00:00Really? Really? They weren't before May the 1st, were they?
00:04I mean, Kirsten Armour has spent his whole career campaigning for free movement of people,
00:07wholly unconcerned about this subject.
00:10So much so that their massive parliamentary majority was gained without immigration,
00:14even being one of their five main priorities.
00:17Now, of course, he knows that amongst the great British public,
00:20this issue rates even higher than the health service,
00:24and he's just basically playing catch-up with reform.
00:26So, what do you think when you heard Sir Kirsten Armour talk about
00:30we risk becoming a nation of strangers, these forces tearing us apart?
00:35This is language you wouldn't have heard the PM say, I think, before the elections.
00:40You wouldn't have heard the PM said at any point in his life.
00:43This is not the conversation of the North London Dinner Party set, believe you me.
00:48Now, I mean, many of the things he said are the same things I've been saying for over 20 years.
00:52And that's Starmer's problem, insincerity.
00:55What does this man actually believe in, other than trying to keep power for its ends?
01:00He says he means it.
01:02I believe it.
01:03I'm saying it.
01:03I believe it.
01:04He did say five times he wants to take back control.
01:08That was your rival campaign's slogan from 2016.
01:13No, I was using take back control in 2004.
01:15Yeah.
01:16So, no.
01:17I mean, look, look.
01:18This is wholly insincere at every level.
01:21And whatever happens, there are still massive loopholes here for overseas students.
01:26And net migration is still going to run under this Labour government at many hundreds of thousands a year.
01:32And all of this on the same day when we see hundreds of people, young men, crossing the English Channel.
01:38I would ask the Prime Minister how confident is he?
01:41There are no Iranian terrorists on those boats this morning.
01:44And he was asked a question.
01:46One of the journalists asked him about the ECHR.
01:48He's utterly committed to staying part of it.
01:51Indeed, his second speech as Prime Minister in the House of Commons was his love of the ECHR.
01:56Nothing is going to change.
01:57And I think today, we'll look back on today a little bit like Rishi Sunak's pledges.
02:03Stop the boats.
02:04Remember that?
02:04Rishi stopped the boats.
02:05He didn't stop the boats.
02:06It cost the Conservatives very, very dearly in the general election.
02:11So to return to your original question, am I worried?
02:13I'm afraid not.
02:15If he was to succeed with all of this, I'd praise him to the heavens.
02:18But he's not.
02:19Is it enough?
02:19They'll cut visas by 100,000 a year.
02:22I pushed Yvette Cooper moments ago.
02:25Maybe 500,000 net migration.
02:27By then the Parliament, she wouldn't go there.
02:28We want to cut it by substantially, she says.
02:30Your plan is one in, one out, isn't it?
02:32How will that work?
02:33Well, just by limiting the numbers that can come in, by stopping foreign dependents coming,
02:37by making sure that anybody that comes on a work visa leaves at the end of the period of time for that visa.
02:43Doing actually what most normal countries do all over the world.
02:47If you were Prime Minister, you'd have the NHS saying we need more care workers.
02:50You'd have the farmers saying we need more people to pick the vegetables.
02:54And they can't rot in the fields because of your determination not to have any more migrants.
02:58The vegetables did not rot in the fields.
03:00If you go back before the year 2000, and I'm sorry, but this endless demand for cheap foreign labour is unacceptable at every level.
03:09And remember, all this talk about workers, most people that come don't even work, which is why it's making us poorer.
03:18ECHR, he said clearly we are not going to pull out of the ECHR.
03:22That's the European Convention on Human Rights.
03:23That's your policy.
03:24The Tories are going towards that policy, aren't they?
03:26He says that to get these bilateral deals with France and Germany, you must stay within the confines of ECHR.
03:32Is he right?
03:33I suspect that bilateral deals could mean even more people coming into Britain, not less.
03:37And how ironic that he's giving this statement today.
03:41He's boasting about trade deals with India, with America, all Brexit freedoms.
03:46And next week, he's off to Brussels to potentially sign us up to free movement for the under-30s across the whole of Europe.
03:52This sums up this Prime Minister.
03:54He is literally all over the place.
03:56And what I found going around the country, particularly in labour areas, people said, you know, we don't know who he is.
04:02We don't know what he stands for.
04:03We prefer Jeremy Corbyn.
04:04At least we knew what he believed in.
04:06In a sense, you're driving a policy.
04:08Or do you feel you are?
04:09I mean, certainly, the language certainly is there.
04:11I mean, they've been working on these plans for months and months and months.
04:13They have agreed, they said they would do in the election, to cut net migration.
04:19But the language is changing, isn't it?
04:20We are controlling the narrative.
04:22In terms of the rhetoric, it's follow my leader.
04:26They're following reform on all of this.
04:28But do they have the will to drive any of this through?
04:31I very much doubt it.
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