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00:00I want every week to make a brief comment in which you help me to build a position that
00:14later we can explain in a way, I want us to work as a team and we are going to start
00:19doing that in Yayo Pinto today.
00:22Freedom of expression, since the world left feudalism, absolute monarchies,
00:28authoritarian systems, freedom of expression has been a landmark of life in freedom.
00:35We see it in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, we see it in the Constitutional
00:39Charter of the United Nations and in all the liberal court constitutions that we have
00:44seen in the last two hundred and so many years, that of the United States, the one that arises
00:49from the French Revolution, the one that arises from the revolution in England, the one that
00:54arises in the entire American continent after the freedom that was obtained from Spain
01:00or England or any of the European powers.
01:04I myself have exercised that freedom of expression throughout my career as a lawyer, as a political
01:08leader, which I spent most of the time in political opposition.
01:13Freedom of expression is essential so that people can criticize those who detain and
01:19ostentate power, whether public or private, whether ecclesiastical or of any kind.
01:24However, in the last ten years, the proliferation of platforms such as social networks, where
01:30anyone can speak without identifying themselves, because there are mechanisms through artificial
01:36intelligence, through using pseudonyms and also the famous bots, where you can say
01:41whatever you want, whoever you are, however you are, with few legal consequences, because
01:47a defamation lawsuit can take years and that does not erase the damage that has already been done on social networks.
01:53It has unleashed in the whole world, not only in the Dominican Republic, let's remember
01:57the political campaign that has just ended with Donald Trump and Kamala Harris, where
02:02one of the debates was freedom of expression, and Elon Musk, who is the owner of X, who
02:07used to be Twitter, said that freedom of expression had to be allowed in a radical way.
02:12And so there are other spokespersons.
02:14I believe that the entire world society, and we here in the Dominican Republic, have to
02:19think about the issue, because while it is true that we can do nothing that limits the
02:24freedom of citizens to say what they think and to criticize what they want to criticize,
02:30in the same way there must be some semblance of decency, some semblance of courtesy,
02:39that avoids the inhuman lows that sometimes occur.
02:43And I think that is a debate in which I want your opinion, where are we going, how can we regulate it.
02:50Every time regulation is discussed on this issue, many people come out wanting to say
02:55that freedom of expression cannot be affected, that we must be careful.
02:58We saw the experiences where Facebook, Instagram and other platforms sometimes eliminated content
03:04in an indiscriminate way, President Trump was a victim of that today, and these are things
03:09that we cannot repeat again.
03:11However, talking about the subject cannot scare us, studying the subject cannot scare us,
03:16because in some way we have to preserve the integrity of the human person who acts,
03:22whether as an artist, whether as a business director, whether as a religious leader,
03:27whether as a sports leader, or as any type of leadership.
03:31And I leave that to you as a task, and tell me how you think we can do it.
03:35In a few moments, with a great friend, a communicator who is really an example of integrity,
03:42of objectivity and of quality, our dear Miralba Ruiz, in a few moments we will talk about everything a little.
04:02Well, as I told you, we are with my great friend Miralba Ruiz, who, modestly aside,
04:08I think she is one of the references of Dominican communication, of good communication.
04:14Miralba, to begin with, since we are out of the air, how strange that I interview you.
04:18No, what happens is that after so many interviews, now I decided to interview you.
04:21Exactly, but it's very good, but I thought I was the one who was going to interview you.
04:25No, today it's my turn.
04:26But that's pending.
04:27Yes, of course.
04:28I mean, mine is pending.
04:29Whenever you want, but today it's my turn.
04:31Miralba, I want to start with you describing yourself, from La Vega to El Mundo,
04:36but how do you start in the media and why?
04:39I came to the media by accident, and in fact, I have said it on some occasions,
04:46I did not dream of working in the media.
04:49It was not for me something that was within my range of possibilities,
04:54because there is no one in my family who does this.
04:57There is absolutely no one.
04:58I am neither a daughter, nor a niece, nor a daughter-in-law, nothing.
05:01I mean, absolutely nothing.
05:02And it was something that just did not cross my mind.
05:05But an opportunity came, and I believe that we all have in life a stage of exploration,
05:12where things come to us, and in my case, my answer was always,
05:17why not? Let me try, let's see how it goes.
05:21And that's what happened with the media.
05:23I came to a casting with that attitude.
05:26Why not? Let me see.
05:28I stayed in the casting, and from there, my thought was...
05:33The casting was modeling, communication, ceremony...
05:36Modeling and communication.
05:37In fact, they were looking for a conductor for Telemicro,
05:41which at that time was still Circuito Independencia.
05:44A few months after I arrived, the change was made.
05:46So, it was to look for the substitute conductor
05:50of the one that came out of the option of the 12, Paradojas de la Vida,
05:53because then I never worked in that space, even within the channel.
05:57So, I came to the casting at the time I arrived,
06:01because I came from La Vega, out of place.
06:04It had already happened.
06:06But they still did a test for me, and the test was live.
06:10And I say that God always helps the innocent,
06:14because I was not aware or aware of what I was doing
06:18or what I was facing.
06:19I mean, I was not aware of what I was communicating.
06:22Look, Alba, you come out of La Vega,
06:25your family was a family that did not have
06:29big economic problems or anything like that.
06:31But they were not rich either.
06:32Okay, but they were not rich, but they were not...
06:37And then, a girl who comes from La Vega
06:40to work in the media in the capital,
06:42with all the stereotypes that that implies.
06:44One of the things I want you to explain to us,
06:47because I can give faith and testimony
06:49that you are one of the women in communication
06:51that has always overcome the stereotype of...
06:54Well, you work in communication because you are pretty,
06:56you work in communication because you are much more than that,
07:00although that too, but much more than that.
07:02Much more than that.
07:03How do you overcome that stereotype?
07:05And how do you convince your family
07:06that you come here to work in a TV channel,
07:08to work in a world of show,
07:10without the rules that exist today?
07:13Because at that time, the environment was much more permissive.
07:18I think today there are many more rules about that.
07:21Look, there was never an authorization.
07:24No?
07:25No.
07:26I mean, you were the boss.
07:27Yes, yes, that's right.
07:28I mean, my attitude was, why not?
07:30I mean, why?
07:31I go to Santo Domingo, I try, if I like it,
07:33well, let's see what happens, and if I don't like it,
07:35well, I go back to my house, to my town,
07:37to do what was understood that I had to do,
07:40which was to take care of my mom's business,
07:42because that's why I studied business administration.
07:44But for my dad, the frustrating thing was,
07:47how is it possible that I have paid you two university degrees
07:51and you leave me with that?
07:52I mean, how is it possible that after two university degrees,
07:55you want to work in the media?
07:57Can I say the word?
07:59Yes, of course.
08:00Yes, say it, say it.
08:01He told me, I don't want to see you there,
08:02because what's there is leather.
08:04Well, I told him the stereotypes.
08:07Of course.
08:08So, you said it in a flatter way,
08:10but it's true that that's a bad conception.
08:13Because you and I know a lot of women in the media,
08:16even the majority, to put it that way,
08:18of the ones I've met,
08:20they are very entrepreneurial women, very integral,
08:22and they do their lives like…
08:24they work in engineering or anything.
08:26Now, what is understood about communication,
08:28because they are always dressed in a flashy way,
08:30because they are always in a way…
08:32So, definitely, that stereotype,
08:34you had to fight with it.
08:35Of course.
08:36So, when my dad told me that,
08:38making use of that critical thinking
08:43that he insisted that I had,
08:45and my mom too,
08:46who was a public school teacher for many years,
08:49I answered him,
08:51if that's what you raised,
08:53you'll know if that's what's going to happen.
08:55Very well said.
08:56So, he, in the same way,
08:58wasn't satisfied,
08:59I've said it,
09:00but it lasted several months without talking to me.
09:02Oh, my mother.
09:03Several months without talking to me.
09:04I mean, I came to Santo…
09:05I came, I moved to Santo Domingo,
09:07to an aunt's house,
09:09even to give him more tranquility.
09:12It lasted three months without talking to me.
09:14I was going to Las Vegas on the weekends,
09:16and I came in through one door,
09:18and he came out through the other.
09:19Until a point came,
09:21my mom was more…
09:22It wasn't that she was very happy,
09:24but she let things flow,
09:28but my dad was strict.
09:30Until later, time passed,
09:32and I can tell you
09:33that I think he's my number one fan.
09:35But…
09:36But, because you see,
09:37and that transit of the girl who starts,
09:40who does that casting,
09:42when does she feel Miralba Ruiz?
09:43What is Miralba Ruiz?
09:44That you are already…
09:45I mean, that you arrived,
09:46that you are a communicator,
09:47that…
09:48When the rush of trying to get the opportunity,
09:51when do you feel that it is already established?
09:54I think that feeling comes
09:56when you realize
09:58that you have the freedom
10:01to decide what you want,
10:04how you want,
10:05and where you want.
10:07Let me explain.
10:08I think that at first
10:09you have to work on projects,
10:11formats,
10:12that are not necessarily
10:13what you dream of,
10:14what you want.
10:15You just need the opportunity
10:16to show what you can be.
10:18And although in my case
10:19I always had my limits quite clear,
10:23obviously,
10:24inside a TV station
10:25you have to do what they tell you to do.
10:27Although I must say
10:28that in Telemicro
10:29I had the flexibility to say,
10:31no, I don't like this,
10:32it doesn't look like me,
10:34no, I don't want to do it.
10:35But I think that you already feel
10:37the tranquility of the years
10:40when you can sit down
10:42with a TV channel,
10:44negotiate what you want,
10:46make the content you want,
10:48and the brands support you.
10:50I think that there you say,
10:51it's not that you rest,
10:53because then you already have the responsibility
10:56that there is a standard on you.
10:58And you can't lower
10:59or fail that standard.
11:01But it's easier
11:04in the sense that
11:06what you do
11:07is really what you want to do.
11:10Let me…
11:11And now,
11:12I think
11:13that you are perhaps
11:15one of the first influencers,
11:17one of the first communicators
11:19who uses social media
11:22in a commercial way
11:25and also in a way of awareness.
11:28I can even give the testimony
11:30that I have met many communicators
11:32through you,
11:33your friends
11:34that I have met through you.
11:36You have become
11:37like a kind of counselor
11:39of many of these new stars
11:42of the media.
11:44And I want to ask you this question.
11:45When does the communicator
11:47become an influencer and why?
11:49I think that the communicator
11:50becomes an influencer
11:51when the trends
11:53of the digital media come.
11:55Perhaps,
11:56as part of my academic training,
11:59it comes from the area of computer science,
12:01because I am an analyst
12:02and software programmer.
12:03Look, I don't know that.
12:04Yes.
12:05You look like a lot of things,
12:06but you don't look like a computer nerd, do you?
12:08I mean,
12:09of the things you look like…
12:10I wasn't in a stage of my life.
12:12Of the things you look like,
12:13you are not a nerd, no, no, no.
12:14I wasn't in a stage of my life.
12:15You excuse me, you understand?
12:16I mean, I didn't know that.
12:17But that was my first career.
12:19That was my first career.
12:20So, I come…
12:21The world of computer science,
12:22I have it very close.
12:23I like it a lot.
12:24So,
12:25when I got to the digital networks,
12:26for me it was like…
12:27It wasn't an obstacle,
12:28for me it was like
12:29wow, how good,
12:30how wonderful.
12:31Now we can communicate
12:32from here to there,
12:33from there to here.
12:34But I think
12:35I also realized
12:36at that moment
12:37that
12:38in that…
12:39In that niche
12:40there was business
12:41and a lot of opportunity
12:42for growth.
12:43Because it was the same
12:44as in the media.
12:45There was audience
12:46and if there was
12:47good content,
12:48behind it
12:49were the brands.
12:50I mean,
12:51I saw that
12:52from the beginning
12:53and I started
12:54working on my networks
12:55with that awareness.
12:56I think
12:57that's where
12:58the influence is born,
12:59when the company
13:00starts to grow
13:01because
13:02that's where
13:03the influence is born,
13:04when the communicator
13:05realizes that
13:06there's another way
13:07to communicate
13:08and another way
13:09to reach people
13:10in a more organic way,
13:11plain,
13:12direct,
13:13without intermediaries,
13:14with a closer access
13:15to all the good
13:16and all the bad.
13:17But I think
13:18at that moment
13:19I said
13:20yes,
13:21that's when I said
13:22there's something interesting here
13:23and that's where
13:24the influence is born.
13:25And one…
13:26I've seen,
13:27look,
13:28I want to ask you
13:29because
13:30you were in
13:31This Has No Name,
13:32which was the show
13:33they did with Cavada,
13:34they made a group
13:35and I remember
13:36that I went there
13:37many times.
13:38Already there,
13:39Miralo is
13:40in the political comments,
13:41in the social comments,
13:42in the comments,
13:43and then I've seen
13:44that you've had
13:45a social awareness
13:46in your communication.
13:47Well,
13:48I don't notice the margin,
13:49why do you leave
13:50that show?
13:51Look,
13:52I was
13:5311 years
13:54next to Roberto
13:55and I remember
13:56that
13:57I was
13:5811 years
13:59next to Roberto
14:00and I would
14:01be there
14:02all my life.
14:03Roberto is my brother,
14:04my partner,
14:05my friend.
14:06I love him madly
14:07but I felt
14:08that I needed
14:09to make a change
14:10of schedule,
14:11of platform,
14:12I mean,
14:13I felt
14:14that I was already…
14:15I'm a person
14:16of challenges,
14:17Yayo.
14:18I'm a person
14:19who needs
14:20to feel
14:21that even if it's
14:22little,
14:23a lot,
14:24I'm growing.
14:25And I felt
14:26that in
14:27This Has No Name
14:29I reached the top.
14:30It was to overcome.
14:31I mean,
14:32I already did.
14:33And…
14:34First I wanted to take
14:35a break
14:36because it was many years.
14:37Radio and daily television
14:39are very demanding.
14:40Although people don't think so,
14:42they're two hours on air
14:43but there are also
14:44some hours of prior preparation
14:46that are as important
14:47as the hours on air
14:48because otherwise you arrive
14:49without having
14:50any kind of foundation
14:51to attend
14:52or interview
14:53the people
14:54who go to the shows.
14:55So,
14:56first a break
14:57First, a break, and then it takes me time to decide where to go back or how to go back.
15:04And I was very struck by the idea of a morning meeting,
15:07because I feel that those are the hours where you feel the foundations of the agenda of every day.
15:14And so, if we are going to work on information, if we are going to work on opinion,
15:18those hours are very important.
15:19And I said, let me try.
15:21Let's try to see how I do here and how far I can grow in this new niche.
15:26You know that in that process, you got very close to social criticism.
15:33And those of us who follow you, we see that you are on Twitter, or on X,
15:36what is it called now?
15:37You are very active, very imposing, very opinionated.
15:44Yes.
15:45What role does politics play for you in communication?
15:50Do you ever see yourself taking sides in a determined way, here or there?
15:56And what do you think is your role as a social actor?
16:00I think we are all political entities.
16:03What happens is that people tend to think that the only thing that is politics
16:07is party politics.
16:09And it plays a fundamental role.
16:11Certainly, the parties are the structural basis of the democratic system.
16:15But I think that politics can also be done from citizenship.
16:20Politics can also be exercised from the media, looking for balance, looking for equilibrium.
16:25I think that everyone decides the role they want to play.
16:28In my case, I define myself, I like to be in the place of helping people
16:36to create citizenship.
16:37It is something that we lack so much, so much.
16:40And from citizenship, you have to have the ability to recognize
16:44what is right and what is wrong, regardless of the color of the acronyms.
16:49Because it is not true that no one has absolute truth.
16:51There are parties that have done very good things and very bad things.
16:53So the citizen has to learn to discern that and ask each party
16:58for the best possible performance, without the passion that politics brings.
17:03Because I think that sometimes that is where things get damaged.
17:07When we get to the point of fanaticism, when we apologize to the one that we like,
17:12what they are doing wrong, and we don't recognize the one that we don't like,
17:17what they are doing right.
17:18I know it is difficult, but I think that there have to be people like me.
17:24I have to tell you that you are one of the voices that many of us,
17:28the political actors, see with objectivity.
17:31Because we know that you think...
17:32I invent it. It is not easy.
17:34We know that you think, not always with reason.
17:37It is true.
17:37But yes, always with what your heart and mind believe is right.
17:41And in that same way, look, I made a comment right now
17:47about freedom of expression versus libertinism.
17:53And we are seeing things on social media, Emel Alba,
17:56where anyone says that I have three eyes, that you have five ears,
18:01that there is no... I mean, without any kind of...
18:05And on the one hand, those of us who have fought and defended freedom,
18:09and I spent my whole life in opposition,
18:12and I made a lot of use of freedom of expression,
18:14I don't want anything to limit it.
18:17But you were always very responsible.
18:19I tried not to go to personal things, to things...
18:23I think that doesn't make sense.
18:25Now, it is a reality in today's world,
18:28even in the elections in the United States, we saw it.
18:31What is your criterion for freedom of expression,
18:34and how could we regulate it to avoid all these things
18:37that you, who are in that world,
18:39and who also relate to all the influencers,
18:42what do you think about that?
18:44I think that all...
18:46Well, I say it publicly, but we share a space
18:48where, precisely this morning, I exposed my opinion.
18:52All rights have their limits.
18:55Even the sacred right to life has, as a counterweight,
18:58the right to legitimate defense.
19:01So, the right to freedom of expression has its limitations
19:04in the honor or in the good name of the other person.
19:09That doesn't mean that you don't stop saying
19:12what a politician, an entrepreneur,
19:14any public figure does wrong.
19:17But one thing is to assume it, to cover it up,
19:21and to say it, without a single proof,
19:24for you to support it.
19:27There, for me, my respects to the journalists,
19:30communicators who exercise it this way.
19:32But to do it because I believe, I think,
19:35that's not necessary support.
19:37In fact, I was talking these days
19:40that what you say in the privacy of your living room,
19:45of the terrace, of the gallery of your house,
19:47is perfect, because that's your environment.
19:50It protects you from that privacy.
19:52But that doesn't mean that what you say there,
19:54you have the right to say it on a phone, on a tablet,
19:58because it's not the privacy of your house.
20:00You're using a means of communication.
20:02And maybe that's where people are not clear.
20:05People think it's their phone, and I put my phone.
20:08No, no, that network is a means of communication,
20:11just like a newspaper, a television channel,
20:14a radio station.
20:15So, from the responsibility of a medium,
20:18you can't say what you want without any kind of stop.
20:23I mean, there has to be something called responsibility,
20:26which is the first thing that goes through your head.
20:28How do you tell your children?
20:30Think about what you're going to do.
20:32Think about what you're going to say.
20:34You know that we couldn't agree on that.
20:36It's a debate that we have to keep giving...
20:38We have to keep giving...
20:39I agree, because it's not censorship.
20:41No, no, no, we have to keep giving heads,
20:43because where we're going,
20:44we're even going to witness
20:46many unpleasant demonstrations.
20:48I even think there will be some tragedies,
20:50because where we're going, people don't...
20:54And we have to see how we reserve,
20:56how we protect freedom of expression
20:58without allowing everything to be worth it.
21:03One of the themes, Miralba, of this podcast
21:07is resilience,
21:09the ability to fall and get up,
21:12because I think that happens to all of us at some point.
21:14I would like Miralba to tell us an anecdote,
21:16a story about her career,
21:18where she was about to give up,
21:20and why she didn't give up.
21:22Uff, many times.
21:24But Ana, the one you remember the most,
21:26the one that touches you the most.
21:27Because I want to see...
21:28Maybe there's a girl watching us
21:30who says she wants to go to the media,
21:33and for some reason she hasn't been able to,
21:34for some reason she doesn't want to, she's afraid.
21:36How do you...
21:37Tell me about a failure you overcame,
21:39or a fall that you got up from.
21:41Look, I think that maybe one of the most difficult stages
21:44have been several.
21:46But maybe the first one, the one that shook me,
21:49and told me,
21:50Either you get your act together,
21:52or you leave this.
21:54It was at the moment I made the decision
21:56to leave Telemicro,
21:58which was my big house, my big school,
22:00my university on television.
22:02When I decided, eight years later,
22:04to be in there,
22:06to leave because I understood that I was at my limit,
22:09and my desire was to see how far I could go.
22:12I confess that there was a moment
22:14when I felt that my career was ending there.
22:17Because I didn't know anything else
22:19other than Telemicro,
22:21because I needed my colleagues,
22:23because I didn't know if later on,
22:25alone, individually,
22:27I was going to receive the support
22:29of the advertisers,
22:32of the audience.
22:33I had a lot of doubts.
22:35And I confess that there was a moment
22:37when I thought,
22:38well, the time has come
22:40to return to Vegas,
22:42and take care of my mom's business,
22:44as a business administrator.
22:47But I took the opportunity
22:49to try for a year.
22:51I said, if in a year,
22:53it doesn't turn out the way I think,
22:55well, nothing happens.
22:57I go back.
22:58I lived a beautiful eight-year experience.
23:00To my surprise,
23:02at the moment when the news came out,
23:05which was published by Inmaculada Cruz Hierro
23:08in El Listín Diario,
23:09that I was leaving Telemicro,
23:11that same day, at 10 in the morning,
23:14I had three job offers
23:16that I didn't expect,
23:18because my world was number five.
23:21So, at that moment,
23:23I cried a lot of gratitude,
23:27especially to God,
23:29and to the people who saw in me
23:32a potable figure beyond a channel.
23:34Because sometimes,
23:36you grow as a professional
23:38in a shadow,
23:40and you think that out of there,
23:42there's only rain.
23:44And the reality is that,
23:46although it wasn't an easy stage,
23:48it showed me, and I showed myself,
23:51that my name and my talent
23:53could go beyond a shadow.
23:56And that was, I would say,
23:58the first great moment when I said,
24:00I made it this far,
24:02but then life showed me
24:04that it wasn't like that.
24:06And that's very powerful.
24:09I think it all happened
24:11at that moment of going from Telemicro.
24:13And who are the influencers of Miralba?
24:17What do you mean?
24:18The people who influence me?
24:20Exactly.
24:21Who do you observe?
24:22Who do you read?
24:24Who catches your attention?
24:27I, look, as a writer,
24:31I really like the work of Yuval Noah Harari.
24:34Of course.
24:35I think it's brilliant.
24:37The one of Homo Sapiens.
24:39The one of Nexus,
24:40the one of 21 Lessons,
24:41the one of the 21st century.
24:42I think it's one of the most
24:44prolific, brilliant minds
24:46that we have today.
24:48I like to see a lot,
24:50at the media level,
24:52I like the connection,
24:53the empathy,
24:54the closeness
24:56that Oprah Winfrey projects
24:58with her audience.
24:59No matter how many years go by,
25:00what she does is magical.
25:02It's magical.
25:03Really.
25:04She has managed to make,
25:05even from her own tragedies,
25:07bridges of union with her followers.
25:10And you have to have…
25:11It's shocking.
25:12Yes, yes.
25:13I mean, it doesn't stop…
25:14You can see the luxury of being an enemy
25:15of a president, publicly.
25:17Right now, right?
25:18Yes, yes. Trump and her,
25:19they don't understand us anymore.
25:20Damn.
25:21But, for you to see how influential she is.
25:23That's the beauty of democracy.
25:24That's right.
25:25That's the beauty of democracy.
25:27But, and I would tell you,
25:29even if it seems paradoxical,
25:33I also observe,
25:35out of respect,
25:37the people I don't agree with.
25:39I see them.
25:40That happened to me too.
25:41I'm not one to attack them.
25:43I'm not one to attack them,
25:44because I observe them.
25:45I may not agree with them and tell you,
25:47but to attack you?
25:48No, because I think that
25:50I can even learn from them.
25:51Maybe they have another perspective
25:53of life that I don't see.
25:54Of course.
25:55They have another way of seeing
25:57the things that I don't have,
25:59and maybe I can learn.
26:00I mean, I don't see them…
26:02There are moments when I say,
26:04damn, he lost his hand.
26:06It may be that there is content
26:08that you don't like, etc.,
26:10but definitely,
26:11everything that has singularity
26:13has to be observed.
26:15Because singularity,
26:16or leadership,
26:17or penetration,
26:18doesn't run in the content.
26:20No, there's something there.
26:21So, the one who has it,
26:22one has to see what happened.
26:23What happened there.
26:24Even if one doesn't agree.
26:25That's how it is.
26:26And I could look at it,
26:27and see if one day,
26:28as a senator of La Vega,
26:29as a mayor,
26:30or in a ministry…
26:32You see me.
26:33I think so.
26:34You think so?
26:35I think so.
26:36You have all the tools.
26:37Look, the difference,
26:38I always say,
26:39that the difference
26:40between the world of the show
26:42and the world of politics
26:44is that in the world of the show,
26:48the consequences are more temporary.
26:51I mean, I think it goes up and down
26:53more in the world of the show
26:54than in the world of politics.
26:55In the world of politics,
26:56the falls can be more permanent.
26:58It's harder to recover
27:00in the world of politics
27:01from a great unpopularity,
27:03which is the world of the show.
27:05But in other areas,
27:06they are very similar,
27:07because you have to be…
27:08You have to be in favor of people.
27:10You can't have a media,
27:11a show,
27:12if people don't want to listen to you,
27:13if people don't think you're interesting.
27:16And that, to a certain extent,
27:17is a way for people to vote for you.
27:19And that's why you see
27:20that there are many trampolines.
27:22Many people jump from
27:23the world of the show.
27:24It's true.
27:25The first one is Donald Trump,
27:26who comes out of a TV show…
27:30Of course, The Apprentice.
27:31The Apprentice.
27:32He comes out of a TV show.
27:34But, I mean, he…
27:35Yes, yes.
27:36I don't know if the format
27:37was written for him,
27:38or he came and said,
27:39no, that format is him.
27:41And so, here in the Dominican Republic,
27:43we have a lot of people
27:44who have done that crossover.
27:47Could you do it?
27:48Look.
27:49What happens is that politics
27:50doesn't allow me to do things
27:51that the world of the media
27:53allows me to do.
27:55And it's being able to stand up
27:57at a specific moment and say,
27:58I don't want to do that.
27:59I'm not going to say that.
28:01Since the media has given me
28:02the opportunity,
28:03I mean, there are things
28:04that I could say, no, no.
28:05My limit is up to here.
28:07I don't do this.
28:08I don't publish this.
28:10And it's even happened to me
28:11with brands.
28:12There are brands
28:13that I've told them,
28:14I'm not the person
28:15for that message.
28:16Of course.
28:17It's not me.
28:18So, I think in politics
28:19that's more difficult.
28:21And those who do it
28:22are even penalized.
28:23Yes, yes.
28:24So, I think that freedom
28:26would give me a lot of work
28:28to give up on it.
28:30Because then,
28:31without that freedom,
28:32I wouldn't be the person I am.
28:34And people would feel cheated.
28:36Well, let's see if at some point
28:38we can convince you.
28:40Because the Dominican society
28:43needs a lot of look-alikes
28:45in front of the public
28:47in different ways.
28:48I know it's difficult.
28:49I suffer it in real life.
28:51I was going to say,
28:52for some reason you're saying it.
28:54I suffer it in real life,
28:55but like everything,
28:56those who are passionate about serving
28:58overcome obstacles.
29:00One thing that is also
29:01very unique and beautiful about you,
29:03I know your husband,
29:04I know your daughters,
29:06and you have a beautiful family.
29:09I wonder,
29:10how does a woman
29:12in the show,
29:14who has always been close,
29:16always linked to the show,
29:18how does she achieve that?
29:20How does she achieve that balance?
29:21Because I think another of the challenges
29:22that all of us
29:24in influential positions have
29:27is how to combine
29:30life with the children,
29:31with the partner,
29:32with, obviously,
29:34this effort that is so difficult
29:36and that is so full of temptations.
29:38I have always been clear
29:39that I wanted to have a family.
29:41And I think that one of the things
29:42that has helped
29:44our relationship to last
29:46is that he and I have been together
29:49before I got to the media.
29:51He knows me
29:53without, let's say,
29:55without what fame implies.
29:58He knows me from before.
30:00He has been with me
30:01throughout the whole process.
30:03And he has seen,
30:04and he has even been a participant
30:06in many moments
30:07of everything that has cost me.
30:08So, I think that is very important
30:11because he knows La Miralba
30:14that people don't see.
30:16And I feel that I have a great support in him.
30:19He is a great pillar of my tranquility.
30:22With my daughters, well, they...
30:25Are any of them interested in the show?
30:27I think the little one likes the media.
30:30She likes it.
30:31But I don't...
30:33You don't encourage her.
30:34No.
30:35No.
30:36I'm not going to forbid her either,
30:38but I'm not going to push her.
30:40I mean, I'm going to let her
30:41make her own decisions.
30:43And the day she decides it
30:45in a formal way,
30:46I'm going to be there to help her.
30:47But I'm not going to push her.
30:49No.
30:50And, for example,
30:51when you get involved
30:53in public debates,
30:55in public discussions, etc.,
30:57your daughters comment to you,
30:59they ask you, they get affected.
31:00When people insult you,
31:01when people insult you,
31:03how do you handle that?
31:04So that you can give me some advice?
31:06Because sometimes my daughters
31:07ask me,
31:08Daddy, why does he tell you this?
31:09What? What do I know?
31:10And you don't take it to heart,
31:12but when they take it to heart,
31:13it affects you more.
31:14Look, the little one is 12
31:16and I remember that about two years ago
31:18she heard us talk about something.
31:20I don't even remember the specific topic,
31:22but it was something on Twitter,
31:24on X,
31:25which is like the most incendiary network.
31:27It's the most dramatic.
31:28And that's what she told me.
31:30She told me,
31:31Oh my God,
31:32what a dramatic network.
31:34And we all took a pause and said,
31:37It's true!
31:38That's what's going on!
31:40It's a very dramatic network.
31:42The oldest, who is already 18,
31:44I have a lot of communication with her.
31:48From there to here,
31:49and from here to there.
31:50In fact, she knows
31:52when those debates take place,
31:54what they say,
31:56we talk about it,
31:57she and I.
31:58I ask her what she thinks,
32:00how she feels.
32:01But the most important thing is that my daughters
32:04know me.
32:05They know who I am.
32:06They have me there every day.
32:08And they know,
32:10if the things that can be said at a time
32:12are true or not.
32:14Because it's obvious.
32:16It's obvious.
32:17The one who lives around you,
32:18you can't hide things from him.
32:20No.
32:21And today,
32:22now there's a very fashionable word,
32:24which is bullying.
32:25Among young people,
32:26and it's already happening on social media.
32:28Yes, yes, yes.
32:29And you have to explain to those people
32:33how to handle bullying,
32:34how to deal with that.
32:36And one,
32:37we are the subject of bullying all the time.
32:40And you have to explain to them
32:44how not to listen to them.
32:46Look at the future of communication.
32:48How do you see it?
32:49Where do you think we are moving?
32:51More social media,
32:52less traditional media,
32:55artificial intelligence in all this.
32:58Have you thought about that?
32:59Yes.
33:00How do you think it threatens communication?
33:03I'm telling you because they put me
33:05an artificial intelligence yoyo
33:06talking the other day.
33:08It's a lie!
33:09And I said,
33:10How about it?
33:11And I said, wow,
33:12the guy is just like me,
33:13he speaks better than me,
33:14and he didn't get tired.
33:16And I said,
33:17wow, it's like a program.
33:19But what you have is missing,
33:21and no one will be able to replicate your essence.
33:24Well, that's hope.
33:25Look at it.
33:26It's like that.
33:27Look,
33:28I think that the media
33:29are moving towards
33:31a homogenization
33:34of the two structures,
33:36the traditional and the digital.
33:39One is the complement of the other.
33:42For me,
33:43I see very little strategic
33:46to the one who thinks they are competition.
33:49My recommendation,
33:50always my partner is,
33:51you have to be in both.
33:53Look for a way to be in both
33:55because both are important.
33:56Both reach a different public niche.
33:58Of course,
33:59traditional media have the particularity
34:02that they have more filters,
34:03they have more rigor,
34:04and that's where the figures
34:07and the news are ratified.
34:10While social media
34:11give you that immediacy,
34:12that speed,
34:13that interaction.
34:14So,
34:15why announce both?
34:16If you can put coexistence
34:18in a beneficial way for you,
34:20both.
34:21In fact,
34:22the other day,
34:23I told someone,
34:24no, because digital is the best,
34:25that's what's going to stay,
34:26that's not it.
34:27I said,
34:28yes,
34:29but no.
34:30Because,
34:31look,
34:32the biggest representative
34:34of the way of digital communication
34:38is in a traditional medium.
34:40And we're talking about my nephew,
34:42my son-in-law,
34:43Alofo,
34:44who is the best representation
34:46of the digital world.
34:47However,
34:48he has always been in a station.
34:50Of course.
34:51Of traditional radio.
34:52Always.
34:53And I'm sure that if one day
34:55a television channel appears,
34:57he also gets involved.
34:58Of course.
34:59I agree with you.
35:01As a person who sometimes
35:03emits communications,
35:04who wants them to be understood
35:06and to reach the whole world,
35:08if you stay in one of the worlds,
35:10you are incomplete.
35:11Exactly.
35:12I think you have to be in…
35:14and you'll have to see in the next few years.
35:17And about the next few years,
35:19what does Miralba have in the folder?
35:21What are you going to do now?
35:22Where are you going?
35:23I'm going back…
35:24I'm going to be a channel partner.
35:27Aha.
35:28Oh, yes.
35:29That's good.
35:30Yes.
35:31I'll be on Sundays on TeleSistema.
35:33Oh, that's great.
35:34Now we're on Sundays.
35:36You'll be on Sundays on TeleSistema.
35:38You'll come permanently.
35:39Exactly.
35:40I'll come permanently
35:41in the next few weeks.
35:44The first thing that's going to come out
35:46is the full season of the podcast
35:48Miralba Multitasking.
35:50And then,
35:51by the middle of 2026,
35:55God willing,
35:56another season format
35:58will also be published.
36:01And, of course,
36:02will be published on TV
36:04and radio.
36:05Yes.
36:06That's good.
36:07That's very good.
36:08Yes.
36:09Question,
36:10how much time
36:11do you usually spend on what you do?
36:16On the radio,
36:17you're on TV,
36:18you're on radio,
36:19so you can be that person in the space.
36:23Let's see if…
36:24Valentin lets me stay there
36:26Bueno, mira, ese es un modelo a seguir o una persona que yo pudiera querer aprender de él o de ella.
36:33Yo creo que las comunicadoras de nuestro país tenemos muchos referentes muy buenos.
36:40Si tú quieres hablar de comunicación en el área de entretenimiento que tenga esencia,
36:47que tenga sustancia, ahí está una Yadna Tavares.
36:51Está una Maricela Álvarez con un legado también de televisión educativa, formativa, con trascendencia.
37:00Está, lamentablemente ya no está, Tania Baez, una mujer con un don para tocar corazones como pocas personas en los medios.
37:10Esas son las que yo, una zoila, con una preparación impecable.
37:17Esas mujeres te demuestran que no importa el tiempo que tú tengas en los medios de comunicación,
37:22si lo que tú has sabido hacer tiene fundamento, le deja a la audiencia algo positivo,
37:29tú vas a estar hasta el día que tú quieras, porque ellas siguen ahí.
37:33Tania desde sus redes, formando, acercando personas con los programas que tiene dentro de las redes sociales, las charlas.
37:42Y las demás, Yadna, Maricela, Zoila, desde las radios, hacen una labor extraordinaria.
37:50No tienen que demostrarle nada a nadie, están ahí, son referentes, son maestras.
37:56Y yo pienso que así también hay muchas otras que sirven de ejemplo a las que vienen detrás.
38:03Yo siempre digo, las que vienen detrás, fíjense en lo bueno y vean por qué tienen tanta permanencia.
38:10Como tú decías ahorita, qué es lo que están haciendo, qué es lo que hay ahí, qué es lo que han hecho para estar tanto tiempo.
38:16No es casual, no es suerte.
38:18Hay cosas que han hecho que han logrado que esa permanencia sea constante
38:22y con una de las cualidades más importantes para un comunicador, que es el respeto.
38:27El comunicador no debe aspirar ni a la fama ni a la popularidad.
38:30Eso es una consecuencia, digamos, casi natural, pero el respeto es una cosa que se trabaja a conciencia.
38:38Y que no se compran en supermercados.
38:40Hay que trabajarlo, cultivarlo, cuidarlo.
38:44Así es.
38:45Miralo, si tú fueras a decir, ¿qué te preocupa de la sociedad dominicana a futuro?
38:49¿Qué tú crees que los líderes políticos deberíamos atender de manera prioritaria?
38:54La educación.
38:56La educación.
38:58Sin esperar ni un minuto más.
39:00Los grandes males de nuestro país, enumérame el que tú quieras,
39:04tiene como base la falta de educación.
39:07Y la verdad es que como sociedad debemos reconocer que tenemos unos años invirtiendo grandemente en la educación,
39:13lo que quizás no estamos invirtiendo correctamente.
39:16Eso es otra cosa.
39:17Pero sí, yo coincido contigo ahí.
39:19Y un consejo que tú le darías a una persona que se quiera aventurar a la vida que tú has llevado,
39:30¿cuál es el principal elemento que hay que tener para triunfar en el mundo de la comunicación?
39:37Yo pienso que, no te voy a dar uno, te voy a dar varios.
39:41No importa lo superficial que se vea un medio.
39:45Si no hay preparación, no hay garantías.
39:48Tú puedes llamar la atención de la gente por una razón o por otra,
39:52pero que la gente se quede cerca de ti requiere de preparación.
39:58Otra cosa que te diría es la disciplina.
40:00Este es un medio que, aunque no lo parezca, requiere de mucha disciplina.
40:05Y un tercer elemento sería tener tus límites bien claros.
40:12Porque si tú no tienes límites claros, eres como una veleta.
40:16Vienes y vas.
40:17No, el barco que no tiene rumbo, ningún viento les ayuda.
40:22¿Cuál es tu rumbo?
40:23Ningún viento les ayuda.
40:24¿Cuál es tu rumbo?
40:25Hay que tener claro un objetivo.
40:27Bueno, Miralba, muchísimas gracias por esta tan chula entrevista.
40:33No, pero claro que sí, eso lo haremos.
40:35Que con usted en acta.
40:36Pero cuando tú quieras, no hay ningún problema.
40:38Al revés, eso es lo normal.
40:40Lo raro es lo que estamos haciendo hoy.
40:42Pero tú sabes que te quiero mucho, que te admiro,
40:45y espero que los caminos de Dios nos junten.
40:48Tú en la comunicación y yo en la partecita mía.
40:51Gracias.
40:52Gracias.
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