🔴 LA ESTAFA WENANCE, LA MÁS GRANDE DE ARGENTINA: EL AUDIO DE MUSZAK EN EL QUE PIDE INVERSIONES

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👉 La estafa de Winans, liderada por Alejandro Musac, ha sido calificada como el fraude financiero más grande en la historia de Argentina, superando incluso a casos mediáticos como el de Enrique Blaksley. Con un entramado que involucra a famosos y conexiones internacionales, esta operación fraudulenta afectó a 15 mil personas y generó pérdidas por 300 millones de dólares. La justicia federal investiga el caso que también tiene ramificaciones en Uruguay y España. Mauricio Novelli, vinculado al escándalo cripto Libra, es otro nombre clave en esta red de engaños financieros.  👉 Seguí en #ArrancaLaTardeEnA24 📺 a24.com/vivo

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00:00This story appears to be very famous, linked to this other story that we are going to highlight, which is the Winans scam.

00:07The Winans scam, which has a point of contact with the Libra scam of the famous cryptocurrency promoted or disseminated by President Milley,

00:16because a name appears, which is Noveli's, surely you remember Noveli, one of the key financial partners in the Libra scam,

00:25but it seems that Noveli was scamming before Libra and continues to scam after Libra.

00:31The head of Winans, Alejandro Moussac, in this way, invited to invest with them, listen to him.

00:39An online credit company from Argentina, it was founded in 2014, purely online, and today it has 75,000 active customers,

00:48with more than 1,000 million of administrated portfolio.

00:51Hello, I am Alejandro Moussac, CEO and founder of Winans. On June 6, I'll be waiting for you in La Ruedal, on New January.

00:57I'm going to tell you everything I know about the credit boom.

00:59How would you describe what you do?

01:01Winans basically aims at the underbanked public.

01:05The underbanked public is the one who has a bank account and charges their income in cash.

01:10Hello, I am Alejandro Moussac, CEO and founder of Winans. On June 6, I'll be waiting for you in La Ruedal.

01:14There is the head, the visible face of Moussac, there is a lot to deepen around this story,

01:20and there is obviously a link that ends up putting the magnifying glass on a character

01:27that was known in the Libragate, which is Mauricio Novelli, Marina.

01:30Yes, the framework of societies that connects Winans with Mauricio Novelli, there we are seeing it.

01:37Moussac, the head of this alleged scam, or of this scam, let's put it that way, is in prison.

01:43That man you just heard talking is in prison and will have to give explanations in justice,

01:50not only in Spain, in Uruguay, but also in Argentina.

01:54Dr. Alejandro Liporache is on the floor with us, who is a lawyer who represents a pool of victims.

02:01Look at the number of victims of the Winans scam.

02:0515,000 victims, a fraud of 300 million dollars.

02:11300 million dollars that started before Libra and continues after Libra.

02:18This is what we want to warn.

02:20Dr. Liporache, thank you for being here.

02:22We understand that in addition to being a lawyer of the pool of denunciants, you are also damaged by this fraud.

02:27Exactly. First of all, thank you very much for the space.

02:30There are thousands of victims who are watching the program right now.

02:34And it is important to clarify that we are talking about the biggest scam in the Argentine Republic,

02:39in the entire history of the country.

02:41The biggest scam?

02:42Absolutely.

02:43That is, more than Cositorto, more than Rainbow Exchange, more than all.

02:47Even bigger than one that had a lot of media coverage, which is that of Enrique Blacksley.

02:52Yes, of course.

02:53That was called the Argentine Madoff.

02:56The Argentine Madoff.

02:58The clarification is excellent, because here we are talking about something that can begin,

03:03or we are beginning to see that it has replicated the mechanics that Madoff used in the United States to scam people.

03:10This is a financial scam, doctor.

03:12100%.

03:13100%.

03:14And here there were also famous people in the promotion.

03:16We understand that there were famous people.

03:18We still cannot reveal the names because I want to explain.

03:20With responsibility?

03:22Not at the moment.

03:24What we have to understand is that there is a multiplicity of causes in the field,

03:30in the commercial field, in the penal forum, and today the Federal Penal Justice,

03:35under the jurisdiction of Dr. Sandra Arroyo Salgado, the federal judge number one of San Isidro,

03:39is understanding in the cause, because from the ordinary criminal justice,

03:44they directly transferred the experience.

03:46But why did it go to the federal justice and not the ordinary?

03:48First, it was processed in the ordinary justice, and now it is being investigated in asset laundering.

03:52Ah, for laundering.

03:54For laundering.

03:55For asset laundering because the scam has a transnational character.

03:59It was executed in Argentina, Uruguay, Mexico and Spain.

04:04Moussac is in prison.

04:06Moussac is in prison.

04:07Who is this Moussac?

04:08Alejandro Moussac is a person who starts his financial business in San Isidro,

04:14in the northern area of the province of Buenos Aires.

04:17A person who even led his company to be in the Argentine Chamber of FinTech.

04:22The Argentine Chamber of FinTech realizes that this is an absolute mess.

04:25Clearly, he takes out the membership.

04:27And he is a person who has connected with many people,

04:32even international funds that have invested in his business,

04:36and has been linked to companies that are regulated by the National Commission of Values.

04:41In other words, the business that he structured with Fideicomisos,

04:44the fiduciary is regulated by the CNB.

04:46How was the scam, doctor?

04:47Of course, that.

04:48How was the operation?

04:49How were investors caught?

04:51Lawyers have the need to bring this down so that people understand it.

04:55Moussac's business was to lend money, micro-credits,

04:59to people who, for example, bought a cell phone and paid very high rates.

05:03Maybe in a cell phone of 100,000 pesos he paid a rate of 200%.

05:07Usury.

05:08Absolutely.

05:09With that loan, what he needed was to fund himself.

05:12Fund credit.

05:14For that he looked for investors.

05:15As he could not fund himself because it was a FinTech,

05:18and FinTechs are fined by the Central Bank of the Argentine Republic to fund themselves,

05:23he created a subsidiary framework through which he generated money.

05:27There he funded and could continue to lend.

05:30And the investor to whom he asked for that money,

05:32or the one who put that money that he used to fund the usury credits,

05:36how did he cope with that?

05:38What benefit did he offer?

05:40Well, the benefit was, first, high rates.

05:43In other words, if you lend at a high rate, you will clearly be able to pay your investors high rates.

05:47And when he says high rates?

05:48And high rates, several points above inflation.

05:51The big problem ...

05:52Or did he offer the 7, as Cositorto did?

05:55Maybe a little less, but in those numbers.

05:58The big problem is that we are always going to be talking about

06:01that there should have been variable rates and the income he paid was fixed.

06:06What is the link, sorry Horacio, with Novelli?

06:09I'm sorry, did Moussac also know the president or was there no political link here?

06:14We understand that there was no political link.

06:15And what is the link with Novelli?

06:16Novelli was an employee of Big Capital Investments,

06:19which was a company through which Moussac employed people.

06:22And only an employee, or is there also some kind of role?

06:25This is up to me, doctor.

06:27Was Novelli a disciple of Moussac?

06:30All those who at some point were part of the Wenans scheme,

06:33end up being disciples of Wenans.

06:35And all these characters are always surrounded,

06:38generally, by heavy people, depending on those who fulfill, right?

06:43Absolutely.

06:44It is a very good clarification.

06:46In fact, Moussac had problems with a bar of a club,

06:49of which I do not know and I do not want to go ahead,

06:51but some who have asked him in a rather violent way,

06:55the return of the money.

06:56What impacts me, going back to the link with Novelli,

06:59is that Novelli is one of the heads of the Libra crypto scam.

07:02And all this, all this research, all this that you come to tell us today,

07:07is prior.

07:08It already existed at the time of the Libra crypto scam.

07:12And I ask you, are they still operating today?

07:15Not all, some.

07:16Some are still operating.

07:18Justice ...

07:19Let's see, here is a reality,

07:21and it is something that I take advantage of the space to say it.

07:24Here is a determining role that the Ministry of Justice of the Nation has to occupy

07:28to replicate something that the United States did.

07:32And it is to focus on the restitution of funds

07:35and precisely avoid any type of business proliferation.

07:38In the United States, with the Madoff scam,

07:41a particular fund is created, administered by the DOJ,

07:44which is the US Department of Justice,

07:46which is a clear example that the thing works.

07:49They recovered 95% of the funds collected by Madoff.

07:52The funds are.

07:53Absolutely.

07:54Now, doctor, when is it considered a scam?

07:57Because until now, everything you explain,

07:59I mean, it gives the feeling as it is.

08:02Contracts between privates,

08:04interest payment promises,

08:07I mean, and in any case,

08:09in a private contract and an investment,

08:11you know it can go well,

08:13as well as it can go wrong.

08:15At what point is it considered a scam?

08:18The scam is configured when there is an ardor

08:20or some dissimulation of the truth

08:22to try to get the person into the business.

08:25Convince.

08:26Absolutely.

08:27Here people are convinced.

08:29And there is a difference between the business not working

08:32to co-opt funds in a fraudulent way.

08:35The scam is in the co-optation

08:37and in the indebted retention of the funds.

08:39And asset laundering is configured when,

08:42once one commits the crime or the crime,

08:45injects those funds into an autonomous business.

08:49And this is pyramidal,

08:50that is, funds were co-opted to pay

08:53the interests committed to those who had put it first.

08:56It would be something like Cositorto,

08:59to locate people and also a little

09:01answer Horacio Cositorto, 12 years.

09:04Exactly.

09:05First we are talking about a much larger volume of money.

09:08More than Cositorto.

09:09More.

09:10How many times more?

09:11And I would say that the scam of Cositorto

09:13is calculated more or less in 30 to 40 million dollars.

09:1530, yes, 10.

09:16We are talking about 300 million dollars

09:18and the transnational character gives it a much stronger figure.

09:22Dollar value or euro, right?

09:24Absolutely, dollar value.

09:25Now, answering your question,

09:28I think there is a reality

09:33and that is that asset laundering,

09:35if there is an intervention of justice

09:37and an action in conjunction with politics,

09:40can be followed.

09:41There clearly has to be international cooperation,

09:43but there is a way to follow.

09:44Doctor, was there money in politics here?

09:47We understand that yes.

09:49Is that identified or is it still in exploration?

09:53We have the data, I do not want to mention it,

09:56because it is subject to analysis by the federal justice,

10:00that a municipality that invested,

10:02we do not know if in compliance or not

10:04with the provisions of the Council of Liberals ...

10:06Excuse me, excuse me.

10:07A municipality invested and was the victim of the pyramid scam,

10:11which obviously they will never recognize,

10:13with which it is feasible that all the investment is so irregular.

10:17Or it was part of it.

10:19Or it was part of it.

10:20The information we have at the moment is that it invested

10:23and was able to withdraw part of the funds

10:25before the scam was consumed in July 2003.

10:28Inevitably, let's say ...

10:30You had privileged information.

10:32No, no.

10:33Excuse me.

10:34What madness are we talking about,

10:36that in a scam of these characteristics,

10:38politics appears involved?

10:40As it is.

10:41Well, does it need the shelter of politics, of power,

10:44let's say, to make this kind of scams?

10:46Or can it be done independently?

10:49I believe that at the moment

10:51in which one proliferates knowledge

10:54or the capture of investments,

10:56I think they need a bit of a political framework to be able to act.

10:59Now, I also think of the mayor

11:01or the one who puts the signature

11:03to put the municipality's debt,

11:05which is the debt of the building owners,

11:07of the neighbors,

11:08in a fraudulent scheme

11:10from the origin that pays you,

11:12interests that do not exist.

11:13And I also think

11:14if he was going to liquidate the usufruct from the neighbors.

11:17Clearly not.

11:18Someone is going to stay

11:19or someone already stayed with the difference.

11:21Exactly.

11:22And here reality

11:23It's a scandal.

11:24And we are revealing,

11:25as the federal justice begins to advance,

11:27Musa, who is in prison

11:29in the framework of the ordinary cause, for fraud.

11:31Musa, who is in prison in Dolores, right?

11:32Where? Dolores.

11:33Is the lieutenant a criminal, doctor?

11:35Don't laugh, we're ...

11:36No.

11:37Ah, ah, ah, ah.

11:38I can imagine.

11:39Uy, then he tells us in private.

11:41Well, thank you, doctor, for coming.

11:43We are very shocked

11:44because one of the responsible

11:46of the free fraud

11:48operated from before,

11:49is investigated from before

11:51and there are a lot of data.

11:53You can't reveal which municipality it is?

11:55No.

11:56No, because it is subject to criminal investigation.

11:58It's in the north.

11:59It's in the north, doctor.

12:00North of the province of Buenos Aires.

12:01Yes, of course.

12:03Ezequiel, can you reveal it?

12:05The doctor has to reveal it.

12:06No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

12:07But the doctor can, because he is ...

12:08No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

12:09Of course.

12:10When I have the papers, I'll tell you, but ...

12:11Perfect.

12:12That will be subject to the revelation of the cause.

12:13Perfect.

12:14Thank you, doctor, for coming.

12:15Please.

12:16Thank you very much.

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