00:00Hello, Marcos, this is Kim's dad. We're listening.
00:06What did they create? A 7-year-old girl? How can she defend herself? What can she do?
00:12In those 15 blocks, she would have asked for help, she would have screamed or something.
00:15They would have reported it and they didn't care about anything.
00:17The girl was screaming, the girl was screaming.
00:19Everything they saw, they heard it.
00:22Florencia left immediately after, in a car taken by the neighbor, to look for them, to hunt them.
00:28Something like that, something like that.
00:30The family of one of the criminals, 17 years old, apologized, apologized for Marcos' death.
00:36I want to know what you need, what my children need from you.
00:42Are you going to take those apologies?
00:45The truth is that I'm going to take them, I'm going to take them, dad.
00:48I'm going to take them.
00:49Each one is responsible for his actions.
00:51But I want to know why he's not here, why he's not coming here.
00:58Did he communicate with you?
00:59No, he didn't communicate with me.
01:00I would like that if my son, at some point in his life, makes a mistake,
01:05I, as a father, will go out and answer for my son.
01:08And I would like the same.
01:09He turned him in.
01:11I would like the same.
01:12As much as they are minors, do you want the hardest punishment for them?
01:16Let's be honest.
01:18Are you all parents?
01:20Are most of us parents?
01:22Put a second aside for me.
01:25I'm destroyed, man.
01:27I had the perfect daughter.
01:30The daughter with the person who always took her from me.
01:35I dreamed of that daughter.
01:37She was my daughter, mine.
01:40They destroyed us, man.
01:42These kids didn't care.
01:44We understood that at some point, after they ran away, they were like nothing.
01:50Then you realize what kind of people they are.
01:52How are they not going to deserve the worst?
01:54What information do you have about what they did after killing your daughter?
01:56They were like nothing.
01:57They were like nothing when they were caught.
01:59They were like nothing.
02:00And what could you tell them?
02:04The truth is that I would like them to suffer.
02:08To suffer a little.
02:09A little of what I'm suffering.
02:12Nothing.
02:14I wish.
02:15I wish.
02:17All the people who were with me.
02:19My friends.
02:21The police.
02:23The girls.
02:24All of them.
02:25The minister.
02:26All of those who were here.
02:27They were all excellent.
02:28The truth is that the people, the Forensics.
02:29They all behaved very well.
02:30I hope the same for the prosecutor who deals with the case.
02:35I was wondering what Kim was like.
02:37Because you remember her as the perfect daughter.
02:39And I would like to know how that girl was.
02:42Imagine.
02:43Seven years.
02:44Innocent.
02:45Super organized.
02:46Full of friends.
02:48She did activities.
02:50We took her there.
02:52To the gym.
02:55Because she liked it.
02:56For the area.
02:57To grow up with a different environment.
02:58To sleep.
03:03They destroyed us.
03:05They destroyed us.
03:07Many times, Marcos.
03:08In the family scene.
03:09They talk about insecurity.
03:11How would you react to an episode of this nature?
03:14Did you talk about something like that?
03:16Obviously not with this outcome.
03:18Or this that could happen.
03:20No.
03:21The truth is not.
03:22The truth is not.
03:23Clearly, if it had been me.
03:26I don't know how it would have been.
03:27But.
03:30Maybe they would have killed us all.
03:31I have no idea.
03:32Marcos.
03:33One of the 17-year-old defendants.
03:34They had also arrested him.
03:36Or they had delayed him.
03:37For a car theft.
03:39At the beginning of the month.
03:40They released him.
03:41What do you think?
03:42I don't understand those things.
03:43I don't understand those things.
03:46Why does it have to be like this?
03:48When are we going to change the laws?
03:50The things, man.
03:52Because you know what happens?
03:54Today that happened.
03:55Tomorrow it will happen again.
03:56It will happen again.
03:57And it will happen again.
03:59It seems to me.
04:00Totally.
04:01Are you afraid they will release him?
04:03No, the truth is not.
04:04The truth is that I'm not afraid.
04:06Nothing.
04:07Zero.
04:08I'm not even a little afraid.
04:09This supposedly because they are minors.
04:12Hopefully.
04:13If we have at some point a little justice.
04:16That they pay everything they have to pay.
04:18Forever, right?
04:19Do you think it will be justice?
04:20Because this pain that I am going to have.
04:23It will be forever.
04:24You are the only daughter, right?
04:26I have two children.
04:27Do you have two children?
04:28One of heart.
04:29His name is Ciro.
04:31And Kim, who is the youngest.
04:33And Florencia is a mother.
04:36How is she?
04:37Was she with you?
04:38She is bad, Florencia.
04:39She is bad.
04:40She is destroyed.
04:42She is with the family.
04:43They are holding her.
04:44Nothing.
04:46I'm just going to ask you that.
04:48I give myself here at this moment for you.
04:50But stay there.
04:52Stay there.
04:53Thanks for being the same.
04:54You talk to us because you are a respectful person.
04:56But also because you have something to say.
04:58What is there to say?
04:59What is it that you want?
05:00What message do you want to get to someone?
05:02I don't know if to these people, to the government, to someone.
05:04To reach the eyes of the crowd.
05:07To the ears.
05:10I would like justice to be done.
05:12That they pay.
05:13Nothing more than that.
05:14I'm going to be fine with that.
05:16And I would like the family of these people.
05:18The family.
05:19To be present.
05:20To be in the face.
05:21To have the balls that I am having right now.
05:22Do you expect them to come?
05:23I want them to come.
05:24Obviously I'm going to receive it.
05:25Obviously I'm going to receive it.
05:26And I want them with me.
05:27And I want them with me.
05:28To make it clear.
05:29How is everything going to be?
05:30Who else is going to be there?
05:31Is there going to be a prosecution?
05:32Is there not?
05:42There are things that this father can't even answer.
05:47He talks to the media to also decompress the logical interest of the press.
05:52But, let's see, of all this that he said, let's go over it now in a while.
05:58Let's see, one thinks, what admiration that father.
06:01What interest.
06:02You can't even imagine what you could say in that place.
06:05The sun is coming out of the cemetery.
06:07I mean, to put a little in perspective of what we are talking about.
06:11We are in the area of the cemetery.
06:15It is the farewell.
06:17The farewell, the context of all this, it is very difficult to stand up and speak in front of a camera.
06:25And this man has, from what one hears, a decision.
06:30To make sure that the people who did this never leave prison again.
06:35And that eventually, what all the families of minors are asking for,
06:40the laws are reformed, that there is a change in justice, because we always collide with the same reality.
06:45That they pay for what they did.
06:48There we see Marcos, who is being embraced and contained by his environment.
06:52Let's see, some things to say about what we just heard.
06:56It refers, in two or three opportunities, to the family of the criminals.
07:01As a father speaks to that father.
07:04Take charge, put your face for what your son did.
07:08Come talk to me, apologize.
07:10I would apologize for being that father and for my son doing something like that.
07:14Let's be very clear with this.
07:18Today we had the opportunity to speak with a relative of T.
07:24Tobias, the oldest, the 17-year-old.
07:27Sorry, the youngest, but the oldest of the two.
07:30What you are going to hear from this brother-in-law is very strong.
07:33Because he is talking about his own relative, but he is talking as a father.
07:38And he puts himself in the place of the victim.
07:40And he says, it's very strong, but listen.
08:11If you want information, the police will give it to you.
08:15And here, you don't have to bother us, because we don't want anything.
08:19What do you ask for this boy?
08:21What do we ask?
08:23Death penalty, we ask.
08:25Ask for the death penalty for the 14-year-old boy.
08:28For both.
08:30Exactly, ma'am.
08:32Strong, because you are a relative.
08:34What do you think?
08:36You have a 5-year-old niece.
08:38Can you imagine?
08:40She thought of that creature.
08:42I swear I get goosebumps.
08:44Everything you are telling me is impressive.
08:46She thought of that creature.
08:48A 5-year-old niece.
08:50With what she did.
08:52Without need.
08:54The father gave her everything.
08:56She never lacked anything.
08:58Never.
09:00And that's how she paid the father.
09:02Was the father the one who gave her?
09:04The father was the one who gave her.
09:05Tremendous.
09:07And the boy went to school?
09:09What did he do in his life?
09:11He worked when he felt like it.
09:13And what did he do?
09:15He helped the father.
09:17What does the father do?
09:19The father runs a hardware store.
09:21And the other boy?
09:23The one who was with him?
09:25I have no idea.
09:27He used to go to meetings, strange things, drugs.
09:30Can you imagine what they did?
09:32They didn't go the right way.
09:33They didn't go the right way.
09:35What we are listening to is an audio from an interview
09:38that our colleague Mercedes Ninsi did for Radio Mitre.
09:42A shocking note.
09:44Why?
09:46Because one would expect this testimony from Kim's family.
09:49From the father, who didn't talk about the death penalty.
09:52He said never to come out again.
09:54But here we are listening to the family of the criminals.
09:56We are going to talk and analyze among all
09:59the subject of who the criminals are.
10:01But we meet again with a problem.
10:03What is it?
10:05Minors who commit crimes.
10:07Once, twice, three times.
10:09Justice releases them once, twice, three times.
10:12And it is always death that stops them.
10:15Their own death or the death they cause.
10:18But the result is always death.
10:20The laws we have are not in line with the reality we are living.
10:25And this is what this person conveys.
10:28I am not saying that there is a death penalty.
10:29What I am saying is, look how far we are in the legal order
10:33of what the family of a criminal says.
10:36And it breaks a paradigm for you.
10:38Because the truth is that it is a family that empathizes with justice.
10:42Because everyone says, no, well, look, imagine the father who must have.
10:46Not a father, a worker.
10:48He works in a hardware store.
10:50And a brother-in-law who has a five-year-old daughter.
10:52Almost the age of the little girl who was dragged 15 blocks.
10:55And instead of saying, well, no, justify it, he says no.
10:57Let's see, I think that little girl could have been my daughter.
11:01Death penalty.
11:03That is, in a good family, with a father who gave him everything,
11:06this brother-in-law said in the note with Ninsi,
11:08the boy still did a similar barbarity.
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