00:00I see that the biggest justification, if you can call it that,
00:05for the judge to grant her custody of her grandparents
00:08is that she couldn't re-connect with them
00:12because the girl refused to leave.
00:15And this happened, as we saw in the images,
00:19that they wanted me to force her to leave that way.
00:22So, in the last evaluations
00:26that she had in the technical team of the court,
00:30she couldn't answer when she was asked if she wanted to see them or not.
00:35So, that re-connection file was totally stopped.
00:39When that file is stopped and she can't re-connect legally,
00:44what is dealt with is a process of custody,
00:48arguing the risk that the minor has
00:51and the damage to her psychophysical health
00:53that causes her not to see her paternal family,
00:57with whom she didn't want to relate.
00:59Excuse me for the ignorance, Fito isn't here to consult this,
01:02our lawyer, Fito Baquet, who is permanently...
01:05But, in any case, there was also a case of scheduling a visit,
01:10or visits agreed...
01:12She's going to have to make the visit,
01:14because she has the hearing on February 10th.
01:16The re-connection hearing is held by the mother herself, with her daughter.
01:20This is crazy.
01:23It's legal madness, based on basic rights.
01:27If the grandparents want to see the grandparents,
01:30in any family conflict, there is a schedule of visits.
01:35Of course.
01:36So, since she hasn't seen them,
01:39now the mother has to go to jail, let's say the truth.
01:42And in this way...
01:43I've been talking to people for several days,
01:47we take this into account,
01:48because this that is happening to Mariel,
01:51happens to other people.
01:52I have a grandmother,
01:53who, 18 months ago, her twins were taken out,
01:57and they have them in a home.
01:59And the grandmother of the kids says,
02:01I haven't been able to see my grandchildren for two Christmas.
02:04They have them in a home in the province of Buenos Aires.
02:07From several jobs that we have done in different homes,
02:10especially in one, in Moreno,
02:13a situation of an unknown reality begins to come to us,
02:17which is this question of taking away,
02:20taking away the children from the parents,
02:23mothers and parents.
02:25And in this case, with a complaint from the media,
02:28that later, of course, we have to see if it is true or not,
02:30this has to be investigated by justice.
02:31Now, in the meantime, what does not seem logical,
02:33is that they take a woman, their daughter.
02:37No, and beyond the background issue,
02:39which, as it is presented,
02:40presents many, at least striking, edges.
02:44Perhaps there are elements, I think,
02:47that maybe we are not overestimating,
02:50that we do not know.
02:51Now, whatever the background issue is,
02:54that will have to be determined by justice.
02:56What strikes me is that the procedure
02:58has been carried out in this way,
03:01having to put in front of everything,
03:04even the very interest of the adults
03:06who are in conflict,
03:08putting in front the interests of preserving the minor.
03:12It is not seen that they are preserving anyone,
03:14in this image.
03:15No, no, no, this is what strikes me,
03:17without taking sides.
03:18The advisor, Gabriela Carolina Goleff,
03:20advisor of children, girls and teenagers,
03:22from the province,
03:23had rejected this procedure
03:26that was given for the unanimous or unilateral decision
03:30of the judge.
03:32Let's say, there are, at least,
03:34professionals who said that this,
03:36what we are seeing up here,
03:38is a matter that will psychologically
03:40harm the minor for life.
03:42Not only this procedure was put to the advisor,
03:45but to the guard herself.
03:47The technical team also recommended
03:49that it was not convenient for the girl
03:52to make that sudden change of life,
03:55because if it is her reality,
03:57three years ago she does not have her biological father
03:59for what she did,
04:00and now she does not have her mother,
04:02her sister, her life.
04:04And in that procedure,
04:06only the last five minutes are shown,
04:09which were disastrous.
04:11We spent two hours trying to convince her
04:13to go with her grandparents.
04:15You did not deny that there was a contact, or did you?
04:18What I denied was that she should go to the physical place
04:21where the sexual attacks would have occurred.
04:24I invited her a long time ago,
04:26even in the last trial,
04:28which they start me for judicial disobedience,
04:31to go to the workplaces of the accused's parents.
04:37I invite the family again to come to my house,
04:40because her granddaughter, her niece,
04:43will be her family all her life.
04:45And shamelessly this procedure appears,
04:49which the truth is very disproportionate,
04:51and they warned the judge.
04:53Did it transcend the attempt of abuse
04:55by the grandfather?
04:57I can not confirm that.
04:59I understand that in Hessel's room
05:01they would have consulted the minor,
05:03and the minor came to cry, or shouted, or did not respond.
05:06But there is.
05:08Are there doubts about this, Germán?
05:10Is that where Bramana sent the attack?
05:12Where it is already.
05:14The doubt is about the participation
05:16that those grandparents had in what the son did.
05:19Of course, it is a cover-up,
05:21a complicity, let's say, to facilitate ...
05:23We are talking about ...
05:25I'm sorry, I can not believe,
05:27sometimes without being able to believe,
05:29sometimes these stories of abuse
05:31of the parents of their children,
05:33and less the complicity of the parents,
05:35that is, of the grandparents,
05:37with their son in abuse.
05:39It was temporarily closed,
05:41because the girl in that room, Hessel,
05:43told him that he did not want to talk about it,
05:45he did not say that it did not exist.
05:47How long ago did you find out about this?
05:49About the situation she was living?
05:51We found out when she counts
05:53in August 2021.
05:55How old were you at that time?
05:57Three and a half years.
05:59Three and a half years and you start counting?
06:01Before I had indicators
06:03that at that time I could not see
06:05that they were of this type
06:07of aberrant facts.
06:09There are very, very, very hard details
06:11in the file, very punctual
06:13and very hard,
06:15how the procedure was.
06:17I can not even think of telling you.
06:19And with all that is in that file
06:21this happens that we are seeing?
06:23But on top of that,
06:25there reinforces the hypothesis
06:27that the defense tells me,
06:29the attempt to psychologically
06:31embezzle the mother,
06:33the cost payment, which is worth
06:35a million and a half pesos,
06:37she has to do it too.
06:39Why?
06:41Of this operation.
06:43Of the operation?
06:45Of the sentence, let's say,
06:47of relinquishment or custody.
06:49But one thing is the sentence
06:51there is no relinquishment,
06:53there is custody and judicial custody
06:55on behalf of the grandparents
06:57and she will also have to pay
06:59the costs of all the lawyers
07:01of this procedure.
07:03There is an intention to affect
07:05psychologically.
07:07It would be interesting to talk
07:09to this judge, if we could
07:11in the program, but at least
07:13for the arguments that should
07:15surely be in a document.
07:17But it would be interesting
07:19I would like to know
07:21what these arguments are,
07:23especially with what you tell
07:25that there is in this file.
07:27Maniel, how is your night going to be?
07:29And my night is going to be,
07:31it's not going to be good,
07:33but it's going to be
07:35waiting for the Christmas miracle.
07:37I have a family,
07:39I have another daughter
07:41who asks to see her sister
07:43because here they not only
07:45violated a girl, but two.
07:47The opinion of neither of them
07:49was respected
07:51and they are the ones
07:53who are being harmed because
07:55today your sister has no contact
07:57with absolutely anyone
07:59from her maternal family
08:01because they do not answer the bell,
08:03they do not answer the messages
08:05and the judge indirectly
08:07by prohibiting me
08:09the approach to my daughter
08:11through any means
08:13or any person.
08:15This is the first time I hear
08:17there are situations where
08:19children are in custody,
08:21they are at home,
08:23they are prohibited for psychiatric reasons,
08:25addiction issues,
08:27many types of situations.
08:29Notice that there are mothers
08:31who committed a crime
08:33and are given the domiciliary
08:35to continue in contact with their children
08:37and here we are talking about a mother
08:39to whom they take away the right
08:41to be with her daughter
08:43and I have to say to the paternal judges
08:45that one thing is, of course,
08:47a visitation regime
08:49and I understand that you are willing
08:51and another thing is
08:53to take away the mother.
08:55I would like to hear
08:57from the judges at the moment
08:59what are these arguments
09:01that for us are incomprehensible.
09:03Thank you Mariel.
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