wanting to get back into MomTalk and I think
40:57having Whitney around the group more is
40:59a good test to see how she gets along with
41:01everyone in a group setting.
41:03This is so cool.
41:05I'm rooting for Whitney because I want her to
41:07go like, yes, I've changed. I want to come to the group.
41:09I want to work on these relationships. And I think
41:11everyone deserves a second chance at the end of the day.
41:13Welcome in!
41:15Just literally three days postpartum.
41:17I truly believe that when a group of
41:19women come together like this, there's nothing more
41:21powerful. But with Whitney,
41:23we're a little nervous that she's kind of coming
41:25back around and trying to hang out with us again.
41:27I think there's a lot of us questioning
41:29her intentions. We're not sure
41:31if she's trying to be back in MomTalk for clout
41:33or if her intentions are sincere.
41:35Look at your titties. They're huge.
41:37Seriously, like if I leave...
41:39They're popping out. Don't be surprised.
41:41I'm so happy to be here at Macy's dinner.
41:43I'm so happy to see that we're rekindling that relationship.
41:45I heard about Layla's
41:47Remove the Taboo party from Jen
41:49and I was a little
41:51surprised to hear that I wasn't invited.
41:53I'd like to think maybe it's because
41:55I just had baby Billy, but I think
41:57that like, I'm just not
41:59there yet, maybe.
42:01This is like exclusive.
42:03Hey guys!
42:05Was it true if I was supposed to knock or what?
42:07Hello!
42:09This place is so cute!
42:13You guys want to hear
42:15why I brought you all here?
42:17We want to celebrate with you guys because I
42:21got a book deal.
42:23Like officially through a publisher?
42:25Yes. So I'm super excited.
42:27I've been working on this for so long
42:29and I feel like I'm going to...
42:31Thank you!
42:33It means so much to you.
42:35The reason why I'm running a book...
42:37God.
42:39I don't want snot coming out of my nose.
42:41Macy, it's fine.
42:43So when I was first pregnant, I didn't know what I was doing
42:45with my life. My dad came into my room
42:47and he handed this to me.
42:49And he said, write everything down.
42:51The good, the bad, the ugly, when you're mad, when you're sad,
42:53when you hate us, when you love us, and maybe one day
42:55you can use it to help somebody else.
42:57And so I did, and I wrote
42:59the darkest times of my life in here.
43:01And that was like one day,
43:03I'm going to write a book.
43:05And so now it's happening.
43:07So I feel like it's just a big full circle moment.
43:09And so I'm just really excited
43:11because it's probably the biggest goal I've ever had.
43:13I am so excited for Macy
43:15that she has this opportunity
43:17to tell her story in a book.
43:19I know it's something she's always wanted to do.
43:21People can be like, oh my gosh,
43:23I'm going through the same thing.
43:25That's what we're about in Mom Talk
43:27is sharing all of your things out to the world.
43:29That is seriously so amazing.
43:33That is so cool.
43:35Thank you so much.
43:37I'm really excited as you can tell it's emotional
43:39because it's just like all my trauma.
43:41I'm excited to have your shot to tell your story.
43:43Thank you guys.
43:45So thanks for coming and celebrating
43:47and watching me cry.
43:49Demi seems a little maybe jealous,
43:51but she's trying to hide it.
43:53Demi likes to put this up front
43:55and be a confident, put together woman.
43:57But to be honest,
43:59I feel like she has more insecurities than anyone.
44:01And she's really good at hiding it.
44:03Can't wait to see who will be
44:05a best-selling author, babe.
44:07That's the goal, you guys.
44:09I'm putting up my vision board,
44:11so it's going to happen.
44:13You guys, I have something else exciting going on.
44:15I am hosting
44:17a celebrity pickleball tournament
44:19in Arizona.
44:21What does that mean, celebrity pickleball?
44:23You guys are inviting different celebrities
44:25and they're playing a pickleball tournament.
44:27Are you playing in it?
44:29You guys should come.
44:31If you want to come.
44:33Absolutely.
44:35Girl's trip!
44:37That would be fun.
44:39I am co-hosting the USA Pickleball Celebrity Match
44:41in Arizona and I am so excited.
44:43And I thought what a better way to get the girls together
44:45and do a little girl's trip. I'm already there.
44:47Our last girl's trip went
44:49pretty badly.
44:51No boyfriends, no husbands.
44:53I did nothing wrong in this situation.
44:55So,
44:57this will be a good way to do a
44:59do-over, get everyone together and hopefully
45:01mend friendships.
45:03It's a horrible idea.
45:05Okay, you guys ready?
45:07We're playing a game.
45:09I'm confessing everything in this book,
45:11so now it's time for you guys to confess.
45:13It could be spicy, it could be about yourself,
45:15it could be something that you've held in that you've never told
45:17people, but tell us something of your truth.
45:19So it's a truth box?
45:21It's not the truth box. Do we have to guess who wrote it or no?
45:23It's all going to be anonymous.
45:25Oh, I bet it will. Just like the truth box
45:27was supposed to be.
45:29This is full
45:31100% honesty.
45:33Honestly, yeah, a lot of what she does is
45:35trashy. Did I say that? You're being a bitch.
45:37I'm not the one that's going around trying to
45:39seduce other people's husbands.
45:41I'm just hoping that this is a little bit more lighthearted
45:43and it doesn't end in tears.
45:45Are you ready for this, Miranda?
45:47Is this the initiation? This is the initiation, exactly.
45:49Welcome to MomTalk.
45:53I feel like I'm the only one that has a brain anymore.
45:55You should have it be something that no one
45:57knows publicly.
45:59This is probably not the best idea.
46:01I mean, it could be lighthearted if you
46:03wanted it to be, but also it could
46:05stir up some stuff.
46:07So many secrets. It's just going to stir up more
46:09shit that I'm going to have to deal with.
46:13Okay, you guys ready? You start.
46:15It's your night.
46:17I am trying to get pregnant.
46:19It's Whitney or Tyler for sure.
46:21It better not be Taylor.
46:23I once had a man stuck on my toes.
46:25Then I immediately left.
46:27I've had sex in
46:29five high school parking lots.
46:31Holy shit.
46:33Why would you look at me?
46:35She's like every high school I could think of.
46:37The first time I swallowed, I threw up immediately after.
46:41My favorite place to do it is in the
46:43pool slash hot tub. Hashtag yummy.
46:45UTI.
46:47I'm like hashtag UTI.
46:49Oh no.
46:51I'm scared.
46:53I think Jen is fake.
47:03Maybe I am fake.
47:05Okay, well this escalated quickly.
47:07I think the comment is either from Demi,
47:09Mikaela, or Layla.
47:11Where are you in Dakota right now?
47:13We're not living together.
47:15So are you guys having sex?
47:17It's kind of hard to make
47:19passive when every time I open the internet,
47:21somebody's making blatantly explicit videos
47:23about me. If I want to make videos about you,
47:25I can do that because you're not my friend.
47:29Jen's my new Whitney.
47:31At what point are you just not going to look like a liar?
47:33Like it's that.
47:35If they have an issue with me, I would like to confront them.
47:37Some things went down in Italy.
47:39Literally playing truth or dare
47:41with a ton of single men.
47:43Did you ask her about the confession that Macy got?