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Leadership Tips From APJ Abdul Kalam
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4/18/2025
In this 2008 conversation, former President APJ Abdul Kalam gave some valuable leadership lessons he learnt during his long career.
Thanks to Wharton India Economic Forum for the footage.
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A leader must know how to manage success.
00:05
Most importantly, the failure.
00:06
Every action of the leader should be transparent.
00:09
You were also very involved with India's missile program
00:15
and that you earned the nickname, the Missile Man of India.
00:18
Could you please tell us about that experience
00:20
and what were the main lessons you learned?
00:22
I learned one of the important thing in this programs,
00:28
both space program, missile program.
00:31
We should know how to handle the,
00:36
not only how to handle the success,
00:39
how to handle the failures.
00:41
Particularly, you are in the management environment,
00:43
you are done, I want the young people to understand
00:47
how to manage the failure.
00:50
Because any task you do, you have to come across problem.
00:55
Problem should not become the captain of the individual
00:58
or a project chief.
01:00
And the project chief should become
01:04
the captain of the problems
01:05
and defeat the problem and succeed.
01:07
So this is what I have learned.
01:09
How did you come to become India's president?
01:12
What leadership qualities do you think are needed
01:15
to lead a country that is so huge,
01:17
so complex and so chaotic?
01:20
Well, I won't say chaotic,
01:22
every type of order comes out of disorder, okay?
01:28
This is what's happening now.
01:30
I was elected as a president of India 2002-2007
01:36
through a well-structured election process.
01:42
Now, the leader, not only to become the president,
01:48
you need to give any political leadership
01:50
or technological leadership,
01:54
you have to have six traits one leader should have.
01:59
And what are the six traits?
02:02
Number one, leader must have a vision.
02:06
Without a vision, you will not be a leader, he or she.
02:09
So leader must have a vision.
02:12
The second one, leader must be able to travel
02:16
into an unexplored path.
02:19
Normally, tendency to travel the well laid out path,
02:24
but the leader, he takes a path of untraveled path.
02:29
Third thing, leader must know how to manage success,
02:34
most importantly, the failure.
02:38
Any mission he does or she does,
02:42
so he has to go through some failure.
02:45
They should know how to manage the failures.
02:47
Could you give us an example from your own experience
02:50
about managing failure?
02:51
Well, my own experience like this, 1973,
02:57
I became the project director
03:00
for Satellite Launch Vehicle Program, SLV-3 it is called,
03:04
to put a Rohini satellite in the orbit by 1980.
03:07
So when the time came, 1979, I think it's in August,
03:11
instead of satellite going in the orbit,
03:14
the whole rocket system went into Bay of Bengal, okay?
03:19
So it was a big failure.
03:23
So that day, Indian Space Research Army Chief,
03:28
Prasathis Dhawan, there's a press conference,
03:30
seven o'clock we launched.
03:32
7.45, there's a press conference,
03:34
the whole world press is there in Sererikota
03:37
at launch base.
03:39
So I still remember the chairman of the organization,
03:44
the leader of the organization,
03:46
taking the press conference, I was by his side.
03:48
He said, we have failed first time we tried to attempted,
03:54
and this failure really makes us to believe
04:00
we have to do more technological support my team,
04:05
and they worked very hard,
04:07
definitely in a year they will succeed.
04:10
So I was a mission director, I was a project director,
04:14
I am responsible for the failure,
04:17
and he took the responsibility of failure
04:20
as a chairman of the organization,
04:22
and the leader of the organization.
04:25
Next year, 1980, July, we succeeded.
04:29
The whole nation was jubilant.
04:32
There was a press conference.
04:35
Prasathis Dhawan told me,
04:37
you go and take the press conference, okay?
04:40
The message is, when the failure occurred,
04:45
the leader of the organization owned the leader of failure.
04:50
When the success came, he gave to his team.
04:53
That the best management principle,
04:56
I have not learned previously, any books have not taught me,
04:59
I learned from that experience, okay?
05:03
That's a beautiful story.
05:04
Thank you very much for sharing that.
05:05
Next one, fourth point,
05:09
leader must have courage to take the decision.
05:12
That's a problem today throughout the world.
05:14
Leader must have a courage to take the decision.
05:17
Fifth one, leader should have a nobility in management.
05:21
Nobility in management, a big question mark.
05:24
So I believe leaders should have a nobility in management.
05:30
Every action of the leader should be transparent.
05:33
You know what I mean?
05:35
Every, that is, a leader should work with integrity
05:38
and succeed with integrity.
05:41
Leader should work with integrity
05:44
and succeed with that integrity.
05:47
And I believe president, since you asked the question,
05:53
has to be continuously in touch with the people.
05:56
Rashtrapati Bhavan, where I was there,
06:01
became a people's Bhavan.
06:03
Instead of Rashtrapati Bhavan, it becomes people's Bhavan.
06:07
And also, I travel into the whole state,
06:11
cutting across hills, deserts, and sea.
06:13
I was in touch with millions and millions of people.
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