00:00Of course the Ukrainians are going to be involved.
00:03There's no way that you can have any kind of solution without involving the Ukrainians.
00:07And there must not be a solution that doesn't involve the Ukrainians.
00:10What I would say about what's happening today, right here in Munich,
00:14is there's a little bit too much of the sort of headless chickenism from the Europeans
00:21about exactly what the Trump administration is saying it's going to do.
00:25And I have to say that, you know, if you look at what they're actually saying,
00:29they're continuing to back Ukraine.
00:31Trump said in the Oval Office at the White House he wants Putin to give back land that he's taken.
00:36Their vision for Ukraine, as Pete Hegseth said,
00:40that a U.S. Defense Secretary is for a sovereign, independent, prosperous Ukraine, right?
00:46Those are very good things.
00:48And they are continuing. A bubble.
00:50The United States is continuing to fund the Ukrainian effort.
00:56Now, people are worried about what Pete Hegseth and the President have said about NATO.
01:05And clearly, you can't have a sovereign country that isn't able to take decisions about its own future.
01:15If Ukraine is to be a sovereign country, as Pete Hegseth says it is, and he's quite right,
01:21then it cannot be constrained in that way.
01:24And at some stage down the line, it's part of the Ukrainian constitution, NATO.
01:29NATO is committed to getting Ukraine into the North Atlantic Alliance.
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