00:00A lot of these, I think can be explained ways. First year, lack of communication, things
00:19like that, but it sets the tone for them. They get into 2021. And I think a lot of people
00:24with the Cowboys felt like, all right, Mike, we, we did it your way. Some of these staff
00:28hires. Some of this is going to be our recommendation now, because this didn't work out the way
00:33it needed to. They, the, the Cowboys brass really pushes for Dan Quinn, not Mike McCarthy.
00:40That's a hire that Mike McCarthy, to be clear, gets along with Dan Quinn, likes Dan Quinn.
00:45Those are all true things. Doesn't dislike Dan Quinn at all. Dan Quinn was a figure that
00:52like when we talk about the Jason Witten thing here, Dan Quinn was a big figure hanging over
00:56Mike McCarthy shoulder for three years. That was not media narrative. That was a very real
01:00thing that Mike McCarthy, everyone McCarthy called the rich eyes and show. Yeah. But that
01:05was really bad by Jerry. Jerry was like acting like Dan Quinn could just take over the job.
01:10Yeah. And that was, that was senior bowl. I think the year after it was after his first
01:14year here where he said, yeah, Dan would be a great coach to the Dallas Cowboys, but that's
01:18something where the Cowboys said, look, your defensive coordinator, buddy hire that the
01:21Saints were apparently happy letting leave as their linebackers coach.
01:26That didn't work out. So you're, you're taking on Dan Quinn. I don't care if that's uncomfortable
01:30for you. We're trying to win games here and that's, what's going to happen. And so I think
01:34that that became a, not, I think, I know that became a tension issue that Mike expressed
01:39to people where he would say that he was hearing all that noise and that was distracting for
01:45him and that he didn't, he didn't like necessarily having somebody of Dan Quinn's prominence
01:49who could easily take over his job being oversold. I think that existed with Zimmer.
01:52I think when Zimmer got hired here, I don't know how much Mike loved that idea. Um, where
01:57that was not his call. No. And you can hear Zimmer in some of the interviews this off
02:02season. You know who Mike wanted? Um, no, I don't know. Did he go to DC? Yeah, no, I,
02:08I don't think that he, I think that there's somebody on staff. He probably could have
02:12all that. I don't know. I can't say with certainty who he would have wanted. Cause it sounds
02:15like him and Zim get along now. Yeah. And again, I don't think he has any personal issues
02:19with these guys. I think it's more just what they represent to his own job. Sure. Um, well
02:23that created, that created a tension point when coupled with my, with Kellen Moore, there's
02:28two of his coordinators now that essentially run both sides of the ball. He's a CEO just
02:32kind of supposed to oversee culture. And he's honestly, a lot of people feel like too distracted
02:38to oversee culture. He's too distracted by his assistant coaches to effectively oversee
02:42what's happening with the culture here. And he's, he's too hyper aware of what's being
02:47discussed. Um, he has people in his circle that will report back to him on what's being
02:52said in the media and what the speculation is and what those things that exist. Um, and
02:58that's, that's not a healthy place to be. Now you can make the argument as I'm sure
03:00a lot of people would. Well, that's the, the front office's fault for putting him in that
03:04unhealthy position. The regardless of that, he agreed to the terms of the deal, understanding
03:10that's what the offensive coordinator position was. And then the other stuff he was given
03:13autonomy over, he really didn't handle very well in terms of making those coaching hires.
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