00:00They are hurting me, they are hurting me, they are hurting me.
00:16The mother who screams, they are hurting me. And those who force, those who take it out, are the paternal grandparents.
00:21Of course, with the endorsement of Judge Claudia Feldman, a teenager judge and the number one family of resistance.
00:27And with the contrariety of the minor's advisory.
00:31She did not endorse the minor's advisory.
00:34This is not legally appropriate.
00:37In addition, notice that the security forces are trying to intervene, just touching a child.
00:43And the remarkable thing is that there is not a single minor's lawyer.
00:47And that the minor's advisor should have been there to safeguard not only the physical and psychological integrity, but that this does not happen.
00:57But you can't appeal to the violence of hurting a little boy.
01:00No, and there is a law...
01:02Look at the mother in the video.
01:04It's a cautious moment.
01:06They approved the court hearing in the province, that's what they told me.
01:09But a hearing is authorized, German.
01:11But well, they did it overnight, this resolution of the judge.
01:14And it gives the judicial guard that the grandparents requested.
01:18More exclusive images of the situation at the moment.
01:21His name is Monica Vesconi and Miguel Frugoni.
01:24They are people who apparently would have some power in the province of Chaco.
01:30And the judge has a record of having acted in a similar way in several cases.
01:35Granting them custody or, let's say, the shared custody of parents with complaints of sexual abuse.
01:42No, yes, let's see, it already came with antecedents.
01:44It's very complex.
01:45But they are also pointing to the mother.
01:47Because I understand that the justice ordered him to do a therapeutic treatment.
01:51To address the family bond with his daughter.
01:53Look, here's the exit, listen.
01:57That's the grandfather who takes the girl.
01:59It's crazy.
02:01This is not...
02:02Well, you see that they are powerful people.
02:04They are powerful people.
02:09Miguel Frugoni, Zavala and Monica Vesconi.
02:12They took forward all the treaties of childhood, the Lucio law.
02:16All the laws of protection of minors.
02:19Forward.
02:20Resistance seems to have a parallel justice.
02:24The situation is prior to the entry of the public force.
02:27It's terrible.
02:28Look at what they do to him, look at what they do to him, shamelessly.
02:32Look at what they do to him, look at what they do to him, shamelessly.
02:36They don't want him.
02:37They don't want him here.
02:38He's here with us.
02:39He's going to be a family.
02:41It's been a long time since we saw...
02:44A barbarity, yes.
02:45Exactly.
02:46The barbarity.
02:47To get him out of the...
02:49The mother has the patria potestad.
02:51To take away the tenancy of a mother who exercises the patria potestad,
02:55you have to have causes of abuse.
02:57Excuse me, can this be considered as a kidnapping?
02:59This is another abuse.
03:01This is another abuse, but ordered and orchestrated by the justice.
03:04The Resistence Lawyer's College said that there is an abusive execution of the commandment
03:08and of the procedure that is insensitive and lacking in perspective.
03:12The Lawyer's College, which is one of the representative organizations
03:17of all the letters of the province,
03:19obviously there is already a lot of commotion regarding the decision of this judge,
03:23because the judicial process of the alleged abuse of the minor by the father was not expected.
03:28They don't link him with the father, but they link him with the grandfathers.
03:32Grandfathers who say they could have facilitated the abuses,
03:37or for the time being, they could have acted in some way...
03:40Tremendous, tremendous.
03:41...attenuating the consequences of that, in a process that opened...
03:44Let me finish this, Guille.
03:46It opened and closed because the minor in jail, Gessel,
03:49when they asked him about the role of the grandfathers,
03:51he cried and screamed.
03:52So it is not possible to determine what is the role of these people
03:55that the Judicial Guard of the child has today.
03:59Let's repeat that fact.
04:01When the girl in jail, Gessel, was mentioned,
04:04these who are taking her from her mother's arms...
04:06These grandfathers.
04:07...the reaction of the little girl was to cry.
04:09To cry.
04:10Suffering.
04:11Sure. I'll put it in perspective.
04:12In 2018, the mother files a complaint for violence to the father of the child.
04:17Gender violence?
04:18Gender violence, proven.
04:19There was even a sentence, I have details of how it was,
04:22he dragged her with the car.
04:24In 2021, the girl begins to show signs of alleged abuse.
04:28Also with details that I am not going to tell you
04:30so as not to victimize the minor.
04:31They are aberrant.
04:33The mother does not file the complaint out of fear of the father.
04:36The father is a powerful man, you said?
04:38The father's family.
04:40He goes to the hospital.
04:41In the hospital they tell him,
04:42we can't do any kind of crime if you don't file the previous complaint.
04:45The complaint is made by a relative of the mother.
04:48And that's where the judicial defeat begins.
04:52It was obviously proven in Gesell Chamber that there were very clear signs of abuse.
04:57The details we have are aberrant.
05:00But the judicial process towards the father for the abuse of the minor
05:04will be only next year.
05:06Do you know why they are going to do it next year?
05:10Because they are going to change his face.
05:12They are going to offer him.
05:13To return.
05:14Listen, listen.
05:15Sorry, sorry, sorry.
05:16Forgive me, I'm too brave.
05:17What they tell me is that the judge, in some way,
05:20wants to get the mother out of custody
05:22so that the grandparents, in some way,
05:25instigate, or brainwash her,
05:28or work psychologically on the minor.
05:30Obviously, this is what they say.
05:33They run with time.
05:34Because I understand that the judge set up a next hearing for February 10
05:38to start talking about the relationship with the mother.
05:40And from here, on February 10, anything can happen.
05:42Even if the girl is not in the country.
05:44And as a day of prohibition too.
05:46Pay attention to this.
05:47Prohibition of approaching the mother to the minor.
05:50That's why they don't talk about a relationship with the paternal family.
05:56It's not just the relationship, let's say.
05:58The complete custody is in the paternal family.
06:00The mother cannot approach the daughter until February 10.
06:03It is to violate her.
06:04Because from there, from this place,
06:07they took her directly to the paternal grandparents' house.
06:10But do you know what is more terrible?
06:12First, we are going against a law, against a more important role,
06:16which is the paternal family.
06:18The paternal family has the mother and was not deprived of the paternal family.
06:23In resistance, the paternal family has no value.
06:27Because, evidently, it drags it.
06:29To take away the paternal family from a progenitor,
06:32you have to have committed such serious crimes
06:35that you put the life of the minor at risk.
06:38But it requires the same severity
06:40to be able to take away the tenancy or the custody of a progenitor,
06:44more when the other is suspected and indicated of a crime.
06:48I don't know if the Hessel Chamber was done before or after,
06:51but after what happened,
06:53no child remains the same with his trauma after what happened.
06:58I think, and now we are going to go to Cecilia with that
07:00so that she can tell us about the place.
07:02It's in Chaco, but it seems to me that there are some provinces
07:04where there are still many people linked to power
07:08who still feel patron of stay
07:12and who believe that they can be above the law.
07:14Then they go, they act and do what they are told.
07:17It's true, but it's regrettable.
07:18And I'll tell you one thing, the neighbors say
07:21that when the girl enters the home of the paternal grandparents,
07:24they heard the cries of imploration of the girl to return to her mother.
07:29Imagine that the police take out a minor from you.
07:33No, no.
07:34You broke his head.
07:36You broke his head.
07:37Cecilia with that, how are you for so long?
07:40We meet again with another case so, so, so sad.
07:43What news is there? What information?
07:47Yes, this is Guillermo.
07:48A very good day to the whole team.
07:49The truth is that a very sad news.
07:51Yesterday, as you saw on Avenida Italia,
07:54by a judicial order,
07:56the paternal grandparents of the girl Cielo entered.
08:00This is how she is called to preserve her identity.
08:03They entered the mother's house and took the girl by force.
08:07We are at the moment in Casa de Gobierno
08:10because there is a great call from the neighbors of Resistencia
08:14who are present to ask the girl to return to her mother.
08:18And well, in this case we meet with Diego Sassari,
08:21who is a spokesman for the family and belongs to the Vínculos Sanos Foundation.
08:25Currently, he can speak because, obviously,
08:28the maternal family has a legal bond.
08:31Now, the girl's mother is in Casa de Gobierno
08:34talking to some authorities
08:36and it is expected that there will be some effective resolution
08:39for the girl to return to her mother today.
08:42Diego is already listening.
08:44Well, hello.
08:45Diego, well, thank you for attending.
08:47Let's see, the greatest good is to protect the girl Cielo here.
08:51And this, obviously, is not happening.
08:54Where is she now? What is known about this little girl?
08:58In the house of the grandparents.
09:00In the house of the paternal grandparents.
09:03I'll tell you something.
09:06It is to send the chicken to the fox.
09:10The henchman to the fox.
09:12The parents were denounced at the time.
09:16The justice dismissed the complaint, obviously,
09:19for having been accomplices of the rape,
09:22of the alleged rape, let's agree, right?
09:24Because the justice is still in the process of proving this.
09:28The truth is that yesterday a totally out of place procedure was experienced.
09:35The girl Cielo was raped again after three years
09:39because the justice raped her yesterday.
09:42She violated all the rights of the child.
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