00:00Mark, thank you very much for coming in.
00:03What are you trying to achieve with this petition?
00:05Well, it's the veterans who've put it together.
00:08In a nutshell, Labour are trying to change the law
00:12because they say the Legacy Act is incompatible
00:15with certain parts of the Sacred Human Rights Act.
00:19And so this government of human rights lawyers is trying to change the law,
00:24which would have two effects.
00:25One, it would reopen our Northern Ireland veterans
00:29to this endless cycle of investigation and reinvestigation,
00:33whilst at the same time making it easier for Gerry Adams
00:37to sue the British taxpayer.
00:40Now, there are politicians like me who are very annoyed about this,
00:43but the veterans who fought in Northern Ireland
00:45and other veterans are extremely annoyed,
00:48so they've put together a petition.
00:50Just before we came on out,
00:52it was up to nearly 40,000 signatures in just over four days,
00:57which is pretty good going.
00:59If it gets to 100,000, we have to debate it in Parliament.
01:02And we're trying to show the Labour government
01:04the strength of feeling against doing this.
01:07And it's the courts, isn't it,
01:09that have said that parts of the Act that we passed
01:12is against the European Convention on Human Rights,
01:16and the Irish government is strongly opposed to this Act as well.
01:20Yes, but in a number of the court cases,
01:23the government could have appealed to higher courts,
01:26but because they're a government of human rights lawyers
01:28from the PM downwards, they haven't done that.
01:32They regard paying homage to the Human Rights Act
01:35as more important than defending the soldiers
01:38who upheld the rule of law in Northern Ireland.
01:40We think that is abhorrent.
01:42And that's absolutely key, isn't it,
01:44that the British have always had very high standards
01:46for their armed forces,
01:47and have taken the view that if people commit crimes
01:50when serving the Queen, as it then was,
01:53they should be prosecuted for them.
01:54You agree with that.
01:56So isn't it only right that any allegations are investigated
02:00to see whether or not laws were broken?
02:02Well, all soldiers had to operate under the rule of law.
02:06They had to comply, in most cases,
02:08with something that was called the Yellow Card,
02:10which laid down when they could and could not open fire.
02:14Of course, every soldier would believe that the law should be upheld,
02:21that they were there to uphold law and order in Northern Ireland.
02:25But nearly all of these cases were investigated at the time,
02:30in some cases 50 years ago.
02:33And Sinn Féin and their allies who want to rewrite history
02:38are often constantly trying to revive these cases,
02:43often through coronial inquests,
02:45to pursue those veterans for their own ends.
02:48And some of these veterans are 80,
02:50and they've been arrested early in the morning,
02:53as if they were really dangerous.
02:55When Dennis Hutchings was arrested,
02:57who subsequently died in the middle of a trial,
03:00the PSNI sent 11 officers to arrest a man in his mid-70s
03:06who was dying of cancer.
03:07I don't know what they thought he was going to do to them.
03:10And who had been investigated in the early 1970s.
03:13Correct.
03:13So at the bottom line,
03:15this is two-tier justice.
03:17It's one justice for our Northern Ireland veterans.
03:20It's a completely different form of justice from Gerry Adams
03:23and some of his friends who were given
03:25so-called letters of comfort by Tony Blair.
03:28Well, thank you for bringing this to the attention of GB News.
03:31I also want to ask you,
03:32because you've been very busy in the House of Commons today,
03:34with an important opposition day debate,
03:37where the Conservatives said something quite bold,
03:39that if Keir Starmer gives way on Brexit freedoms
03:44in the reset negotiations,
03:46an incoming Conservative government would cancel them.
03:48So if Hugh does an agreement to give fish away for 10 years
03:51and we get in in 2029, it'll just go on day one.
03:54Yes, because to do that would be utterly contrary
03:57to the principles of the 2016 referendum,
04:01which said that we should take back control of our laws.
04:05The risk is not just about fish,
04:07although that is definitely one.
04:09They're probably going to go for what's called
04:12dynamic alignment on veterinary measures and food standards.
04:16It sounds a fancy term,
04:19but what it means is if the EU change their rules,
04:24we automatically comply with them.
04:26They dynamically move and we follow,
04:29even if Parliament doesn't want to.
04:32So we become a passive rule taker.
04:35That is totally against the spirit of the referendum.
04:38That is, in effect, a surrender of our sovereignty.
04:41And therefore, if we came into government
04:44and they're mad enough to do it,
04:45and we still hope they won't,
04:47we would then feel obliged to overturn it.
04:50This summit on Monday,
04:51we're calling the Surrender Summit
04:53because they're going to surrender
04:54some of our powers to the European Union.
04:57We'll see you next time.
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