00:00this debate today, and we will be supporting it, as you supported our debate before Christmas
00:04as well. However, it is disappointing that it has been said that the delete all motion
00:09came forward from the Government on this. I don't think that really shows, A, the understanding
00:14of the impact that this would have on farmers across Wales, but it goes to riding a rough
00:21shot over this Senedd in trying to gain unified voice in standing up for one of Wales's most
00:27important industries. I take the moment to declare an interest as well. I don't profess
00:32to be a farmer myself. I'm merely a farmer's son, and I'm proud of that. I'm proud of each
00:36and every one of those farmers up in the gallery and those watching at home for everything
00:41that they do, come rain or shine. We've heard quite clearly around the arguments as to the
00:48impact of this policy. It's a wrong policy. It's a bad policy. It's poorly drawn up. It
00:52obviously impacts the wrong people in trying to go after those who are looking to circumnavigate
00:57paying tax. So, that shows that this policy doesn't need just reviewing. It needs scrapping.
01:00It needs starting again, and the NFU's hard work that they've put into their clawback
01:04scheme is a good opportunity of showing there's an alternative way of doing this, and I commend
01:08the NFU for their work around this and supporting farmers, their communities, and not just members
01:14of the NFU as well, but the wider agricultural community as well, alongside other farming
01:19unions as well. But what really frustrates farmers, what really
01:23grinds their gears is when they're made to look like fools. And let's take our mind back
01:27to pre-election. Keir Starmer before said, ëYou deserve a government that listens, that
01:32heeds early warningsí. Well, isn't this an example of listening? Isn't this an example
01:37of heeding the early warnings, given that there's so much discrepancy in which figures
01:42you take as being truthful on this? He also said at the NFU conference, ëLosing a farm
01:48is not like losing any other businessí, showing that agriculture is different when
01:53it comes to the taxation elements of it, because of the impact it would have on those that
01:57work the land, the amount of hands that it has been passed through, generation upon generation.
02:03It's different to other businesses and, therefore, needs to be treated differently.
02:06Steve Reid, now DEFRA's Secretary, he said there were no plans to change APR, no plans
02:12whatsoever. And I was there at a local hustings that the NFU Cymru, FUW and the Young Farmers
02:17hosted in Pembrokeshire during the general election, when the Labour candidate stood
02:21up, looked those farmers in the eye and said, ëNo, there will be no changes to APRí. And
02:26I'm pleased that he's rowed back and he's now calling for a review of this. A review,
02:31for me, doesn't go far enough. This needs to be scrapped altogether. But I'm pleased
02:34that he's stood up and done that for his constituents, because it's the right thing to do, and it's
02:38the right thing to stand there and say, ëThis does not work because of the evidence that
02:42we've heard, and it's about time that more Members do thatí, and this Welsh Government
02:46does that as well. But what have we heard from Welsh Government
02:49and MSes on this? Because we know what some of the backbenchers on the Labour benches
02:53think about agriculture. We heard it here today, one Member saying that we're all millionaires
02:58talking about farmers. I had it two weeks ago that I need to go back to the Young Farmers.
03:02Another Member saying that if you've got TB, well, find another job. That's what backbench
03:07Labour MSes think. But let's see what the frontbench think. We've obviously pushed the
03:13Labour Government to correspond with their UK Government counterparts, and an FOI has
03:17shown that there's been one letteróthere may be more now, and I look to the Deputy First
03:21Minister on thisóthere's been one letter submitted on 28 January, and the letter requests
03:27confirmation that the UK Government and HM Treasury have engaged directly with Welsh
03:32farming unions. That's what it's asking for. It's asking to make sure that the unions are
03:37engaged, which is commendable, but doesn't give a view. It doesn't give a view of what
03:40the Welsh Labour Government is. We'll go, then, forward to a meeting that the First
03:44Minister had with the Chancellor, the very Chancellor that's bringing forward this policy,
03:48who's avoiding having that meeting with NFU and other farming unions. What did the First
03:54Ministeródid she bring that up? In a written question, I asked her, did you bring that
03:57upóAPR changes and inheritance tax changesówhen you met with the Chancellor and the Secretary
04:02of State for Wales? Inheritance taxes, reserved tax, and decisions about the tax and associated
04:08reliefs are a matter for the UK Government. The Deputy First Minister continues to raise
04:13this with the UK Government. So, the First Minister, in meeting with the Chancellor,
04:18bringing forward this very policy, refuses to raise the impact that this would have on
04:22Welsh farmers. That is a dereliction of duty in the respect that she should afford all
04:27of Wales as being the First Minister of all of Wales. I don't think that's acceptable.
04:32So, what can we do? What can we do? We can't change it. Here, we know that. We've heard
04:35it throughout rule of affairs questions today. It's a reserved matter. It's to the UK Government
04:41for them to change their mind. Well, yes, but we can send a message as a Senedd. We
04:46can send a message. We are agreeing with Plaid Cymru here. It would be great if the Deputy
04:52First Minister would rescind the delete-all amendment that's been put forward, back a
04:57unified Senedd voice, and really send a message up the M4, because this partnership in power
05:03that we've all heard so much about isn't really working for farmers, is it?
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